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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #75 on: October 27, 2009, 09:47:47 pm »

Freelee,  there are a lot of good people like that all over the country, not only here in TN.  One thing that showed me that was all sorts of natural disasters and the way that so many individual respond to help people, strangers, travelers, etc.  Yes, there are a lot of criminals just waiting for a chance to take advantage of other people's misfortune, but lots of good folks too.   Best to you and yours. Wishing you safety in travels and a return to home.

                            Respectfully, RN
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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #76 on: October 29, 2009, 11:26:26 am »

Freelee,  there are a lot of good people like that all over the country, not only here in TN.  One thing that showed me that was all sorts of natural disasters and the way that so many individual respond to help people, strangers, travelers, etc.  Yes, there are a lot of criminals just waiting for a chance to take advantage of other people's misfortune, but lots of good folks too.   Best to you and yours. Wishing you safety in travels and a return to home.

                            Respectfully, RN

Thank you RN. When I return I hope to meet some like minded indivduals like myself who believe in Prepardness and survial. Lets not forget FREEDOM. Best to you and yours too.

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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #77 on: December 09, 2009, 03:26:23 pm »

Are there any good people in Canada? More specifically BC?
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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #78 on: December 25, 2009, 10:50:51 am »

My wife and I see the collapse coming.  We are trying like mad to get the skills we need.  At the same time I work at a lucrative job that pays for setting p the homestead.  90 miles to any place significant.  We were lucky.  We moved here 9 months ago.  4 of our 5 neighbors feel the same way about what is coming.  They have lived here all their lives so it made me realize rural "ain't stupid".  We each have 200+ acres and fencing and ponds.  My advice to someone trying to go "poof" from the city is to get skills first.  We were city folk.  We took the family cow course, family goat course, started raising chickens on our own, we have been intensively studying gardening and agriculture, lead throwers, blacksmithing, rudimentary carpentry, animal husbandry, and other things.  Tis amazing how much time you have when you don't have television.  Skills are what could feed you if you can't afford a hidey hole and supplies.
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Hear Hear G_w.

It is my personal opinion that skills may be as important as, or more than, any other form of preparation.
While one cannot eat their "skills"  IF one of those skills is knowing the edible wild foods that grow in your area ....

[perhaps The Most Important Skill to me personally .... YMMV]

While tools can break and or be taken from you [stolen] Mother Nature keeps on growing foodstuffs both flora and fauna.

Learning what is edible in the "wild" in your environment could someday make the difference between survival and those other two options. [slavery to the tyrant hoarding the "food" and death]

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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #79 on: December 26, 2009, 05:35:38 am »

Skills and knowledge are the most impotant by far.  Some stuff squirreled away is good, but if you have no way of replacing it with something you can grow or gather, you fail the test.  The same with tools, if you do not have the tools to make replacements for tools, or the knowledge of how to start from scratch (stone knife/axe with Bow) you are going to be in trouble.  I am gradually working my way back down to where I am properly "Heinleinized".

I look at primitive stuff for fun because I may need to at least have the concept down for reinvention when I find myself barehanded in the wild.  Knowing it can be done is probably more than half the battle.

No batteries for energy storage for me, when I can I will rig up wind pumped hydro, or compressed air reservoir in place of something that needs 2 toxic/ dangerous mineral/chemicals and at least 4 different trades to build (miner, smith, chemist, glassblower-the case-, acid and lead). Not to mention the tools needed to make the thing from scratch.   

Air compression requires a bike pump and a buried airtight vault with pipes, nothing toxic and only the hazzard of sudden air release. Pumped Hydro requires a windmill some pipe and an elevated pond.  If a dam is involved, then make sure its bursting path is in a useful direction away from the house. Both technologies are fairly quiet and are sustainable with handmade items. (tubing could become an issue, but if done right, that will last several lifetimes)

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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #80 on: April 19, 2010, 08:33:04 pm »

I got really interested in storing food and planning ahead when my husband and I went through our own personal SHTF.  Right after sept 11th my husbands job nosedived.  He tried to stick it out, but we had no money.  And I mean no money!  We had 3 children and a mountain of debt.  He got a night job cleaning a local church and I worked during the day babysitting in my home.  Putting all three kids in daycare would have taken care of any money I would have made working elsewhere.  It got so bad that I had to go to the food bank with my 3 little ones.  Let me tell you that was the most humiliating part of it.  I was sitting next to crack addicts and homeless people.  When I went into to be interviewed the lady behind the desk told me I shouldn't have had so many kids!  So it's OK to give food to drug addicts, but not to a struggling mom with three kids under 5?!! Talk about charity!!  After that I swore I would never be in the position where someone tells me right in front of my children that they shouldn't exist! 

