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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2004, 10:35:15 pm »

Sorry, Junker.

I couldn't decrypt it.  No error messages or anything.  Just the same garbled code after decrypting.
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2004, 07:46:36 am »

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Just the same garbled code after decrypting.

Double secret encryption  :D  
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2004, 08:12:41 pm »

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Double secret encryption

  :huh:  Oooooooo!  Wow.  
Now that's security!  
"Encryption so complex and so secure, even the person the message is intended for
won't be able to break it!"
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2004, 01:32:39 am »

I love it--a real live example of the problems in encryption. And now the harder part--tracking down the cause of the problem.

Where are the experts?

It seems Nedda's pgp should not even allow decryption if the software does not recognise the key signature and correlate it to the private key for decryption. That would seem to disallow any human error in 'wrong' key, etc.

So, how is it even possible to get a decrypt of garbage? Well, random chars, what I sent can be considered garbage in any case.

Any ideas from the more experienced out there?

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In any case I offer, on my side, IIRC, I:

1) downloaded the keys (Linux box),

2) copy & pasted Nedda's key from the list of keys to its own text file,

3) copied the file to a DOS floppy,

4) copied the file from the floppy to my HD (WinXP box),

5) opened my PGP keys tray & imported the key (it shows up nicely as Nedda's key in my list of keys),

6) wrote a new text message for Nedda & saved to HD,

7) in WinMan, I right-clicked the file, got a drop-down menu, and chose encrypt, chose Nedda's key, and got the encrypted file,

8) reversed the copy-floppy process to get it on the Linux box,

9) copy & pasted it from the text file to the forum thread.

It does seem strange.

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OTOH, Nedda says:

"I couldn't decrypt it. No error messages or anything. Just the same garbled code after decrypting. "

Questions then:

You should have something like (with the name you typed in for it):

mymsg.asc - the encrypted msg.

You right-click it (in WinMan I presume), thus opens a drop-down, you select 'decrypt/verify', a window opens showing the associated keys (here and now yours), you select your key then type in your secret password for your private key, it decrypts creating file 'mymsg' (no '.asc' or whatever in your configuration), you bring the new file up into a word/text processor, and

you see the same text as before in the encrypted 'mymsg.asc' file?

Or something like that?

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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2004, 08:23:17 am »

Nedda,

Does the decrypted "garbage" also have the "Begin PGP Block / End PGP Block" at the beginning and end of the message? If so, can you try decrypting the decrypted message? (I'm thinking that possibly the message was - as Augustwest suggested - double-encrypted). If not, let me ruminate some more. In the meantime, I'm going to see if you can decrypt this message:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com>

qANQR1DBwU4DC/e3g5GQ9zcQCACtJFChz3v1lIiyO/GtC2O8wd2pcTMk3nGDjq3+
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9Kesnxs=
=L1ks
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2004, 08:28:27 am »

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Nedda,

Does the decrypted "garbage" also have the "Begin PGP Block / End PGP Block" at the beginning and end of the message? If so, can you try decrypting the decrypted message? (I'm thinking that possibly the message was - as Augustwest suggested - double-encrypted). If not, let me ruminate some more. In the meantime, I'm going to see if you can decrypt this message:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com>

qANQR1DBwU4DC/e3g5GQ9zcQCACtJFChz3v1lIiyO/GtC2O8wd2pcTMk3nGDjq3+
 
One thing I've discovered when you decrypt and merely end up with more (or the same) gobbledegook is that the message header has usually become corrupted during transmission.

For instance, in the example above, if the blank line weren't there between the line that begins "Version" and the one that begins "qANQ," the message would fail to decrypt. Or if "<http: ...> got booted to another line.

In either of those cases, I'd edit the encrypted message so its headers were spaced as per the example. Usually then it will decrypt just fine.

Also, during transmission a line break will sometimes insert itself in the encrypted text. This can be very hard to detect. Sometimes you'll actually spot a blank line down in the body of the garble. But other times, the extra break will reside invisibly at the end of a line. In that case, it helps to cut and paste the encrypted text into any word processor that lets you see line breaks -- and take out the extra.

The corrupted header is a more common cause of decryption failure, though (at least in my experience).
« Last Edit: February 18, 2004, 08:32:39 am by Claire »
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2004, 09:16:47 am »

Thank you, debra and Claire.

All the things that can happen...
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2004, 09:53:14 am »

Now something I'm curious about... Claire did all this work for getting this PGP-based stuff going.. and she hasn't even posted her public key in the PGP Key thread.....   :blink:

She's missing out on all the secret posts!
 
« Last Edit: February 18, 2004, 09:53:40 am by mantispid »
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2004, 10:45:01 am »

OK, how do I decrypt the messages in this thread?  

I copied one of debra's messages & saved it in a text file.  I then right clicked to "Open with PGP encryption/decryption tool".  

I get a message: "The message was encrypted with the following public key(s)..."
"It is not possible to decrypt this message because your keyring does not contain usable private key(s) corresponding to any of the above public key(s)"  

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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2004, 11:06:40 am »

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I get a message: "The message was encrypted with the following public key(s)..."
"It is not possible to decrypt this message because your keyring does not contain usable private key(s) corresponding to any of the above public key(s)"  
 
You can only decrypt messages that have been specifically encrypted to your key.  Messages can be encrypted to multiple keys.. but if the people didn't have your key, they couldn't encrypt to it.
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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2004, 11:16:14 am »

Debra wrote:
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Does the decrypted "garbage" also have the "Begin PGP Block / End PGP Block" at the beginning and end of the message? If so, can you try decrypting the decrypted message? (I'm thinking that possibly the message was - as Augustwest suggested - double-encrypted). If not, let me ruminate some more. In the meantime, I'm going to see if you can decrypt this message:

No problems decrypting your message, Debra.  I got the box that asked for my password and it worked fine.  With Junker's, it didn't even ask for my password.  And yes, I tried decrypting the message twice over -- no good.

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One thing I've discovered when you decrypt and merely end up with more (or the same) gobbledegook is that the message header has usually become corrupted during transmission.

I'll check on that and see what happens.

Junker, try sending me another message (privately if you like to save space on this board for others).
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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2004, 11:16:48 am »

Debra wrote:
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Does the decrypted "garbage" also have the "Begin PGP Block / End PGP Block" at the beginning and end of the message? If so, can you try decrypting the decrypted message? (I'm thinking that possibly the message was - as Augustwest suggested - double-encrypted). If not, let me ruminate some more. In the meantime, I'm going to see if you can decrypt this message:

No problems decrypting your message, Debra.  I got the box that asked for my password and it worked fine.  With Junker's, it didn't even ask for my password.  And yes, I tried decrypting the message twice over -- no good.

Claire wrote:
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One thing I've discovered when you decrypt and merely end up with more (or the same) gobbledegook is that the message header has usually become corrupted during transmission.

I'll check on that and see what happens.

Junker, try sending me another message (privately, if you'd like, to save space on this board for others).
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2004, 11:20:07 am »

Here you go, this one is encrypted to everyone who has posted a key in the PGP Keys thread as of this writing:


-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: PGP 8.0.3

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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2004, 11:25:33 am »

AHA!  It worked!

Must have been user error. &lt;_&lt;
I copied that message straight from the board at least twice, I swear!

Claire, we need to have a blushing smiley on this board.  I think I would use it frequently!  

 
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2004, 02:06:09 pm »

mantispid: Vincent? Such movies. Do you want a pgp back?

Nedda of the Hill: I'm glad you got it to work. It was sure stumping me.
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