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Basil Fishbone

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Get ready: second half of legislative session
« on: March 02, 2011, 12:54:58 pm »

Dear MSSA Friends,

One new item and two reminders:

1)  New Item.  The Senate Judiciary Committee has scheduled public hearings on four "gun bills" for Wednesday, March 16th beginning at 8 AM:
HB 174 - suppressors
HB 271 - permitless carry
HB 384 - prohibited places
HB 496 - police destroy guns (we oppose)

2)  The MSSA Annual Meeting will be held this Saturday, March 5th in the State Capitol Room 303, beginning at 10 AM.  We will break for lunch and should be done by 4 PM or earlier.  Come if you're interested.

3)  Montana's Right to Keep and Bear Arms Celebration Week begins next Monday, March 7th.  Plan a celebration!

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com
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        1-1-224.  Observance of right to keep and bear arms. The week beginning the first Monday in March is an official week of observance to commemorate Montana's valued heritage of the right of each person to keep and bear arms in the defense of his home, person, or property or in aid of civil power. During this week, all Montanans are urged to reflect on their right to keep and bear arms and to celebrate this right in lawful ways.
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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 03:01:08 pm »

Fwd: Dear MSSA Friends,

We have some critical bills coming up for public hearings in the Legislature this week.

Tuesday before the Senate Fish and Game Committee, at 3 PM in Room 422 of the State Capitol:

SB 402, Provide for spring wolf hunts


Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee, 8 AM, Room 303, State Capitol, we will have (I will include some "talking points"):

HB 174, Repeal prohibition on firearm sound reduction devices in field.
         Suppressors do not "silence" as in movies, but only suppress the muzzle blast.
        Do not affect the sonic boom of bullets.
        Current law prohibiting possession "in the field or forest" is entirely too vague and restrictive.

HB 271, Exception to concealed weapon offense if eligible to apply ("permitless carry").
        This would not apply to under age, criminals, and people without firearm safety training.
        It's really about coats - whether or not a person can put on a coat over a currently-legal open-carried firearm.
        Police can handle this just like CCW outside cities for the last 20 years, and like open carry inside cities forever.

HB 384, Revise carrying concealed weapon in "prohibited places."
        Would only apply to active CWP-holders, not the general public - certified good guys.
        Current law is nonsensical since it is now legal to carry openly in these places.

HB 496, (Bad bill - Oppose) Allowing law enforcement agencies to destroy certain firearms they possess.
        Demonizes as "bad guns" those used in even minor crimes such as attempted trespass.
        Fails to require destruction of "bad" houses or "bad" business where violent crimes are committed.
        Lost revenue from destruction of firearms would cost local taxpayers.


Thursday, SB 114, Sheriffs First will be before the House Judiciary Committee at 8 AM in Room 137.  I'll get out another email specifically about Sheriffs First later today or tomorrow.

Please either show up in Helena to support these bills, or contact the relevant Committee members and ask them to support the bills (oppose HB 496).  Keep your messages short (legislators just don't have time to read much) and be polite.

You can phone in messages to the Legislative Message Center (M-F, working hours) at 444-4800, or send a message to an entire committee using the Legislature's Online Message Form any time at:
http://leg.mt.gov/css/sessions/62nd/legwebmessage.asp

We really need to push hard on these surviving bills.  Thanks loads for your help.

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com
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Senate Judiciary Committee

Chair: Terry Murphy (R-Cardwell)
Vice Chair: Jim Shockley (R-Victor)
Vice Chair: Larry Jent (D-Bozeman)
Shannon Augare (D-Browning)
Anders Blewett (D-Great Falls)
Jeff Essmann (R-Billings)
Greg Hinkle (R-Thompson Falls)
Rowlie Hutton (R-Havre)
Cliff Larsen (D-Missoula)
Lynda Moss (D-Billings)
Jim Peterson (R-Buffalo)
Chas Vincent (R-Libby) z
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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2011, 01:03:23 pm »

Dear MSSA Friends,

There's another bill on MSSA radar, SB 135.

