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Title: Scaring the straights
Post by: Dave Polaschek on April 15, 2006, 10:20:55 am
One of the more interesting things I've noticed in the past months, after taking a new full-time job and being out and interacting with folks on a daily basis, is that I sometimes have a tendency to "scare the straights".

It's not so much anything that's outright scary on my part, but things that seem to make people stop and ponder again.

Example 1: A friend and co-worker is going to zinc-plate some metal parts. Not sure why, but he needed to weigh some chemicals accurately, and asked if I had a decent scale. I said "Sure!" and asked if tenths of ounces was good enough or if he needed 1/70000 pound or 6 milligrams (http://www.danbbs.dk/~erikoest/weight.htm) accuracy, since my powder scale measures to a tenth of a grain. Apparently reloading ammunition is kinda scary.

Example 2: A month ago, there was a blizzard that kept many people from making it in to work. I was there, only to discover that the power was out. But apparently the fact that I made it to work in six inches of snow, wasn't concerned about getting stuck (4WD, plus cold-weather gear in the back of the Blazer), and actually spent most of the morning helping people who were stuck in the snow, rather than hanging around work waiting for the power to come back on marked me as a weirdo.

Example 3: A different friend and co-worker found out I was a "gun nut" from the guy in example 1. We were talking about the logistics of going to a range some day after work, and he was concerned with where he would park with guns in the car, since they aren't allowed on company property. I pointed out that since the company leases just the floor of the building we're in, and doesn't own the parking lot, it's fine to park with guns in the car, as long as they're locked seperately from the ammunition, because that's what city law says. Apparently I'm an odd duck for having researched this.

Example 4: In the process of converting from a contractor to an employee, I went over a month without a paycheck. I said that it wasn't really a problem, since I had a few months worth of food at home, and only had to worry about the regular bills and gas and lunch money during the work-week. Now I've been branded a survivalist with a basement bunker stocked up with enough to ride out armageddon (I WISH).

To be fair, a lot of this is good natured ribbing, and I play into it, doing things like pausing when asked "So how many guns DO you have?" before answering that I can't tell them for security reasons. Or when someone asks why there's a butane stove and winter clothing in the back of my SUV, I point out that it's good to be prepared (they're really there for tailgating in chilly weather). But I still find it interesting how many things I take for granted that boggle my co-workers.

I can't be the only one, right? So how have you scared the straights recently?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: velojym on April 15, 2006, 11:06:31 am
Well, there was this lady in a convenience store in Clovis NM who nearly had a conniption when she saw the Super Blackhawk (8.5" barrel) riding openly on my hip.
She must have been from out of state, and the cop who happened to be there buying donuts (really!) had to explain to her what 'open carry' meant.
I'd been shooting with the guy before, and he never got up the nerve to try the .44.
 :ph34r:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Dave Polaschek on April 15, 2006, 11:17:33 am
Another example I remembered in the shower...

The guy who borrowed my powder-scale sold a truck recently. Yesterday he was talking about how he wouldn't take a personal check or a money order or a cashier's check, but wanted cash. I made some smart-alec comment about the shoe was on the other foot now, and I wasn't the only paranoid one. He hemmed and hawed, and talked about how he'd gotten burned on a previous used vehicle sale, so he only trusted cash now for that sort of thing.

To make him feel better, I pointed out that the $3000 he'd gotten for his truck was darned near exactly 5 oz of gold. I'm once again the king of the tin-foil-hat brigade!

Moderators, if you want to move this to "The Agitator", I'm fine with that. It's not as mole-like as when I started typing.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: K. on April 15, 2006, 07:41:14 pm
This isn't limited to people with guns and / or stockpiles.

I grow a few fruit & veg. and keep 3 chickens. According to most of the people I know (most of whom play D & D on a regular basis) this makes me a 'weirdo' or a 'hippie'.  :huh: You should have seen their faces when I told them about my first dumpster diving experience  ^_^

During a pre-marital counselling course recently, the BF let slip that we don't watch TV. The room went silent. Questions started raining down on us. What do you do with your time? (Er, talk to each other? Play board games? Read?) What if there's something good on? (Mostly we don't hear about it, because all the advertising for shows is on television) When we mentioned that we do watch DVDs and videos occasionally, there was a huge sigh of relief. The fact remains that the TV is in one corner, the aerial is in the other, and we haven't yet found a program worth the effort of plugging in the cable that joins the two. Apparently this makes us really weird.  :ph34r:

Dave, I'm with you on the paycheck thing. I work part-time in a law office while getting my degree, and one co-worker in particular just couldn't believe that I wasn't hugely worried about having my hours reduced, getting fired etc. Even when I was there full-time, she was convinced I was living hand to mouth. This is the same woman who sent me down to the bank on work hours most Fridays to put money on her credit card so her insurance debit wouldn't bounce ... She went down to the same branch herself one day, and the tellers refused to believe she was the true owner of the credit card because she'd sent me down so many times  ^_^ She had to produce ID. But the concept that someone might actually be capable of surviving a few weeks (months, years) without a regular income is truly threatening to a lot of people. It's amazing how little personal choice is actually accepted in this era of 'doing your own thing'.  :angry:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: nurseflo on April 16, 2006, 02:02:12 am

How do you get much straighter than a nurse?  Yet I am viewed as not quite plumb because I have emergency supplies at home, in my car, and at the office.  We won't even go to how they view my political beliefs.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: coloradohermit on April 16, 2006, 09:17:10 am
My experience is that it's not just the "preparedness" that people find strange, but basic, non-dependent self-reliance. One morning on my way to my volunteer job, I saw my neighbor's girlfriend by the side of the road with a flat tire. She was almost in tears because she couldn't get hold of him to come change it for her. I changed it and she was absolutely astounded that I, a middle aged woman, knew how and was able.  Some of us just have the mindset that there's nothing we can't do ourselves and some have the mindset that there's nothing you can't pay to have done for you............and never the twain shall meet.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: dubber308 on April 16, 2006, 10:12:55 am
On my way home from work I spotted a minivan with a smashed front end on the side of the road. About half a dozen people were standing in the ditch staring at something. I pulled overto see if everything was all right. They had hit a little two-point whitetail. They were a group of UC Berkeley students on a summer trip seeing the national parks. One of the college-educated idiots was sitting next to the deer cradling it's head in his lap. The deer was NOT dead. Punctured lungs and probably paralyzed (the only reason I could think of that the deer wasn't kicking the shit out of idiot-boy). They asked me if I had a cell phone that worked. Told them this area was a dead zone. I told them they could use my phone at home to call a tow truck if they needed to, my house was about a half mile away. Then they wanted to know if I could call a vet to save the deer. I told them all to stand back. They backed away. I told the deer whisperer to back away from the deer. He gently laid the deer's head on the ground. I drew my .45 and put the deer out of it's misery. I don't know what scared them more, the fact that I shot the deer or the fact that I was carrying a gun.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Mr. Bill on April 16, 2006, 03:52:35 pm
...I sometimes have a tendency to "scare the straights".

"Freaking the mundanes" is the term used by various fringe groups (especially science-fiction convention attendees, SCA members, also goths, pagans, Discordians, etc. -- almost anyone who dresses weird or does weird things). Some people do it on purpose, for fun, and of course others say that's childish.

In my family, I am considered weird for suggesting that my parents, who live next door to the San Andreas Fault, maybe ought to have a few days of food and water in the house. So there are a lot of things I just don't bother talking about.

Here's an interesting contrarian article on freaking the mundanes (http://infinitycomplex.tripod.com/mundane.html) by a Discordian who once tried "mundaning the freaks" to see what it was like on the other side.

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There are no mundanes to freak. ... When we look down on them for being trapped by society's demands, or for not being able to see anything different, we're not helping them and we're not helping ourselves. ... The flip side is that we reinforce our own isolation. Dividing the world into us and them is self-defeating when we're such a tiny minority.

He's writing about the Discordian religion/philosophy, but his conclusions are general and may apply just as well to us. He's also being a bit preachy and doesn't suggest what real-world steps to take.

I don't really know a way to deal with the problem. Best I can suggest is (1) have respect for the "normals" as individuals, (2) don't dump your whole world-view on them, but say a few words about specific issues if opportunities arise, and (3) the rest of the time, talk about the weather.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Vrsovice Rebel on April 16, 2006, 06:25:32 pm
OOOOH yeah.

There was the lovely young lovely who bugged out on a date after she saw the "Trunk Kit" in my car with the SKS velcro-ed to the lid.

There was the co-worker who refused to work the same shifts as me for a month straight when he found out about my always-armed status...he got fired at the end of that month after getting into a fight with my boss about the fact that ( as it turned out ) almost the entire SHOP is like that...legally or otherwise.