One month later we threw in the towel, got a job two states away for good money and started fresh.  Now we are out of debt and will never get credit or payments of any kind.  I have enough food stored for a year so I will never have to ask for a handout unless it really is a SHTF.  And we grow and can most of our food.  I'm still not as prepared as I would wish for TSHTF, but really who is?  There is so much that we can't forsee.  We can make educated guesses but that is all.

What I really want is to join or start a group in our area of north eastern washington state, but I have not met one person who has even a month supply of emergency supplies.  And I don't want to broadcast around that we have lots of food reserves.
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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #81 on: April 19, 2010, 09:50:07 pm »

I got really interested in storing food and planning ahead when my husband and I went through our own personal SHTF.  Right after sept 11th my husbands job nosedived.  He tried to stick it out, but we had no money.  And I mean no money!  We had 3 children and a mountain of debt.  He got a night job cleaning a local church and I worked during the day babysitting in my home.  Putting all three kids in daycare would have taken care of any money I would have made working elsewhere.  It got so bad that I had to go to the food bank with my 3 little ones.  Let me tell you that was the most humiliating part of it.  I was sitting next to crack addicts and homeless people.  When I went into to be interviewed the lady behind the desk told me I shouldn't have had so many kids!  So it's OK to give food to drug addicts, but not to a struggling mom with three kids under 5?!! Talk about charity!!  After that I swore I would never be in the position where someone tells me right in front of my children that they shouldn't exist! 

One month later we threw in the towel, got a job two states away for good money and started fresh.  Now we are out of debt and will never get credit or payments of any kind.  I have enough food stored for a year so I will never have to ask for a handout unless it really is a SHTF.  And we grow and can most of our food.  I'm still not as prepared as I would wish for TSHTF, but really who is?  There is so much that we can't forsee.  We can make educated guesses but that is all.

What I really want is to join or start a group in our area of north eastern washington state, but I have not met one person who has even a month supply of emergency supplies.  And I don't want to broadcast around that we have lots of food reserves.

Been there, done that, on the food bank thing. You were lucky to only have to go once.
Both my parents worked all day to pay rent and utilities in the projects. Thank G-d we only
lived there 10 years or so. We used the food bank for a few years from my third grade until
the sixth grade. We slept on the floor until we got an Income tax return for beds. We got
our couch out of the trash. Our table was a gift from the local church. Us kids still ate sitting
on the floor. Mine is not the only story of poverty on these boards. We know how it feels too.
Most of us have gone through troubled times like yours. So in short: We're here for ya.
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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2010, 12:39:32 am »

I got really interested in storing food and planning ahead when my husband and I went through our own personal SHTF.  Right after sept 11th my husbands job nosedived.  He tried to stick it out, but we had no money.  And I mean no money!  We had 3 children and a mountain of debt.  He got a night job cleaning a local church and I worked during the day babysitting in my home.  Putting all three kids in daycare would have taken care of any money I would have made working elsewhere.  It got so bad that I had to go to the food bank with my 3 little ones.  Let me tell you that was the most humiliating part of it.  I was sitting next to crack addicts and homeless people.  When I went into to be interviewed the lady behind the desk told me I shouldn't have had so many kids!  So it's OK to give food to drug addicts, but not to a struggling mom with three kids under 5?!! Talk about charity!!  After that I swore I would never be in the position where someone tells me right in front of my children that they shouldn't exist! 

One month later we threw in the towel, got a job two states away for good money and started fresh.  Now we are out of debt and will never get credit or payments of any kind.  I have enough food stored for a year so I will never have to ask for a handout unless it really is a SHTF.  And we grow and can most of our food.  I'm still not as prepared as I would wish for TSHTF, but really who is?  There is so much that we can't forsee.  We can make educated guesses but that is all.

What I really want is to join or start a group in our area of north eastern washington state, but I have not met one person who has even a month supply of emergency supplies.  And I don't want to broadcast around that we have lots of food reserves.

Been there, done that.  You know the really funny part, though?  I had bought, previous to my financial crash, a Ford Escort station wagon that we could all fit in if one kid rode in the back storage area.  It was 2 years old when I went to apply for food stamps.

I was turned down because, as the lady at the FS office told me, "your car is too new."  I guess they thought I could have sold it and bought a junker, which I guess I could have, but the Escort was paid for.  I never went back, instead we bought a used lawnmower at a garage sale, and my kids and I started mowing and cleaning yards for extra cash.  I came out way better off.

I feel like Scarlet O'Hara, "I'll never go hungry again."    ^_^
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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2010, 09:12:10 am »


I feel like Scarlet O'Hara, "I'll never go hungry again."    ^_^

You know I was thinking that line while I typed the above!
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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2010, 03:22:53 pm »

Let's say the US and world economy tanks  (if you don't see the precipice, open your eyes).

