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ZooT_aLLures

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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #135 on: April 22, 2010, 04:27:54 pm »

no Mama...........not caffeine.............but instead seeing someone drop over from a stroke, when fighting about money............

Well..............I didn't see it, and I don't "know" that they were fighting at that particular moment...........but they're always fighting, and it's always about money..............while they feed the kids kids so the kids can buy that new xbox or whatever else comes down the pipe......

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Even some cowboy and indian outlaws in the 1800's eventually stopped sleeping under buffalo skins, and came to town to entertain paying customers. For some I imagine the bruising of their ego never healed.

We all have some scar tissue that never lets us completely forget the intent of the adventure.

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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #136 on: April 22, 2010, 04:48:11 pm »

..but they're always fighting, and it's always about money..............while they feed the kids kids so the kids can buy that new xbox or whatever else comes down the pipe......

I was just kidding, ZooT. But not ALL families are like the one you are describing. Not ALL children are like the ones you are seeing. Each one must determine for themselves if they are trying to polish a turd, or a diamond in the rough - or maybe just a chunk of wood that might be useful somewhere besides the fire, if it only has a little help. One size does not fit all. :)
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #137 on: April 22, 2010, 05:52:23 pm »

Yeah.............one size does not fit all...........yet in the distant past, the feet of women in the orient were bound thus that they not grow beyond the size of the bindings............and if there's only one size feet............then one size fits all...........

It's "cold hearted", but sometimes I think, the only way to win that game is to never start playing it......

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Even some cowboy and indian outlaws in the 1800's eventually stopped sleeping under buffalo skins, and came to town to entertain paying customers. For some I imagine the bruising of their ego never healed.

We all have some scar tissue that never lets us completely forget the intent of the adventure.

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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #138 on: April 22, 2010, 06:33:40 pm »

went on a field trip today with 2nd graders , and could tell who eat this am. and who doesnt eat well.
the diffrence is huge so is the IQ, so im fealing a little diffrent right now . i had 5 kids droped off on me 2 years ago
and didnt ask for help but it cost me just about everthing to get them well and feed up just to have the state come and take them from me . herd from 1 of them and am glade there safe and away from there mother.
the other side of that coin is the kids pay the price if we dont.
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #139 on: April 22, 2010, 07:09:47 pm »

So stupid people who don't care enough to feed their own children are pooting out stupid kids?

Well I guess you've made my point even if that wasn't your intention...........

Now imagine four generations of stupid people pooting out stupid kids.............Oh wait............you don't have to imagine it, it's reality........

So let's make more stupid laws to protect the stupid people from their own folly............
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Even some cowboy and indian outlaws in the 1800's eventually stopped sleeping under buffalo skins, and came to town to entertain paying customers. For some I imagine the bruising of their ego never healed.

We all have some scar tissue that never lets us completely forget the intent of the adventure.

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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #140 on: April 23, 2010, 03:25:55 am »

..but they're always fighting, and it's always about money..............while they feed the kids kids so the kids can buy that new xbox or whatever else comes down the pipe......

I was just kidding, ZooT. But not ALL families are like the one you are describing. Not ALL children are like the ones you are seeing. Each one must determine for themselves if they are trying to polish a turd, or a diamond in the rough - or maybe just a chunk of wood that might be useful somewhere besides the fire, if it only has a little help. One size does not fit all. :)

Good analogy.  If you think about extending it it goes down all sorts of twisting paths doesn't it?
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #141 on: April 23, 2010, 06:42:39 am »

ZooT, sweeping generalities like that don't help anything. And, knowing you, starving children would not die in your front yard while you watched uncaring. Get real. And I've known many intelligent and good people who were born to stupid, dysfunctional and even quite evil families.

It is a serious problem, but each person and situation should be measured and dealt with on its own merits.

 
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #142 on: April 23, 2010, 09:04:55 am »

OK,

Deep breath....

I just talked to my sister (who has 3 children) about food storage for emergencies.  Lets just say that it didn't go well.  I was very nice and calm, I told her our government and the red cross recommend emergency food.  And she told me that I am really paranoid for having food supplies, and even thinking about it!  She said that just thinking about it means that I am a very unhappy person!

I then asked her if she thinks that natural disasters never happen in America.  She said yes she knows they can, but she can't control them so she's not going to worry or prepare for it!  At that point I didn't hear so well because my head had just exploded! :BangHead:

I then tried to tell her that I am not unhappy with life or paranoid I just don't ever want my kids to go hungry.  The conversation ended with her re-stating that she doesn't have room in her 3000 sq ft house to store food, that she knows it's a good idea but she's just not going to worry about it.

