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Bill St. Clair

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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2014, 08:07:58 am »
Quote from: MamaLiberty on February 07, 2014, 06:43:19 am
Every human being (or sentient being, if you want to get technical) has the absolute, inalienable AUTHORITY of self ownership, which includes the use of any tool whatsoever, for any purpose whatsoever. Every self owning individual ALSO has the absolute and inalienable AUTHORITY to defend themselves, by any means he/she finds necessary, from any other individual who offers credible threat of great harm or death.

No person or group of persons has any legitimate authority to decide anything different for any other individual.

This isn’t limited to “Americans,” and it isn’t limited to “concealed weapons” or even guns.

Nice one. Saved at https://billstclair.com/blog/quote_322.html
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2014, 08:20:56 am »
Quote from: Bill St. Clair on February 07, 2014, 08:07:58 am
Nice one. Saved at https://billstclair.com/blog/quote_322.html

Thanks. Yes, a little stark and would need plenty of voluntary cooperation for fallible human beings to live with, but it takes the non-aggression principle to the next logical level.  It explains why the NAP truly serves the best interest of individuals AND is "for the common good" in any society.

I was fairly surprised at the response to this among some of my "libertarian" friends.  The raw truth can be most uncomfortable for those who still think they can be "a little bit pregnant."
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2014, 08:23:52 am »
Heh! Sounds like you've got a solid perspective on self-ownership. Such knowledge is what the collectivists hate and fear, but it's a cat out of the bag and the idea is catching on.

;)

Salute!
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2014, 08:29:47 am »
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2014, 08:32:19 am »
Quote from: Elias Alias on February 07, 2014, 01:14:51 am
Quote from: RagnarDanneskjold on November 17, 2013, 10:47:14 am
I am constantly amazed at the arguments I get on Facebook from libertarians and voluntarists about the concept of self ownership in general. The same with the idea of "rights". The 2 are intertwined, of course.

Ragnar, check out this dissertation on self-ownership:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpcfZzx8xY0

Salute!
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Dang, I hadn't seen this before I posted the same link. I came across it on FB.
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The Mayor is the Problem
The flagpole is the answer
We hung the first one
We can hang another one
The Firesign Theatre - from the album Boom Dot Bust

Dear Government
You are a ass shit.
A note from my younger son when he was 3.

When rights are outlawed, only outlaws will have rights. - Me


Round up everybody who can ride a horse or pull a trigger. Let's break out some Winchesters.  - John Wayne (Chisum)

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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2015, 09:03:15 am »
The new documentary Sirius succinctly
answers the question.

see

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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2015, 10:51:58 am »
Quote from: fruhmenschen on October 10, 2015, 09:03:15 am
The new documentary Sirius succinctly
answers the question.

There is no "answer" except what the individual finds/decides for himself.
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2015, 09:08:55 pm »
Quote from: MamaLiberty on October 10, 2015, 10:51:58 am
Quote from: fruhmenschen on October 10, 2015, 09:03:15 am
The new documentary Sirius succinctly
answers the question.

There is no "answer" except what the individual finds/decides for himself.


unless you have visited

http://shadowproof.com/2015/10/12/wikileaks-us-government-plotted-to-kill-bolivian-president-evo-morales/
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2015, 05:38:13 am »
Quote from: fruhmenschen on October 13, 2015, 09:08:55 pm
Quote from: MamaLiberty on October 10, 2015, 10:51:58 am
Quote from: fruhmenschen on October 10, 2015, 09:03:15 am
The new documentary Sirius succinctly
answers the question.

There is no "answer" except what the individual finds/decides for himself.


unless you have visited

http://shadowproof.com/2015/10/12/wikileaks-us-government-plotted-to-kill-bolivian-president-evo-morales/
I have read the article, but I don't think that it has been posted here yet.

Just a word of advise- in the future, please include a short excerpt from the article and perhaps a short passage about your thoughts on it. Thanks! :thumbsup:
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2016, 05:41:40 pm »
It's too bad things can turn so bad if we try to teach the facts to our would be owners. Of course the state doesn't own us;  the people created the state.  How can the creature own the creator? But then again, I'm an old man and most times I don't feel like being shot, manhandled, or jailed to make the point to an ignorant servant.
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2016, 06:25:59 am »
Quote from: SamCarter on April 16, 2016, 05:41:40 pm
It's too bad things can turn so bad if we try to teach the facts to our would be owners. Of course the state doesn't own us;  the people created the state.  How can the creature own the creator? But then again, I'm an old man and most times I don't feel like being shot, manhandled, or jailed to make the point to an ignorant servant.

Thing is, neither you nor I "created the state." We just inherited the damned thing. I don't need or want any state "servants," whether they are ignorant or not. Unfortunately, we're not given the choice.
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2016, 12:46:19 am »
We need an organized chorus to trim some of the weight off our inheritance . . . . . . . number should be near 51% of the pop
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2016, 05:34:24 am »
Quote from: Jake on April 19, 2016, 12:46:19 am
We need an organized chorus to trim some of the weight off our inheritance . . . . . . . number should be near 51% of the pop

Amen to that.
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #58 on: April 21, 2016, 11:54:07 am »
Quote from: Eagle Eye on April 21, 2016, 05:34:24 am
Quote from: Jake on April 19, 2016, 12:46:19 am
We need an organized chorus to trim some of the weight off our inheritance . . . . . . . number should be near 51% of the pop

Amen to that.

May I point out that you have just placed yourselves on the same shelf as Pol Pot and Joseph Stalin?

Both of them only wanted to "trim some of the weight off our inheritance". In each case it involves murdering humans. 51%? you mean to kill of 49% of Americans so that Your idea of a "Free Country" can exist with internal peace?

How in Hades does that fit within the ZAP/NAP concept or even the "liberty and justice for all" concept?

Awaiting your answer with interest ...
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Re: Who Owns You?
« Reply #59 on: April 22, 2016, 02:43:59 pm »
Thanks, Gooch. I was thinking this was eerily similar to what the Elite wants to do to us Mundanes. Of course, I believe their percentages are higher...
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