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[Rarick]

Nope a imagined suggestion.  people didn't do it, but I think it would be a nice point to make about the fact they are dealing with other pros, who know how to operate........  Like when fighter pilots use the radars of their planes.  The ECM on both sides knows the difference between a regular scan and a lock on for missile guidance......   The photo would give that missile lock signal.

[Elias Alias]

Nope a imagined suggestion.  people didn't do it, but I think it would be a nice point to make about the fact they are dealing with other pros, who know how to operate........  Like when fighter pilots use the radars of their planes.  The ECM on both sides knows the difference between a regular scan and a lock on for missile guidance......   The photo would give that missile lock signal.

Which itself is a good idea, for sure. It reminds me of the BLM thugs pointing scoped sniper rifles at the Bundy family in their own damn yard. The bastards freaked when then discovered that we had special forces snipers there on the Bundys' side, lol.  They told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that they were scared when they saw the cowboys and their pals with the same arms the BLM had, lol.

So these events are peak events which will mark 2014 in American folk history. And right now I'm working with a movie called MIDNIGHT RIDE (alluding to Paul Revere's midnight ride:

https://eliasalias.com/2014/11/23/oath-keepers-saddle-up-for-midnight-ride/

.... which is about the four types of martial law. We now can see pre-positioning of military assets across SmallTown America in preparation for just that. The movie will blow that crap right out of the water, as it's backed by the incredibly-awesome research in Dr. Edwin Vieira's newest bombshell book, "By Tyranny Out Of Necessity: The Bastardy Of Martial Law".

And all of that has to do with MindWar as laid out by the 7th Psychological Operations Group of the U.S. Army in 1980: "From Psy-Op To MindWar". I've got that pdf, have had it for about five years, and used it in my expose of General Vallely's BS, in case anyone wants to wade through a fifteen-thousand word essay on the matter.

https://eliasalias.com/2014/05/05/reflections-on-oas/

These are the things which make me think that it's time for a "Mental Militia", for we're truly in a war for the minds of the people. I could see that back in 1999 when I offered our study group/discussion group, which included scarmig and others, like 2A who I think is still a member here, the idea of calling ourselves "The Mental Militia". And that is why Claire put my dumb ass on the dedication page of her book, The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook.

I have watched as this place devolved in activity. MamaLiberty wrote to me the other day and said I might be missed here so I came in here and could not contain myself any longer. I see a huge potential in TMM, and if this place does not want to carry that ball, I'll do what I think needs to be done elsewhere, namely at my own site. I am sure that there is a wide and diverse audience out there for the sort of intel I've collected over the years -- look toward the bottom of that long article I linked above. NSA spying, militarization of police, economic uncertainty, wars abroad, corporate fascism and cultural marxism, IRS scandals, Fast and Furious scandals, Benghazi -- all sorts of psy-ops being perpetrated upon the American people to cause them to willingly give up their Constitutionally protected unalienable rights to freedom and self-ownership, including this insane war on drugs and the most blasphemous of all, the so-called "War on Terrorism". We here have a venue to start organizing a "meaning" behind all that sort of stuff, but the venue is withering on the vine. If members here feel impressed that they want to actually do something about it, I think I've got the key to a much more vibrant community of message-senders and popular intel-operators which is grassroots, libertarian in nature, and fearless in how our knowledge is voiced. That could be done -- this place can be transformed with very little work, and I'm fighting here for minutes in which to lay out my plan. My problem is the same problem I've had for the past five and a half years -- I support myself by working for Oath Keepers, and that is quite a full time job, to say the least. I've not even had time to lay in a bunch of articles at my new site which  I've already written.

I've got more to say, and shall as I can get time to come back here and carry on with this discussion. Meantime, I've got to write a piece for Oath Keepers, get it posted at our site, and blast it out to our membership list.

Sorry to unload on you and go off all over the place with this reply, which was intended when I started it to just be a comment in reply to your post. That's another problem I've learned to live with, and must ask others to forgive or tolerate if they can. Sheesh!

Salute!
Elias

[Rarick]

No problem.  It carries on a FINE tradition.........go Articulate....

[da gooch]

I get that money as a paid employee of a Nevada corporation named Oath Keepers, which would probably be paying Gooch too had he stayed in the saddle long enough. I worked for free for Oath Keepers for several years and paid some of Oath Keepers costs out of my own pocket.

I fell out of "the saddle" when my pockets went empty and there was no offer of financial assistance from either the Board or the Organization. I spent my savings and could no longer be helpful due to poverty.  Sorry about that.

I am glad I was instrumental in getting the organization off the ground here in Texas and Nationally as well. I am glad to have contributed to the "Policies" of the Organization and I continue to maintain my OK presence here in my small Texas town. (photographic verification is available here on TMM in this OK section.)

After I "retired" from the Board of Directors my membership on the forum was scrubbed and after Many efforts to get it reinstated (as a "regular" member by myself many times and by another current Arkansas Board member) I gave up on being "involved" even online since I had been effectively (if not in reality) "banned" from using the site.

