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Re: How to increase public approval for the police state
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2015, 03:43:00 pm »


They have hit their first brick wall. it is time to let things cool down before they try to break through that wall, but they will, some day, and then they will start again.

Seriously I'm not trying to sound insulting when I say this, but does the word "defeatist" sound too harsh?

It is my contention that the police hierarchy have deliberately twisted all this into a "race thing", when it is absolutely not that!  It is about people in general being fed up with police bullying, killing, arrogance and demanding, tantrum throwing, killing (did I say killing?), general corruption and belief that they are "above" the constitution (and generally ignorant of it anyway) plus many other things (which I can't bring to mind right now).

The PTB (police hierarchy, politicians with the cooperation of the mainstream media) have deliberately "stirred this up" - including police in Ferguson doing things like "blocking fire fighters from trying to save local businesses, and refusing to 'allow' people to have a means of self defence in Ferguson) SO THAT PEOPLE WILL BE SHOUTING "WE NEED THE POLICE, AND WE WILL ACCEPT THEM ABSOLUTELY AS THEY ARE AND NOT COMPLAIN, BECAUSE THEY DO A VALUABLE JOB, A DANGEROUS JOB, AND THEY KEEP US SAFE"  Are we not seeing comments like this on stories where it mentions a policeman, already?

This is like a mini-9.11 for the police.  Just as "after 9.11" all of a sudden there were myriads of people all clamouring for "more powers for the PTB, less 'rights' for us" and then (not just America, but most of the world) was bombarded with "new safety measures everywhere - "security cameras" everywhere, ID demanded everywhere, mass surveillance, etc. etc.  So I guess next we will see police around the country being issued with bazookas to patrol childrens' playgrounds with and all sorts of fancy weaponry to have with them all the time and traffic police being issued with, and wearing, body armour when they are patrolling the highways, in tanks of course - never just cars, and people absolutely approving and applauding these things.  Very soon, if this continues, I expect that people will be "lining up" to be lead to safety by "selfless, hardworking, brave" policemen.

And I'm still totally puzzled as to why the incident in Ferguson was the catalyst for rioting coz far bigger atrocities have been committed recently by the police on the people, far more outrageous, and ones that would lend themselves to hundred of emotionally spun articles, and evoke lots more public sympathy.  As I said before, if people want to riot, all they need to do for the "reason" is to read this board and pick one incident, just one would do.  Anyone got any clues about that?
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Re: How to increase public approval for the police state
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2015, 03:49:08 pm »

Just remember that when I made that remark, unlike certain "stormfront" or "neo nazi" type people out there, I also very strictly mentioned that the race war is going to be as bullshit as the war between the young pissed off at being sold down river and paying to maintain old folks, and the old, who want what is "due" to them after a lifetime of government obeisance.

So to put it in a short line... the race war will be a bait and switch in typically successful machiavellian fashion.

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Re: How to increase public approval for the police state
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2015, 03:10:26 am »

Maybe this should go in with the "bolthole" topic, this article it is, after all, basically saying that the PTB have realised that the country is about to wake up and see all the crimes they have committed, and all the loot they have gained at the expense of the people, and rise up and hold them to account.  And making the new enemy "domestic terrorists" (which is not defined very well, could be a lot of groups - just about everyone here for a start) is to be used as the major justification for cranking up the militarisation of the police and have people applaud it.  The article:

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/01/30/nypd-launches-plan-to-deal-with-protests-arm-police-with-long-rifles-machines-guns-and-extra-protective-gear/

Murders reached a historic low in NYC for 2014; overall crime was down across the board by nearly 5%; hell, even the holiday slowdown didn’t really lead to any additional crime. So clearly, now is the time when NYC really needs to implement a new anti-terrorism program which would empower a team of NYPD officers to roam around the city carrying machine guns. What could go wrong?

This new squad will be used to investigate and combat terrorist plots, lone wolf terrorists, and… protests. “It is designed for dealing with events like our recent protests, or incidents like Mumbai or what just happened in Paris,” Bratton said, according to CBS.

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It also contains these gems:

The morphing of “terrorism” and “domestic dissent” into an all encompassing and convenient category known as “domestic terrorists” or “domestic extremists” has been a long time coming. It has always been my contention, and continues to be, that the oligarchs who have funneled all of the wealth to themselves since the 2008 banker bailouts know exactly what they are doing. They also know that it will eventually result in severe domestic unrest during the next cyclical downturn. As such, the agenda has been to utilize the entirety of the intelligence-industrial-military complex created by the “war on terror” against the domestic population once it recognizes how badly it has been looted.
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The vast majority of people simply refuse to believe any of the above. They will remain in denial until the very moment at which denial becomes an impossibility. By that point it might be too late.
The NYPD clearly knows what’s coming and is rapidly preparing itself for the years ahead. As the Gothamist notes, crime has been plunging in New York City, yet the NYPD appears to be gearing up for Mad Max levels of unrest. Why? Because the thieves at the top know exactly what they have done.
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Meanwhile, police across the nation as so afraid of the plebs, they are calling for Congress to categorize attacks on police as “hate crimes.” See the following from Yahoo:
In the wake of the murder of two New York City police officers and a national debate about policing, the National Fraternal Order of Police is asking for the Congressional hate crimes statute to be expanded to include crimes against police officers. The union has more than 300,000 members.
Violence against police officers that is motivated by anti-police bias should be prosecuted as a hate crime, the nation’s largest police union is arguing in a letter to President Barack Obama and Congressional leaders this week.
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Re: How to increase public approval for the police state
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2015, 10:41:39 pm »

More cop training like this is needed
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Re: How to increase public approval for the police state
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2015, 11:47:32 pm »

This puzzles me.

