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Re: IT WASN'T MUSLIMS
« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2009, 11:37:26 am »

1) Bringing our troops home implies that our troops are "over there". I would submit that they are over there because of 9/11. Without 9/11, there would be no "justifiable" motive to establish permanent U.S. military bases in the middle-east. (There could, without 9/11 having happened, be only the unmasked, candid greed to dominate and control the resources (oil) there - which is of course "why" we're there doing what we're doing. So 9/11 plays a very important and centrally "root" pretext for U.S. troops being in Iraq and Afghanistan. That represents a "hint" for discriminant minds.


Elias- I have but one more thing to bring up on this point. We have had troops in Germany, Japan, Korea, and MANY other places since way  before 9-11. I would bring them home too. First, because although I suppose that our original objective in stationing them in those places was to prevent wars from breaking out, that has only prevented wars from breaking out THERE, but meanwhile hundreds or thousands of wars have taken place everywhere else. We can't AND SHOULDN'T station troops everywhere in hopes that the whole world will plant flowers, paint peace symbols on everything and sing "I'd like to buy the world a Coke". It ain't gonna happen. Not to mention that the attempt is one large factor in the financial mess we are currently in. It started about 100 years ago, and the "Century of American Intervention", to coin a phrase,  should die now.
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« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2009, 04:47:39 am »


Responding to livinright and quoting him from the previous page:
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Frankly stating that 9/11 truth has it's uses, to be sure. Yet I feel they fall short on full awareness for the masses. A downfall with "organizations" everywhere, as we've seen. I have asked many truthers on their sights for a healthy individual follow through once they get this knowledge, and many just don't seem to have one. Those who say that they are prepared, still unwittingly pass well placed propaganda, words of real aggression, and ultimate fear and helplessness to those they feed. This scares me. To no end. Also, I just love people, despite themselves. I wish everyone good fortune and good lives. And they can have it if they so choose. I only wish more would choose.......for all of our sakes.

That's a pretty good mouthful there. Allow me to focus first on your notation regarding this part -  "Those who say that they are prepared, still unwittingly pass well placed propaganda, words of real aggression, and ultimate fear and helplessness to those they feed."

It scares me too. I see it often, even among truthers here in Montana. I see an example of precedent, which goes something like this - back in the late 1940s and throughout the 1950s the Beat Generation was born and did grow into a bit of a movement which we today call "the beatnik movement". The beatniks, such as Burroughs, Ginsberg, Neal Cassidy, et al, had latched onto a very serious observation about human/social evolution. Suddenly, with the dropping of Atomic bombs to end WWII, the "awake" and "aware" intellectuals realized that for the first time in history mankind now possessed the means with which the entire world could be destroyed. They realized that the least-psychologically sound people in our social order were the idiots who had their fingers poised over the "red button" - politicians. They realized that those idiot politicians were lobbied by powerful corporate entities. There was very real reason for intense concern about that situation.

So the consciousness spread around the country, largely through jazz music, blues music, and later it seeped into other music venues and finally out into the fringes of the average culture. It became the beatnik movement. And as soon as it took root, it bore an unforeseen fruit - the all-American Hippy.  The hippy subculture spread largely on the heels of two remarkable drivers - the birth of psychedelic music and opposition to the Vietnam war. Soon, college campuses were ablaze with an anti-war fervor and from their campuses the consciousness spread out into communities in all social strata. And as soon as Wall Street saw what was burgeoning, Wall Street hooked it and took it to the side. Soon enough, by 1970 or thereabouts, even Sears was selling halter-tops and bell-bottom jeans, and across America your middle-class housewife was sporting halter tops, buying incense even if they did not smoke pot, hanging macramé plant holders from living room ceilings, hanging strung beads in doorways, and hanging Jimi Hendrix  posters on den walls and etc. And as soon as middle-class America bought into the hippy movement, which had already diluted the message of the beatnik movement, the initial power of the original idea behind the hippy subculture became so watered down that by 1978 it was easily replaced by something senseless but sensual - "Disco". From there Hollywood and Wall Street stabbed to death any residual meaning in the hippy movement, just as the hippy movement had overshadowed the beatnik movement.