Here's the deal.  FWP has exploited a silent area in Montana law to
adopt a regulation/interpretation making it illegal to possess a
firearm if you are using a dog to track a wounded game
animal.  Right, you're tracking a wounded elk through Grizzly and
wolf country, where those predators are likely to be drawn to the
blood scent, and FWP insists that you cannot carry a firearm.  Plus,
when you find your wounded animal, how are supposed to dispatch it?

Not only is this regulation dangerous and nonsensical, it is clearly
a case of an administrative agency attempting to violate the Montana
Constitution.  When the Montana Constitution says that the right to
bear arms "shall not be called into question," FWP thinks that
applies to everyone but them, that they can use the Constitution for
toilet paper, and they can fine and/or jail you for violating their
unconstitutional, arrogant administrative edict.

SB 135 fixes this problem and will have its public hearing before the
House Fish, Wildlife and Parks Committee at 3 PM on Tuesday (tomorrow, 3/15).

Please send brief messages to Committee members asking members to
support SB 135.

Thanks!

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com

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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2011, 11:47:40 am »

Dear MSSA Friends,

Sheriffs First.  The House Judiciary Committee has concurred with the Senate version of SB 114, WITHOUT the amendment MSSA requested to have sheriffs report to MT DoJ the incidents where federal officers arrest, search or seize when the sheriff has no advance knowledge of the activity.

Powder and primers.  The Senate Taxation Committee has approved SB 371, but WITH substantial amendments that rob SB 371 of most of the inducements for establishment of new businesses in Montana to manufacture smokeless powder, primers and brass.

Destroying guns.  The Senate Judiciary Committee has tabled the bad bill, HB 496, that would allow police to destroy certain "bad guns" that were used to commit a crime.

Born in Montana - hunt in Montana.  The House Fish, Wildlife and Parks Committee has approved SB 136, to allow people born in Montana to obtain a hunting license at twice the cost for residents without needing to go through the nonresident license drawing process.

Spring wolf hunts.  The Senate Fish and Game Committee has passed SB 402 allowing for spring wolf hunts.

Wolf Control.  MSSA's wolf control from a draft request by Senator Balyeat has just been introduced as SB 414 by Senator Vincent.  SB 414 has been referred to the Senate Finance and Claims Committee.

No action yet by the Senate Judiciary Committee on HB 174 (Suppressors), HB 271 (Permitless Carry) or HB 384 (Prohibited Places).

Shooting range funding.  The appropriation for the Shooting Range Development Program is/will be contained in House Bill 2, the main state budget bill.  FWP put about $600,000 of hunter license fee money (no tax money) into their requested budget.  MSSA is asking the Legislature for $1.5 million for the SRDP.  HB 2 has gone from the House to the Senate Finance and Claims Committee.  The Online version of HB 2 does not contain sufficient detail to determine what appropriation was made for the SRDP in the House.  We will DEFINITELY need to make sure the Senate Finance and Claims Committee includes the requested $1.5 million for the SRDP.  I'll dig into this and get you more information.  Meanwhile, if your Senator is on the Senate finance and Claims Committee, be sure to contact him or her about the requested $1.5 million for the SRDP in HB 2.

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com

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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2011, 03:19:18 pm »

I'd love to have (several) suppressors, but I'm not about to spend that kind of money for the privilege of jumping through fed.gov's hoops.  It would help protect your hearing while hunting.
 
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From: Gary Marbut-MSSA
To: mssa@mtssa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: "Gun bills" in Senate Judiciary Committee


Dear MSSA Friends,

We've had three bills pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee, HB 174 (Suppressors), HB 271 (Permitless Carry) and HB 384 (Prohibited Places).  The committee took executive action (discussion, amendments, votes) on all three yesterday.