The politicians want to continue to leech. They make up smooth BS to keep the great middle slaving for them.
The court advisors (gov't school professors) want to continue leeching. They make up nice numbers and theories supporting the ruling elite - and their own full tummies.
The welfare/social security recipients wanna continue leeching. They chant "Amen" to the above.
The great middle doesn't wanna be cast out unprotected, so they do as told, believe all, deny truth, etc.
The palace guard is happy to kick, shoot, stomp and otherwise abuse as long as they are granted license and given an occasionaly shiny medal.

There may be some I overlooked, but there is THE ENEMY.
Who are the fighters, and who are their friends?  (As an aside, it only takes about 3% of the former and 10% of the latter.)

Now I drag in another thread on this forum regarding personality types as defined by: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes1.htm.

The "Masterminds" (Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Judging) though rare, are heavily represented in this forum.  Obviously they are going to work for liberty. 

Who do we work with?
How do we find them?

I think this personality typing is the key.  Define your market.  Target your market. 

Get ready, cuz it's coming soon. Or find Gault's Gulch ...  but I'm thinking we can win this one from the outside (remote spaces) in (population centers)... or, if at least the remote spaces remain free, I'm cool with that... assuming mine is remote enough.

So what I am asking here is for help in defining the market for libertarian ideas.  I know my ENFJ wife is a strong teammate.  Can we count on all ENFJ's? 
Maybe all Thinkers? 
How would we target-market that group?
Maybe there is another way to select our target market.

We better get started.


As an aside, I had the horrible thought tonight that my wife's son is a happy member of the palace guard "sorry, Mom, I had to shoot your husband".  While I am ... who I am  "Sorry, Hon, I hadda shoot your son".  This is a particularly icky thought, but awfully possible - Has the book already been written?  If not, get busy, Claire.


Yeah I agree with you there....and I don't really know about whether or not there is a high concentration of Rational Masterminds on this forum....all I know, is that I am one.
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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2010, 04:48:54 pm »

Who are the fighters, and who are their friends?  (As an aside, it only takes about 3% of the former and 10% of the latter.)

"It seemed that rebellion must have an unassailable base, something guarded not merely from attack, but from the fear of it: such a base as we had in the Red Sea Parts, the desert, or in the minds of the men we converted to our creed. It must have a sophisticated alien enemy, in the form of a disciplined army of occupation too small to fulfill the doctrine of acreage: too few to adjust number to space, in order to dominate the whole area effectively from fortified posts. It must have a friendly population, not actively friendly, but sympathetic to the point of not betraying rebel movements to the enemy. Rebellions can be made by 2 percent, active in a striking force, and 98 percent passively sympathetic. The few active rebels must have the qualities of speed and endurance, ubiquity and independence of arteries of supply. They must have the technical equipment to destroy or paralyse the enemy’s organized communications, for irregular war is fairly Willisen’s definition of strategy, “the study of communication” in its extreme degree, of attack where the enemy is not." - T. E Lawrence
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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2010, 05:18:58 pm »

Leave off the "mastermind" crap. That invariably leads to tyranny and loss of individuality.

True leaders area also doers. People who can think rationally, extrapolate reason and action from many disparate facts and situations, then help others to learn to do so as well... these are the leaders. They are not threatened by other leaders and thinkers.

I am only a marginal "fighter," but I am a thinker. I am a friend.
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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2010, 08:00:47 pm »

Leave off the "mastermind" crap. That invariably leads to tyranny and loss of individuality.

True leaders area also doers. People who can think rationally, extrapolate reason and action from many disparate facts and situations, then help others to learn to do so as well... these are the leaders. They are not threatened by other leaders and thinkers.

I am only a marginal "fighter," but I am a thinker. I am a friend.


I think the mastermind reference is to a test, supposedly  tells you what kind of person you are. Rational mastermind is one of the categories. It is like the MMPI? Minnesota multi phasic something or other?  Don't remember much more. 
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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2010, 08:12:00 pm »

Keirsey Temperament Sorter?

http://www.keirsey.com/default.aspx

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Re: planning for TSHTF
« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2010, 11:20:02 pm »

Leave off the "mastermind" crap. That invariably leads to tyranny and loss of individuality.

True leaders area also doers. People who can think rationally, extrapolate reason and action from many disparate facts and situations, then help others to learn to do so as well... these are the leaders. They are not threatened by other leaders and thinkers.

I am only a marginal "fighter," but I am a thinker. I am a friend.


It's a type of personality test.....here's a link right her, to a description of it http://www.keirsey.com/handler.aspx?s=keirsey&f=fourtemps&tab=5&c=mastermind

All it is, is a personality, test result. They don't mean that I like to control people, or anything like that. It (the personality test which is based on the Myers-Briggs-Jung test) is surprisingly accurate the link to the test is right here
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