There were the two random Yuppalopes who gave a slight shriek and quickly walked the other way from me when they saw me loading my rifles into a friends car for a day at the range.

The roomate who nearly moved out because he thought my FAL was an illegal machine gun...because "Only machine guns look like that!"

This not counting innumerable dirty, perplexed, and frightened looks from various sorts of people at rndom times.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Vrsovice Rebel on April 16, 2006, 08:53:07 pm
I should mention that I've gotten a roughly equivalent number of similarly dirty looks at various Patriot events dominated by Conservative Libertarians and Constitutionalists. They never expect a long-haired college kid who likes heavy metal and rap as well as Beethoven and Motzart, or his pierced/tattooed/shaven-headed little sister with similar musical tastes to be on their side.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on April 17, 2006, 12:45:08 pm
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There was the lovely young lovely who bugged out on a date after she saw the "Trunk Kit" in my car with the SKS velcro-ed to the lid.

Here's a thought: it seems that people who fear guns always assume that a gun will be used against them and never
to defend
them. I mean, the young lovely obviously didn't think that you're having a gun in the trunk would make you an
even better protector.

Bear

PS: Just a word to the wise - you might want to make the contents of your trunk kit less obvious.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: AnotherArmchair on April 17, 2006, 01:36:05 pm
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I don't really know a way to deal with the problem. Best I can suggest is (1) have respect for the "normals" as individuals, (2) don't dump your whole world-view on them, but say a few words about specific issues if opportunities arise, and (3) the rest of the time, talk about the weather.

+1 Mr. Bill. That's good advice for nearly any set of social circumstances. Don't force the issue, but always be ready with a polite and factual answer to an honest question.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Vrsovice Rebel on April 17, 2006, 05:26:27 pm
Bear;
  Sadly, the shape and small size of my trunk prevents this. My old Pontiac was great; the entire trunk-kit was self-contained and unobtrusive. To get the same amount of supplies and equipment into my Saturn, things have required re-arranging to accomodate the smaller space.

I agree with your assessment of her mindset, though...precisely the reason I wasn't too upset that she buggered out on the date. Most of my other ladyfriends, however, have been at least accepting ( and in two cases quite pleased ) with my mindset and preparation.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: securitysix on April 17, 2006, 06:05:19 pm
One of the more interesting things I've noticed in the past months, after taking a new full-time job and being out and interacting with folks on a daily basis, is that I sometimes have a tendency to "scare the straights".

It's not so much anything that's outright scary on my part, but things that seem to make people stop and ponder again.

Example 1: A friend and co-worker is going to zinc-plate some metal parts. Not sure why, but he needed to weigh some chemicals accurately, and asked if I had a decent scale. I said "Sure!" and asked if tenths of ounces was good enough or if he needed 1/70000 pound or 6 milligrams (http://www.danbbs.dk/~erikoest/weight.htm) accuracy, since my powder scale measures to a tenth of a grain. Apparently reloading ammunition is kinda scary.

:evil: Muahahahahhaha! :evil:

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Example 2: A month ago, there was a blizzard that kept many people from making it in to work. I was there, only to discover that the power was out. But apparently the fact that I made it to work in six inches of snow, wasn't concerned about getting stuck (4WD, plus cold-weather gear in the back of the Blazer), and actually spent most of the morning helping people who were stuck in the snow, rather than hanging around work waiting for the power to come back on marked me as a weirdo.

If we get a couple of inches of snow here in OK, they practically shut the state down.  Wanna get wierd looks?  Drive to work with 4 inches of snow on the ground in a rear wheel drive pickup with some weight in the bed of your truck and no snow chains, then tell them it was fun.  :D

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To be fair, a lot of this is good natured ribbing, and I play into it, doing things like pausing when asked "So how many guns DO you have?" before answering that I can't tell them for security reasons.

I just tell them I can't count that high, even naked.  If they get the redneck counting reference, they drop the subject because they know how high a male redneck can count naked.  If they don't get the reference, they drop the subject anyway because they're too busy looking for a way to stab out their mind's eye.  :evil:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Drizzten on April 20, 2006, 01:20:26 pm
When I begin my precious metals purchases (http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=9245.0), I expect my friends to eye me a bit oddly, even though they understand my motivations better than most people.

I have surprised many friends (unfortunately, most of them female) when they learn I own firearms.  The surprise is roughly doubled when I offer to take them to the range whenever they want.

Hell, when I started carrying a freakin' Leatherman on me 24/7, I had some conversations with coworkers to the effect of, "you don't really need that on you, do you?"  I then presented a list of things I did hardly the night before that, with basic tools on me, made my life better.

When a dangerous situation presents itself directly, this skepticism evaporates fast.  When it looked like Hurricane Rita was headed straight for Houston and at least a glancing blow on central Texas, no one was shooting queer looks at me because I had two cases of bottled water in my shopping basket...everyone else at HEB did as well.  Of course, the goal isn't to become prepared for emergencies hours before the emergency hits!  I was reminded of a good lesson that day.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: C.G. on April 20, 2006, 04:26:34 pm
My former circle of affiliates (mostly rock musicians in my area ... musicians of the very left wing variety) contained folks who could be horrified by the mere mentioning that I believe strongly in unrestricted firearm ownership and, in fact, possess and know how to use guns.  Many of them who were unfortunate enough to engage me in political conversation were equally appalled that I'm staunchly anti-tax and find the government in general to be quite useless.  Mind you, mere words provoked these reactions of outrage, as though the concepts of self-reliance and self-defense have never crossed their minds.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: freethinker on April 20, 2006, 08:03:40 pm
I'm fairly normal acting on the surface.  I do it for my family's sake. 

That will probably change when I turn eighteen and move out though.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Quackenstein on May 01, 2006, 03:22:17 pm
 Five guys, all in the building trades, standing around (not building anything),politics come up and I mention that I'm a libertarian, prompting one guy (who knew me only casually) to say,"I thought you were a Republican."

"Hell No!" says I, "Why would you think that, 'cause I'm white, middle-aged and not in a union?"

"Well, yeah." he said

I then explained to him that my idea of a perfect ruler was Mussolini

"But he was a fascist, wasn't he?" he asked.

"Oh, not the wartime Mussolini.", I explained, "The post-war Mussolini, the one hanging from the lamp post."

Three of them laughed because they thought I was kidding. The first one didn't because he knew I wasn't.


Now, maybe I prompted that. Speaking up about liberty is just opening yourself to attack and ostracism. Everybody agrees that you have to have law and order. I try to point out that Law & Order are diametrically opposed to Freedom & Liberty but the concept is lost on most people. That there are a few people who respond positively is the only reason I continue to engage in such conversations. Meeting intelligent like-minded folk is truly one of life's joys.

Quackenstein

P.S. Ceaucescu was pretty good too!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on May 31, 2006, 01:07:35 am
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"So how many guns DO you have?"

Just look at em real serious and tell em.......I don't know.....I haven't counted them lately......

What "really" freaks people out though is when the subject comes up, you show them a pic of some "assault rifle" that's in the middle of being "built" and tell them that you "roll your own"   :laugh:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: jamgusmc on June 30, 2006, 11:59:53 am
 Scaring the straights...hmmm I am going to assume you mean sheep, scaring straights in my area would self defeating :angry: I live in such an area that just asking that a doctor at the local clinic look at your kid before you have to drive an hour to the ER is enough to make them piss their pants and tell people your scary never mind if anyone knew I carried... shoot... its ok for politicians to kill someone during a DUI here or fake injuries to get 3 purple hearts to go home early, but God forbid you believe in God, believe in the constitution, own a gun,  or have an opinion that differs from the Vocal Minority! Well then, all hell breaks loose..
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on June 30, 2006, 06:00:57 pm
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Scaring the straights...hmmm I am going to assume you mean sheep, scaring straights in my area would self defeating angry I live in such an area that just asking that a doctor at the local clinic look at your kid before you have to drive an hour to the ER is enough to make them piss their pants and tell people your scary never mind if anyone knew I carried

Jamgusmc, I don't get this. Why would they care at the local clinic, other than you're asking them to work?

Bear
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: jamgusmc on July 01, 2006, 02:05:34 pm
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Scaring the straights...hmmm I am going to assume you mean sheep, scaring straights in my area would self defeating angry I live in such an area that just asking that a doctor at the local clinic look at your kid before you have to drive an hour to the ER is enough to make them piss their pants and tell people your scary never mind if anyone knew I carried

Jamgusmc, I don't get this. Why would they care at the local clinic, other than you're asking them to work?