It has to do with giving truth to the masses. The mass mind, as Bernays aptly pointed out in 1928, is a whole 'nuther kind of critter than an individual mind. The mass mind functions through, and is governed by, totally different factors than is the individual mind. I think that the truth is that there is never any hope for the masses. But I also am certain that there is always hope for the individual within any mass, should said individual awaken to his inherent attributes as a self-owning human soul. It is something similar to the vision which prompted Jesus to say that [paraphrasing here] "broad and wide is the path which leadeth to destruction, and many there be who go therein; but straight and narrow is the path which leadeth to salvation, and few there be who find it.". I think truth, truth about any thing, is valuable to an individual, but is not so valuable to mankind in mass. I'm sure you follow me on this, right?

So my focus remains firmly anchored in my own individual perception, my own understanding, my own research and knowledge, my own intuition and vision. I fully realize that I can share some things with some individuals, but that what I see these days will never be embraced by the masses. And I can name several primary reasons why that is so, but I won't go into all that here, for time constraints. I'd work for ten years if I were able to only give what I see to one fully-awakened soul. But I won't work for ten minutes to try to give this to the average American today, for the average American does not want to see, does not want to become personally responsible for himself, does not want to wake up from his comfortable sleep-states. He is a willing or an unwitting dupe of the mass mind, with little motive to look behind the curtain.

I think our nation's Founders knew well what I'm trying to express here, for they conducted the Revolution in full knowledge that most Colonists did not care one whit whether they lived their lives under British rule or under some newly-created alternate system of governance. Another example of that is embodied in the history of Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky, who knew full well that it was not necessary to educate the Russian public prior to starting the Bolshevik Revolution. A very small segment of society is known to be able to execute successful revolutions, and so it is with my vision of the 9/11 Truth revolution.

The media will never admit its role in covering up the truth of 9/11, and will never ask the important questions regarding that day, for known reasons. The alternate media is abuzz with those questions, but they cannot compete for the public mind because the public mind is already hypnotized by the mainstream media - which is of course why the conspiracy has always sought to control media. (Recall what was entered into the 1917 Congressional Record about J.P. Morgan literally researching how to take over the American press and learning that all he needed to control were the top 25 newspapers in order to "influence generally the American press". Why would Morgan want to control the media? Of course, you and I know exactly why, but I am quite sure that the masses shall never wonder why, if they even hear about that.)

So my hope is not that the world shall soon awaken and thank all of us who've sacrificed our very lives by fighting for all we're worth to get this truth out to the people, but instead my hope is that I'll have the blessing of having helped at least one other person to awaken to his own inner self, which of course is prerequisite to understanding how the world of politics and governance works. Once awakened, a soul needs no "leaders", and once a soul sees that clearly, that soul is empowered to trust itself over any outside authority. I have had positive input from several people who've thanked me for taking time to go over my "theories" with them, and I'm pleased with that, even though I've not done one damn thing to fortify the "9/11 Truth Movement" per se. To me, my ultimate responsibility is to awaken myself first, then lovingly share what I can to the degree that someone might be willing to listen. That is all I can do, and is perhaps all any 9/11 Truther can expect from this life. But that is, after all, the most important thing in this life - awakening to the self.

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As far as your question about me and my friends, that's just what it is. We are a non-organization I guess you could say. I am blessed to have some of the most diverse and wise friends. We work together, unorganized, in a mental revolution so to speak. Helping those who would have our cumulative and cooperative knowledge, to better themselves in awareness and preparedness. Not unlike what you've done in your own style here Elias. Thus why I love this place so much.

The debates and arguments, statements and information here, if viewed in the correct light bring awareness like no self proclaimed organized entity could. I salute you for your wisdom in knowing how it works. For it works very well.

Thank you for the flowers, livinright, but I can't really take credit for this place. There are many factors here which have given this place its unique character, and I'm learning about how it works just like everyone else here. I did not have any clear idea about this, just a basic idea that perhaps "consciousness works". I thank the regulars who share wisdom here, and I thank the occasional post-maker who does not hit these boards on a regular basis, and I thank the lurkers who do not even post here but who read and pass along some of the ideation they find here, and I thank the Administrators who've always had to worry about how I might shoot myself in the foot with this place, lol. There are a lot of very fine minds operating here.

