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Ted Nielsen

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« on: August 10, 2004, 11:57:29 pm »

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2004, 01:02:45 am »

Are there any "64 bit only" apps that you simply can't live without?
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2004, 10:27:50 am »

A 64-bit processor really only gives you an advantage if you're running a 64-bit OS and 64-bit applications.  You should have the 64-bit OS covered with Mandrake 10.0 (or just about any distro of linux since the kernel compiles based on what processor you're running when you compile it, or so my understanding goes).  I don't know of a whole lot of 64-bit apps running around out there right now, so unless you write and compile your own, I'd say probably not.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2004, 12:21:50 pm »

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2004, 01:54:06 pm »

Ted,

When you get that 64 bit proccessor you better also get that three terrabyte hard drive and a few gigs of memory to hold that monstrous operating system and application software......

But then again software drives the hardware industry and hardware drives the software industry so by 2008 chances are you won't even be able to get your email unless you have that three terrabyte hard drive and three gigs of ram using the available software of that time....

BTW: do you know that one can still create a DOS or linux boot disk(1.44 meg) and shoehorn everything needed to access the net and send and receive email onto it.........in glorious "text only" mode.
Add a ramdisk, and one can download and run applications in ram.....and still never leave traces or tracks on that computer....

 
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2004, 04:56:08 pm »

Yeah, ZooT, but if I wanted a portable OS, I'd tend to prefer something a little heftier, like a live CD distro of Linux.  DamnSmall Linux fits on a 50 meg business card CD, runs from it, and has a GUI.  It does use a graphical (<-- heheh, that should say "text-based") client for AOL Instant Messenger (nAIM) and the PPP client is mostly text based to save space.
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2004, 09:30:25 pm »

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2004, 10:45:08 am »

The only reasons I can think of for needing a 64 bit system, is that either you need to access a HUGE amount
of memory, or you're doing complex simulations like weather, or high energy systems, or you are doing graphic
frame rendering (maybe).

In any case, I should be playing with Red Hat's 64 bit system in the near future at work.  I'll post a report on it if
I find any quirks compared to the regular 32 bit system.

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2004, 05:43:13 am »

From the August 15, 2004 issue of CRYPTO-GRAM a little cut-and-paste:

Here's an interesting hardware security vulnerability.  Turns out that
it's possible to update the AMD K8 processor (Athlon64 or Opteron)
microcode.  And, get this, there's no authentication check.  So it's
possible that an attacker who has access to a machine can backdoor the CPU.


Look here or here
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2004, 01:13:36 pm »

The links don't work.




 
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2004, 01:35:15 pm »

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2004, 08:24:13 am »

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The links don't work.
I was pretty tired when I posted that...

Looking at them,  it seems like the first one has an extra ">" near the end.  The second one has an extra "http://" at the front and a pair of "<" and ">" that should be removed.

Sorry about that.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2004, 08:47:17 pm »

is there a way patch this? or just wait for the updated motherboards?
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