HB 174.  There is still a LOT of misinformation about what suppressors are, how they work and what they do and don't do.  The Hollywood version continues to prevail.  Misinformation is rampant.  One Republican senator voted against HB 174 because of calls stirred up among ranchers by the Montana Stockgrowers Association.  These people claim that if HB 174 passes they will have a huge surge in trespass and poaching, problems ranchers would not be able to interdict because they would occur "silently."  A Democrat senator asserted that suppressors are perfectly legal to use right now and HB 174 is unneeded, notwithstanding that 87-3-123 makes it a crime to take a suppressor "into the field or forest."  Another Democrat who says he is a bowhunter education instructor claimed that it is "unethical" to kill animals "silently" with a suppressor (even after being told that a suppressed hunting rifle still makes a sonic boom of 105 decibels, twice the OSHA safe sound limit.  I say again, misinformation is rampant.  The Committee tabled HB 174.

HB 271.  The Committee passed HB 271 with what I consider a minor amendment.  HB 271 would allow a person to carry a concealed weapon (put on a coat - it's about "coat control") inside city limits without a permit if the person is eligible to apply for a permit (non-criminal adult resident with training).  The amendment would require the carrier to have proof of training on their person while carrying permitlessly.  HB 271 now goes to the Senate floor for Second Reading.  Contact your senator and tell him or her you want HB 271 to pass.

HB 384.  The Montana "prohibited places" statute, 45-8-328, is a nonsensical, unreasonable law.  Although it prohibits concealed carry in a bar (including restaurant with liquor license), bank or public building, it does not affect open carry.  So, a person can now legally carry openly in a bar, but may not carry concealed.  Also, there is no exemption for cops in 45-8-328, so a detective with a jacket over his gun entering city hall commits a crime if he doesn't remove his coat.  HB 384 would exclude from the effect of 45-8-328 anyone with an active CWP, and police officers.  However, the Committee tabled HB 384.

We are working on possibilities to resurrect HB 174 and HB 384.  I'll paste below my comments about opposition to HB 174.

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com
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Suppressor bill, HB 174

There are an unfortunate number of Montanans who have bought into the disingenuous arguments of opponents of HB 174.  Let me explain.

Current law and history.  Suppressors (incorrectly called "silencers" by those who only know them from the movies) were demonized during the Prohibition Era as being the tools of rum-running gangsters.  That's when laws were enacted in Montana to make possession of suppressors illegal.  Those laws included making it a felony to even be in the same room with a suppressor, even if it was legally registered with the federal government.

In 1997, MSSA ran a bill to clean up these nonsensical suppressor laws.  We left two relevant laws on the books, one to make it a crime to commit a crime with a suppressor (no robbing banks with suppressors), and another to make it a state crime to possess a suppressor NOT registered under federal law.

Still illegal.  We missed one.  We missed a law in the fish and game section of the Montana law books that makes it a crime in Montana to "take into the field or forest" a suppressor.  What does this mean?  Who knows, but it's probably imprudent to take a suppressor outside city limits - into a "field or forest."  You could be charged with a crime.  Not only is it a crime, it is also a "gun crime" for which the FBI could take away your right to possess firearms forever under the federal Brady Law.

HB 174.  HB 174 would simply repeal this archaic law that makes it a criminal offense to be "in the field or forest" with a suppressor.

Arguments against HB 174.  The arguments against HB 174 are ever so disingenuous.  Here are the primary arguments against.

Using suppressors is legal in Montana now - no fix is needed.  Wrong.  Read the law.

         87-3-123.  Use of silencers or mufflers on firearms forbidden. A person may not take into a field or forest or have in the person's possession while out hunting any device or mechanism devised to silence, muffle, or minimize the report of any firearms, whether the device or mechanism is operated from or attached to any firearm.

Suppressors are illegal anyway.  Wrong.  It is perfectly legal to own suppressors under federal law.  Yes, a buyer must jump through a LOT of hoops.  First you must pay the business selling the suppressor - the full price (most of $1,000), but you cannot take possession of the suppressor yet.  Second, you must get a letter of permission from the local sheriff.  This includes getting fingerprinted, a mug shot and a criminal records background check.  Third, with this material in hand, you can then fill out the application to the BATFE.  You send in the application with a check for $200.  The BATFE will take about nine months to process the application.  Once approved, the BATFE will send you the tax stamp.  Only then can you go to the seller and pick your already-paid-for suppressor.