But to your point - "diverse and wise friends". What you've got in your personal life, TMM seems to have here. Claire attracts some very aware and awake individuals, and early on, when this place was her's, I learned much about not organizing.  To my credit, I did realize many long years ago, even back in the early 1970s, that "organization" means structure, and I knew from my artistic friends that "structure" is the antithesis of creativity. As an artist-type myself, I have always been comfortable in that knowledge. Most things in life are good, until somebody starts organizing them. Organizing things leads to centralization, and centralization, when applied to government, produces what now threatens the "free world" - a highly-powerful centralized government which aspires to control and regulate the entire world of humans. Truth shall always be at odds with organization. I hope that comes through whenever people read our "mission statement", here- http://www.thementalmilitia.com/MissionStatement.html


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TMM is the epitomy of a non-organization to me. Blessing and cherishing individuality and what it gives us if we embrace it instead of fear it. We can all learn something, if only one thing, from each and every poster on this site, if we so choose. Especially if the grain of salt is taken with each statement, and not taken as granted. Research, research, research! I cannot say that word enough.

Well, my new friend, imo that is exactly what TMM is all about - the individual as opposed to the masses. The individual is the other end of a spectrum terminated on two ends by individuality and organization. I reject organization in many areas of life, especially in spiritual sensitivity and self-knowledge. You've said it very well, and you are the kind of writer I like to see operating here. Thanks very sincerely for taking of your time to post here.

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The best part about this place. It doesn't ignore solution. I am a solution addict. And a pot stirrer. I always love to see what will come to the top after stirring. And usually I'm not disappointed in the wise statements that come up here and there, especially on this forum. I admire greatly the wisdom of many of the people here.

You'n me both! :)

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We spoke of common sense before Elias. My career (as my family and friends state) is an attempt to rejuvenate it. Whether I can share knowledge of my own, or stir the pot somewhere that I see knowledge can be brought up again, with common sense and wisdom. I am only an imperfect human myself and count on others wisdom for a collective, solid, movement, unlabeled. None of us is all knowing, none of us is perfect, and none of us are exactly alike. I will strive for the rest of my life for the betterment, safety, happiness, freedom and liberty of others, as well as me and mine. Basically as I said, through individuality and collective cooperation, for the win, for peace.

Very nicely said. I know of nothing to add to that statement. It's nice to see that consciousness coming from another post-maker here. Thank you.

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Re: IT WASN'T MUSLIMS
« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2009, 05:51:35 am »


Very simply and briefly here (I'm on my way out the door.) Among the more effective things I've done to promote the truth is sit down and talk with family and friends about how crazy our foreign adventures are and what kinds of things led up to them.  I'll bring up the idea of "Blowback."  Many folks are still trying to learn about that concept- though Dr. Paul has introduced it in a fine way throughout his campaign.  I don't leave it there however.  I actively talk about people like Zbig.  I mention folks like "We are Change" in NY and their efforts to highlight the first-responder health issues, and yes, Alex Jones, because he's doing a lot to raise awareness too.  I sometimes ask people in "shock", do you know who started "The Taliban" and Al Cia'da?  I offer background and proof directly from the horse's mouth and more. I shake my head in sadness and say:  "Hey, how about we watch a movie or two?" 

After watching the movie, we'll talk about the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, the National Security Act of 1947, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, Central Banking, the problems in Detroit, and maybe even birds and love.

Ah! Some of my favorite topics! :) I must say, I'm very pleased to meet another who understands the significance of Zbigniew Brzezinski. I've got five of his books and enjoy learning how his evil mind works. I read him and look for how he might have, in his youth perhaps, lost his way. He has such a brilliant mind in some ways, but is in reality one of the most insidious globalists of all. I think he believes his own vision, which is too bad for America, since we've continued to let the idiot affect foreign policy for decades and since he's a dyed-in-the-wool statist/socialist/globalist who works beside the throne of David Rockefeller.  Now the idiot is an adviser in President Obama's Administration.