Bear

Well to be brief, they are F@%*&D UP! They are incompetent, they are required by law to see you because they are state funded, BUT they still tell ppl they dont take walk ins and to go to the ER, they are not open on weekends for whatever reason, they are not supposed to or just wont do stitches, they try to play big brother if you don't watch out for them, ect ect ect...
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: kel on July 01, 2006, 10:08:18 pm
Almost every day at work is "bring a gun to work day". I am a mechanic at a "Major Domestic Brand" which starts with "F". Several people, incuding the parts/service manager carry firearms on or near them at all times. We recently hired a few people from out of state. One day we were having "show and tell" in the shop, and one of the new guys was on the other side of the shop, (he is a recent convert, and related this story to us). He was looking at us thinking "I wish the boss would see this and fire all these crazy a-holes before they kill everybody". Imagine his suprise when the owner of the business came in and started talking to us and fondling the guns. Shortly thereafter, he relented to our good-natured ribbing, and went shooting with some of the guys. His only comment after shooting an "AK-47 that nobody needs except to kill people" was WOW, I GOTTA GET ONE OF THESE!!! He has now bought a few guns, and had some instruction, and is well on his way to thinking for himself.  They can be saved!! :ph34r:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: DrillSgtK on July 11, 2006, 11:53:07 am
I love it when I scare the straights who should know better.

I work for a goverment testing center, and we test lots of weapons, tools and devices. One day we were looking over a less than leathal attachement for the M16/M4 and how it could help in clearing rooms. The Project manager was very conserned that it would not be rapid fire enugh in case of heavy resistance. At that point he asked me how I would lead a squad to clear a building full of armed bad guys.

"Two five pound bags of C4 and 30 seconds of time fuse, one at each end, back up and get under cover."

The room went quite. "uh, why would you have that much C4 on you?"

"In case I ran into a building full of heavly armed bad guys. Normaly you would have more, I'm a Combat Engineer, you never know when the application of C4 will help make things easyer."

Drill Sgt K
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: penguinsscareme on July 11, 2006, 02:38:53 pm
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you never know when the application of C4 will help make things easyer.
Ah, if only I had a nickel...
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Joel on July 11, 2006, 02:46:33 pm
Ah, if only I had a nickel...

Yup.  Rich, rich, rich.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: enemyofthestate on July 11, 2006, 08:11:42 pm
Dunno if I told this story before....

It was almost Christmas and the young lady I had been dating for while and I decided to go the LA Music Center after dinner.  Used to be there was a lot of free entertainment there that time of year. Being cheap, I parked on a back street lot I knew of and we walked about a quarter mile to the Center.  Because I knew there were sometimes folks with strange ways that hung around that neighborhood I had my S&W model 36 IWB under my jacket. JIC...

After a while of listening to street singers and choir groups we walked back to my car.  Since we had left, a van had parked behind me and couple of young men in "Jesus Saves" t-shirts were leaning against it. I figured them to be support for one of the choir groups and, like me, were trying the avoid the meters and parking fees.  I let my date in the car and, as I walked around to to driver's side, one of the loungers made a rude comment about my bumper sticker. I looked at him for a moment with my best I-don't-want-any-trouble face and said, "I'm sorry you feel that way."
 
At that remark one of the two opened the side door of the van and two more guys came tumbling out carrying baseball bats.  The newcomers quickly shared their weaponry with the other two leaving me facing four guys with bats. I thought about it for 500 milliseconds, slid my hand back under my jacket, eased out the Smith, and took a stance. I tried to radiate confidence.

The standoff lasted for maybe five seconds when --honest to gosh -- I said, "I think my Smith and Wesson trumps your Louisville Slugger."

I could see the fight go out of them and they lowered bats mumbling some excuse about how they were only joking and they weren't going to hurt anybody.

I got into the car, started it, and set the gun on the seat next to me as I drove off.  As I pulled out of the lot I glanced over at my date and she was staring at me with a horrified expression.  "You carry a gun?"

"Well, yes," I replied, "This can be a dangerous area."

She didn't speak to me for the rest of the trip home and, of course, we never went out again.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on July 11, 2006, 08:17:00 pm
Almost every day at work is "bring a gun to work day". I am a mechanic at a "Major Domestic Brand" which starts with "F". Several people, incuding the parts/service manager carry firearms on or near them at all times. We recently hired a few people from out of state. One day we were having "show and tell" in the shop, and one of the new guys was on the other side of the shop, (he is a recent convert, and related this story to us). He was looking at us thinking "I wish the boss would see this and fire all these crazy a-holes before they kill everybody". Imagine his suprise when the owner of the business came in and started talking to us and fondling the guns. Shortly thereafter, he relented to our good-natured ribbing, and went shooting with some of the guys. His only comment after shooting an "AK-47 that nobody needs except to kill people" was WOW, I GOTTA GET ONE OF THESE!!! He has now bought a few guns, and had some instruction, and is well on his way to thinking for himself.  They can be saved!! :ph34r:

Beware, he may still be just a sheep and blending with the herd.  But at least he is willing to try new stuff, how is his wife dealing with his new stuff?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bill St. Clair on July 11, 2006, 08:47:10 pm
Dunno if I told this story before....

Don't think so. I would likely have remembered it. Good one. Too bad the lady didn't learn the lesson.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: kel on July 12, 2006, 12:45:40 pm
Rarick,
He is single, early 20's, raised in Oklahoma by leftist democrats. Never had much chance to think for himself, just parroted "democrats good, republicans bad". Took a while to convince him that there is another way. Funniest thing he ever said to me was "My dad says that libertarians are just old republicans in disguise." Last time he went home to visit, his dad nearly disowned him after coming out on the short end of several discussions. Now he is scaring the straights. ^_^
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on July 12, 2006, 04:36:58 pm
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She didn't speak to me for the rest of the trip home and, of course, we never went out again.

Didn't she catch the action that just happened????

How can any SANE person see that a firearm just saved them and then get upset over it's use???

JMHO, but you're better off without someone like that.

Bear
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: enemyofthestate on July 12, 2006, 06:08:57 pm
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She didn't speak to me for the rest of the trip home and, of course, we never went out again.

Didn't she catch the action that just happened????

How can any SANE person see that a firearm just saved them and then get upset over it's use???

JMHO, but you're better off without someone like that.

Bear


I'm sure she did and, considering this was about 30 years ago when attitudes about guns were more liberal, I was surprised by her reaction.  I don't know what she was thinking and I was still on the adrenaline so I didn't belabor the issue lest I say something stupid.  :argue:  Also I wanted to put some distance between me and the wannabes.  In her defense, she was coming down off a good scare and in a lot of people that turns to anger.

Of course at the time I wasn't so philosophical about it. 
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on July 12, 2006, 09:52:52 pm
Rarick,
He is single, Now he is scaring the straights. ^_^

Good another sheep woke up.  Is sometimes amazes me how asleep people can be.  I was recently in a bank to cash the paycheck when a customer got upset that the clerk would not let him withdraw money from the bank account, even when his girlfriend had vouched for him over the phone.  He was getting loud, so I just left, I figured some one was hitting the button since he was doing a lot of that "agitated" behavior.  'Vegas cops do tend to shoot once all the boxes are checked and "they can get away with it" rather than as an "absolute last resort" that I see in other cities.(I kinda like it that way-It keeps the crooks careful)  Stealth is way better than having to deal with hyped up cops with my carry weapon, when they start their "sort them out" proceedures.  Tomorrow will work for getting FRN's as well as today would have.

Something to always remember, discretion.  I am not a cop, there was no immediate threat. Avioding the possible developing situation is way safer all the way around.  Carrying and a CCW doesn't give you a hunting license, nor immunity from a nervous cop.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: anachronism on July 21, 2006, 09:56:04 pm
From the other side of the subject, a friend once told me, rather conspiratorially "you know, I'm not a Christian, I'm a witch". Apparently, I was supposed to be frightened, repulsed, or something. Instead, I made a rather light comment about witches being the ultimate environmentalists, and promptly ruined his day. Another guy I once worked with had a Wiccan ring on, with the pentastar. When I saw it I simply said "oh, a witch", and let it go at that. I thought the guy was going to pass out when I said it! Religions don't bother me, unless they want to kill me. Then I make an exception.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on July 21, 2006, 10:01:37 pm
From the other side of the subject, a friend once told me, rather conspiratorially "you know, I'm not a Christian, I'm a witch". Apparently, I was supposed to be frightened, repulsed, or something. Instead, I made a rather light comment about witches being the ultimate environmentalists, and promptly ruined his day. Another guy I once worked with had a Wiccan ring on, with the pentastar. When I saw it I simply said "oh, a witch", and let it go at that. I thought the guy was going to pass out when I said it! Religions don't bother me, unless they want to kill me. Then I make an exception.


