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Basil Fishbone

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Re: "Permitless carry/ Constitutional carry" Passes the House
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2011, 01:20:34 pm »


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Marbut-MSSA" <mssa@mtssa.org>
To: <mssa@mtssa.org>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:42 AM
Subject: Permitless carry - Senate - Monday


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> Dear MSSA Friends,
>
> We are told that our Permitless Carry bill, HB 271 will be before the
> Montana Senate on Monday.
>
> It has not been necessary to have a concealed weapon permit to carry
> concealed outside of cities in Montana (99.4% of Montana) for 20
> years.  There is no identifiable incidence of problems with this
> permitless carry in nearly all of Montana, nor is there a problem
> with currently-legal open carry inside cities.
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> HB 271 will make it essentially the same inside cities as it has
> successfully been outside cities for two decades.
>
> HB 271 was amended by a joint House/Senate conference committee to
> allow in-city permitless concealed carry by anyone able to legally
> possess a handgun.  The House approved the conference committee
> amendments.  Now the Senate will consider the amended HB 271 on Monday.
>
> Please urge your senator and any other senators you wish to support
> HB 271 when it comes before the full Senate for approval of the
> conference committee report.
>
> Whenever we have sought to improve concealed carry laws, there have
> been dire, hypothetical predictions of disaster.  In 1991 when we
> passed Montana's current mandatory-issue law, opponents said the
> result would be "rivers of blood running in the streets" of
> Montana.  Like all other such dire predictions, these turned out to
> be untrue.  We don't need to reach to hypotheticals to know what the
> outcome will be - we have actual, historical data.  Vermont has never
> criminalized concealed carry and has less violent crime than nearly
> all other states.  Alaska and Arizona passed permitless concealed
> carry laws and have experienced no problems.  Hard data - not hypothetical.
>
> I like to call the current status "coat control" inside cities.  Open
> carry has always been legal there, but whether or not a person can
> don a coat that covers a gun inside a Montana city depends on having
> a CWP (coat permit).  Hey, a lot of the year it's cold in
> Montana.  Why should we have coat control?
>
> Contact senators and urge concurrence with the conference committee
> report on HB 271.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary Marbut, president
> Montana Shooting Sports Association
> http://www.mtssa.org
> author, Gun Laws of Montana
> http://www.mtpublish.com
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Basil Fishbone

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Re: "Permitless carry/ Constitutional carry" Passes the House
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2011, 10:22:06 am »

Very good!  The amended bill is what we want.

~Basil

Fwd: Dear MSSA Friends,

MSSA's permitless carry bill, HB 271, has passed the Senate with a vote of 30-20.  More properly said, the Senate has concurred in the conference committee report on HB 271 by a vote of 30-20.

The conference committee version only affects concealed carry INSIDE the city limits of an incorporated city or town.  Concealed carry outside city limits (99.4% of Montana) has not required a permit since 1991.  Open carry inside city limits has never required a permit in Montana.

The CC version of HB 271 allows a person to carry concealed ("wholly or partially covered by clothing or wearing apparel") inside city limits if that person is eligible to possess a handgun under state or federal law.

The Senate must still approve adoption of the CC report with a Third Reading vote, either later today or tomorrow (last day of the session).  I expect the vote for HB 271 to hold for Third Reading, but there are no guarantees.  You can bet opponents will be trying for a Hail Mary effort to turn five Senate votes against HB 271 on Third Reading.

Once the Senate approves HB 271 on Third Reading, it will go to the Governor for his signature.  Governor Schweitzer has opined before that he likes the concept, but who knows if that attitude continues.

In the 30-20 vote, all Republicans voted for HB 271, plus Democrats Gillan and Hamlett.  If you can send messages to the Senate, you should thank those senators who supported HB 271 and urge them to continue their support on Third Reading.

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com

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Re: "Permitless carry/ Constitutional carry" Passes the House
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2011, 06:16:47 am »

Yesssssss!  How is the other stuff looking?
« Last Edit: April 29, 2011, 06:18:20 am by Rarick »
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