I sincerely do wish I could afford to be as helpful as I was once upon a time. Oh Well, wishes in one hand and (fill in the blank) in the other. Which one fills first?

I still have not been able to acquire finances enough to be able to install either a cable connection or a satelite connection (with their attendant monthly charges) so I am still stuck on dial-up. Even that was gone for a period of time as my finances didn't allow for "extras". I have been able to work my odd jobs back up to where I can at least have the "swimming in rocks" speed of a dial-up connection.

"In the wake of Monday’s grand jury announcement, Oath Keepers put out a national request to members to help in Ferguson."

I guess that shows me just how "in the loop" I am with OK these days. Not. One. Peep.
(snip snip snip)


Meanwhile, if there are any other links to this Oath Keeper sighting I would appreciate their being brought to us here at TMM. Where Oath Keepers was created.....

Okay Gooch, looping you in now. Pay attention, okay?

 snip snip snip snip snip

There are more on our front page at oathkeepers.org

I spoke with Stewart today by phone. He is now back in Montana, enroute to Idaho next. The chief of police at St. Louis has sent word he wants to talk. Our attorneys and Stewart will be on the line with him. We are not backing down. All statute law has to be pursuant to the Constitution, and we mean to make that point. Armed guests of business owners who are not being paid are perfectly legal under the Constitution, and if the Chief of Police wants to make a big deal out of it, he's in for a legal battle the tax payers in St. Louis may not want to finance. We'll see.

Meanwhile, they're flooding into membership at Oath Keepers, and donations are coming in very nicely due to the national publicity we've just had.

I think that The Mental Militia could, and should, be reaping harvests like that, but if we go for it, we'll lose the "private oasis" which many here want to keep, so I'll content myself with doing it for Oath Keepers.

Be safe and well there, Amigo. I hope you get better online connections soon.
Salute!
Elias

It is good to hear from you again my friend. Looong time no speakee.

For those links I thank you but must once again point out that my connection will not allow videos.
(Not enough bandwidth or speed or something for the videos to download before the connection closes down for "inactivity".) (taking too long buffering?)

The text articles I can read and when I get time (something I know you will understand) I will make an attempt to get caught up with the reading.

I have not given up hope on or for Oath Keepers. I am just poor and cannot do the things that a National Organization needs done from my little town in south Texas.

If you can get my lifetime membership on the forum reinstated I would appreciate it very much.
I don't know and don't care how or why I was removed but I sure enough was. (Probably to cancel my admin status on the boards.)
IF I could access the forum I might be able to be helpful and current again.

It's good to hear from you.

stay safe,

gooch

[jamie]

Yeah I was I think one of the first 20 or thirty people to sign up for O-K , sent them a hundred dollar donation. It was like it never happened.

A few years later I thought well, I shouldn't let that bother me. So I e mailed the state guy, never heard anything. So that's that.

[slidemansailor]

I have an image of Elias, Stewart and some others as busy as one-armed-paper-hangers... individually doing good stuff, but limiting the capabilities of Oath Keepers because they have so few entrusted to act in official capacities.

Of course many organizations working for liberty allow one wrong person into a cadre position who kills the reputation for all of them.  We know the rulers have full-time employees working to discredit us any way they can. They pose quite a destructive threat, so caution is wise.

It is a dang rare organization that doesn't find significant barriers to their success.

This is in a large part why I think a locally-grown posse is the right model. The individuals are know-able, trust can be earned within a posse and between posses.   

description: http://www.bitterrootbugle.com/neighborhood-posse/

[Elias Alias]

Yeah I was I think one of the first 20 or thirty people to sign up for O-K , sent them a hundred dollar donation. It was like it never happened.

A few years later I thought well, I shouldn't let that bother me. So I e mailed the state guy, never heard anything. So that's that.

Hey Jamie,
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. That's awful. What State are you in?

Salute!
Elias

[jamie]

Yeah I was I think one of the first 20 or thirty people to sign up for O-K , sent them a hundred dollar donation. It was like it never happened.

A few years later I thought well, I shouldn't let that bother me. So I e mailed the state guy, never heard anything. So that's that.

Hey Jamie,
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. That's awful. What State are you in?

Salute!
Elias

Nevada. But no worries Elias. Thanks for the concern.

Since then I joined the local VFW chapter. After two meetings I was cured of organizations.

[Elias Alias]

Yeah I was I think one of the first 20 or thirty people to sign up for O-K , sent them a hundred dollar donation. It was like it never happened.

A few years later I thought well, I shouldn't let that bother me. So I e mailed the state guy, never heard anything. So that's that.

Hey Jamie,
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. That's awful. What State are you in?

Salute!
Elias

Nevada. But no worries Elias. Thanks for the concern.

Since then I joined the local VFW chapter. After two meetings I was cured of organizations.

<grin> Heh! Good answer, Jamie. Know what you mean. Just keep an open mind about Oath Keepers. Things do change, eh?

Salute!
Elias

[da gooch]

Still attempting, and not accomplishing, to find time enough to sit and read items that take f-o-r-e-v-e-r to load and occasionally even require my joining a website to be able to read them. Nope sorry not that involved at this point.

