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[MamaLiberty]

but wouldn't it be better if I could (and DO) contribute to waking up as many people as possible where I am now?

Better for whom? If that's better for you... I'd say go for it. For me? Not a chance. I made the attempt for forty years, give or take, and it almost killed me. I have no obligation to save anyone else, even if I thought it could be done that way. I will live the best I can to demonstrate non-aggression and integrity. Those who wish to talk to me about it are welcome, but I'm not going to pursue them.

Each person has to answer that for themselves, and live with the consequences of their actions. If you wish to continue living in a swamp, spending your life and energy trying to convert the snakes and alligators, that's certainly up to you. But why would anyone denigrate people who make different choices?

[DiabloLoco]

but wouldn't it be better if I could (and DO) contribute to waking up as many people as possible where I am now?

Better for whom? If that's better for you... I'd say go for it. For me? Not a chance. I made the attempt for forty years, give or take, and it almost killed me. I have no obligation to save anyone else, even if I thought it could be done that way. I will live the best I can to demonstrate non-aggression and integrity. Those who wish to talk to me about it are welcome, but I'm not going to pursue them.

Each person has to answer that for themselves, and live with the consequences of their actions. If you wish to continue living in a swamp, spending your life and energy trying to convert the snakes and alligators, that's certainly up to you. But why would anyone denigrate people who make different choices?

I'm not denigrating you, or anyone else for that matter. You make your choices and I make mine. For me, I'd rather live in a swamp than a desert. To each their own, right? You asked "Better for whom?" Well....Better for you! Better for me! Better for everybody except those that wish to control us. I'm hoping to wake people up. I've found that I am much more successful at this when I can do it face-to-face. It just doesn't work well for me online. Perhaps that's because it is hard to find people intelligent enough to get the message through online means. Those that CAN absorb things like this using those means, are mostly ALREADY HERE ON TMM! The average IQ level here most likely approaches genius level. So.... I approach those of lesser intelligence, of which there are FAR GREATER numbers of, in the flesh. If I can wake up 2 or 3 people per year, and they in turn wake up 2 or 3 people per year, our numbers will grow exponentially ( by "our", I mean those that value liberty and self ownership). That is how it is better for you, me, and everybody else that realizes that all forms of government are a sham. A scam. A hindrance to freedom and prosperity. You are obviously very successful using online means. It works for you, and that's great! I know that I really appreciate it! So ask yourself this- Would you rather have someone like me over there in Wyoming where I would be rendered impotent in regards to reeducating the brainwashed, or would you rather that someone like me stayed here, behind enemy lines where I can be most effective?

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

Yeah, sometimes I miss running a semi clandestine police abuse listing.  Out here, they'd know who I am in five seconds.  I'm the only guy who doesn't worship at the cop altar ... for which I'm also a pariah.  There are actually 4 other people... and most of the teens who will be leaving once they hit 18... but they don't count.

[MamaLiberty]

Would you rather have someone like me over there in Wyoming where I would be rendered impotent in regards to reeducating the brainwashed, or would you rather that someone like me stayed here, behind enemy lines where I can be most effective?

Doesn't matter a bit what I'd prefer. I have no idea what affect my on-line efforts have, and neither does anyone else. What makes you think you are more effective "behind enemy lines?" I spend a great deal more time talking to people one on one, or by fives in my classes than I do on line. There are plenty of people to talk to here. I happen to think that many here are receptive. Not all, of course, but many.

I like you. You are my friend. I'd rather not see you tilting at windmills in such a dangerous place. I'd rather you were my neighbor... but my rathers don't count for much in any case. Good luck with whatever you choose to do. 

[FDD]

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[StillaGhost]

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[Moonbeam]

I'm not denigrating you, or anyone else for that matter. You make your choices and I make mine. For me, I'd rather live in a swamp than a desert. To each their own, right? You asked "Better for whom?" Well....Better for you! Better for me! Better for everybody except those that wish to control us. I'm hoping to wake people up. I've found that I am much more successful at this when I can do it face-to-face. It just doesn't work well for me online. Perhaps that's because it is hard to find people intelligent enough to get the message through online means. Those that CAN absorb things like this using those means, are mostly ALREADY HERE ON TMM! The average IQ level here most likely approaches genius level. So.... I approach those of lesser intelligence, of which there are FAR GREATER numbers of, in the flesh. If I can wake up 2 or 3 people per year, and they in turn wake up 2 or 3 people per year, our numbers will grow exponentially ( by "our", I mean those that value liberty and self ownership). That is how it is better for you, me, and everybody else that realizes that all forms of government are a sham. A scam. A hindrance to freedom and prosperity. You are obviously very successful using online means. It works for you, and that's great! I know that I really appreciate it! So ask yourself this- Would you rather have someone like me over there in Wyoming where I would be rendered impotent in regards to reeducating the brainwashed, or would you rather that someone like me stayed here, behind enemy lines where I can be most effective?

I thought that was a thoughtful reply, DL, thank you. I am glad that there are folks like you who can just grow where they are planted. We need liberty-loving folks all over! Keep up the good work, and like Gooch says, "Stay safe!"

