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[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

Interesting take knobster.  In fact, interesting take everyone, however, I'd wager that this is crafted, and many fall for it, brainlessly.  I know rich white dudes, who should KNOW BETTER, falling for the "we need more ID, more control, otherwise killers will run loose."

I tell 'em... "how about we let people defend themselves... the killer wannabes will be just that, wannabes who get sorted out damn right and quick."  My favorite rich white Wyoming friend changes the subject and gets adamant that "its not how the world works."  I point him to nature... which is... after all... "God's work."  In nature, animals don't tolerate bullshit.  In the Bible, God does not tolerate bullshit.  Why do we, "modern" people tolerate bullshit and strive for the worst rather than reach and attempt to achieve better and better?

[FDD]

Interesting take knobster.  In fact, interesting take everyone, however, I'd wager that this is crafted, and many fall for it, brainlessly.  I know rich white dudes, who should KNOW BETTER, falling for the "we need more ID, more control, otherwise killers will run loose."

I tell 'em... "how about we let people defend themselves... the killer wannabes will be just that, wannabes who get sorted out damn right and quick."  My favorite rich white Wyoming friend changes the subject and gets adamant that "its not how the world works."  I point him to nature... which is... after all... "God's work."  In nature, animals don't tolerate bullshit.  In the Bible, God does not tolerate bullshit.  Why do we, "modern" people tolerate bullshit and strive for the worst rather than reach and attempt to achieve better and better?

Why?

Because we are controlled, by people who want to destroy us, and have been doing so, for a very long time.
every one talks about how whites are oppressing everyone, how the minorities are so bad off.
look at world populations, the white person is the minority. blacks make up more people in the world than any one else, followed by the Asians.
it is time to wait up people, before it is too late.

here is something interesting I just found.

  Facts: He's not old enough to own a hand gun "legally", his FaceBook page was just made in 2015 with mass majority of contacts being black, now the media claims said "shooter" was on drugs that encourage anger, said "shooter" was unemployed, said "shooter" sat in the church for approximately an hour before shooting, lets not forget the hateful, race-motivated comment he supposedly made before the shooting, and the best fact of all to take into account; North Carolina was putting a Bill in that would allow citizens to carry guns WITHOUT a permit! Wouldn't you think that this is a bit of a coincidence that this 20 yr old with his FAKE FaceBook page just so happens comes from North Carolina?!? Plus the other state riots have pretty much dwindled down to a trickle... They've got to keep the hate going because if a "race-war" happens it'll give the government the excuse they are pushing for to declare martial law... Any patsy will do, ya know! Don't believe what the media of "1984" (movie) tells you.... 2+2 doesn't equal the government's 5!

http://allenbwest.com/2015/06/heres-what-the-mainstream-media-wont-tell-you-about-mass-shootings/

There are about 319 million people in the United States, so that means there are about 118 million gun owners in this nation. Mother Jones reports there have been 69 mass shootings in the last 30 years. The Washington Post says, a Congressional Research Service report published in 2013 counted 78 incidents over roughly the same period, in which 547 were killed.

That means, out of 118 million gun owners, 78 or .00007 percent of the gun owning population are potential mass murderers (using a 30-year total).

[mouse]

This seems like any other "racist shooting" like the ones that have plagued the American South for centuries.  There were some horrendous stories of whites abusing blacks in the late 19th and the first half of the 20th century.  What has changed?  The attitude of the ptb?  The UN desperately wants to get the American people disarmed at any cost.  They are desperate for control of the world and cannot achieve that until America knuckles under as well as the rest of the world.  America and the attitude of the people is a major "thorn in their side".

So they go by the old theory of "never let a good crisis go to waste" and seize on any incident of violence to divide and conquer.

They key is:  (Quote from one of the many articles) "The narrative will be crafted to add fuel to the racist war engineered to unfold this summer. It will also be used to push more draconian gun legislation in Congress, likely at the behest of the Obama administration".

Only time will tell if this is correct.  There isn't much time until the Northern summer, so TPTB have to act quickly.

My theory is that Dylann Roof was set up.  He was the perfect candidate for being the "agitator" for gun control and racial disharmony (the agenda is gun control and racial disharmony is the "means to an end" - I've said before that the PTB don't care how many lives they destroy and how many societies they hurt in "achieving their goal".  He was a troubled youth with no job and no prospects who seems to have had a resentment for the black community.  He was probably taking dangerous psychiatric drugs (the effect of which was to make him angrier), a facebook page had been set up for him in May 2015 (although it has been said that was planning this attack for "many months") but it seems he had many African American friends, his uncle (oh so conveniently) buys him a gun and then gets on MSM raving about what a psycho the kid is (if his family really thought the kid was a threat to anyone, why on earth did they buy him the gun?). After he had "done the dreadful deed" within minutes the news media was able to describe him in perfect detail including what type of footwear he had been wearing. 

Don't you think that everything falls into place just too nicely and conveniently for the PTB's agenda?

