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Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« on: June 04, 2006, 09:23:13 pm »

Idea: be a mole in a job, the purpose of which is harassing ciizens. Example: I saw a job posting in the local paper for a seasonal intern:

"The City of ______ is seeking a full-time seasonal weed/grass violations intern June thru Sept. Responsibilities include property inspections/re-inspections, verification of property owners, preparation of violation citations & maintenance of violations log."

So, what someone were to take the job with the intention of not doing it? Or, if the busybody at 123 Main St. complains about the tall grass at 133 Oak St., put 123 Main St. on the citation as the violater. Or maybe you never find any violations because "the grass doesn't look high to me."

Yes, you'd get fired eventually, but you could throw a small monkeywrench into their system.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2006, 02:11:02 pm »

Go easy on the easy folks, go brutal on the politicians, judges, lawyers, and LEOs.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2006, 10:54:19 am »

Go easy on the easy folks, go brutal on the politicians, judges, lawyers, and LEOs.

Hmmmmm. I guess this has been wandering around in the far recesses of my mind for a while. scarmig's post brought out the key ingredient, for me. There are 2 things that piss me off about this type of use of a monopoly on the intiation of force. First is the people who think they have the right to tell others what to do with their property. Second, by a very tiny margin, are the "neighbors" who would rather call the authorities than talk with a person about the situation. The "authority" says he cannot tell you who filed the complaint.  If I were to take on such a position as a mole, I would tell who filed the complaint. And I would also do as scarmig says above.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 02:55:39 pm »

I lived in a neighborhood that did not have CC&R's it was interesting.  The house on the corner belonged to Mrs Owens, she was 70 and a sure source of a dollar or two when you needed it, her lawn always needed mowing. She also made awesome cookies, well worth sitting thru a story. When us kids had no economic incentive, one of her 2 neighbors would take care of it (it seemed about 2 feet was the limit).  Then there was the engineering students house 4 doors up from us.  You could tell the status of their current project by what was in the front yard. New pallets of lumber or steel stock at the start, and neat scraps and left over boxes of nails later on. They had no problem letting us have scraps to build treehouses or club houses, just ask first.  One of their projects started with 2 pickups and a rusted out mustang. They started on friday night by yanking 2 engines. ! came out of a pick up and was replaced by the mustang engine.  The next day 1 guy did "Clyde" duty on the mustang, making neat piles of the undented body panels, and using a torch (oxy/acetylene) chopped the rest of it into chunks in another stack.  He didn't pay any attention to the fact the plastic on the dash burned either aside from asking me to refill the bucket of water he used to put it out.  The other 2 put the mustang engine in the "good" pick up.  About this time the police turned up, asking questions. apparently someone saw the dash fire, which was out.  It was just a check up sort of thing, I was asked where home was I told them "the orange house over there" which satisfyed them, and the students answers were also ok, so the police left.  The next task seemed to be a "Mustang" fate for the other pickup, an old dodge.  They pulled the seats and gastank from the cab, and undid a bunch of other bolts, then looked around- no more light.  I went home and got chewed out for missing lunch (heck watching how real cars were put toghether was interesting, food could wait) mom had seen me watching the students, and since one of them had helped with the blown down pine last winter ......  The next day I watched them cut the bed of the back of the truck and weld a couple of the mustang chassis rails to the raw ends of truck chasis rails on the bed to form a triangle.  they then attached a new trailer hitch to this with an attached jack.  Another guy poked at some wires with a tester and figured out which wire was for which tail light and extened the wires out to a plug by the trailer hitch. one guy started loading good parts into the back of the pick up, and they attached the trailer to the good pick up which Ted now had running. (he was the mechanic and owned the chainsaw-the pine tree, remember) they checked the new trailer out as far as turn signals and stuff, and told me good bye, since they were heading out to the dump and junk yard.  No, I couldn't go along, my mom wouldn't let them do that. I went home upset, I wanted to see what a junkyard looked like.

The point about all of this is a good neighborhood does not take CC&R's.  It just takes knowing your neighbors.  during that weekend I learned how to take an old pickup and make a trailer out of it, I also learned that if you do it right it is cheap, and better than a new one.  Body panels are valuable if you can find a junk dealer or bodyshop that needs them, and scrap can be used to make other useful things.  I was 6 years old, fascination is a good teacher.

