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Elias Alias

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NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« on: March 18, 2019, 02:28:58 am »

This post is simply to inquire about mouse.
mouse, do you have any input about that mass shooting in New Zealand?
Are you being okay over there?
Thanks for your reply mouse.
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PS: Something interesting, probably worth watching --  https://youtu.be/jNrsIrWqEoc
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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2019, 07:25:35 am »

Hi Elias.  Just seen your post.  It's really late here so I'll make it quick and tell you what little I do know.  I will admit that I've been avoiding the news because it is so depressing.  Not so much depressing because so many people were killed and injured, but depressing because the same old clichés seem to have been repeated ad nauseum, clichés that seem to come out after every other terrorist attack that has occurred throughout the world for the past few years.

I have seen very little "hard facts" reported, just a lot of emotional outpouring about "we must fight hate at all costs ("costs" read travel restrictions, "lockdowns" - a term that up until very recently was only every used to refer to prison riots - and travel restrictions) and embrace diversity" (though no one who has said this has explained how "embracing diversity" will prevent people from getting killed).

And of course the inevitable GUN CONTROL threat from every media outlet you look at.  It took about two hours for politicians to start screeching about gun control, "wringing their hands and tearing their hair".  It seems from the manifesto of "the shooter" (as far as I know there is only one "shooter" in custody though obviously there were several) he wanted to "sow division in society" and cause gun control in  (not only) NZ (I get the impression that NZ is only "collateral damage" and what ever happens here is of little consequence) and to get rid of the 2nd amendment in the United States (why someone would stage a shooting here to affect the US, I just can't figure out, but that's what the manifesto said).  Of course NZ politicians and the media world wide seem to have fallen for it "hook, line and sinker" and totally Acquiesced to his goals, (not the anti-2A though of course, but a lot of "media personalities" would do that if they could and have been screeching about it ever since Friday).

My son lives in Christchurch, about 300 yards from the scene of the shooting in Linwood and had been working that day and was cycling back home just after the incident and wondered what all the fuss was about.  He texted me when he found out.  Our youngest grandson was all worried that "daddy might have got shot", but he seems ok now.

One thing that is interesting to remember though is that the writer of this "manifesto" claims to be an "eco-fascist" and does not appear to be "right wing" although the media has described him as "far right".  However, there was a "protest" by school children nearby at the time about global warming, and as the shooting certainly "took the wind out of their sails", that would tend to indicate that he doesn't really care much for "greenism".

I could - should probably - find out more about it and find out how badly things really are gonna change.  I went through "fighting the mandatory gun control threat from the NZ government" that I have found "raises its ugly head" every so often, before in the late 1990s.  At the time, we lived in Wellington and I worked in a computer shop where our customer base was about 80% into firearms, libertarianism, human rights and some of our customers were very clued up and knew the laws about everything.  I spent all my time gathering information, writing letters and talking to politicians.  Finally it was all dropped, the stated reason being "NZ can't afford financially to go down that road".  This time, apparently, "we have better communications, computer databases etc.  And computers make things so much easier".  I was looking at the part of the old files I still have from that time and they may as well have been all written in the 1800s as technology has moved on so much since.

It's times like these when I absolutely despair that we don't even have a constitution, it's really depressing.
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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2019, 09:18:05 am »

My take-away from mass shootings is always that the gun grabbers are complicit. Any rational Muslim in NZ would now organize armed protection for their prayer times, trained and ready to eradicate a shooter the second his intention becomes obvious. And to broadcast that readiness to the world. But to do that, they need guns.
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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2019, 10:30:13 am »

My take-away from mass shootings is always that the gun grabbers are complicit. Any rational Muslim in NZ would now organize armed protection for their prayer times, trained and ready to eradicate a shooter the second his intention becomes obvious. And to broadcast that readiness to the world. But to do that, they need guns.
Bill, mouse -- I thought NZ was part of the UK?
If so, how is it that NZ citizens can have guns? Or can they?
If they can't have guns, why have a Gun Control special event like this?
Apologies for my ignorance. Maybe y'all can help me learn, yes?
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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2019, 12:22:48 pm »

From the vid, it's a good thing he had thumbhole stocked weapons and not a pistol grip.  Also, no bump-stock thingy.  Being sarcastic here.  Shooter did have a 'Dazzler' on strobe on end of initial gun - never heard of it but it apparently is used by law enforcement.  Vid shows numerous jams during which time someone - anyone could have tackled him.  I know - hindsight and all etc.  Vid is at cr*zyshit.com edit:  don't go there unless have secure browser/adblock etc. plus there's p*rn ads all over - it's a gore/death site
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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2019, 05:42:16 pm »

My take-away from mass shootings is always that the gun grabbers are complicit. Any rational Muslim in NZ would now organize armed protection for their prayer times, trained and ready to eradicate a shooter the second his intention becomes obvious. And to broadcast that readiness to the world. But to do that, they need guns.
Bill, mouse -- I thought NZ was part of the UK?
If so, how is it that NZ citizens can have guns? Or can they?
If they can't have guns, why have a Gun Control special event like this?
Apologies for my ignorance. Maybe y'all can help me learn, yes?
Salute!
Elias

I thought NZ was part of the UK?   ELIAS, YOU DIDN'T REALLY THINK THAT, DID YOU?