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I have almost all of the movies and books on the subject.  Some are better than others.  Many people's paradigms shift a little after watching something like "Loose Change Final Cut."  It's a well made film that tugs at the heartstrings, especially for younger folks.  911 Mysteries is another one that does a fairly decent job explaining some of the technical aspects.  I also mention the various scholars, like Steven Jones, who lost their jobs because they dared to speak out against the official line.  I show people real evidence, real pictures, real video, real gut instinct.  I even show them the BBC pre-reporting Building 7's implosion.  I mention the folks and agencies who had offices in that building.  I tend to shy away from(perhaps I shouldn't) the "Bush" angle in all of this.  To me, this is a "New World Order" issue not a divisive left/right thing.
I salute you for collecting the movies and books. I do the same here, as best I can. There are a number of books I'd love to add to my library, but can't afford to buy books at this time. Ditto for some excellent documentary films I'd love to have. I find that, for my own self-knowledge, studying documentary films and reading well-sourced books on dry history is positively necessary. Many of these documentaries are so very powerful that I review them regularly, just to keep my weary old memory accustomed to their many facts.  And they make great gifts to people who are seriously wanting to learn. One of my idle dreams is to get a little money from my work so I can buy a very nice video-editing software and learn how to make my own documentary, sorta like that collage named "Wake Up Call".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3543161691381895251

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I point people toward the books I mentioned in another post and more, the federal reserve system and central banking in general, operation northwoods, George Washington University's vast archives of declassified documents and more.  I gradually paint a picture for those willing to make an attempt to see what I'm trying to say.  I encourage folks to go out and talk with others about the situation we're in as well.  In no way do I think 911 was the only event in our history that encouraged tyranny here.  It was that catalyzing event that shocked the general public and any political resistance into submission.  Gradually and thankfully, I am seeing some of the fog lift.  Unfortunately, I believe the ultimate goal is to turn it in to a JFK type scenario where 40 years from now, most people will think it was an inside job but it won't matter anymore.  Seems every time some new papers on JFK are about ready for distribution, they extend the release another generation.

I'm right in there with you. Banking, the Fed, false-flags (Northwoods document), GWU's archives.  I especially like the exposure they gave Oliver North's miserable crap in the Iran-Contra scam - see: http://www.jeffersonrivercoalition.com/Persistence_Of_Pardonable_Criminals.htm

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What I've found in my travels to NYC(I was there a couple of years ago for the anniversary), Chicago, Philadelphia, LA, the Northwest, is that there is indeed, an ongoing, COINTELPROish counter movement within the mainline "truth movement."  I don't have enough time in my life to potentially involve myself with obvious agents of disinformation in an organized way.  I can't join all of the groups out there, neither can my friends.  I have to simply know that I'm doing all I can to share the truth with the people I care about and the world.  Fortunately, I've been involved with a decentralized movement for 15 years and we've been fairly successful in spreading some seeds.

Above all else, I, and the groups I'm involved with, ask a simple question:  Do you want liberty?

That puts it right where it should be, methinketh. Liberty of the individual. And yes, I too see the futility caused by the infiltrators, which I think includes government agents as well as other types of fools. But I do not get discouraged by that, and the more absurd they try to be simply gives me a smile. Yes, they'll distract many people in the movement, but then, I do not really think we need distractible people in the movement. Lose a few of those who are easily distracted, and you've not really lost much, kno' what I mean? What encourages me is the caliber of those strong souls who're now apparent all across the Internet, like David Ray Griffin or Steven Jones, and so many others whose names you know before I type them. Our sort of people may not be many in number, but it's nice to know we're not alone. Personal sovereignty, autonomy, individualism, and homage to the greater self - these are the tools which enable anyone to see through the veil of secrecy and behold a more comprehensible picture of reality. People like that are not governable. They are our family. And we shall never have the comfort of support by the masses. Classical literature speaks to that very clearly,  and has ever since there's been any art and literature. Some things never change, and the relationship between a fully-awakened individual and the society within which he chances to be born is repeated across the entire span of all total human generations. I've learned to live with that.

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If the answer is yes, than one should understand these things on another level and know that there is an all-out assault on liberty and freedom in this country.  One should take the necessary steps to reverse it.  One should be forming their own group or groups.  One should do something about it.  Real information and ideas are bulletproof, IMO.  It's worked for me and many others around the country.  One day, perhaps all of these groups can look back and say we've achieved something.  If anything, some have learned how to prepare for the day we'll need to share and survive.  I find that TMM is doing similar things.  I guess, if there's any movement I'm a part of, it would be the mind-expansion movement.  The mind and heart are the most powerful things on earth and have the ability to really change things, IMO.  I don't stop rappin' either!

