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Re: Just a question
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2014, 02:02:37 pm »

Mouse your last reply prompted me to, well, reply.

"Like - say - if you walked down to a local shop no more than two miles away or if you went out hunting or walking your dog."

I can think of several state (PA) laws that require you to have ID and present it when asked.  The first being if you are hunting.  Presumably to prove you are the individual that the hunting license you are displaying claims you are.  The same hold true for fishing.  Both are, of course, based on you doing these activities is a circumstance that requires you to have a hunting/fishing license.  There are exceptions.

The second is if you are in a bar or restaurant that serves alcohol.  If LCB (Liquor Control Board) shows up for an inspection and you have a drink you must be able to prove your age.  They can fine you if you cant.  There used to be a form here you could fill out if you did not have ID in a bar that certified you were of legal age.  This absolved the bar of  responsibility and provided an avenue of "ENHANCED" prosecution if you were found to have been lying of said form.

Sadly they did away with said form and made it the sole responsibility of the bar and its employees to discern if you were in fact old enough to drink.  So if you were in my bar and got caught underage drinking you got a minor fine and I got a $5000 fine for letting you drink there. The bar got an even an even bigger one but I don't remember how much that one was.

So under LCB regulations the ONLY ID that was acceptable was a state issued ID (complete) with a poster to show what every state' ID actually looked like and the right to refuse to serve you for any reason whatsoever. .
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Re: Just a question
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2014, 06:56:05 am »

Any time I leave the house, I grab my wallet, keys, glasses, watch, etc.  I unload them in the same place when I get home.  My lady drops her crap in random places when she comes home, thus she frequently "loses" her keys.

Any time I leave the house, I am probably driving, which means I need my ID, which is in my wallet.

The train thing...  Since 911, any form of travel seems to be subject to government scrutiny.  In the old cowboy movies, the conductor always asked to see your tickets.  Nowadays your ticket includes all your personal info, much like plane tickets always did (at least I think they probably do, I don't travel by train).  So it may be that like producing a ticket, producing ID on a train serves to prove that you are the ticketed passenger and not a bad guy working for SPECTER.

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Re: Just a question
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2014, 08:05:33 am »

Any time I leave the house, I grab my wallet, keys, glasses, watch, etc.  I unload them in the same place when I get home.  My lady drops her crap in random places when she comes home, thus she frequently "loses" her keys.

Any time I leave the house, I am probably driving, which means I need my ID, which is in my wallet.

The train thing...  Since 911, any form of travel seems to be subject to government scrutiny.  In the old cowboy movies, the conductor always asked to see your tickets.  Nowadays your ticket includes all your personal info, much like plane tickets always did (at least I think they probably do, I don't travel by train).  So it may be that like producing a ticket, producing ID on a train serves to prove that you are the ticketed passenger and not a bad guy working for SPECTER.

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Re: Just a question
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2014, 10:12:19 am »

Any time I leave the house, I grab my wallet, keys, glasses, watch, etc.  I unload them in the same place when I get home.  My lady drops her crap in random places when she comes home, thus she frequently "loses" her keys.

Any time I leave the house, I am probably driving, which means I need my ID, which is in my wallet.

The train thing...  Since 911, any form of travel seems to be subject to government scrutiny.  In the old cowboy movies, the conductor always asked to see your tickets.  Nowadays your ticket includes all your personal info, much like plane tickets always did (at least I think they probably do, I don't travel by train).  So it may be that like producing a ticket, producing ID on a train serves to prove that you are the ticketed passenger and not a bad guy working for SPECTER.

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Tho to be honest any S.P.E.C.T.E.R agent worth his garrote wire watch would have his papers and british accent in order. 

P.S.  5 bonus points for anyone that actually remembers what the acronym  specter stands for...no cheating now.
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Re: Just a question
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2014, 03:55:01 am »

a bad guy working for SPECTER.