Yep, that is my take on it.  I worked the reniassance fair in Kali while I was growing up (high School) a lot of interesting folks to say the least.  I do not get weirded out or defensive about stuff.  I am just me, if they can't deal with that- their loss :laugh:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Lightning on July 23, 2006, 08:33:36 pm
Religions don't bother me, unless they want to kill me. Then I make an exception.

That quote ought to be a sig line!   :mellow:

Howdy and welcome to TCF, anachronism!   :hello:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: anachronism on July 23, 2006, 08:51:39 pm
Religions don't bother me, unless they want to kill me. Then I make an exception.

That quote ought to be a sig line!   :mellow:

Howdy and welcome to TCF, anachronism!   :hello:

LOL!!! it does have a nice ring to it...
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: stainzblue on February 06, 2009, 11:36:50 am
Do any of you participate in the sport of Schutzhund?  If not, do a little reasearch.  Imagine the looks I get when I tell the straights that I train my dog to attack a decoy at either a perceived threat or on my command.  We use bite sleeves, bite bars, whips (the sound only is used to test the dogs "hardness.")  The dog must also be impervious to the sound of gun shots.  As you can Imagine I'm a total freak to my co-workers, friends, extended family members, and neighbors.  And they don't even know about my guns and stockpile of food...  Damn serious.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: slidemansailor on February 06, 2009, 12:19:14 pm
Interesting thread... also interesting that a newcomer started rummaging around in the attic, studying history before starting to change the world... one ATTABOY for stainzblue.

I don't seem to shock or surprise anybody... they somehow expect it from me at the outset.  I really don't know why.  Oh, yeah, it's cuz I live in Idaho. However, a lot of them find the "no TV" thing odd as well as my buying 25-pound bags of food, reloading my own ammo, making music rather than turning it on, restoring a tired farm house rather than occupying a cardboard tract home, fixing rather than hiring it done or replacing ....

In California I shocked everybody. I was always quite confident that nobody suspected the Glock residing in my fannypack simply because "NOBODY but a cop carried a gun". Even the cops could be confident I wasn't packing because almost nobody did without a license and the odds on my legally packing were 41,636 to 1. Californians are so confident in the right-ness of everything they do that anything out of the ordinary shocks them. While Goth, grunge, yuppie, butch, flaming-gay and a dozen other dress-styles are California normal, I "dressed funny". While doing anything, nothing or anywhere in between were all fine, something about regularly, even constantly doing for myself made me just not fit.

So I guess I'm saying that if you are regularly shocking your neighbors, give at least a bit of thought to changing neighborhoods. Those folks won't be any help at all and, in fact, will be real problems when the chips are down.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: stainzblue on February 06, 2009, 01:48:20 pm
Thanks slidemansailor!  I'm a historian by training, and a mole by vocation!

Peace
SB
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on February 09, 2009, 05:34:44 am

So I guess I'm saying that if you are regularly shocking your neighbors, give at least a bit of thought to changing neighborhoods. Those folks won't be any help at all and, in fact, will be real problems when the chips are down.

That's very true.  I'm doing my best to practice OPSEC with my planning.  Unfortunately my wife just rolls her eyes and tells the other women in her Moms Group how weird I am.  I'm sure word is out about the 'guy stocking up for Armageddon' so I may need to gently remind my wife what those nice neighbors will do once TSHTF.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: stainzblue on February 09, 2009, 11:27:21 am
I know I won't be able to count on these guys when the SHTF.   I'm not dug in here. Don't own, just renting.  2 year plan is to get cc's paid off, min 7 acres way upstate, then dig in.  My fear is I won’t have enough time, however.  If SHTF, I have friendly's 1 hour north.  For complicated reason's (having to do with an x-spouse and joint custody), I'm in a holding pattern, which sucks and is dangerous.  I know.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on February 10, 2009, 04:22:33 am
I know I won't be able to count on these guys when the SHTF.   I'm not dug in here. Don't own, just renting.  2 year plan is to get cc's paid off, min 7 acres way upstate, then dig in.  My fear is I won’t have enough time, however.  If SHTF, I have friendly's 1 hour north.  For complicated reason's (having to do with an x-spouse and joint custody), I'm in a holding pattern, which sucks and is dangerous.  I know.

You at least have the right mindset.  So that puts you in the top 95%!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Hammer on February 10, 2009, 06:43:00 am
Hey, Knobster. Every New Years Day, DirecTV runs the Twilight Zone marathon. This past NYD, there was an episode that centered on a doctor that lived in a normal neighborhood and he built a bomb shelter (I believe the show date was 1962). At the doctors birthday party, all his neighbors teased him about the shelter and laughing about what a wacko he was. He laughed with them a bit, but then there was a news broadcast that unidentified aircraft were headed to the US and that everyone was to seek shelter immediately. The party broke up and the others went home while the doctor and his family loaded up the shelter with a few final things. Some of his neighbor "friends" came back to his house begging to get inside the shelter. The neighbors began to fight outside the door of the shelter and ultimately broke the door down to get inside. Right about then a radio call was sent out that it was a false alarm.

The point was that the "friends" turned into animals to protect themselves, even though they did no prep for the scariest thought of the day. And for you younger readers.... the reality of nuclear was an absolute terror in those days. I would suggest that your brides friends may laugh or roll their eyes, but would be the first people to be at your door.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on February 10, 2009, 07:32:55 am

The point was that the "friends" turned into animals to protect themselves, even though they did no prep for the scariest thought of the day. And for you younger readers.... the reality of nuclear was an absolute terror in those days. I would suggest that your brides friends may laugh or roll their eyes, but would be the first people to be at your door.

Morning Hammer.  That is the scary part!  Unfortunately I don't have a bomb shelter to hunker down in with the family.  Just a regular house in suburbia.  My goal is to eventually purchase ~20 acres and start living 'off the grid' as much as possible.  That may not happen for at least a year or more while I save up my pennies.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on February 10, 2009, 01:12:12 pm
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The point was that the "friends" turned into animals to protect themselves, even though they did no prep for the scariest thought of the day. And for you younger readers.... the reality of nuclear was an absolute terror in those days. I would suggest that your brides friends may laugh or roll their eyes, but would be the first people to be at your door.

Some day when my daughter gets around to having kids, I'm going to read Aesop's Fables to them -- not the Disney version.
One tale I'm going to hammer into their sweet little heads is the Ant and the Grasshopper. A similar fable is the story of the
Little Red Hen.

The idea I want to get through to them is that they are ultimately responsible for themselves, and they are entitled to what
they've worked for. I want them to understand that just because someone else hasn't planned, it doesn't give the other person
a free pass to take what's theirs.

If someone mocked me for my preparations and then had the gall to come ask for help, I would have no problems whatsoever
turning them away. Even at gunpoint. I'm just that way. :rolleyes:

Bear

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on February 10, 2009, 06:59:22 pm
Some day when my daughter gets around to having kids, I'm going to read Aesop's Fables to them -- not the Disney version.
One tale I'm going to hammer into their sweet little heads is the Ant and the Grasshopper. A similar fable is the story of the
Little Red Hen.

The idea I want to get through to them is that they are ultimately responsible for themselves, and they are entitled to what
they've worked for. I want them to understand that just because someone else hasn't planned, it doesn't give the other person
a free pass to take what's theirs.

If someone mocked me for my preparations and then had the gall to come ask for help, I would have no problems whatsoever
turning them away. Even at gunpoint. I'm just that way.

Excellent stories those fables are.  I must look in the wrong book stores as I don't see such things anymore.  This entire 'entitlement mentality' is yet another topic I could rant on for hours.  Hurricane Katrina really hit me hard (not personally, just seeing the news about it) as to the state of this country.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on February 15, 2009, 06:59:47 am
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The point was that the "friends" turned into animals to protect themselves, even though they did no prep for the scariest thought of the day. And for you younger readers.... the reality of nuclear was an absolute terror in those days. I would suggest that your brides friends may laugh or roll their eyes, but would be the first people to be at your door.

Some day when my daughter gets around to having kids, I'm going to read Aesop's Fables to them -- not the Disney version.
One tale I'm going to hammer into their sweet little heads is the Ant and the Grasshopper. A similar fable is the story of the
Little Red Hen.

The idea I want to get through to them is that they are ultimately responsible for themselves, and they are entitled to what
they've worked for. I want them to understand that just because someone else hasn't planned, it doesn't give the other person
a free pass to take what's theirs.

