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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2013, 06:17:37 am »

I have always regarded the majority (NOT ALL) soldiers as "throw away males" from the societies and governments they protect.  There are exceptions, but large chunks of the soldiers over time are those that have tendancies that misfit them for regular society.   There are a few groups of soldier however that do not, I tend to think of them as popular militia who form up on a local basis for defense of their town, city, farms, and are pretty much like the local sports team the rest of the time.  Doing extra things that have them trained for when the bad days come.......

In the modern era wars have become so technical that there almost has to be a group of professionals that know all about the planes, tanks, and machine guns if for no other reason than to avoid the fate of the Palestinians and Native Americans.  Unable to unite and fight effectively against a larger possibly more advanced threat.

Armies and Governments (as in the guys that defend an overall society by merely existing) need to stay minimal.  Like a couple of college staffs and a few PhD's on the subjects around.  Just to deal with the larger issues around the world, like Hitlers, Stalins, and UNs.   
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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2013, 06:47:54 am »

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And a belated Happy Thanksgiving to you, Elias.

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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2013, 07:50:35 am »



Elias,
Do you or anyone else have dvd copies of her videos? Even transcripts would be fine if I could get them.
(snip)

Any help is much appreciated.

Gooch, I do not have any DVD copies of any of Josie's videos, nor do I have any transcript, so I can't help you with this. I would recommend that you go to a friend's house and ask to be allowed to view her vids on their computer. Or go to public library if you know of one which provides online computers. As for scripts, they wouldn't convey Josie's magic well enough to compete with her videos. Her magic is in her personal expression. She is not saying one thing new to liberty fighters - we've heard it all before. But the way in which she says it "works" for me, and apparently for a lot of other folks too.

As jamie has noted, what Josie is saying is basically what Larken Rose has (and a lot of our friends have) been saying for years. But as Larken's own article notes, after one week online Josie's download numbers are remarkable, and her figures dwarf Larken's works' figures. 

I had the pleasure of meeting Larken Rose a couple of years ago here in Montana while he was traveling about. Spent a few hours with him, bought his books, and found him to be a fine fellow. Also, Larken Rose is in the new movie which I worked on - MOLON LABE: How The Second Amendment Guarantees America's Freedom.   http://www.molon.us

Larken Rose has his own style as an individual. Josie The Outlaw has her style. Josie can reach millions of Americans without alienating them anywhere nearly as quickly as Larken can alienate people. Larken is careless with words, in that he is so deeply absorbed in his personal philosophy of freedom that he has lost certain sensitivities regarding how Other People interpret words. Titling a piece of work using the expression "shoot cops" is not the way to reach and teach cops. Period. To freedomistas, Larken's message is accepted, even with a grimace aside. With some notable exceptions, such as The Tiny Dot and similar works, Larken Rose insults people who do not know about liberty, which is most Americans. So, in typical libertarian style, he shoots himself in the foot by the way he approaches his readers. His masterpiece "When Should You Shoot A Cop", for example, only enrages most people before they even start to view it, and most who see the title never even open it. Larken is right about his philosophical views on liberty, voluntaryism, and cultural/social habit/norms. But is his purpose simply to be "right", or is it to help educate people who do not know about liberty principles? The "Choir" knows he's right and that his argument is strong and supported in fact. But he ain't reaching the people who NEED to hear the message, because he has - well, I don't know exactly why; I just know that he ain't getting his message out to the people who do not know about liberty but should know about it.

To his everlasting credit, he has helped Josie The Outlaw produce hard-hitting vids which do not shock people into clicking the "stop" button on their video viewer screen. Josie is easy for most cops and soldiers to listen to, and the very cops and soldiers who will accept this message of freedom from Josie will in most cases turn off Larken before they even get his video started. Being sensitive to one's target audience is a must, imo. That is why I'm interviewing Josie The Outlaw right now, as we speak. She is a happy, confident, knowledgeable, and passionate advocate for personal liberty and the personal responsibility from which that freedom comes. She likes Oath Keepers and sees what we're doing with the organization, and wants to be supportive for Oath Keepers. While Larken aims most of his messages to the Choir, Josie is aiming her message to the people at large. Her way of being herself appeals to a wide spectrum of Americana. Her message is as hard-hitting as Larken Rose's or any number of other Liberty fighters' messages, but her personal demeanor softens the blow so the uninitiated will not erect mental barriers at the outset. Josie The Outlaw is a teaching tool for the liberty movement. I'll let you know when I publish Oath Keepers' interview with her.