Lets say that I am a law. Lets also say that I'm a rotten bastard.

Let us also acknowledge that the vast majority of laws never shoot their gun in anger, much less kill anyone.

Shooting people, even when the law in question is absolved of guilt, is a very bad thing to have in one's personnel file.

Most street laws and all the upper echelon have a horror of "Dirty Harry Syndrome" in their troops.

{Have you ever noticed that if you're watching a cop show and one of the laws is a gun person, he will inevitably turn out to be crooked, a vigilante killer or unstable?

Where do you think that much of that attitude comes from? Police technical consultants go back at least as far as the old "Dragnet" series…}

So yeah, if I'm a law and I have even the flimsiest pretext, I can probably commit murder and get away with it—19 times out of 20.

{Not talking reasonable shootings here.}

Even if I get away with it, my life will be turned upside down for six months or more. I may go to trial. I will probably have an unofficial de facto bad mark on my record…

And if I'm the 20th, there goes my job, my pension and I may be doing time in gaol.

I should think that most laws would refrain from shooting people if it could be avoided for one of the same reasons that I don't go looking for an excuse to shoot someone…

I don't want to go to gaol.




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Re: How to increase public approval for the police state
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2015, 06:30:12 am »

No, RVM45, it doesn't work that way. And it won't until ALL government employees are held to the exact same (or higher) standards of the law as everyone else. And when the government doesn't get to investigate themselves in a totally closed echo chamber. Not to mention the outright lies, manipulation and ulterior motives.

Police murderers, thieves and perverts very seldom face any real consequences, let alone the full weight of the "law" they so enthusiastically "enforce."
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Re: How to increase public approval for the police state
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2015, 10:54:08 am »

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hrslleo08st.pdf

They are getting huge......

But there is this report (From one of the usual suspects) that may counter that?

http://ric-zai-inc.com/Publications/cops-p199-pub.pdf

So where the sheep might be wanting the police, they are now having problems finding the right kind. Have they reached "Peak Blue" and expanded to supply limits and the skill set is becoming a scarcity?
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Re: How to increase public approval for the police state
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2015, 06:27:36 am »

Let us also acknowledge that the vast majority of laws never shoot their gun in anger, much less kill anyone.

Shooting people, even when the law in question is absolved of guilt, is a very bad thing to have in one's personnel file.

Most street laws and all the upper echelon have a horror of "Dirty Harry Syndrome" in their troops.
So yeah, if I'm a law and I have even the flimsiest pretext, I can probably commit murder and get away with it—19 times out of 20.

{Not talking reasonable shootings here.}

Even if I get away with it, my life will be turned upside down for six months or more. I may go to trial. I will probably have an unofficial de facto bad mark on my record…

And if I'm the 20th, there goes my job, my pension and I may be doing time in gaol.

I should think that most laws would refrain from shooting people if it could be avoided for one of the same reasons that I don't go looking for an excuse to shoot someone…

I don't want to go to gaol.

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But ... but ... (lots of "buts") the facts don't add up to the above.  First, "the vast majority don't ever shoot their gun in anger" etc.  Well, that just sounds like one of the "comments" from "a law abiding citizen" that seem to appear below lots of "anti-police" articles.  If it IS true, that "the vast majority ....." (and it sure doesn't seem like that figure is true) then "the vast majority" is definitely guilty of standing around doing nothing to stop their more psychopathic colleagues from killing.

"Horror of Dirty Harry syndrome", I though they admired that and strived for it.  It certainly seems to be that way.  However, I think now it has gone far beyond "dirty Harry syndrome", I think it really should be called "psychopathic cop or crazy killer/control freak syndrome" or "cop with a violent streak and delusions of grandeur syndrome" (i.e. "delusions of grandeur" because these cops seem to think that the public should bow down and worship them, and if a mundane will not fawn before them they just might kill him, they have this great power).

Do you really think that cops are worried about what is "on their personal file"?  Like it is a bad thing to have a shooting/killing on your personal file.

As for the rest of it.  There's no accountability for state servants, particularly police, they do not have to meet the same standards as the rest of us.  When cops do go to gaol for killing a  member of the public it is usually because they have upset someone in the higher echelons of the police as well.  Upsetting the police hierarchy is more to be feared than killing members of the public.
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