Nobody has suppressors.  Wrong.  There are LOTS of legally-owned suppressors in Montana.  There are probably more than 2,000 people in Montana who have jumped through all the hoops described above to legally own a suppressor.

Suppressors "silence" a hunting rifle just like in the movies.  Excuse me?  Come back to reality.  There are two components to the sound a rifle makes, the muzzle blast and the sonic boom of the bullet flying through the air faster than the speed of sound.  Suppressors reduce (NOT "silence") the muzzle blast.  Suppressors do absolutely nothing to the sonic boom.  At the rifle, the muzzle blast may be louder than the sonic boom for a very high-powered, unsuppressed rifle.  However, for anything more than about one hundred yards downrange, the sonic boom is the loudest part of the gunshot sound.  The sonic boom is constant throughout the supersonic flight of a bullet, about 1,000 yards for a .308 Winchester.  The level of sound from a bullet sonic boom is 150 decibels, twice the amount of sound deemed unsafe by OSHA for a person without hearing protection.  This volume of sound emanates from the bullet throughout its supersonic travel and is most of what a person hears from a distant rifle shot.

Hunting with a suppressed rifle is not "ethical."  This is an argument made for irrational people.  First, will the people making this argument also insist that archery hunting is unethical because it's so quiet?  Probably not because such people find no need to be consistent.  Okay, the opponents admit, but what about an animal being hit by a silent bullet at a longer distance than an archer can shoot?  Isn't that unethical?  For the mushy-headed, it's back to Physics 101.  Remember that hunting rifle bullets are supersonic, right?  That means they go faster than the speed of sound, right?  That means that the bullet from EVERY hunting rifle hits the animal before the sound gets to the animal, right?  The animal is silently shot before the sound gets there from either a suppressed OR unsuppressed hunting rifle.  Okay, the dogmatic opponent admits, but if you miss your shot at the animal, for ethical hunting the animal should hear the sound so it can run away.  Back to Physics 101.  Remember the sonic boom - 150 decibels - twice that allowed by OSHA without hearing protection?  Suppose your shot flies a foot above the elk you shoot at.  Are you really arguing that an elk can't hear a 150-decibel sound originating a foot away.  Anyone who would make the "ethical" argument about suppressors is certainly challenged, but not by "unethical" suppressors.

Legalizing suppressors will only cause more poaching.  Let's get one thing straight for starters.  Criminals break the law.  That's just what they've chosen to do.  Poachers will poach.  Okay, say the opponents, but if people are allowed to legally use suppressors they will use them to poach, increasing poaching.  Let me see if I get this argument right.  A person who is so law abiding that he will wade through a ream of local and federal paperwork, get fingerprinted and photographed, get a letter of permission from his sheriff, pay up to $1,000 for his suppressor, and pay another $200 to the BATFE will then use this precious device to commit a crime that puts his hard-won suppressor AND his ability to possess any firearm at risk.  Right.

A rancher won't know if somebody is trespassing and hunting with a suppressor.  Back to physics 101.  Except near the muzzle of a hunting rifle, most of the noticeable sound from a rifle shot comes from the sonic boom, 150 decibels, unsafe for unprotected hearing according to OSHA.  Suppressors only reduce the muzzle blast at the rifle, but do nothing to decrease the sonic boom downrange.  There is a zone of about 100 yards surrounding the shooter where the muzzle blast is louder than the sonic boom.  Beyond that distance, most of what a rancher hears from a gunshot now is the sonic boom.  That would not change with suppressor use.  What would change is that if the rancher is within 100 yards of a suppressed rifle upon discharge, the rancher would still be less than 100 yards from a 150-decibel sonic boom.  The "rancher won't hear" argument will only make sense to a person totally inexperienced with suppressors (movies only), and who slept through Physics 101 in high school.

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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2011, 12:40:50 am »

Dear MSSA Friends,

MSSA's # 2 bill, SB 371, our bill to encourage the manufacture of
smokeless powder, primers and cartridge brass in Montana has been
scheduled for its public hearing before the House Taxation Committee
for Thursday, 3/31, at 8 AM, in room 152 of the State Capitol.