[DiabloLoco]

I'm not denigrating you, or anyone else for that matter. You make your choices and I make mine. For me, I'd rather live in a swamp than a desert. To each their own, right? You asked "Better for whom?" Well....Better for you! Better for me! Better for everybody except those that wish to control us. I'm hoping to wake people up. I've found that I am much more successful at this when I can do it face-to-face. It just doesn't work well for me online. Perhaps that's because it is hard to find people intelligent enough to get the message through online means. Those that CAN absorb things like this using those means, are mostly ALREADY HERE ON TMM! The average IQ level here most likely approaches genius level. So.... I approach those of lesser intelligence, of which there are FAR GREATER numbers of, in the flesh. If I can wake up 2 or 3 people per year, and they in turn wake up 2 or 3 people per year, our numbers will grow exponentially ( by "our", I mean those that value liberty and self ownership). That is how it is better for you, me, and everybody else that realizes that all forms of government are a sham. A scam. A hindrance to freedom and prosperity. You are obviously very successful using online means. It works for you, and that's great! I know that I really appreciate it! So ask yourself this- Would you rather have someone like me over there in Wyoming where I would be rendered impotent in regards to reeducating the brainwashed, or would you rather that someone like me stayed here, behind enemy lines where I can be most effective?

I thought that was a thoughtful reply, DL, thank you.

Thank YOU! I'm glad to see that a few people actually READ what I write. Some people don't. *cough, cough, mouse, cough cough*

I am glad that there are folks like you who can just grow where they are planted.

My roots here run DEEP! I come from many, many generations of farmers. All in this area. I don't farm, but my brother does. My youngest minion is just getting old enough to work for him this Summer. It'll be good for him. It was for me!

We need liberty-loving folks all over! Keep up the good work, and like Gooch says, "Stay safe!"

See, that's what I think too. Why put us all in one place? Easier to round up that way.

I will "keep on keepin' on". Always keeping an ear to the ground and remembering OPSEC. Thanks again for taking the time to reply.

[DiabloLoco]

I have no idea what affect my on-line efforts have, and neither does anyone else.

I DO know. I know what you have done for me personally. That's enough evidence of your success for me!

[DiabloLoco]

 you may well just be spinning your wheels to a degree , along with possibly compromising your personal security.

Perhaps, in regards to spinning wheels. As for compromising personal security, I hold my cards close and choose my words carefully. I always have OPSEC in mind. Even here.

That is, unless you mean personal security regarding my location. In reality, I am surrounded by people that despise our current government. I don't think that too many of them are willing to scrap the whole idea of government, but they DO want it to be as small as possible. My neighbors are all into gun culture too. Most of them would never give up their guns. Never. Til death do they part.
 
 

Ask yourself if your efforts would have a more positive result if they were geared towards those who are already at least somewhat likeminded?

 I don't even try unless I hear someone voicing certain opinions in the course of casual conversation. If I see a W I D E opening, I take it.
 
 
 

Observation.........every time that one of these incidents occur the majority of the public falls right into the manipulative media traps , the alleged " conversation " immediately descends into an exploitative " blame game "............." well whites do THIS , no blacks do THAT..."............thus further dividing the populace along an arbitrary line and submerging the basic fact that the *entire* populace below a certain socio-economic class is being exploited and controlled.
 
   The corollary aspect being ( on a societal level) that it allows the inmates from the various extremely polarised sides/points of view to gain the most exposure and thus control of their various asylums.
 
  Kids such as this example are easily manipulated towards devious ends , he's neither the first nor the last we'll see and as polarisation grows yet more extreme and the nation becomes even more factionalised we'll see more and more of 'em.

An interesting observation. It got me thinking. Thanks.

[colby556]

Get organized, equipped and trained with your family and close friends. Have a plan, a retreat, and a plan c. If you train and prep for crisis, physically and mentally, that's really all we can do. It will also cross over into your daily life in remarkable ways as well. I would like to be able to help many of the thoughtful, insightful folks here, but when the collapse is fully realized, that notion does not seem very realistic.

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

Get organized, equipped and trained with your family and close friends. Have a plan, a retreat, and a plan c. If you train and prep for crisis, physically and mentally, that's really all we can do. It will also cross over into your daily life in remarkable ways as well. I would like to be able to help many of the thoughtful, insightful folks here, but when the collapse is fully realized, that notion does not seem very realistic.

Yeah, everyone's been predicting the second coming since before the first coming was ended in an execution by everyone's REAL god, the Godvernment.

I've been through REAL revolution, REAL change, and real "meet the new boss, same as the old boss's second in command." You're selling shitty cucumbers to the gardener bro.  The mess NEVER ends.  End of the world scenarios are shit guys like you should buy, since its part of western religion, and guys like me should've been smart enough to see the patterns.  But as I've said, we're all entitled to one or two entirely catastrophic stupidities in our lives.  Mine was moving west "because the government out east is out of control."  PFFFFF... its a lot nicer here!!!

Since you're going through or IN Wyoming, I'll assume you're one of His Lordship Royce's people.  Wanna buy my house?  You're probably one of those guys who'd LOVE IT here.  After all, you can shoot guns to your heart's content.  I'll sell for the price I paid for it, and land and outbuildings, won't even charge extra for reflooring the place and putting in wood flooring instead of that ratty carpet people put into homes of all shapes and sizes out here (carpets load up fast out here, regardless of how much you steam them... the dirt/dust/mud that drags even if you leave your shoes at the entrance... is atrocious.)  Carpet is the second dumbest thing anyone living outside the big cities can possibly do...  All taxes paid and I'll be out in three months... interested?  They're selling lots out here for 15 to 16 grand, water, sewer, covenants not enforced (because the busiest of our "code enforcement" busy-body neighbors built the wrong kind of building so enforcing anything would have THEM out on their asses first, I would lose a few grand on this and that, they'd lose house and home... hah!) and we ARE out in the county, so at least, none of the city zoning bullshit applies to us.

[StillaGhost]

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[colby556]

I would point out that the local government here in Massachusetts is worse overall than many places out west. Of course the over arching federal government stinks all over, but moving to a place with a touch more room would be pleasant !

[StillaGhost]

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