She is also someone who pays attention to what goes on in the economy, she has admitted that printing money like toilet paper is not good.  She goes to tea party rallies and knows our taxes are going up.  When I asked her about that she said that she can't control the dollars fall so she just wont "worry" about it.  Meaning prepare for hard times.

AAARHHHHGGGG!
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #143 on: April 23, 2010, 10:23:10 am »

Good grief Faydra6...  Were you arguing with more than one person at a time?  Sounds like plenty of inconsistencies and contradictions.  Perhaps we need an emoticon with an exploding head!
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #144 on: April 23, 2010, 10:28:08 am »

Contradictions on my part or hers?  And no I was just talking to one person, my sister.  But you know how sisters can be.  Plus she is older than me, so you have that whole issue! :rolleyes:
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #145 on: April 23, 2010, 01:03:34 pm »

ZooT, sweeping generalities like that don't help anything. And, knowing you, starving children would not die in your front yard while you watched uncaring. Get real. And I've known many intelligent and good people who were born to stupid, dysfunctional and even quite evil families.

It is a serious problem, but each person and situation should be measured and dealt with on its own merits.

ML I don't think zoot is talking in that sweeping of a generality, Mendel's Laws of heredity include intelligence, physical talents, creativity, and adaptiveness in a 9:3:3:1 ratio based on sexual reproduction and recessive vs. dominant genetics. Because we don't typically inbreed in the US that ratio stays constant as new genetics from other sources is introduced (never returning to the original 3:1). So AT BEST we have 5 out of 22 genetically that can "break out" of the norm, a norm that is dropping with each generation.
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Socially, intelligent people don't associate sexually as often with those with lessor mental abilities as the lessor types will associate sexually with each other. Because of this there is a general trend in genetics for lower and lower mental abilities, this is aggravated by state education MSM encouragement to "abandon" the "arrogance and evil" of the Intelligentsia (the worship of ignorance - also encouraged by religion) and we have a spiraling trend into the gutter. I don't think that this is by accident because "smart" slaves are difficult and the lower the mental abilities the easier to settle into statism and slavery.

I want to, and do by default deal with all people as individuals, but I am not going to follow the propaganda and not look at the "dangerous facts" that the above is not only true but can be proven. Statism is simply a version of predatory domination and it is self perpetuating, no predator wants to give up his or her easy flock of sheep.

We are being "farmed" and no one is paying attention.
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #146 on: April 23, 2010, 01:32:17 pm »

Socially, intelligent people don't associate sexually as often with those with lessor mental abilities as the lessor types will associate sexually with each other. Because of this there is a general trend in genetics for lower and lower mental abilities, this is aggravated by state education MSM encouragement to "abandon" the "arrogance and evil" of the Intelligentsia (the worship of ignorance - also encouraged by religion) and we have a spiraling trend into the gutter. I don't think that this is by accident because "smart" slaves are difficult and the lower the mental abilities the easier to settle into statism and slavery.

Unless she's hawt. 
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #147 on: April 23, 2010, 01:37:55 pm »

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We are being "farmed" and no one is paying attention.

Don't include me in your "we."

I've worked with people from all walks of life, in cities, country and in between. I've been doing so for more than 50 years. There are all kinds of people, with every variable in intelligence and morals/motives. Nobody deserves to be stereotyped like this so they can be automatically discounted and ignored. Remember that one of the worst ploys of evil leaders throughout history was to get the people to consider certain members of their society subhuman so they could be ignored or, worse, killed. This is what I'm hearing here. Somehow, anyone who doesn't fit a certain criteria for intelligence, philosophy (or whatever) is somehow disposable, their lives don't matter and their children are automatically some kind of lesser beings.

And I don't care if it is our benevolent government or so-called libertarians who are doing it now. :(  Forgive me if I'm not reading you right... but that's what I hear you saying. We're all human, but some are less human than others.

Yes, I'm afraid that millions of people will die - especially because they have been duped and dumbed down. Many of them will make the choice to kill others because they are desperate and unprepared. And I will defend myself against those if I must, even to lethal force.

But I will continue to know that they are human beings, with the same God given rights as mine. And I will mourn their death as I will that of any other human.
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #148 on: April 23, 2010, 03:12:50 pm »

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We are being "farmed" and no one is paying attention.

Don't include me in your "we."

No, (you may be missing the point) and yes at the same time, because as much as we may want to be "free" we are all currently subjects of the government and if they want to find you and help you "die free" they will - they have the monopoly on force and their compatriots run the MSM (cousins in power)...

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I've worked with people from all walks of life, in cities, country and in between. I've been doing so for more than 50 years. There are all kinds of people, with every variable in intelligence and morals/motives. Nobody deserves to be stereotyped like this so they can be automatically discounted and ignored. Remember that one of the worst ploys of evil leaders throughout history was to get the people to consider certain members of their society subhuman so they could be ignored or, worse, killed.

