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There is already a thread about memorials but I don't remember where it is, so:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-to-decide-if-world-war-i-memorial-peace-cross-can-stand

The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments next week on whether the World War I Bladensburg, Maryland memorial, known as the "Peace Cross," should survive or be torn down in what could be a landmark First Amendment case that could impact memorials across the country.
In 2014, atheists filed a lawsuit claiming the memorial’s design violates the First Amendment, is “offensive,” and should be altered, moved, or destroyed. The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled the cross violates the Establishment clause in the Constitution, which prohibits the government establishment of religion.

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Re: Supreme court to if WWI memorial "peace cross" can stand or be destroyed
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2019, 05:44:14 am »

where is this "establishment clause" in the constitution?
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Re: Supreme court to if WWI memorial "peace cross" can stand or be destroyed
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2019, 11:52:13 am »

where is this "establishment clause" in the constitution?

 Religion (Religious) is only mentioned twice in the Constitution.

First Article VI, 1:3a "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


Second in the "Bill of Rights", Article 1 "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

I presume they are speaking about the Bill of Rights when mentioning "The establishment clause".

In my humble opinion, it only prevents "Congress" from establishing a religion but does not prevent states or counties from expressing religious sentiments, whatever they are.
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Re: Supreme court to if WWI memorial "peace cross" can stand or be destroyed
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2019, 12:35:33 pm »

where is this "establishment clause" in the constitution?

 Religion (Religious) is only mentioned twice in the Constitution.

First Article VI, 1:3a "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


Second in the "Bill of Rights", Article 1 "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

I presume they are speaking about the Bill of Rights when mentioning "The establishment clause".

In my humble opinion, it only prevents "Congress" from establishing a religion but does not prevent states or counties from expressing religious sentiments, whatever they are.

I agree, this is not an establishment of a religion by  GovCo.

but just how some try to twist this around to fit they Idea of how they want it to say.
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Re: Supreme court to if WWI memorial "peace cross" can stand or be destroyed
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2019, 09:16:04 am »

I have often wondered about the limitation of the First Amendment to Congress. Does that mean that none of it applies to the states? Perhaps. I know that the limitation on "establishment of religion" has been sorely abused by the Supreme Court, to forbid any expression of religion by any government entity. I do not think it should forbid prayer in schools, or anything similar, as long as participation is not mandatory. One of the big reasons for early immigration to the US was because expression of some religions was forbidden in Europe.
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I have often wondered about the limitation of the First Amendment to Congress. Does that mean that none of it applies to the states? Perhaps. I know that the limitation on "establishment of religion" has been sorely abused by the Supreme Court, to forbid any expression of religion by any government entity. I do not think it should forbid prayer in schools, or anything similar, as long as participation is not mandatory. One of the big reasons for early immigration to the US was because expression of some religions was forbidden in Europe.

And I totally agree with you Bill.
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