Like a lot of places, America included, NZ is a former colony of UK.  However, in 1907 NZ gained the status of a "dominion", but until 1977 our passports carried the words "British subject" (I cringed every time I looked at that and was glad when it was all changed).  America fought a war to get out from under the thumb of UK  and as a result they are truly a country, unfortunately NZ has always been obsequiously appeasing to UK and "fawned before them" when UK magnanimously "allowed" us to be "independent".   NZ was always considered to be very much a part of UK until 1973 when UK joined the European economic community.  Until then UK had taken most of our exports and it was like we existed solely to provide food for them.  NZ police and other civil servants still swear an oath to "the crown" (presumably UK or her "representative" the NZ parliament).

No, we don't need to be part of UK, nobody does, as UK has turned into a real "sh**hole country" and is the only other country in the world (besides Israel) that has no constitution.

Yeah, at the moment (probably only for a few hours more at this rate) we can have guns.  You just have to have an "arms licence" and have paid a huge amount of money (as a "ransom to get a little bit of your freedom back") to a greedy, parasitic government department.  So far, there is no database of firearms, just a database of people who own them, be it one gun or fifty, the number is not on the database, but that is now under constant fire from politicians who think that support for a "change" will make them popular, and members of the media who are "creaming their pants" at the thought of stealing from and enslaving others.

(You might have picked up that I am kind of bitter about this)
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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2019, 07:30:21 pm »

My take-away from mass shootings is always that the gun grabbers are complicit. Any rational Muslim in NZ would now organize armed protection for their prayer times, trained and ready to eradicate a shooter the second his intention becomes obvious. And to broadcast that readiness to the world. But to do that, they need guns.
Bill, mouse -- I thought NZ was part of the UK?
If so, how is it that NZ citizens can have guns? Or can they?
If they can't have guns, why have a Gun Control special event like this?
Apologies for my ignorance. Maybe y'all can help me learn, yes?
Salute!
Elias

I'm not mouse, but I did use Google once.

The current Wikipedia article on Gun Laws in New Zealand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand#Current_firearms_law

The Internet Archive page for the same: https://web.archive.org/web/20190801000000*/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand

The "Current Laws" sections are pretty much the same, but I wanted to link an archived version because I expect that this section will change soon.

Summary:

1. To legally own a gun, you have to get a license.
2. To get a license, you have to be at least 16 years old and jump through some hoops, including showing "some lawful, proper, and sufficient purpose."
3. Getting a handgun requires a separate endorsement on your license, which requires yet more hoops, and you're generally limited to 12 handguns at a time.
4. They have a "restricted weapons" category that basically exists to allow movies to be made with full auto firearms (blanks only, live fire capable is a no-no).
5. There are endorsements specifically for dealers and employees of dealers (separate endorsements).
6. AR-15s and their ilk have yet another, separate endorsement, in response to a different mass shooting committed in New Zealand in 1990.  I'm fuzzy on whether this allows the purchase of new firearms covered by this category or whether it was just used to "grandfather" the ones that were already out there.

TL;DR: Yes, you can get guns in NZ, but their laws are draconian by US standards.
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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2019, 10:01:45 pm »

Anomolies all over the place.  Staged show is most likely.  The penalties for possesing or sharing videos or images from the event are immediately punished by prison time.  Smells like last month's fish.
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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2019, 10:31:12 pm »

Yikes, I just found this:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111384083/christchurch-mosque-attacks-kiwis-start-voluntarily-handing-in-semiautomatic-weapons

As the Government promises gun law reforms in the wake of the Christchurch terror attack, some Kiwis have already started voluntarily surrendering their legally-held weapons.

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That is just horrible.  I'm amazed at how gullible, even downright silly, people can be.

Sure, just as I thought it would be, headlines squealing and yelling "right wing extremism" - when in fact, the "shooter's manifesto" made out that he was the polar opposite of a "rightwing extremist".  I think I'll go back to watching knitting pattern videos as "news sites" have become even more divorsed from reality, lying and unhinged.

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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2019, 07:08:49 am »

Yikes, I just found this:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111384083/christchurch-mosque-attacks-kiwis-start-voluntarily-handing-in-semiautomatic-weapons

As the Government promises gun law reforms in the wake of the Christchurch terror attack, some Kiwis have already started voluntarily surrendering their legally-held weapons.

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That is just horrible.  I'm amazed at how gullible, even downright silly, people can be.

Sure, just as I thought it would be, headlines squealing and yelling "right wing extremism" - when in fact, the "shooter's manifesto" made out that he was the polar opposite of a "rightwing extremist".  I think I'll go back to watching knitting pattern videos as "news sites" have become even more divorsed from reality, lying and unhinged.