I also meet Officers Jones and Wilbaugh. Willbaugh bought the Orange house from us when we moved south after mom finished her retraining after dad died.  The town size was about 35,000 people, I learned that on monday at school, the next day.

CAN YOU IMAGINE what would happen today in a similar situation?!  I would have been hauled off as a deserted child, the 3 student would have been arrested for polluting ands creating a fire hazard.  Willbaugh would not have gotten our house, because mom would refuse the offer because....... among other things.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2006, 03:19:31 pm »

Rarick,

Thanks for the story. Reminds me of some pleasant memories of my own childhood, and makes me
a little sad for the present crop of new adults.

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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2006, 02:46:46 am »

Rarick,

Thanks for the story. Reminds me of some pleasant memories of my own childhood, and makes me
a little sad for the present crop of new adults.

Bear


same kind of good memories about my own childhood but my sadness about the newest generation of adults goes way beyond 'a little'.

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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2006, 02:25:54 pm »

That also kind of covers the definitions of a gulch as I see it as well.  A bunch of responsible free individuals functioning with each other for a good quality of life. 

The government and other folks have created to many rules to remain flexible, and have actually forced people apart.  In Cali, try chatting to a neighbor........  Most of them really want nothing to do with anybody but their family and friends formed thru work, church, or "growing up"  The problem is this is a case of similar interests, which forms a group think.  This place has it, but is willing to let it lay in the interest of learning something, which makes the major difference.

I do not require anyone to live like me or think like me. I will respect their different point of view enough to discuss it with them. I will not force my point of view on them, nor will I accept their point of view be forced on me.  Simple concept but it seems to sum up the root of a lot of problems in the way things work.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2006, 11:32:39 pm »

Go easy on the easy folks, go brutal on the politicians, judges, lawyers, and LEOs.

I can't agree with this one.

It is the compliance and acquiescence of the "easy folks" that make a Big Brother government run.  I make no excuses for those individuals who work in that situation; these "little people" have a moral obligation to understand the type of work for which they were contracted to perform, the Nuremburg trials adequately remind us of that.  Also, I cannot plead, in a court of law, ignorance of a law as an excuse, what gives these "easy folks" the right to do so while enforcing these onerous laws?

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need," requires implicit or explicit approval of every citizen, from the teller at the local liquor store who is required to police your identity to the politician in power, to the local 7-11 store owner or employee: everyone.

I say to each & every idiot who sides against Liberty: forget you! Unequivocally.

Edit: Changed last line to something more befitting =)
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2006, 11:31:34 am »

Moleman is amazed that there is actually a gov job with the title full time seasonal weed/grass violations intern.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2006, 02:28:50 pm »

Funny this came up. I've been meaning to post along these lines, just haven't gotten to it.
September 1st, I started a new job as city code enforcement officer. I really struggled with the decision, but ultimately decided the opportunity for good outweighed the bad I would be required to do. The pay is decent, I'm close to home, and if I don't do it, somebody a lot less lenient will be put in my place.
When I come into contact with people, I encourage them to talk to their neighbors and work it out amongst themselves, rather than come to me. I show people ways around the existing regs. I am working to change the municipal codes. It is a slow process, but I believe I can have many of the more offensive rules changed by this time next year. I have a great deal of leeway in my job. Sometimes things just get lost. Many times I can stretch out notifications and such to the point that the problem goes away of its own accord.
The nice thing is, the people who did this job before me were tremendously incompetent(not moles, just incompetent statists), so my deliberate slowdown and non enforcement actually looks like fine work to the boss. I can continue this indefinitely. I'm seeing a change in the attitudes already. Minarchism is infecting City Hall, and City Council. If I can keep this up, I'll have us all out of a job in ten years or so!  :laugh:
Perhaps some of you will see me as betraying my principles. I see it as the most effective tactic I have at my disposal. My taking this job is resulting in a net gain of freedom for the citizens of my city.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2006, 03:39:55 pm »

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Perhaps some of you will see me as betraying my principles. I see it as the most effective tactic I have at my disposal. My taking this job is resulting in a net gain of freedom for the citizens of my city.