I'll expand as time permits and if anyone is interested. 

Expand away, Bro! You're talking my language, to be sure, when you speak of seeing things on different levels. I'm in perfect harmony with that paragraph. Your contributions to these boards shall help readers whom you may never even know are lurking here. I'm glad you're posting here at TMM, and that you understood what TMM is hoping to become, before you even found us. Thank you.
 
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Re: IT WASN'T MUSLIMS
« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2009, 11:39:56 pm »

Indeed Elias.  I'll be watching that video when I get the couple of hours.  I'm short on time at the moment but I want to place a few little reminders for myself and others by posting a link to Edward Bernays' book from 1928 titled "Propaganda."  IMO, It's a must read for anyone attempting to understand how manipulation and reality control works.  Another genius worth studying.  Ivory Soap...See videos "Century of Self" as well:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151&ei=RiAaSqKBAomurwKbjLyYAQ&q

There are also some filmstrips and writings I'd like to share by G. Edward Griffin- an inspiring and wise man who explains deep issues in an easy to understand way.

"Propaganda"  I encourage going to a bookstore and purchasing a copy to hold in the hands for highlighting:

http://books.google.com/books?id=JlcPgPt17KcC&dq=%22edward+bernays%22+propaganda&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=o4lp_qPQPl&sig=DcG9v-w1f_GHxxsEXk61uMYOgVo&hl=en&ei=Wx0aSrjgN5S9tweBypnfDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6



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"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country."-Edward Bernays,

Propaganda A seminal and controversial figure in the history of political thought and public relations, Edward Bernays (1891a__1995), pioneered the scientific technique of shaping and manipulating public opinion, which he famously dubbed "engineering of consent." During World War I, he was an integral part of the U.S. Committee on Public Information (CPI), a powerful propaganda apparatus that was mobilized to package, advertise and sell the war to the American people as one that would "Make the World Safe for Democracy." The CPI would become the blueprint in which marketing strategies for future wars would be based upon. Bernays applied the techniques he had learned in the CPI and, incorporating some of the ideas of Walter Lipmann, became an outspoken proponent of propaganda as a tool for democratic and corporate manipulation of the population. His 1928 bombshell Propaganda lays out his eerily prescient vision for using propaganda to regiment the collective mind in a variety of areas, including government, politics, art, science and education. To read this book today is to frightfully comprehend what our contemporary institutions of government and business have become in regards to organized manipulation of the masses.

Perhaps I will expand on some things sometime.....great exchanges here. 

I see so much good here.

Just touching on some of your thoughts(Perhaps I'll get more detailed later.)

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I read him and look for how he might have, in his youth perhaps, lost his way.

That's how I read him too. 

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I salute you for collecting the movies and books. I do the same here, as best I can. There are a number of books I'd love to add to my library, but can't afford to buy books at this time. Ditto for some excellent documentary films I'd love to have. I find that, for my own self-knowledge, studying documentary films and reading well-sourced books on dry history is positively necessary. Many of these documentaries are so very powerful that I review them regularly, just to keep my weary old memory accustomed to their many facts.  And they make great gifts to people who are seriously wanting to learn. One of my idle dreams is to get a little money from my work so I can buy a very nice video-editing software and learn how to make my own documentary, sorta like that collage named "Wake Up Call".

That would be wonderful!  Perhaps we can share some ideas and I can send you some good documentaries and reading as we move forward.  I have a few on my mind at the moment but I'll leave it until I can get a few extra moments.  Many of my hard-drives are filled with video, audio, and editing software ;) 


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Liberty of the individual. And yes, I too see the futility caused by the infiltrators, which I think includes government agents as well as other types of fools. But I do not get discouraged by that, and the more absurd they try to be simply gives me a smile. Yes, they'll distract many people in the movement, but then, I do not really think we need distractible people in the movement. Lose a few of those who are easily distracted, and you've not really lost much, kno' what I mean?


Beautiful!  Singing my song.  I've been growing in that direction.