And I don't care if it is our benevolent government or so-called libertarians who are doing it now. :(  Forgive me if I'm not reading you right... but that's what I hear you saying. We're all human, but some are less human than others.

I figured this would happen, and yes you are following this in the wrong way, and forgive me for saying this but in a reactionary way I would expect (the hidden power of political correctness). It is the reason I referred to this as "dangerous thinking" there are certain aspects of propaganda that are particularly popular such as this idea that equal freedom equals equality.

We are all free, and for me that is where it ends, we all have the same rights to NOT be manipulated and defend ourselves, choose our mates (regardless of orientation), and choose our life path. But NONE of that makes one human "equal" to another that is pure religious fantasy.

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Yes, I'm afraid that millions of people will die - especially because they have been duped and dumbed down. Many of them will make the choice to kill others because they are desperate and unprepared. And I will defend myself against those if I must, even to lethal force.

But I will continue to know that they are human beings, with the same God given rights as mine. And I will mourn their death as I will that of any other human.

I would agree, while I think the rights are ours that we give ourselves, we are not immune to the "law of nature" - I support the idea of equal freedom, and in the end that equal freedom is extremely dangerous, statism wants stupid slaves, they are clearly encouraging voluntary breeding of new slaves and are trying to make the environment as save for the slaves as possible by removing the real dangers of freedom - that is farming - and we are all in the fence at the moment, no matter if we deny it or not.

That this attitude is dangerous I will not deny, as in "Animal Farm" that "some animals are more equal than others" is dangerous is clear. Our problem is that to take for example a talented craftsman is "equal" to a drug addicted thuggish moron is JUST as DANGEROUS. To fuel this fantasy we have religion, the MSM, and then the "farmers" active socialist programs like welfare to keep many safe and fed. This all goes back to Rand's theories as put out by her novels like "Atlas Shrugged" (I am not an objectivist and I dislike Rand BTW).

Freedom is dangerous, that alone will expose any human the the winnowing effects of the laws of nature, remove free food and everyone has to depend on their own abilities and talents and also remove the artificial promotion of the worship of ignorance by religion, MSM, and forced government "farming" and the species improves on it's own. The least is the most is BS as far as I am concerned.

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This is what I'm hearing here. Somehow, anyone who doesn't fit a certain criteria for intelligence, philosophy (or whatever) is somehow disposable, their lives don't matter and their children are automatically some kind of lesser beings.

Yes and No, don't think that I am some heartless individual, personally I am not, but I do have a low tolerance for parasitical and predatory behavior. Don't think I am some ivory tower insulated elite that grew up rich and spoiled. I do travel world wide helping people, that is my work, and I have seen some poverty that the US just does not have and I have helped people in areas like that - I know and I even have heart stings that can be pulled, regardless of my politics. I am a firm believer in "teach a man to fish" and I have been lucky enough to do that and get paid for it, my responsibility end if the individual cannot learn the lesson, or choses not to use it.

I also have to look at the reality of the situation, if more talented and able offspring is to be supported, the theft by the state currently form the "more able" to support the "less able" is counter to nature and is destructive. Does that make me look at some as "lessor beings", not necessarily, I reserve most of my contempt for the parasites and the predators, but to be told that I should feel some guilt for the children of a meth addicted single mom because they are hungry - sorry I'm not going to voluntarily put my children at risk for that irresponsibility.

Currently the "farmers" KNOW the "lessor" are easy slaves and ACTIVELY use them as "disposable", this is supported by their actions. What is more evil "farming" slaves or letting everyone expose themselves to the dangers of freedom and teaching the young the responsibility of choosing wisely in a mate and in life?
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Re: Scaring the straights
« Reply #149 on: April 23, 2010, 03:37:09 pm »

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Our problem is that to take for example a talented craftsman is "equal" to a drug addicted thuggish moron

I guess it depends on your definition of equal. They are "equal" in absolutely nothing but the fact that they are human and have the same human rights. A newborn infant has exactly the same human rights as any other human. The fact that he or she can't yet exercise those rights does not negate them.

Now, you have every right to believe otherwise as much as you wish, of course.

And nobody, from the richest and most influential to the most depraved crack head has any "right" to impose anything on anyone else. That's the whole point! That's what makes all humans equal!! :)  And that only means that we must treat them as such... INCLUDING pulling the trigger if they attack us - in whatever form that comes.

Yes, freedom is dangerous. Life is full of incredible risk. And there is no way to avoid it if we hope to live free.

I choose to live free, considering each other human as an individual (and imperfect) human being and not as automatically part of some group - whether I like them or not.
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