I don't see it as a betrayal to your principles at all.  I think it's great and hopefully you will be able to help get some of the stupid shit running rampant out there in codes changed to make it a little bit easier for people.  Also, showing them that there is another way may get them to thinking.  Planting a seed now will hopefully grow in at least one person....hopefully many more.

I don't remember who it was who said this when I first come online at TCF, but there are places for everyone - agitators, ghosts, and moles.  We have to do what is best for us and figure out what role is best for us and our families.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2006, 06:44:26 pm »

If we abandone all gov jobs, police, military etc. they will just be done by someone who either doesn't care or will abuse his power.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2006, 10:01:46 am »

I think it would be more productive, to be less productive.  In other words, do everything you can to not pay taxes, and fuel the machine.

I think this tactic will get you more bad individual records, then it will actually help the cause.

I have sworn off working for people who require me to sacrifice my privacy rights for employment, and I live in Ohio.  Ohio has a program called the "drug free workplace" program, which gives "kickbacks" to companies who comply with their wishes to institute a random drug testing program, and the kickbacks come directly from Ohio Workers Compensation.  It creats an unfair market, and simultaneously punishes those who don't comply, and rewards those who do comply with "requests" from the State.


Now, before anyone goes off on me about "maybe you shouldn't use drugs at work", let me clarify my position.

I have no problem taking any drug test that can test whether or not I am under the influence, at the time of the test, on work time which they pay me for.  That is not how these tests work though, since they check to see if any drug is present above a "set level" in your system ,regardless of when or where consumed.  If they pay me for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, they may have a right to do this.  They don't pay like that however, and they have no right to remove my privacy from my home time through testing measures that don't discern whether a person is "under the influence" while on the job.


I would say, take a more individual challenge, like vowing not to pay taxes, vowing to participate in local politics, or vowing to never again witness an injustice WITHOUT stepping in.

Thats my two cents anyway.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2006, 09:20:39 pm »

I'm in the job market... kinda hungry... but haven't been hungry enough to sign up for random drug testing.  It's one of those lines I just can't bring myself to cross.. cuz I'm not hungry enough yet.

I was trained in supervision and management by Hewlett Packard when they were the golden company of management theory. We learned to reward BEHAVIOR, not what caused you to do certain things, but what you did!  Who is management to care why you are the best, worst or whatever?  All management has a right to is your demonstrated performance.  Reward the good, don't reward the mediocre, fire the bad. Of course affirmative action trashed all that.  Even H-P had to give up their good stuff to comply.

Do I use drugs. Yep.  I drink wine (alcohol).  I drink coffee (caffein).  Use echinacea when I'm fighting something off.  Once every month or so I might take a decongestant.  Do I fear I'll fail a drug test?  No.  Does that matter?  No.   (until I'm hungrier).

Have regular drug users, even heavy drug users been productive?  Heck yes... famous even.  It's a whole dumbing-down thing as if some blood test could equalize everything.  HUMANS ARE NOT EQUAL!  Dang, I'm getting fired up.  Quitting time.
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Re: Mole job with local gov - opportunity for monkeywrenching?
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2006, 09:45:07 am »

I have only worked for one company that required random drug tests (plus one at hiring) I was "randomly selected" the second month I was there as well. Of course I "passed" since caffeine and nicotine aren't on the list yet.
   What really torqued me about it though was that I was working on straight commision, in a field where it is difficult to make 1 hour in 1 hour without being dishonest to begin with (auto mechanics have a pretty raw deal when they don't have their own shop), and I was required to take about an hour out of my day without compensation (since I wasn't turning hours while traveling and pissing etc.) to meet the requirement.
   The powers that be don't care about that however, In the future, at a bare minimum I will insist on compensation for all "war on drugs" related activities. It quite simply isn't my concern, and I refuse to be penalized because some people don't have anything better to do than stick their nose where it doesn't belong.
   I would of course support 100% any effort to put an end to these ridiculous invasions of privacy.
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