Thanks again for all of the links. I do hope that some of our TMM members were able to dig through and enjoy reading them.

stay safe

[StillaGhost]

Call it a rhetorical suggestion for a solution........a camera and spotting scope would do just as well. A solid Psychological gut punch......

 
 
     All due respect Elias , but on this issue , if it happened then those who were involved will be keeping their mouths shut into perpetuity about it , that way the trick may be useable again at some nebulous future date. And the ptb has nobody to make an example of.
 
  And the whole concept of running around setting up " hides" right in front of the folks that you're purportedly " worried about" is ludicrous to the nth degree.Lets just say that their tactics suck........

So you're just saying that it would have been a good idea, but you're not saying that it actually happened, is that right? If it happened, I'd have to have a source to cite before I could publish it, so that is why I asked. You stated it as if it were fact, but now I see that you were simply fantasizing. That's cool.

Salute!
Elias
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[DiabloLoco]

Here we go again! Obviously, the reporter and/or organization is against OKers.

Heavily armed 'Oath Keepers' inject disquieting element in Ferguson
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/heavily-armed-oath-keepers-inject-unease-riot-hit-085709866.html

FERGUSON, Mo. (Reuters) - Four white men carrying military-style rifles and sidearms added a disquieting element to riot-torn Ferguson, Missouri, when they began patrolling the streets before dawn on Tuesday, which police quickly labeled "inflammatory."
The men said they were part of a group called "Oath Keepers," which describes itself as a non-partisan association of current and former U.S. soldiers, police and first responders who aim to protect the U.S. Constitution. They told reporters on the street that they were in Ferguson to protect a media organization.
The men attracted immediate attention in the mostly black neighborhood, which exploded into violence on Sunday night as protesters marked the one-year anniversary of the killing of an unarmed black teen by police.

Well....That's all fine and dandy, but then they added this-

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit civil rights organization, has described the "Oath Keepers" as a "fiercely anti-government, militaristic group," and St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar condemned their appearance in Ferguson.
"Their presence was both unnecessary and inflammatory," he said, adding that police would work with county prosecutors to see if the men had broken any laws.

[DiabloLoco]

And here's another Oker related article!

Armed 'constitutional advocates' defend Montana mine
http://www.kulr8.com/story/29722592/armed-constitutional-advocates-defend-montana-mine

LINCOLN, Mont. (AP) - Members of armed groups that call themselves constitutional advocates have arrived in Lincoln to support an owner during an ongoing dispute with the U.S. Forest Service concerning a federal mining claim.

The Helena Independent Record reports (http://bit.ly/1KSdzeu) members of the groups Oath Keepers, Pacific Patriot Network and 3% of Idaho have come to Lincoln to begin a security operation at the White Hope Mine east of the mountain town.

The groups say that the mine claim George Kornec holds predates 1955 regulations that granted surface rights to the Forest Service and instead falls under an 1872 law that would grant both surface and subsurface rights to Kornec.

The Forest Service says Kornec abandoned his claim when he missed a filing deadline 1986, meaning the claim is now regulated under 1955 laws.

This story has been corrected to show that the Forest Service says the claim is regulated in 1955 laws.

[FDD]

Here we go again! Obviously, the reporter and/or organization is against OKers.

Heavily armed 'Oath Keepers' inject disquieting element in Ferguson
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/heavily-armed-oath-keepers-inject-unease-riot-hit-085709866.html

FERGUSON, Mo. (Reuters) - Four white men carrying military-style rifles and sidearms added a disquieting element to riot-torn Ferguson, Missouri, when they began patrolling the streets before dawn on Tuesday, which police quickly labeled "inflammatory."
The men said they were part of a group called "Oath Keepers," which describes itself as a non-partisan association of current and former U.S. soldiers, police and first responders who aim to protect the U.S. Constitution. They told reporters on the street that they were in Ferguson to protect a media organization.
The men attracted immediate attention in the mostly black neighborhood, which exploded into violence on Sunday night as protesters marked the one-year anniversary of the killing of an unarmed black teen by police.

Well....That's all fine and dandy, but then they added this-

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit civil rights organization, has described the "Oath Keepers" as a "fiercely anti-government, militaristic group," and St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar condemned their appearance in Ferguson.
"Their presence was both unnecessary and inflammatory," he said, adding that police would work with county prosecutors to see if the men had broken any laws.

Isn't the Oathkeepers a police Org.?

And why would anyone listen to the SPLC?
They are the biggest racist group in the US.

[Lenny]

I'm as anarcho-capitalist as ever; I fully get that homeowners and shopkeepers have a right to expect not to be vandalized, arsonized, and robbed...

But in the context of a city where the corrupt police force has been milking the black population like farm animals, and where they murdered Michael Brown a year ago, it's clear what message is sent when an armed force shows up to keep the black people in line, right?

When I heard that OKers were in Ferguson (and came here to check into that), I entertained the faint hope that they were there to protect protestors from the police.