All that remains now is to sit back and watch this "race war" either unfold or not unfold, martial law unfold or not unfold "as a result" and gun confiscation either unfold or not unfold.

I have been assured that people would shoot back if American police tried to take their guns from them, but nobody fought back during Hurricane Katrina when their guns were taken from them and their neighbours and what resistance that did occur was "knocked on the head" pretty quickly.

[mouse]

Well, look at that.  Legally owned and he must have passed the background check as well - which is amazing as he had a felony conviction for possession of a narcotic drug.  Here's what CNN had to say about it:

"One key part of this horrific scheme -- the weapon -- came in April, when Roof bought a .45-caliber handgun at a Charleston gun store, the two law enforcement officials told Perez and Bruer from CNN, the first network to report this development. His grandfather says that Roof was given "birthday money" and that the family didn't know what Roof did with it."

Seems it wasn't a private sale or a gift. You couldn't make this stuff up, could you?

[MamaLiberty]

Well, look at that.  Legally owned and he must have passed the background check as well - which is amazing as he had a felony conviction for possession of a narcotic drug. 

Thing is, the whole idea of "legally owned" is part and parcel of the scam. It doesn't really matter how he got the gun, who he got it from, or what he did in the past to be "illegal." There is no way on earth to prevent people who want to harm others from obtaining tools. The evil was in his action, his aggression, not the tool he used, nor his feelings about the people he killed and injured. The only thing that might have helped is for the targets to be able to defend themselves. For that they need tools, regardless of whether or not they are "nice" people, or if they like to pollute their bodies with drugs...

[socalserf]

Well, look at that.  Legally owned and he must have passed the background check as well - which is amazing as he had a felony conviction for possession of a narcotic drug. 

Thing is, the whole idea of "legally owned" is part and parcel of the scam. It doesn't really matter how he got the gun, who he got it from, or what he did in the past to be "illegal." There is no way on earth to prevent people who want to harm others from obtaining tools. The evil was in his action, his aggression, not the tool he used, nor his feelings about the people he killed and injured. The only thing that might have helped is for the targets to be able to defend themselves. For that they need tools, regardless of whether or not they are "nice" people, or if they like to pollute their bodies with drugs...

Exacto mundo.

[FDD]

mean while, back in Chicago

Meanwhile in Chicago: The Gun Free Bloodbath That Liberals Ignore


Read more at http://woundedamericanwarrior.com/meanwhile-in-chicago-the-gun-free-bloodbath-that-liberals-ignore/

(Top Conservative News) Chicago has some of the most strict anti-gun laws in all of the United States. Yet the whole city is a non-stop bloodbath. Every three and a half hours, someone is shot. Every twenty hours there is a murder.
Read more at http://woundedamericanwarrior.com/meanwhile-in-chicago-the-gun-free-bloodbath-that-liberals-ignore/

[mi6a2lm]

Here is a vid of one of his friends talking to a BBC reporter - the friend is black.  (The BBC reporter was probably uncomfortable - 'they have guns and pitbulls in the country?' - I think pitbulls are banned in England - there's a pit just hanging out in the house)

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Dylann Roof's friend: He never said anything racist
Dylann Roof has black friends.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e04_1434844635  [2:51]

From one of the commenters: 30 out of his 83 FaceBook friends were colored. Yet when he posted his last FB profile picture (the one the media used) not one person liked it (or commented).

[colby556]

Here is a vid of one of his friends talking to a BBC reporter - the friend is black.  (The BBC reporter was probably uncomfortable - 'they have guns and pitbulls in the country?' - I think pitbulls are banned in England - there's a pit just hanging out in the house)

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Dylann Roof's friend: He never said anything racist
Dylann Roof has black friends.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e04_1434844635  [2:51]

From one of the commenters: 30 out of his 83 FaceBook friends were colored. Yet when he posted his last FB profile picture (the one the media used) not one person liked it (or commented).

What I found much more interesting than the whole racist schtick, was the admission that they where told exactly when he was gonna take action, and possible locations. The black fella just kept talking and talking and the white fella keeps looking at him like he just needs to shut his cock holster. I wonder if charges will be brought against the friends ?

[mouse]

Well, look at that.  Legally owned and he must have passed the background check as well - which is amazing as he had a felony conviction for possession of a narcotic drug. 

Thing is, the whole idea of "legally owned" is part and parcel of the scam. It doesn't really matter how he got the gun, who he got it from, or what he did in the past to be "illegal." There is no way on earth to prevent people who want to harm others from obtaining tools. The evil was in his action, his aggression, not the tool he used, nor his feelings about the people he killed and injured. The only thing that might have helped is for the targets to be able to defend themselves. For that they need tools, regardless of whether or not they are "nice" people, or if they like to pollute their bodies with drugs...

I wasn't trying to make it all about the gun, I realize that this "muddies the waters" and plays into the hands of the control-freaks.  It had been earlier reported that Dylann had been given the gun by his uncle or father, I was only pointing out that now it is "he bought it from a gun shop". This seems to be trying  to put the onus on the gun shop, so people will think "he bought the gun legally, so we have to find a way of making gun sales harder if not impossible".

