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[stevenw]

I have some honest questions to ask Oath keepers, and a finishing statement. And I hope you will reciprocate on that same basis.

This pertains nominally to LEOs.

First off, I have to admit I don't like cops, don't trust them. I've dealt with them enough that i get an icy, cold feeling in the pit of my stomach when I see one in my rearview mirror. Or when I get scoped walking down the street. Let me give you an overview of my most recent experience: I happened to walk through the middle of a school zone early one afternoon and was stopped by a cop wanting my ID, asking if I was a sex offender, etc. Now mind you, I never entered school grounds. This is a major street, a thoroughfare, a public sidewalk that passes a school. The encounter left me in a slow burn.

So here's the first question. Why should I trust you? In almost every encounter I'm met with suspicion, without trust. I have been lied to and told of laws that that are inaccurate or do not exist. If you can't trust me...

What are your views on allowing me to carry a weapon concealed? Any weapon? How about an ex-con? Can he (or she) be allowed to have a gun? Careful. This is a trick question. Will you arrest someone for not having slip of paper giving him the "privilege" to have that weapon? Will you disarm me, even temporarily, for "officer safety"?

But here's the big one for me. Have you witnessed someones rights being violated by another cop? What did you do? Will you enforce the highest law in the land and arrest another cop violating someone's constitutional rights. I've read the pledge and it is a list of orders you will not obey. It's not a list of defending the constitution. If you see one of your fellow men in blue beating the crap out of a handcuffed civilian, what do you do? What will you do?

Because to do nothing is a choice.

Because if you are unwilling to defend someone now at the cost of ostracization or even your job, then we will know what your oaths are meaningless.

[da gooch]

Hi stevenw,

I am not and never have been a LEO either in the military or in civilian life.

That said I am one of the original Oath Keepers. [it was initially formed right here at TMM by six or eight members and some personal friends of Stewarts from the Las Vegas area back in January and February of 2009.]

I can talk to you about the history of the organization but that is not what you are looking for is it?

I would suggest to you that not many LEOs hang around here and that if you wanted to actually reach some of the LEOs in Oath Keepers that you head on over to the Oath Keepers Home page. [ Here ] or over to the Oath Keepers Forum. [ Here ]
The forum will require you to "Join" in order to have access but the Home page May let you pose your question to the membership.

I cannot answer your question BUT I would be very interested in what answer you do get IF you get one at all. What with the "Blue Wall of Silence" and all.

Best of Luck with that.

IF you have any Other questions several of us here may have the answers. Ask away.

By the way ...
There is a whole lot more to TMM than this Oath Keepers sub-board so ...
have a look around for there really is a wealth of information available for the curious freedomista.

AND:  Welcome aboard.

[stevenw]

Thank you gooch.

I wasn't aware here was the origin of the movemeant. Nice to know grassroot movements do work. We just have to be vigilant that they not be co-opted.

This isn't my first time here, BTW. I harken back to the previous "iteration" of this board, and a search the other day surprised me as I found my old handle and posts. I apparently petitioned the creation of the entertainment sub-boards (ah, memory. Such a fleeting.... what was I talking about?)

[stevenw]

Dude. When you said I'd have to join to have access, I assumed you meant to post messages.

I didn't think you meant somebody not signed cannot even see the forum.

Sorry, that's just effed up.

[Klapton Isgod]

Dude. When you said I'd have to join to have access, I assumed you meant to post messages.

I didn't think you meant somebody not signed cannot even see the forum.

Sorry, that's just effed up.

There is very good reason to keep our forums private.  There are a few boards there that are visible to the public, but not many.  We need to be able to speak our minds without SPLC and their ilk looking for something to use to smear us.  The MotherJones article that was the first time many liberal readers ever heard of us, they used posts from this forum by an asshat named "Oxi" who was later one of the few people ever banned from this forum - that's how bad he was.  We won't be having any of that shit again.

We are not naive enough to believe that we do not have alphabet agencies officially signed up so they can monitor us and/or stir up trouble.  And of course one should never believe that ANYTHING they say on the internet is not being gathered to be used against us when the fucking nazi's get around to it.

Anyway...   Yes, OK forums are mostly locked down to dues-paying members only.  It is for our privacy and safety.  I'm sorry that doesn't make it easy for you to ask your question and get a meaningful answer.

Btw...  I share your distrust of cops.  We are making progress in reaching rural sherriffs and small towns where people like their guns.  Big city cops, imho, are mostly beyond redemption.  Anyone with a conscience has already quit or been harassed out of those departments.  I keep this opinion to myself most of the time, however.  That's part of the reason I did not answer your post here sooner; I had nothing positive to say.  Trying to reach urban cops is kind of like preaching the Gospel at a frat party.  I seriously doubt we are going to reach anyone, but miracles do happen.

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[da gooch]

Thank you gooch.

I wasn't aware here was the origin of the movemeant. Nice to know grassroot movements do work. We just have to be vigilant that they not be co-opted.

This isn't my first time here, BTW. I harken back to the previous "iteration" of this board, and a search the other day surprised me as I found my old handle and posts. I apparently petitioned the creation of the entertainment sub-boards (ah, memory. Such a fleeting.... what was I talking about?)

You're welcome.

I, too, am from the "previous iteration" (The Claire Files) as is Klapton who answered your question about the forum being private access to actual members.
Back in the days of helpless goats and other livestock being threatened with [verbal] abuse by several ex-members. Sophomoric humor but mostly harmless all in all.

So ... I will modify my welcome to read Welcome Back.

To get a better understanding of the evolution of the OK organization I highly recommend that you go to the original website and read most of the posts there. It is the link on the top of the OK front page here at TMM.  HERE
[This is a lot of reading but it will become pretty clear as to the "official" position on the questions you have posed. It will also explain the reason for the "Private Forum".]

Sadly Klapton has hit the nail on the head as far as mho on LEOs.
There are exceptions to every rule and I have met some of them through Oath Keepers.
Unfortunately none of them are in my local AO.
Luckily I live in a small country town so don't fear the blue wall of tyranny as much as if I lived in a metropolitan area.




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[sharp_shepherd]

Just want to mention that very few members of the OK are actually active LEO's because active LEO's are not trusted.  Most members are previous active duty military and spend the majority of time working/training in a group that had been formed over years.  Trust and privacy is the single most important part in a real OK group.  Some are more visible then others.  The real covert groups are to really be "feared" as they are kinda like "terrorist" (hated to use this description) cells waiting to be activated.  Once all hell breaks loose it's all over for the gov't.