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George Potter

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Outlaw Trail
« on: January 09, 2007, 10:16:05 pm »


Why not?

Look at the projects we have going: my book, the cookbook, a proposed GN, rumblings 'bout a H'Ville anthology, Joel's stuff, Shorty's Stuff, lots and lots of in-the-works Writer's Block threads...

Profits could go to support the forum, Wolfesblog, any 'emergency fund' thing that crops up, etc.

We could run it through lulu. Pagan could be Editor-In-Chief.

Any comments or thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2007, 10:24:22 pm »

  I think this is a FANTASTIC idea. Anything to get George's works out into the public eye. As well as Claire's work not yet in print. If I thought Shorty Stuff was wanted, I'd definitely include it. (Tat's for you guys to say. Not me. I'm terribly biased, you see.) Any of the writers here in 'writer's block' are worthy of publishing, in my view.

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Re: Outlaw Press
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2007, 10:25:52 pm »

Outlaw Press!  :laugh: I love it.

And Pagan as editor-in-chief, CL and Thunder as cover designers, coupla good proofreaders ...

Only thing is, if anyone wants to run with this idea, I'd like to propose a plan never before heard of in the publishing world. I actually think the profits (get ready ... this is a difficult concept to grasp in this industry) ... should go to the people who do the work -- whether the work be writing, copy-editing, photography, illustration, layout, etc.

Oh, okay. Set aside a little for an emergency bail fund or something. But Power to the Creatives!

And hey, Shorty, I can see some quaintly illustrated tales of Upton's Corners ...
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2007, 10:27:38 pm »

The big thing, of course, is distribution. Well, that and marketing. But especially distribution.

I know the big breakthrough is on its way that will enable independents to get their books out there better. But so far, that's still the giant hurdle.
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Re: Outlaw Press
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2007, 10:34:26 pm »

  And soon...... Tales of Too-Tall Dawkins!!!!    :laugh:
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Re: Outlaw Press
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2007, 10:38:02 pm »

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2007, 10:42:32 pm »

If I thought Shorty Stuff was wanted, I'd definitely include it.

It is.

Thanks for that, Kirsten.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2007, 10:44:56 pm »

  I have been thinking for a while about a Shorty Dawkins Songbook. Maybe this is something for the Outlaw Press. I can prepare sheet music and lyrics with a notation program I have. Ready to print.

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Re: Outlaw Press
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2007, 10:47:21 pm »

I actually think the profits (get ready ... this is a difficult concept to grasp in this industry) ... should go to the people who do the work -- whether the work be writing, copy-editing, photography, illustration, layout, etc.


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George Potter

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Re: Outlaw Press
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2007, 10:50:16 pm »

If I thought Shorty Stuff was wanted, I'd definitely include it.

It is.

Yup. :)
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2007, 10:58:50 pm »

I agree with Claire. Once proceeds start going to the 'organization' or the collective, we've kinda screwed the pooch.
Of course, the author can *choose* to donate his or her earnings, but I'd have uses for the money if I sold any copies.
(like... that M1A I've been wanting...)
Naturally, any publisher will have to take care of their expenses as well, so the board can be included in the overhead.
Besides, it's a great place to scout new talent (or lack thereof... I can't really say I'm publishable, but I do enjoy kudos anyway).

This would be a great way to get a bunch of good short stories and poetry together in book form.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2007, 09:31:49 am »

Well, I'd certainly be in.  Though, like Claire, I'm actually hoping to supplement my income with my writing at some point, and would like - if George doesn't mind - to keep a good bit of the money my books earn.  I realize how selfish that makes me, and I'm deeply asha...wait: no I'm not.

She has already mentioned the hard part, though.  Publishing's easy; Lulu's as exclusive as a rainstorm.  It's marketing where we fall down.  Outlaw Press (love that name!) needs somebody who knows how to market.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2007, 09:37:02 am »

  I, too, would like to supplement my income. I would, however, like to see a portion of the income go to helping TCF, since it is at TCF that the idea was hatched.

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Re: Outlaw Press
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2007, 03:49:53 am »

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I actually think the profits (get ready ... this is a difficult concept to grasp in this industry) ... should go to the people who do the work -- whether the work be writing, copy-editing, photography, illustration, layout, etc.

I think it should all go to the "Let's get ZooT drunk" fund  :laugh:
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2007, 05:18:28 am »

Geez, Gloryroad ... I just saw this thread.

“Outlaw Press” is a GREAT idea; I’d love to see it start up  – and succeed! There’s so much good talent on this forum – prose, poetry and songs, photography, video, etc – that it’s a shame to see it go to waste just for our eyes alone; not to mention being able to get the “outlaw” word out to the sheeple.

1) Uh – me as Editor-in-Chief? I’m not sure I know enough about that, I’d need some help. Page layout is my interest, what I know better, and what I wanted to concentrate on. Doesn’t mean I couldn’t – but ...

2) I’m still in the process of finding some contacts for suppliers, etc. for my own business. Will search around for Marketing sources, too.

3) If Outlaw Press got off the ground, it would be a full-time job as far as I’m concerned – and what I’d prefer to do, no matter which hat(s) I wore.  But I really wouldn’t want OP to flounder within a year, so I’d have to start up my own page layout business at that time. Are you writers committed to full-time writing? (Not as your only job, but writing when you’re not working at other jobs.)
3a) Would we have enough output to make it as a publisher? Would we be trying to recruit other writers (e.g., some that came from Loompanics) down the road? Would we be trying to obtain some of those and other books to put in our stable?

4) Will some of this literary material go into PDF for reading online? (If put online, I think it should go into PDF if we’re going to retain some control over it.)

5) I think a flat percentage ought to be taken off the top for TCF.

6) May I suggest Dare as editor/proofreader – if she’s interested?

7) May I suggest lewlew (Victory Graphics) – if she’ s interested – to print any promotional copy that OP needs; and any non-book output (brochures, pamphlets) for OP, and any pamphlets/booklets from the writers themselves? 
I think we should “keep it in the family” as much as possible; also work with as few different resources as possible, to keep it consistent and to keep it focused on the cause of freedom and outlawry.

Sorry – you asked for response and I got carried away. :-)

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