The idea, as was stated that he had a felony conviction and yet was able to just walk into a gun shop and come away with a gun, seems pretty unlikely.  More likely that he was supplied the gun by a government agency, the same one whose employees took it upon themselves to cause racial unrest, along the lines of "encouraging a coming race war".

Just another of those things that was "far, far too, too convenient" for the ptb.  Well, a theory anyway, a paranoid theory, but what else is new?

[mi6a2lm]

Here is a vid of one of his friends talking to a BBC reporter - the friend is black.  (The BBC reporter was probably uncomfortable - 'they have guns and pitbulls in the country?' - I think pitbulls are banned in England - there's a pit just hanging out in the house)

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Dylann Roof's friend: He never said anything racist
Dylann Roof has black friends.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e04_1434844635  [2:51]

From one of the commenters: 30 out of his 83 FaceBook friends were colored. Yet when he posted his last FB profile picture (the one the media used) not one person liked it (or commented).

What I found much more interesting than the whole racist schtick, was the admission that they where told exactly when he was gonna take action, and possible locations. The black fella just kept talking and talking and the white fella keeps looking at him like he just needs to shut his cock holster. I wonder if charges will be brought against the friends ?

Yeah, that's weird.  Wish the interview would of went longer - was the shooter the type to bullsh*t about stuff like that so they blew him off or ...?

Same vid on youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajZUt2gdKGQ

Comment from youtube page:  Dylann Roof's black friend: "He never said anything racist". This case just keeps getting weirder & more contradictory by the moment... A crazy kid with a "Dutch Boy" haircut on amnesic drugs flips out on a group of black Christians in Americas most historic black church after planning to hit a school? I'm really curious who had physical (and internet) associations with this kid, about a month or two before the incident. And what the parents have to say about whether or not he was threatening them, or acting violent during the weeks before. (The media reported that everyone said Dylann was a racist & that his father gave him a gun for his birthday. But in contradiction the father claims he gave the boy money & did not know what he spent it on. (Which may be true). Then we hear that his parents had found out about the gun & took it away from him. But Dylann somehow got it back & went on this rampage... 

[FDD]

do not forget, he bought it legally. passed a background check and everything.

if he was on drugs, that in it self could be what happen, the drugs messed with his head.
Now, who gave him the drugs and why?
Who was talking with him before he "Went off"?

maybe his handlers? someone that was guiding him along the way? while under the influence?

just in time to help the Democrat's with their gun control?
 

[Mr. Bill]

I've been reading a lot of sensible and thoughtful commentary about this tragedy, but I thought I should stop by here just to read some of the other sort, for balance.

Is it really so inconceivable that this was, y'know, a BAD GUY who acted on his own?  Have you read his manifesto?

Oh, right, it's a fake manifesto on a fake website that was carefully designed to be discovered by the media several days after the event.  Or he was mind-controlled into writing it.  Sorry, silly me.  The fact that his website is hosted in Russia should have been a dead giveaway.

You want a conspiracy theory?  How about a conspiracy to discredit the RKBA movement?  Don't tell me you're not part of it.  Heck, you couldn't be expected to know that you're part of it, could you?  That's how mind control works.

[MamaLiberty]

Of course he was a bad guy... regardless of his motivation or anything else. The district of criminals is filled with bad guys in three piece suits, most of whom would be happy to take advantage of such a wimpy bad guy. The criminals of DC have destroyed any chance for ordinary people to trust any story coming out of such an incident, for the most part, so it is not strange for some to consider how the "suits" might have used this evil person in some way.

I have not read this "manifesto," and don't intend to. I won't gift them with that much of my time. Doesn't matter what he said or why. Evil is evil. That's what he chose. Too bad someone there wasn't prepared to deal with him properly. The trial should be a wonderful propaganda opportunity....

[DiabloLoco]

I've been reading a lot of sensible and thoughtful commentary about this tragedy, but I thought I should stop by here just to read some of the other sort, for balance.

Is it really so inconceivable that this was, y'know, a BAD GUY who acted on his own?  Have you read his manifesto?

Oh, right, it's a fake manifesto on a fake website that was carefully designed to be discovered by the media several days after the event.  Or he was mind-controlled into writing it.  Sorry, silly me.  The fact that his website is hosted in Russia should have been a dead giveaway.

You want a conspiracy theory?  How about a conspiracy to discredit the RKBA movement?  Don't tell me you're not part of it.  Heck, you couldn't be expected to know that you're part of it, could you?  That's how mind control works.

I did read it. One thing that stood out to me was that he called people that move to the northwest (redoubt area) cowards for running away, instead of standing to fight. I don't agree with his racial rantings, but I see his point on that. For example, I could move out there whenever I want. I have the money to make the move and could find a job very quickly, but wouldn't it be better if I could (and DO) contribute to waking up as many people as possible where I am now?