Take care, Gooch.
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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #63 on: December 11, 2013, 09:47:47 am »

Excellent overview, Elias.

I am continually saddened and amazed by the libertarians who, as the enemy army looms closer and closer, toss potential friends onto the other side of the ramparts.

Apparently the idea of marketing is AWOL in their DNA.
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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #64 on: December 11, 2013, 12:28:20 pm »

I am continually saddened and amazed by the libertarians who, as the enemy army looms closer and closer, toss potential friends onto the other side of the ramparts.
Apparently the idea of marketing is AWOL in their DNA.
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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #65 on: December 11, 2013, 01:33:18 pm »

There is a vast difference between agreeing to disagree, working together with people who differ in approach... and compromising with evil. And nobody can decide which is which for someone else in the long run.
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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2013, 12:07:03 am »

And nobody can decide which is which for someone else in the long run.
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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2013, 12:10:29 am »

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Happy Thanksgiving, Silver. (And anyone else reading this too!)
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And a belated Happy Thanksgiving to you, Elias.

Hey Rags! Good to hear from you Mon! Hope all goes well for you and yours. We need a long phone visit, but my new residence in the middle of Nowhere Montana has no cell service. (at present - that might get cured, maybe) My email service still works though. ;)

Merry Christmas, Dude.
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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2013, 03:27:59 am »

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There is a vast difference between agreeing to disagree, working together with people who differ in approach... and compromising with evil. And nobody can decide which is which for someone else in the long run.

Oh............you've come to that conclusion too eh?
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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2013, 04:12:34 pm »

Reading through this thread I keep thinking...the more things change the more they stay the same.

In the end the answer to individual freedom from government tyranny will always be the same.

Thoreau gave that answer in 1849...and if I am learning anything about how much things really do stay the same...someone probably said it before that.

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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #70 on: December 15, 2013, 03:26:48 pm »



Elias,
Do you or anyone else have dvd copies of her videos? Even transcripts would be fine if I could get them.
(snip)

Any help is much appreciated.

Gooch, I do not have any DVD copies of any of Josie's videos, nor do I have any transcript, so I can't help you with this. I would recommend that you go to a friend's house and ask to be allowed to view her vids on their computer. Or go to public library if you know of one which provides online computers. As for scripts, they wouldn't convey Josie's magic well enough to compete with her videos. Her magic is in her personal expression. She is not saying one thing new to liberty fighters - we've heard it all before. But the way in which she says it "works" for me, and apparently for a lot of other folks too.

As jamie has noted, what Josie is saying is basically what Larken Rose has (and a lot of our friends have) been saying for years. But as Larken's own article notes, after one week online Josie's download numbers are remarkable, and her figures dwarf Larken's works' figures. 

I had the pleasure of meeting Larken Rose a couple of years ago here in Montana while he was traveling about. Spent a few hours with him, bought his books, and found him to be a fine fellow. Also, Larken Rose is in the new movie which I worked on - MOLON LABE: How The Second Amendment Guarantees America's Freedom.   http://www.molon.us

Larken Rose has his own style as an individual. Josie The Outlaw has her style. Josie can reach millions of Americans without alienating them anywhere nearly as quickly as Larken can alienate people. Larken is careless with words, in that he is so deeply absorbed in his personal philosophy of freedom that he has lost certain sensitivities regarding how Other People interpret words. Titling a piece of work using the expression "shoot cops" is not the way to reach and teach cops. Period. To freedomistas, Larken's message is accepted, even with a grimace aside. With some notable exceptions, such as The Tiny Dot and similar works, Larken Rose insults people who do not know about liberty, which is most Americans. So, in typical libertarian style, he shoots himself in the foot by the way he approaches his readers. His masterpiece "When Should You Shoot A Cop", for example, only enrages most people before they even start to view it, and most who see the title never even open it. Larken is right about his philosophical views on liberty, voluntaryism, and cultural/social habit/norms. But is his purpose simply to be "right", or is it to help educate people who do not know about liberty principles? The "Choir" knows he's right and that his argument is strong and supported in fact. But he ain't reaching the people who NEED to hear the message, because he has - well, I don't know exactly why; I just know that he ain't getting his message out to the people who do not know about liberty but should know about it.