If someone mocked me for my preparations and then had the gall to come ask for help, I would have no problems whatsoever
turning them away. Even at gunpoint. I'm just that way. :rolleyes:

Bear

I am that way too.   There are a couple of guys on our crew that are "trained monkeys" and generally are spouting whatever nonsense that they think you want them to believe, not a single independent- creative thought in their head. (We will be replacing them by the way, we need better people than that for what we are doing).  They are obviously strictly in the moment and their concept of balanging their check book is looking at their bank statement after they deposit their pay- now they know their balance........ :ph34r:   One has had help 3 times changing her tires (they were bald and showing "alignment wear") several of us are going to let her do it all herself next time there is a flat- there are 2 real bad ones still on her car- there will be another flat since the money is getting spent on more important things.  Another one was complaining of being hungry, but the day before he had been jamming his new "just released" CD's on the job..........

Needless to say they are not going to get any resources from me regardless- they have no clue how to manage them.  Their comments also indicate that they are more PC (true speak) and social (Grasshopper) oriented.   I am pretty sure they think me and several other guys on the crew like to camp out and go shooting (their eyes kind of glaze over in a kind of does not compute mode when considering these concepts) are a little nuts.

I am kind of thankful for being exposed to them, it shows how far most people I know are far from being sheep, and also serves as a warning.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on February 16, 2009, 04:51:40 am
One has had help 3 times changing her tires (they were bald and showing "alignment wear") several of us are going to let her do it all herself next time there is a flat- there are 2 real bad ones still on her car- there will be another flat since the money is getting spent on more important things.  Another one was complaining of being hungry, but the day before he had been jamming his new "just released" CD's on the job..........

I know what you mean.  I work in a white-collar office and am simply amazed at how much money and time people waste on so many nonessential items.  (I know, I know, who am I to judge what people spend their money on...)  Like the junior engineer I was mentoring 6 months ago - complained about how small his paycheck was but loved both of his 52" HDTV's, the Nintendo Wii, and all the other electronic garbage his house is filled with.  He had a get-together at his house and I was amazed at how packed his living room was with all the latest gizmos.  How useful with all that be when TSHTF?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: JJ on February 16, 2009, 10:52:34 am
I'm stuck in Vermont - (hey, I'm from New Mex and miss the mountains!), in any case - if you're not from here you're a "flatlander" and treated with a mix of disdain and pity. Once the locals know what you're about and that you'll join in when help is needed and ignore what's not your business, you're pretty much accepted as just another transplant.

So there I am one summer morning, sitting in the one and only local eatery minding my own.. (actually reading the Gun Bible by Boston T Party believe it or not) when I hear a rather annoying nasal female voice demand of one of the two waitresses "why does that man have a gun?!" I glanced up and yup, she's trying not to look at me. Yes, my G22 was snapped down on the the right hip with two mags on the left, just like it is every day I'm off-duty. Her (I assume) husband is sitting with his back to me slowing ducking his head down between his shoulders...whether in fear of gun shots or embarrassment I'll never know. The waitress tries unsuccessfully to quiet the woman until the volume of her indignation gets the better of me and I loudly tell her, "in the state of Vermont anyone who may otherwise own or possess a firearm may carry that firearm, either covertly or in the open, anywhere in the state of Vermont except those places specifically prohibited by law or the ordnances set by the local populace, to wit- the capital and all schools, banks, hospitals, and stores selling liquor by the keg, case, or quart. Add to that I am a retired police officer and  I am also I am right now an off duty officer AND finally I carry it since it marks me as a citizen of these United States."  No applause, no cheers - most of the locals just turned back to their eggs and coffee with a few chuckles and grins. The woman, red faced sputtered depreciations upon my ancestry until at last she left...

This has happened perhaps 2-3 times a year in the same location (it IS the only restaurant in down unless you want a pizza for breakfast). I've had to do my spiel a few other times even had people move to farther tables (hey, 6 feet closer to the door I guess). My wife carries her G23 as well and has A LOT less patience with the hopolaphobes than I. I went so far as to use one of Boston's lines one day in telling one visiting denizen of the People's Republic of Massachusetts that if he REALLY wanted all those guns seized, to make sure HE came and got mine and didn't send somepone else's poor brainless son or daughter in federal service to do his dirty work. He  got quiet when I added the line about "getting them-  once they're empty" - then I had one of the local village cops stop me a bit later on the street and ask me not to use exactly those terms as the sheeple thought I was threatening him...

Well, the summer silly season is coming around again, almost time to switch back to my belt carry (I carry underarm in the winter - just a personal choice). Sure a new crop of flatlanders will be here soon and will just keep reminding myself just because it's called "Tourist Season" we can't actually shoot them...and so it goes.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on February 16, 2009, 03:09:43 pm
I have a new answer. I look them in the eye and say, "And your problem with that is exactly....?"  So far I've only used it once - and she had no answer at all, just stomped away. We do get a few tourists around here. :)

Most of the folks who even notice the big, black .45 on my belt just smile, and some of them say, "Oh! That's nice! What is it?"

My kind of neighbors...
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Hammer on February 16, 2009, 06:06:11 pm
My neighbors and I have show and tell.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: JJ on February 18, 2009, 11:24:09 am
Folks - My wife and I raise AQHA/APHA horses. Two and a half years ago I was standing in my round pen near the stall doors of our barn. I hear a gun shot behind me and immediately duck flying splinters... I was exactly 5 feet from where the round hit the lower door of the stall. As per a lifetime of "Oh Shit" training I took what cover I had behind a watering tough, my daily carry G22 in hand, dodging two very frightened 1500 lb horses who were in the pen. A yearling filly was in the stall that was hit and was bucking wildly but luckily unhurt. A few moments later, clad in hunter orange, an idiot crashed throught the ten foot cedar and blackberry hedge I have on 3 sides of my property and very nearly dies. He got stuck in the blackberries and obviously was no threat to me or my animals at that point. I disarmed him and a couple minutes later his hunting partner at the same place and in the same manner. The first idiot said he was looking for his "deer." He said he saw a deer and then fired downhill between two houses and over a lower third to shoot the 1500 lb RED AND WHITE patched "DEER" he said he saw in my round pen next to the 1500 lb BLACK AND WHITE horse. I explained how close they both came to getting shot in what I'm sure was a very testy and pissed off manner- then I held them, at gun point, in my front yard until the Game and Fish guy arrived and relieved them of their license and took their two, very new Weatherby 300 rifles from my possession. State Police arrived took my statement, looked at my barn door, then took them away followed by the Game and Fish guy. The Statie and Game guy live a mile up the main road from me 2 houses from each other. a couple weeks later I was notified I did not need to appear and want nothing to do with either of them. They didn't realise had it been my wife, she WOULD have used her G23.  Still have the hole in the barn door and the horses keeping knocking off the patch... and so it goes...

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on February 23, 2009, 02:11:46 am
Yeah, "hunting accidents" happened a few times where I grew up.  Some of them were fatal, and no one went to jail over it either.  Usually a case of someone not taking a close look at where his shots were going, a couple of rounds went thru a living room in one case.  My complaint is those people who REFUSE to learn even the most basic care and feeding of their stuff/property.  The guy who hasn't pulled a weed- wacked one for that matter in his entire life.  Hasn't changed the oil or rotated the tires even once..........   The number of people that do not have the first clue how to do the most simple tasks.  I almost cry- because that is a lot of death just walking around.  All that good yard raised beef is going into a lot of feral food for the pets that will find something to eat..........

Sorry, got music running in the background tha brings out the apocalyptic muse.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: El Topo on February 26, 2009, 07:06:35 pm
Rarick,

I feel the same sentiment, and sadly I find so much of it in myself.  The educational system of today is not really geared towards prepping productive citizens. I know of so many people with degrees, masters even, that can't find a job. But this mostly because they have no SKILLS outside of a piece of paper that essentially means nothing.  I wish that I had more guidance as a young person, because now, coming to my mid-twenties, I am realizing how useless the things that I know are and how much easier getting by would be if I had a trade taught to me somewhere along the line.  Live and learn.

But, I definitely know my way around a garden and a woodshop.

D!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on February 27, 2009, 04:39:45 am
But, I definitely know my way around a garden and a woodshop.

Then you are miles ahead of a good portion of the population!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: El Topo on February 27, 2009, 02:12:43 pm
But, I definitely know my way around a garden and a woodshop.

Then you are miles ahead of a good portion of the population!

Thanks for the positive reinforcement!