Please contact Committee members and ask the to restore to the bill
two features removed in the Senate; the tax breaks and the liability
protection.  come to the hearing if you can.

The tax breaks won't cost Montana anything because there is no such
business in Montana now.  If such a business starts, it will provide
jobs for Montana.

Montana already has liability protection for firearms and ammunition
manufactures.  The liability protection we want in the bill merely
extends this same protection to future manufacturers of powder,
primers and brass.

Remember, this is a clear RKBA issue.  There are only two plants in
the US that make powder now, and they're both owned by giant defense
contractors.  All other powder we use for ammo is imported, and
subject to any arbitrary import restriction.  We need to get business
like this jump-started in Montana to assure our ammunition supplies.

Thanks for your help!!!

Also, SB 414, wolf control, was passed by the Senate today on Second
Reading by 30-20

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com
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House Taxation Committee

Chair: Mark Blasdel (R-Somers)
Vice Chair: Mike Miller (R-Helmville)
Vice Chair: Dick Barrett (D-Missoula)
Steve Fitzpatrick (R-Great Falls)
Kelly Flynn (R-Townsend)
Alan Hale (R-Basin)
Brian Hoven (R-Great Falls)
Austin Knudsen (R-Culbertson)
Steve Lavin (R-Kalispell)
Sue Malek (D-Missoula)
Edie McClafferty (D-Butte)
Mary McNally (D-Billings)
Jerry O'Neil (R-Columbia Falls)
Mike Phillips (D-Bozeman)
Lee Randall (R-Broadus)
Wayne Stahl (R-Saco)
Janna Taylor (R-Dayton)
Kathleen Williams (D-Bozeman)
Max Yates (R-Butte) 
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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2011, 03:56:33 pm »


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Marbut-MSSA" <mssa@mtssa.org>
To: <mssa@mtssa.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:29 PM
Subject: Update from Helena


> Dear MSSA Friends,
>
> I just got back from Helena.   I appeared before the House Taxations
> Committee this morning at 8 AM in support of SB 371, MSSA's bill to
> encourage the production of powder, primers and brass in Montana.  I
> asked the Committee to restore two of the three incentives stripped
> out by the Senate Taxation Committee, the tax breaks and the
> liability protection.  I'm betting that the Committee WILL restore
> these needed incentives, and that the House will approve SB 371 in
> that form.  Then the trick will be to get the Senate to go along with
> House amendments.  I'll let you know when it's time to hammer the
> Senate with messages of support.  Meanwhile, it might be good
> insurance to message your Representative in the House asking his or
> her support for SB 371.
>
> HB 271, permitless carry.  The House has rejected Senate amendments
> and HB 271 has gone to a Conference Committee to iron out the
> differences between House and Senate versions.  I expect the
> Conference Committee to improve HB 271 from its current condition.
>
> SB 114, Sheriffs First.  SB 114 has been passed by the House in the
> watered-down version that came out of the Senate Judiciary
> Committee.  The Senate will now enroll SB 114 and it will go to the
> Governor for his signature.  SB 114 is so mild since the Senate
> amendments I can't imagine why the Governor wouldn't sign it into
> law.  However, if you're buddies with the Governor, you might want to
> ask him to sign SB 114.
>
> SB 135, carrying a firearm while using dogs to track wounded
> game.  SB 135 has passed the House and returned to the Senate for
> concurrence with House amendments.  I haven't studied through the
> amendments, but it appears the House left core provisions in place.
>
> SB 136, born in Montana, hunt in Montana.  SB 136 would allow people
> born in Montana (our kids, generally) to come home to hunt for twice
> the cost of residents, but would not force them to go through the
> lottery in hope of obtaining a license.  SB 136 has passed the House
> and has been returned to the Senate with amendments.
>
> SB 371, ammo component manufacturing - covered above.
>
> SB 402, provide for spring wolf hunts.  Passed by the Senate, sent to
> the House, assigned to the House FWP Committee, hearing today.
>
> SB 414, wolf control.  This is MSSA's wolf control bill.  Passed by
> the Senate, sent to the House, assigned to the House Appropriations
> Committee.  No hearing date assigned yet.
>
> Gary Marbut, president
> Montana Shooting Sports Association
> http://www.mtssa.org
> author, Gun Laws of Montana
> http://www.mtpublish.com
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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2011, 10:29:01 am »