To his everlasting credit, he has helped Josie The Outlaw produce hard-hitting vids which do not shock people into clicking the "stop" button on their video viewer screen. Josie is easy for most cops and soldiers to listen to, and the very cops and soldiers who will accept this message of freedom from Josie will in most cases turn off Larken before they even get his video started. Being sensitive to one's target audience is a must, imo. That is why I'm interviewing Josie The Outlaw right now, as we speak. She is a happy, confident, knowledgeable, and passionate advocate for personal liberty and the personal responsibility from which that freedom comes. She likes Oath Keepers and sees what we're doing with the organization, and wants to be supportive for Oath Keepers. While Larken aims most of his messages to the Choir, Josie is aiming her message to the people at large. Her way of being herself appeals to a wide spectrum of Americana. Her message is as hard-hitting as Larken Rose's or any number of other Liberty fighters' messages, but her personal demeanor softens the blow so the uninitiated will not erect mental barriers at the outset. Josie The Outlaw is a teaching tool for the liberty movement. I'll let you know when I publish Oath Keepers' interview with her.

Take care, Gooch.
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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2013, 07:27:17 am »

Hey Wayd,
I was on Clarkston Road last week, heading to Logan when, just before that railed curve on the west end of the NRA range I had to stop for a herd of Antelope. Got to count 'em all. It was thirty head. They were looking at the river below, early morning. But my question is: Are you able to keep those chickens warm when it's 20 below and ice? Sheesh!

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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2013, 07:44:32 am »

Excellent overview, Elias.

I am continually saddened and amazed by the libertarians who, as the enemy army looms closer and closer, toss potential friends onto the other side of the ramparts.

Apparently the idea of marketing is AWOL in their DNA.

SMS,
I hear you're now in the southerly side of Hamilton/Missoula. I'll be over that way in January. You and I can hook up if you will hit this link and send me your email please. Use my name, "Elias" and it will get to me:  http://oathkeepers.org/oath/contact/

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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2013, 06:03:06 pm »

Hey Wayd,
I was on Clarkston Road last week, heading to Logan when, just before that railed curve on the west end of the NRA range I had to stop for a herd of Antelope. Got to count 'em all. It was thirty head. They were looking at the river below, early morning. But my question is: Are you able to keep those chickens warm when it's 20 below and ice? Sheesh!

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I just provide them a draft free indoor environment and keep the water from freezing with a heat lamp, and feed them...they do the rest.

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Re: Time for the oath keepers to expand
« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2013, 03:47:47 am »

I have always regarded the majority (NOT ALL) soldiers as "throw away males" from the societies and governments they protect.  There are exceptions, but large chunks of the soldiers over time are those that have tendancies that misfit them for regular society.   There are a few groups of soldier however that do not, I tend to think of them as popular militia who form up on a local basis for defense of their town, city, farms, and are pretty much like the local sports team the rest of the time.  Doing extra things that have them trained for when the bad days come.......

In the modern era wars have become so technical that there almost has to be a group of professionals that know all about the planes, tanks, and machine guns if for no other reason than to avoid the fate of the Palestinians and Native Americans.  Unable to unite and fight effectively against a larger possibly more advanced threat.

Armies and Governments (as in the guys that defend an overall society by merely existing) need to stay minimal.  Like a couple of college staffs and a few PhD's on the subjects around.  Just to deal with the larger issues around the world, like Hitlers, Stalins, and UNs.

I have always regarded soldiers in ground combat units as the best of America.  Some of them may not be but they aren't  the majority. They aren't "throwaways" as you describe.  The better units, Rangers, 82nd Airborne, maybe 10th mountain, SF, Force Recon, maybe line Marine infantry aren't as you describe. I realize the dominant TMM meme is contrary to this.  I don't agree.  I don't agree with the Silver's of this forum in this respect.

.  Combat support and support are a different story.

There are many more aspects to ground combat than what you probably conceive of as 'technical' .

And then there are ARNG units. So in spite of people like Silver and their hatred of soldiers, the jury is still out there guy.
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