D!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Hammer on February 28, 2009, 06:44:51 am
And to think that those same folks are busily buying all kinds of weapons at the gun stores. I bought a rifle the other day and down the counter a guy bought a new Kimber .45. He bought some spare magazines and a couple boxes of shells. They concluded the transaction and the sales lady (an experienced gun owner/handler) asked this yayhoo is he knew how to field strip the weapon to clean it, to which he said he did. He proceeded to start unboxing some of the rounds and started loading the magazine. The lady stopped him and asked what the hell he was doing and said it was not legal to load the weapon in the store, and to frankly take his new weapon and get the hell out! This is the part where I shake my head.   
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on February 28, 2009, 05:50:27 pm
Dog and cat food- if it goes bad fast and ugly enough :ph34r:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: phathead on March 31, 2009, 07:34:56 am
Back on topic.  The fact that I don’t have my TV hooked up to anything but a DVD player kind of freaks people out.  They're like "Don't you watch Letterman or Jon Stewart"?  How do explain your life to people that derive the only meaning in their lives from pop culture? 
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Mr. Bill on March 31, 2009, 10:23:06 am
Back on topic.  The fact that I don’t have my TV hooked up to anything but a DVD player kind of freaks people out.  They're like "Don't you watch Letterman or Jon Stewart"?  How do explain your life to people that derive the only meaning in their lives from pop culture? 

"Don't you have broadband?  Don't you have Netflix?  TV is so twentieth-century!"

 :mellow:

(No TV reception in our house since 2002.)
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on March 31, 2009, 10:27:10 am
Back on topic.  The fact that I don’t have my TV hooked up to anything but a DVD player kind of freaks people out.  They're like "Don't you watch Letterman or Jon Stewart"?  How do explain your life to people that derive the only meaning in their lives from pop culture? 

I hear ya.  If it weren't for my love of movies (yes, I have Netflix), there wouldn't even be a TV in the house.  Most of my coworkers think I'm missing out on 'real' entertainment...
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: slidemansailor on March 31, 2009, 11:36:31 am
My daughters (grown and gone) cracked up when I had to go to Wally World and buy a "karaoke monitor" while visiting my mom and them in CA.  They kept trying to call it a TV, but I would have none of it. I introduced them to karaoke, and we had a ball. They just thought it was delicious irony that Mr No-TV would have to buy one of those things.

There is so much life and thinking in non-TV watchers... it can be intimidating to the others.  It is amazing what an "extra four hours" a day can do.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on March 31, 2009, 04:27:10 pm
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It is amazing what an "extra four hours" a day can do.

Yeah.............boredom motivates, and through motivation comes creation of whatever sort...........
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Les Patriotes on April 17, 2009, 10:41:55 am
Hi all, I'm new here and I like what i see so far.

This is something happening to my right now. I'm being dressed down by a townie sheep saying we don't need guns anymore because we're so much more civilized. Then he accused me of advocated the shooting of people i disagreed with and the shooting up of credit card companies. All i could do was laugh to myself and roll my eyes. Then I reconsidered my attitude and actions. I told him " I may not agree with you right to knock the Constitution saying we don't need it anymore, and that is your belief. Because America was built on a constitution of the free people in a democratic republic i will respect your decision though i do not agree with it. But I fear a day will come if not for me but for my children which will make such discourse Illegal and contrary to the government and their laws. But, we agree to disagree. " The look on his face was halfway between rage because I'm a "gun freak" and alarming chicken-little-holy-shit-the-sky-is-fucking-falling face.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on April 17, 2009, 11:05:57 am
Les Patriotes,

You could not have said it better.  :occasion14:

The fact that you didn't let the sheep bait you, makes is sweeter.

Bear

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Les Patriotes on April 17, 2009, 11:08:29 am
the problem is bear is that he is a really good friend of mine, and i've never seen this side of him before. I think the tea parties scared him or something. At any rate i told him if bad things od happen, feel free to bring himself and his family to my location and i'll do my best to provide for him :mellow:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 17, 2009, 11:46:46 pm
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i'll do my best to provide for him

Yeah..............provide work, thus that he can support his own family while keeping hold of his dignity..........
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: JJ on April 19, 2009, 12:27:14 am
Happened again. Last night I decided to spring for a pizza for the wife and I after a long day of spring cleaning at the barn. Called it in - cleaned up a bit and headed the 6 miles into town to pick it up. Got there and walked past a 20-something couple outside the shop. Said, "good evenin," went in picked up my 'za and headed out.  As I passed the couple I guess I was hanging out 'cuz I hear and excited female voice squeak, "He's got a gun!" As I got in my beat up little Chevy I glance over and the female was actually hiding behind the male who seemed to think balling his fists up and standing there glaring at me with the fists on his hips was the appropriate thing to do. Me, I got in my car and left - my pizza was getting cold. :BangHead:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 19, 2009, 12:45:16 am
Geezus.............when are folks gonna' realize that a well armed man/woman is far less threat to them then someone who might be afraid and thus unpredictable?

I've never carried a gun............but then again, I don't think I've ever really needed one...............well cept when I'm huntin'  :laugh:

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Les Patriotes on April 19, 2009, 02:18:05 am
Geezus.............when are folks gonna' realize that a well armed man/woman is far less threat to them then someone who might be afraid and thus unpredictable?

I've never carried a gun............but then again, I don't think I've ever really needed one...............well cept when I'm huntin'  :laugh:


I'm originally from NJ, and i thought "who needs a gun? the cops will protect me" and once i moved and the option became available i laughed because, again who needs a gun. Then i was mugged at knife point, i was cut up and the cops that finally showed up a half hour later took a report and were like "yeah he's been operating in this area, you should be careful" then when the younger cop saunted away to call an emt the older vet cop said " this is minnesota, you have the right to bear arms, i suggest you take advantage of that and show scum you're not afraid." so now i have a gun  ^_^
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on April 19, 2009, 01:01:36 pm
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the problem is bear is that he is a really good friend of mine, and i've never seen this side of him before. I think the tea parties scared him or something. At any rate i told him if bad things od happen, feel free to bring himself and his family to my location and i'll do my best to provide for him

That's both wise and generous of you. I would remind him, though, that if he needs to bug out to your place that he should bring
as much of his canned food, blankets, and sundries as he can. Besides being true, it will also plant the seed of a thought that if things
go badly, some preparations need to be made. This probably  hasn't occurred to him yet. He may be thinking that he can just go to
your place and hide until things "blow over", and that magically, things take care of themselves.

I don't know what kind of natural disasters you have in your area (fire and earthquakes out here), but you could suggest that
he get some plastic bins from Wal-Mart, put some canned goods, blankets and a change of clothes in them and keep them
in his garage. If he needs to leave in a hurry --- for any reason --- he can just grab the bins and go. It's a pretty painless
first step, but a significant one, as it shoes a change in attitude.

Bear

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: slidemansailor on April 19, 2009, 10:37:33 pm
I was "pulling the register" and escorting our morning cashier to the counting office when I noticed an open carry and female companion heading down one isle.  I wanted to thank him, but was occupied with escort duty and couldn't divert to his location.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Les Patriotes on April 19, 2009, 10:59:47 pm
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the problem is bear is that he is a really good friend of mine, and i've never seen this side of him before. I think the tea parties scared him or something. At any rate i told him if bad things od happen, feel free to bring himself and his family to my location and i'll do my best to provide for him

That's both wise and generous of you. I would remind him, though, that if he needs to bug out to your place that he should bring
as much of his canned food, blankets, and sundries as he can. Besides being true, it will also plant the seed of a thought that if things
go badly, some preparations need to be made. This probably  hasn't occurred to him yet. He may be thinking that he can just go to
your place and hide until things "blow over", and that magically, things take care of themselves.

I don't know what kind of natural disasters you have in your area (fire and earthquakes out here), but you could suggest that
he get some plastic bins from Wal-Mart, put some canned goods, blankets and a change of clothes in them and keep them
in his garage. If he needs to leave in a hurry --- for any reason --- he can just grab the bins and go. It's a pretty painless
first step, but a significant one, as it shoes a change in attitude.

Bear



Current disasters include floods, mudslide, civil unrest, and insanely large snow drifts. He also lives deep in the center of Minneapolis, in a tiny one bedroom apt. He has apparently gotten divorced recently with plans to let his wife have everything except the bed the tv and the bird ( a toucan or some shit.)
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Today's Tom Sawyer on April 20, 2009, 12:51:45 am

the older vet cop said " this is minnesota, you have the right to bear arms,

Obviously NOT in the Twin Cities area.   :nono:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Klapton Isgod on April 20, 2009, 08:20:41 am
Geezus.............when are folks gonna' realize that a well armed man/woman is far less threat to them then someone who might be afraid and thus unpredictable?