F  A  K  E            N  E  W  S        A  L  E  R  T!!!!!!!!!!


I really didn't want to discuss this issue any more but it seemed that everyone I saw today had an opinion on it, and wanted to talk about it.  Only one  person talked about "gun control will solve all our problems" - but then I would have expected her to say something along those lines, so I just nodded, made my excuses and hurried on (it made it easy that I had my youngest grandson with who was tugging on my clothes and saying "can we go now?" - and without exception everyone else I talked to said that they wouldn't give up their guns for anything, and when I said "but the news said ......", two people used the words "fake news" and one of them said that 90% of the 'news' we get is 'wishful thinking'" and "if people read about how others have 'surrendered to the beast', and given up their property, and been praised for it, they are far more likely to do that themselves", then he went on about the Holodomor in Ukraine in 1932 and mused "just think how different that might have been if these people had had guns" and when I baited him about semiautomatics he replied "the people must always have access to exactly the same guns that government employees have access to".  After a while I actually sought people out for their opinion, and there was a lot of cynicism about "fake news" from people I  never would have expected to hear that from.

However, having said that, I think when full scale confiscation comes, I can't see many people resisting.  There's not much we can do anyway.  I'd like to think different, but I think, we, at least in NZ, are looking at a major defeat.
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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2019, 10:36:52 am »

However, having said that, I think when full scale confiscation comes, I can't see many people resisting.  There's not much we can do anyway.

There's a lot you can do, with or without guns, but how many will have the balls to do it is another thing.

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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2019, 08:56:51 pm »

Solzhenitsyn is good to quote now ... and every time the deep state wants to disarm us.

The Christchirch Massacre is clearly a staged event - quite different from a false flag that actually took place.  Prime Proof is the HUGE penalties for sharing, storing or referencing actual video footage of what took place.

We can know what did not happen, and that the Deep State operators will shove it down the throats of anyone willing to swallow. 

Don't be.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2019, 08:36:07 am »

Check this, early hours of March 21 2019 --

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-03-20-alert-brighteon-com-video-platform-under-extreme-threat.html#

ALERT: Brighteon.com video platform under extreme threat from internet infrastructure providers, forced to delete all New Zealand shooting videos, essentially “at gunpoint” by the globalist controllers of the ‘net

Quoting -- 

Natural News) This is an emergency alert concerning Brighteon.com, the free speech video platform alternative to YouTube.

I’m writing this at 12:45 am, March 21st. The Brighteon platform is now under extreme threat by upstream infrastructure providers over users posting footage of the New Zealand Christchurch shooting. We are being threatened to remove all the videos or face complete annihilation online, starting with being de-platformed from infrastructure providers, followed by legal action from none other than the nation of Australia (not even New Zealand itself, but Australia and it’s “Office of the eSafety Commissioner.”)


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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2019, 08:42:04 am »

Also note -- This is TMM's channel at Brighteon --  https://www.brighteon.com/channel/eliasalias

I would invite y'all to click that link and click on some of the ten videos there. We need a total of 500 views to graduate to a permission to post more than ten videos. Right now we have only 290 views, total, on the ten videos I posted there last week. Any clicks will be appreciated.

Thanks mucho!
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Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2019, 08:05:14 am »

OK, I've had "my head in the sand" for a one and a half weeks now, mainly because the alternative was far too depressing and I didn't want to have to turn on a radio (I never watch the tv) and be bombarded with the words of a demented, delusional "journalist" shrilly going into a hysterical outburst of emotion about how "we must all embrace peace, love and Islam and ban all guns in civilian hands throughout the world".  We used to have a local "news site" as the "background" on the computer and I was getting tired of turning it on and being faced with images of our embarrassingly naïve and incredibly dumb "prime minister" wearing a hijab, "wringing her hands" with her face contorted in a hideous pleading stance, holding a fawning, submissive pose and repeating trending leftist phrases over and over again.

The silly cow (the "prime minister, that is) has even "offered to pay" - just like she'd be the one paying - for the funerals of the victims.

So I changed it.  The "wall paper" is now a picture of my two youngest grandchildren and the "background" is now the local weather forecast site.  My husband doesn't like it, maybe it was a bit selfish of me, but he hasn't changed it back.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, I was finally ready to face the outside world (although, truthfully, a little bit at a time) and this video does a pretty good job of summing things up.  It is excellent.  I think it is probably too late for NZ to get back any semblance of dignity and reason, because The Quran was recited during New Zealand’s parliament session on Tuesday, and a Muslim imam led prayers in parliament, in what is being sold as a gesture of solidarity with the victims of the shooting, and what gun rights we had are now about to go "down the toilet".

HOWEVER, MY FERVANT HOPE IS THAT ALL AMERICANS "STICK TO THEIR GUNS" WITH GUSTO, DON'T BE FOOLED BY THIS GARBAGE.

Here's the link to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=199&v=6p-_hk_fOEQ

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