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Our sort of people may not be many in number, but it's nice to know we're not alone.

We are not alone, I feel it indeed.  In my thousand mile journey, I've found some of the most wonderful, brilliant, and honest people in this wonderland(earth) who truly have become great friends- even though, in some cases, we've never met!

I agree with your analysis of the Beat movement as well.  I've studied it extensively.  Burroughs certainly influenced my younger self a while back.

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I'd work for ten years if I were able to only give what I see to one fully-awakened soul. But I won't work for ten minutes to try to give this to the average American today, for the average American does not want to see, does not want to become personally responsible for himself, does not want to wake up from his comfortable sleep-states. He is a willing or an unwitting dupe of the mass mind, with little motive to look behind the curtain.

I think our nation's Founders knew well what I'm trying to express here, for they conducted the Revolution in full knowledge that most Colonists did not care one whit whether they lived their lives under British rule or under some newly-created alternate system of governance. Another example of that is embodied in the history of Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky, who knew full well that it was not necessary to educate the Russian public prior to starting the Bolshevik Revolution. A very small segment of society is known to be able to execute successful revolutions, and so it is with my vision of the 9/11 Truth revolution.

Again, couldn't say it better, great way to express that thought.  Beyond all, throughout my journeys, I've always said to myself and others that even if I only touched one soul with something of value and truth, it was successful.  I hope that others will think in similar ways- In fact, many already have.......

Well, I must get back to the campfire and then some rest.  My daughters are eager to see if their predictions on tomorrow's weather are correct- taught them how to use a barometer today :)  Thanks again. 

Peace





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Re: IT WASN'T MUSLIMS
« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2009, 02:53:12 am »

I feel bad for not replying earlier, been busy setting up the new place. But this Elias struck me the most. I like how you think indeed....

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But to your point -  "diverse and wise friends". What you've got in your personal life, TMM seems to have here. Claire attracts some very aware and awake individuals, and early on, when this place was her's, I learned much about not organizing.  To my credit, I did realize many long years ago, even back in the early 1970s, that "organization" means structure, and I knew from my artistic friends that "structure" is the antithesis of creativity. As an artist-type myself, I have always been comfortable in that knowledge. Most things in life are good, until somebody starts organizing them. Organizing things leads to centralization, and centralization, when applied to government, produces what now threatens the "free world" - a highly-powerful centralized government which aspires to control and regulate the entire world of humans. Truth shall always be at odds with organization. I hope that comes through whenever people read our "mission statement", here- http://www.thementalmilitia.com/MissionStatement.html

Indeed, be it "free" spirit, or as you say, not organizing, or as I've read here "un" structured. It is the way to a better way of life. Too many people have opinions and ideas, all good for different demographics and ideals and places. Certainly why I love Ron Paul, for he feels that local government is the way to go. And I couldn't agree more.

We are all different. We can effect different demographics in a less structured society in our efforts here. In every sense.

Not being organized or structured is a beautiful "free" thing.

Peace to you Elias, and to you too Spool. I think we're on the same wavelength..........somehow.

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Re: IT WASN'T MUSLIMS
« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2011, 09:18:21 pm »

I, while not towing any lines, would like to have a serious discussion on this topic!  Something isn't right but nobody can seem to prove that something was wrong, either.

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« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2013, 01:02:28 am »

Flawed or not---> A great soldier in a quest to find Truth.  truth eludes but good hearts do not.  Two of these souls have now passed away or as journalism classes falsely teach us, died.  Let us know how to investigate and live...
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« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2013, 01:11:01 am »

To "mouse" and company, everyone knows:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s  Here is a song for you and that's how it goes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg
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« Reply #68 on: October 25, 2013, 02:58:29 am »

Isn't Leonard Cohen great?  I have been a Leonard Cohen fan for ages.  People tell me he's an "acquired taste" but ......
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« Reply #70 on: December 26, 2013, 10:50:41 pm »

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We are all different. We can effect different demographics in a less structured society in our efforts here. In every sense.

Not being organized or structured is a beautiful "free" thing.

Peace to you Elias, and to you too Spool. I think we're on the same wavelength..........somehow.

Sometimes things happen but it's all simple.

Be free.

Peace and God Bless
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