I've never carried a gun............but then again, I don't think I've ever really needed one...............well cept when I'm huntin'  :laugh:


I'm originally from NJ, and i thought "who needs a gun? the cops will protect me" and once i moved and the option became available i laughed because, again who needs a gun. Then i was mugged at knife point, i was cut up and the cops that finally showed up a half hour later took a report and were like "yeah he's been operating in this area, you should be careful" then when the younger cop saunted away to call an emt the older vet cop said " this is minnesota, you have the right to bear arms, i suggest you take advantage of that and show scum you're not afraid." so now i have a gun  ^_^

Can we get more officers like this one, please.  Fire the rest of them, and let HIM do the recruiting.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Les Patriotes on April 21, 2009, 02:00:52 pm

the older vet cop said " this is minnesota, you have the right to bear arms,

Obviously NOT in the Twin Cities area.   :nono:
yes in twin citiers area, down by the now closed 3m plant off of arcade. dude was so cool.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Today's Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2009, 09:48:03 pm

the older vet cop said " this is minnesota, you have the right to bear arms,

Obviously NOT in the Twin Cities area.   :nono:
yes in twin citiers area, down by the now closed 3m plant off of arcade. dude was so cool.

WOW.  Things have changed a bit I guess! 
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Winston on June 15, 2009, 05:07:32 pm
Unfortunatly I think some people are just plain hopeless. People who would not only not mind having a authoritarian police state, but would downright enjoy it. You know:

"But we live in America! The freest country in the world! That would never happen here..."

And when it does happen here they will still be saying the same thing.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Jimbo on June 17, 2009, 11:48:42 am
 "Then i was mugged at knife point, i was cut up and the cops that finally showed up a half hour later took a report"

 Remember, when seconds count, the po-pos are minutes away... Sometimes a lot of minutes away! God help ya' if crime occurs during shift change! :thrshocker:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: bull on October 11, 2009, 11:40:16 pm
my favorite is when one of the guy brings in a new rifle to my business with tourists in for lunch.
and i say something like ,don't worse were all pack en ,it fair and pull my counter gun out .
or a smart a$$ is pouching it and i put a meat cleaver in the menu holder in front of them.
and ask ,what did you say. my customers are like minded people mostly....
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on October 12, 2009, 02:24:18 pm
Back on topic.  The fact that I don’t have my TV hooked up to anything but a DVD player kind of freaks people out.  They're like "Don't you watch Letterman or Jon Stewart"?  How do explain your life to people that derive the only meaning in their lives from pop culture? 

I hear ya.  If it weren't for my love of movies (yes, I have Netflix), there wouldn't even be a TV in the house.  Most of my coworkers think I'm missing out on 'real' entertainment...

My TV is still hooked up, but I watch Science, Discover, History and those.  I cruise thru CNN once in a while- just to see what they are bunching the whitie tighties over this week.  The other is the weekly game, football, it is the 1 mindless joy I find entertaining on the TV.  I have Netflix too. Gotta preview the interesting stuff that isn't on TV, but isn't worth $$, and risking a stampede over.

I still get the occasional Pie Eyes when people in the office are doing the "Oh life was sooooo unfair to <victim of the week>"  and I just say "that's what evolution does when you don't pay attention.  We have ENOUGH people, if he wants to go <idiot action> let him, at least he died happy."
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: olevermonter on October 15, 2009, 08:01:38 pm
I'm stuck in Vermont - (hey, I'm from New Mex and miss the mountains!), in any case - if you're not from here you're a "flatlander" and treated with a mix of disdain and pity. Once the locals know what you're about and that you'll join in when help is needed and ignore what's not your business, you're pretty much accepted as just another transplant.

So there I am one summer morning, sitting in the one and only local eatery minding my own.. (actually reading the Gun Bible by Boston T Party believe it or not) when I hear a rather annoying nasal female voice demand of one of the two waitresses "why does that man have a gun?!" I glanced up and yup, she's trying not to look at me. Yes, my G22 was snapped down on the the right hip with two mags on the left, just like it is every day I'm off-duty. Her (I assume) husband is sitting with his back to me slowing ducking his head down between his shoulders...whether in fear of gun shots or embarrassment I'll never know. The waitress tries unsuccessfully to quiet the woman until the volume of her indignation gets the better of me and I loudly tell her, "in the state of Vermont anyone who may otherwise own or possess a firearm may carry that firearm, either covertly or in the open, anywhere in the state of Vermont except those places specifically prohibited by law or the ordnances set by the local populace, to wit- the capital and all schools, banks, hospitals, and stores selling liquor by the keg, case, or quart. Add to that I am a retired police officer and  I am also I am right now an off duty officer AND finally I carry it since it marks me as a citizen of these United States."  No applause, no cheers - most of the locals just turned back to their eggs and coffee with a few chuckles and grins. The woman, red faced sputtered depreciations upon my ancestry until at last she left...

This has happened perhaps 2-3 times a year in the same location (it IS the only restaurant in down unless you want a pizza for breakfast). I've had to do my spiel a few other times even had people move to farther tables (hey, 6 feet closer to the door I guess). My wife carries her G23 as well and has A LOT less patience with the hopolaphobes than I. I went so far as to use one of Boston's lines one day in telling one visiting denizen of the People's Republic of Massachusetts that if he REALLY wanted all those guns seized, to make sure HE came and got mine and didn't send somepone else's poor brainless son or daughter in federal service to do his dirty work. He  got quiet when I added the line about "getting them-  once they're empty" - then I had one of the local village cops stop me a bit later on the street and ask me not to use exactly those terms as the sheeple thought I was threatening him...

Well, the summer silly season is coming around again, almost time to switch back to my belt carry (I carry underarm in the winter - just a personal choice). Sure a new crop of flatlanders will be here soon and will just keep reminding myself just because it's called "Tourist Season" we can't actually shoot them...and so it goes.

Well, even though I was  born and still stuck in VT, most of us natives really only look disdainfully on those flatlanders that don't practice self-sufficiency, are unsafe with guns, want to tell us how to run our government and have never used an outhouse.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Freelee on October 26, 2009, 12:38:47 pm
I find that when you are informed with the facts that most of the sheep in this world still dont get it when they ask you the questions. I have tired in the past to explain things to the sheep but I usually get the deer in the headlights look. Oh well its survival of the fittest. I am currently overseas, I have in my house a months worth of food and plenty of ways to cook it, plenty of water, etc.. I will soon be going back to Colorado and strating over again. I have to start from scratch. It will be fun to have so much to do. I dont see it as a bad thing just a challenge to accomplish. Thanks everyone for your funny and informative form
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: gaurdduck on October 26, 2009, 02:56:38 pm
I've always called folks who don't think like us "NT's". That stands for "Neuro-Typicals".

Being Autistic, I spook NT's all the time unintentionally. There was a recent one that
was funny. Some random people asked my opinion on what I thought BHO should do to
make our country better. I said, in a calm manner, "Disband the Fed'ral Government."
Can you imagine the looks on their faces? Apparently that wasn't the answer they were
looking for.

Then there was the whittling incident...
That's already posted under Police Abuses, I think. For those who haven't heard; I was
almost tazed for whittling in public. Some valley girls called the fuzz when they saw that
I had a knife. When the fuzz got there I had to remove all six of them from my person
and get a pat-down. She was looking for "ninja weapons". Oy! Some people...

Then there is the fact that my neighbors won't talk to me and act skittish when I'm around.
I'm not really sure why.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on October 27, 2009, 05:24:58 am
Interesting scenario about a month ago:  Two of my buddies were helping me finish my basement and I didn't even think about the shelves packed with food and water down there.  We started snapping a chalk line for one wall and 'Joe' asks me, "What's up with all the water?". 

"Well, when I lived in an apartment in Houston my water was off for two days due to a main break.  It's amazing how much you have to go the bathroom when you can't flush!"

That started a 20-minute conversation about how smart it was to have extra food and water on hand for emergencies.  I'm also helping these guys finish their basement (we rotate every Wednesday to each house) but unfortunately, the talk about stocking up was only talk for these guys.  Of course, they both mentioned that they know where to go if the water goes out.  Sigh...
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on October 27, 2009, 08:32:56 am
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Of course, they both mentioned that they know where to go if the water goes out.  Sigh...

That reminds me of a conversation I had with some former neighbors when I was over at their
place getting to know them. I was giving them some tips on living up here, and the conversation
moved to preparedness, and the preps I had made. This is how the conversation ended:

woman: "Well, we know who's house to rob if things fall apart!"  (laughing)
me: "Wear Kevlar if you do."
woman: "I was only kidding!"
me: "Yeah, me too." (dead pan)

They eventually sold their place and moved on a year or two later. Can't say we were ever close.

Bear
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: gaurdduck on October 27, 2009, 01:54:39 pm
I had a similar conversation with my mother.
She followed advice from a FEMA rep that
came to her church, to stock up 3 weeks
worth of food. She can't understand why
I have stocked up 6 months worth. (I had
more, but I've been eating it.) She thinks
the FEMA people know what they're talking
about. Since they handled hurricane Katrina
so well. (Sarc.)