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Marbut-MSSA" <mssa@mtssa.org>
To: <mssa@mtssa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:37 AM
Subject: FLASH - Wolf control bill hearing - 4/6


> Dear MSSA Friends,
>
> This late in the session, things happen fast in the Legislature.  I
> just got word this morning that MSSA's Wolf Control bill, SB 414,
> will have a public hearing before the House Appropriations Committee
> tomorrow (Wednesday, 4/6) morning at 8 AM in Room 102 of the State Capitol.
>
> Please show up if you can to support SB 414.  If you can't show up,
> please contact Committee members and urge them to support SB
> 414.  This bill is Montana's best chance to get control of invasive
> and destructive wolves.
>
> Also, SB 114, the stripped-down version of Sheriffs First, has gone
> to the governor for his signature.  You can call the Governor's
> office at 444-3111 if you wish to leave a message asking the Governor
> to be sure to sign SB 114.
>
> Gary Marbut, president
> Montana Shooting Sports Association
> http://www.mtssa.org
> author, Gun Laws of Montana
> http://www.mtpublish.com
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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2011, 04:58:58 pm »


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Marbut-MSSA" <mssa@mtssa.org>
To: <mssa@mtssa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 3:49 PM
Subject: More news from Helena


> Dear MSSA Friends,
>
> I've just come back from yet another trip to Helena, this time to
> testify in support of our Wolf Control bill, SB 414, before the House
> Appropriations Committee.  The Committee seemed receptive to the
> bill, but the Committee has not yet voted on the bill so stay
> tuned.  I hope you already contacted members of House Appropriations
> and asked them to support SB 414.
>
> SB 371, to encourage the manufacture of powder, primers and brass has
> cleared the House Taxation Committee, AND the Committee restored the
> two inducements we requested that had been stricken in the
> Senate.  SB 371 now goes to the House floor for Second
> Reading.  Contact your Representative and urge him or her to support SB 371.
>
> SB 114, the watered-down version of Sheriffs First, has been sent to
> the Governor for his signature.  No word on whether or not he'll sign
> it, but I can't think why he wouldn't.  Call the Governor's office at
> 444-3111 if you wish to urge the Governor to sign SB 114.
>
> HB 271, permitless carry, has gone to a conference committee to work
> out the differences between the Senate and House versions.  Stay
> tuned on this too.
>
> HB 174, to repeal the archaic suppressor law, is still stuck in the
> Senate Judiciary Committee.  Three critical senators, Murphy, Hutton
> and Peterson, are against HB 174 because the Montana Stockgrowers
> Association opposes the bill.  MSA testified against HB 174 at the
> Senate Judiciary public hearing and reiterated what they thought they
> knew about suppressors from having watched James Bond movies.  MSA
> lobbyist Jay Bodner has admitted since that he's never used a
> suppressor, or seen one used, and that probably the reasons for MSA
> opposition are incorrect.  I've asked Jay to switch the MSA position
> on HB 174, or at least officially back off opposition.  Jay says
> ranchers still don't like the bill, still based on information from
> James Bond movies. $%&&*&%@#&%$@.  It doesn't seem to be any sort of
> priority with Jay to cure his bosses misperceptions about
> suppressors, or correct MSA's wrongheaded opposition to HB 174.  If
> you know any ranchers who approve of suppressors, it is IMPORTANT for
> them to contact senators Murphy, Hutton and Peterson with that information.
>
> Enough for now, I need (NEED) to go burn some powder to chill out.
>
> Gary Marbut, president
> Montana Shooting Sports Association
> http://www.mtssa.org
> author, Gun Laws of Montana
> http://www.mtpublish.com
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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2011, 11:19:15 am »

Dear MSSA Friends,

HB 271, permitless carry is out of conference committee.  It has been amended to strip Senate amendments and to say that a person can carry concealed inside cities without a permit for "(g) a person eligible to possess a handgun under state or federal law"

HB 271 will now go to the full Senate and House for concurrence with the amendment of the conference committee.  Please contact BOTH your Senator and Representative and ask him or her to support the conference committee report on HB 271!!