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Or CHAOS
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Re: Just a question
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2014, 10:37:14 am »

As a previous poster noted, the Supreme Court determined that the Police, in the course of an investigation, can ask a person to identify herself (joke: pull out a pocket mirror, look at it and say "Yep, that's me!). A "official" ID isn't mandated and the person could just state his name and home address or possibly name and birthday. If the investigation involves something that requires "official" ID (driving, hunting, buying alcohol, etc) the cops can demand to see the person's "official" ID.

Oddly, many people believe that an ID is needed to take a commercial flight but that isn't the case. You will just get to go through "enhanced" security (wand, pat-down).

However, the same isn't true for Amtrack (from http://www.amtrak.com/passenger-identification):

Passenger Identification

Amtrak has undertaken heightened security measures for the benefit of our customers.

Valid Photo Identification Required

Photo ID Required
Amtrak customers 18 years of age and older must produce valid photo identification when:

Obtaining, exchanging or refunding tickets
Storing baggage at stations
Checking baggage
Sending Amtrak Express shipments
Onboard trains, in response to a request by an Amtrak employee
Please note that unaccompanied children 16 - 17 must also produce valid photo ID when purchasing tickets, obtaining travel documents and checking baggage.

Random Ticket/ID Checks
Following federal Transportation Security Administration (TSA) guidelines, we regularly conduct random ticket verification checks onboard trains to ensure that passengers are properly ticketed. Please be prepared to show valid photo identification to a member of the onboard crew upon request.

What is a Valid ID?
To be valid, your identification must be current and in-force. The following forms of identification are acceptable for persons 18 and older:

One piece of photo identification issued by a government authority, or
Two pieces of identification, at least one of which is issued by a government authority
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Re: Just a question
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2014, 11:01:33 am »

However, the same isn't true for Amtrack (from http://www.amtrak.com/passenger-identification):

Don't know about the rest of the country, but passenger train travel is not even possible where I live. There ain't no such animal.
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Re: Just a question
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2014, 11:44:33 am »

Any time I leave the house, I grab my wallet, keys, glasses, watch, etc.  I unload them in the same place when I get home.  My lady drops her crap in random places when she comes home, thus she frequently "loses" her keys.

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Think your lady and mine must be related!
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Re: Just a question
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2014, 02:00:55 am »

I carry my driving license with me all time time, mostly so I don't have to remember anything should I need it. Not having it when stopped for a traffic violation is a big deal in the US. Which is weird, since the cop probably looks at your driving license info, including photo, on his in-car computer screen before coming to your door.

I always have it, but I rarely need it. They wanted to see it, and my credit card, to check in to the hotel I'm staying at. They'll ask for it when cashing a check at the bank, but I usually deposit checks into the ATM, or photograph them with the bank app on my phone.

Correct, when I got pulled over in someone else's car for a violation their car committed, I was okay until they ran MY license.  It probably said "hey, this is the asshole who keeps raising hell about us cracking heads, so crack his piggy bank!!  And his head, if you can!"  Pig's attitude changed immediately upon coming back.  He was rude and commanding (probably a rogue cop in training) but moments after he came back with "my" license (is it really mine?) his buddies started pouring in and he looked much more ready for trouble.  They accomplished their goal, and I must say I wasn't as prepared for the thugscrum as I thought I'd be.  Rehearsing shit by campfire with freedomistas isn't the same as having real rogue cops and intimidating cops (pigs at this point of the conversation) pointing guns at you and just looking for an excuse to rumble.

Its been "papieren bitte" for a long time.  The amoricons just don't see it.  Those of us who in the higher half of the 3 digit western IQ rating system, can probably piece it together, especially those like me who've seen it elsewhere, and not in movies, mind you.
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Re: Just a question
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2015, 10:59:50 pm »

i've been asked for ID by cops quite a few times when I was not driving, and had I not provided same, I'd probably have been arrested on some "charge" or other. Yes,  you might get released by a magistrate,  3-4 days later, after having been subjected to some real horrors for that long (in a lot of cases) in the county jail.
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