Shooting Range Funding.  Funding for the Shooting Range Development program uses hunter license fees ONLY (no tax revenues) for FWP to make matching grants to local clubs to start or improve shooting ranges - to develop safe and suitable places for people to shoot.  This funding is controlled by HB 2, the budget bill for state government.  MSSA is requesting $1.5 million for the SRDP for the next two years.  FWP requested only $625K for the program in the proposed state budget.

HB 2 has gone to a conference committee to iron out differences between House and Senate versions of the state budget.  A conference committee includes three members from the Senate and three from the House.  Appointed to the conference committee from the Senate are senators Dave Lewis (R-Helena), Rick Ripley (R-wolf Creek), and Carol Williams (D-Missoula).  Appointed from the House are Walt McNutt (R-Sidney), John Esp (R-Livingston), and Jon Sesso (D-Butte).

Senator Dave Lewis (our good friend) has prepared an amendment for HB 2 to put another $850K into the SRDP to bring it up to the MSSA-requested $1.5 million (THANKS Dave).  Please contact the other members of the conference committee and urge them to support Senator Lewis's amendment to fully fund the SRDP.

Understand that the most contentious bill in the legislature is HB 2.  Democrats want to tax and spend more, and Republicans want to spend less.  So, to some extent we are swimming against the stream.  Therefore, it's important to note that this money is NOT tax revenue, but a small portion of each hunter's license fee being used to provide that hunter with a place to sight in and practice with his hunting rifle.  As I have told FWP, if people are not shooting, they won't be hunting and buying hunting licenses, affecting the long term financial health of FWP.

Suppressors.  The Montana Stockgrowers Association continues to oppose HB 174 because rancher members think suppressors are like the "silencers" they've seen in James Bond movies.  They believe that if the archaic law making it illegal to be in the "field or forest" with a suppressor is repealed, as HB 174 would do, people with legally-owned suppressors will suddenly become a rash of undetectable poachers on their ranches.  If you know any MSGA members, it is important for them to contact MSGA and ask MSGA to back off its opposition to HB 174 so we can spring it from the Senate Judiciary Committee where it is now tabled.

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com

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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 03:45:02 pm »


----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Marbut-MSSA
To: mssa@mtssa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:32 PM
Subject: SB 371 just passed House Second Reading


Dear MSSA Friends,

SB 371, MSSA's bill to encourage the manufacture of powder, primers and brass in Montana just passed Second Reading in the House by a vote of 62-38.

SB 371 will go to Third Reading tomorrow where it will likely pass by a similar vote.  Then it will go back to the Senate to see if the Senate will agree with House Amendments.  The House restored the tax breaks and liability protection that had been stripped in the Senate.  When SB 371 goes back to the Senate, we will need to crank up messages to the Senate in support of the revised bill.  I'll let you know when to launch.

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
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author, Gun Laws of Montana
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Re: Get ready: second half of legislative session
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2011, 06:52:09 pm »

Dear MSSA Friends,

SB 371, MSSA's bill to encourage manufacture of powder, primers and
brass in Montana is back again before the House on Second Reading,
having been re-referred to the House Appropriations Committee.

The House passed SB 371 again with a vote of 63-37.  SB 371 will
almost certainly be approved by the House on Third Reading tomorrow
by a similar vote.  If so, it will go to the Senate for Senate
concurrence with House amendments (to put tax breaks and liability
protection back into the bill).

MSSA's wolf control bill, SB 414, has been approved by the House
Appropriations Committee with the couple of changes I mentioned
previously were in the wind, plus one more that dilutes SB 414
some.  SB 414 is still forward progress and will soon come before the
full House for Second Reading action and vote.

Stay tuned.

Gary Marbut, president
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
author, Gun Laws of Montana
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