She said that if there is a disaster they will be
coming over to my house. If there is a disaster
I'll prolly give them food in exchange for working
my farm, except my stepdud, who is not
welcome. Thing is, they seem to think that
I'll magically have enough food for everyone. It
is so frusterating to not be able to get them to
stockpile themselves, and have them expect me
to feed them. Arrrrgh!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on October 27, 2009, 03:15:46 pm
I had a similar conversation with my mother.
She followed advice from a FEMA rep that
came to her church, to stock up 3 weeks
worth of food. She can't understand why
I have stocked up 6 months worth. (I had
more, but I've been eating it.) She thinks
the FEMA people know what they're talking
about. Since they handled hurricane Katrina
so well. (Sarc.)

She said that if there is a disaster they will be
coming over to my house. If there is a disaster
I'll prolly give them food in exchange for working
my farm, except my stepdud, who is not
welcome. Thing is, they seem to think that
I'll magically have enough food for everyone. It
is so frusterating to not be able to get them to
stockpile themselves, and have them expect me
to feed them. Arrrrgh!

Guard Duck,

I feel your pain. It is nearly impossible to get people
to consider that things will not always be as they are,
if things change, they should be prepared to provide
for themselves.

If these same people show up on my doorstep after
being encourage and cajoled to make some sort of
preps, my sympathy will be absent.

Bear
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: gaurdduck on October 27, 2009, 04:34:35 pm
Maybe I'm too much of a softy. I couldn't just let my family starve though.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on October 28, 2009, 12:44:31 am
Maybe I'm too much of a softy. I couldn't just let my family starve though.

Actually I was talking about my neighbors, not my family. I don't think any of my extended
family would try to make it up here. Those that make it are welcome, though. I suspect that
they are more likely to regroup around either of my sisters's homes. If it gets really bad, they
will most likely pull back to the big house in the Santa Cruz mountains.

My neighbors... meh... I've tried to talk sense into some of them, gently, and have had
very little success. The one shining exception is the family across the street. When we
gave them home canned salsa made with tomatoes grown from our yard (6,720' MSL)
I think it flipped a switch that much more was possible. I found out about this when
the husband told me that his wife wanted him to build raised beds like I've got.

Most people admire the garden (it's in the front yard, unfortunately), but are unwilling
to work hard enough to make it work for themselves. I did have one person laugh at
me when the first snow killed the potatoes. I thought about explaining that they were
potatoes, and that was quite alright, but I thought it was better to let the idiot think
my garden doesn't work. With most of these folks, I would have no problem telling
them (politely) to take a hike. I think answering the door with Mr. Ruger, or Mr. Remington
would help show my resolve.

With the other folks, I think I can work something out. Either a trade of labor, or
other skills, or just repaying past generosity to us.

Bear

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on October 28, 2009, 03:43:15 am
Repaying past generousity.......   Something to remember, if you are scary they will remember scary.  If you are a nice guy, but not to be trifiled with, they will remember that too.  When you are scaring them, how do you do it?  If you are drawing a line in the sand, you get respect. If you are running around going Boo! like some dangerous animal, you get marked.  Important to remember.

Also if you separate yourself from the community, you are going to have to run.  The community will have its own pecking order, and if you are not a part of it......   YOU could be fair game.  The little trades of an egg or a cup of sugar, ot the garden idea and just the simple day to day communication help build a community.  Even Lions form prides for a reason, and humans have always been clannish it is our fall back survival tactic when everything goes to pot.  If you are in an area and find/ place yourself outside the clan, you had better be "the Mad Monk on The Mountain" or be gone.  Simple sociology.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on October 28, 2009, 04:53:00 am
Also if you separate yourself from the community, you are going to have to run.  The community will have its own pecking order, and if you are not a part of it......   YOU could be fair game.  The little trades of an egg or a cup of sugar, ot the garden idea and just the simple day to day communication help build a community.  Even Lions form prides for a reason, and humans have always been clannish it is our fall back survival tactic when everything goes to pot.  If you are in an area and find/ place yourself outside the clan, you had better be "the Mad Monk on The Mountain" or be gone.  Simple sociology.

How very true.  I have a lot of great neighbors who are always willing to help each other out.  However, I don't think any of them have the prepper mindset.  (One neighbor may, he taught me quite a bit about gardening.)

One interesting observation I had a few weeks ago: My son had a school/family gathering complete with games and free food.  I was amazed at the 'me first' mentality at the food line.  This was on a gorgeous September day, at a fun gathering, with plenty of food to go around.  What would this mass of people look like when it is dark, dreary, and bags of rice only?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on October 28, 2009, 05:01:45 am
well, that is also a reason to be "communicating" with your community.   Beter to know NOW than Whenever.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on October 28, 2009, 10:48:51 am
Repaying past generousity.......   Something to remember, if you are scary they will remember scary.  If you are a nice guy, but not to be trifiled with, they will remember that too.  When you are scaring them, how do you do it?  If you are drawing a line in the sand, you get respect. If you are running around going Boo! like some dangerous animal, you get marked.  Important to remember.

Also if you separate yourself from the community, you are going to have to run.  The community will have its own pecking order, and if you are not a part of it......   YOU could be fair game.  The little trades of an egg or a cup of sugar, ot the garden idea and just the simple day to day communication help build a community.  Even Lions form prides for a reason, and humans have always been clannish it is our fall back survival tactic when everything goes to pot.  If you are in an area and find/ place yourself outside the clan, you had better be "the Mad Monk on The Mountain" or be gone.  Simple sociology.

What I had in mind was insisting on some sort of fair trade - bartering for vegetables. When I mentioned 'take a hike'
I was thinking that some might try to play on some imaginary friendship and expect a freebee. That isn't going to fly.

However, I will put my sweat into helping my neighbors build their own gardens, and provide them with the know-how I've gleaned
the hard way, even for those who originally approached for a freebee. I am doing what I can to boost my neighbors self reliance
now, before TSHTF. With any luck, I will have a good rep for that.

Bear

PS: About being 'scary'. What I had in mind was answering the door while wearing my Ruger. No overt threat intended.

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on October 29, 2009, 05:10:59 am
I was responding to several posts in that.  One of the reasons I am making a long run home when the time comes is because of the pecking order games, and scary/ non-scary issue.  Las Vegas used to be okay until the last 5-10 years, now we have ben inudated with the KaliKluelessKlan starting to be able to regulate things due to tyranny of the majority issues.  (They are now able to outvote the original locals who liked it the way it was.)

At home people are careful to who they sell to, and usually it is only someone they know.  Many/most have moved from places where a developer bought up a farm, and the ability to control things thru the vote went away.  the one development in at least one case was enough to be half the county population.  Consider it a quiet Marin county concept.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Today's Tom Sawyer on November 01, 2009, 04:32:42 pm


She said that if there is a disaster they will be
coming over to my house.

"No, you won't." 

See how easy that was?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Faydra6 on April 19, 2010, 09:19:46 am
Most of my family thinks I'm nuts for storing food and having chickens and rabbits.  I also carry a knife, but I don't tell anyone because I don't want to deal with annoying nagging.   I would love to carry a gun, but we live in Washington state and even though we live in the least populated area I think people would still be afraid.  I have tried to talk to friends and family about having only 2 weeks of emergency supplies but it makes them panic!  It's like people are afraid to look at the possibility of needing to rely on themselves and not the government or civilization to take care of them.  They tell me that they will come over to my house when "the big one" hits.  Hah!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Who...me? on April 19, 2010, 12:13:10 pm
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They tell me that they will come over to my house when "the big one" hits.  Hah!

A common answer given by those who are either too lazy or to blind to prepare.   Tell them that unless they stock up themselves or pay ahead and start giving you 20 bucks a week for supplies so you will be ready for them to show up...that your door will be barred and they will be locked out. 

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 19, 2010, 02:06:22 pm
Remember how that worked out for the ant and the grasshopper. Better they don't know where you are or what you have. Sad, but there it is.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: gaurdduck on April 19, 2010, 02:46:14 pm
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They tell me that they will come over to my house when "the big one" hits.  Hah!

A common answer given by those who are either too lazy or to blind to prepare.   Tell them that unless they stock up themselves or pay ahead and start giving you 20 bucks a week for supplies so you will be ready for them to show up...that your door will be barred and they will be locked out. 



Good Idea. I might use that once my gulch is established.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Who...me? on April 19, 2010, 03:36:50 pm
Remember how that worked out for the ant and the grasshopper. Better they don't know where you are or what you have. Sad, but there it is.

Yes ML I agree with you there...but my wife wouldn't and I will quote the great and all knowing so and so..."A happy wife means a happy life".  So that means I won't be able to shoot at my mother in law when she shows up empty handed and knocking at my door.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 19, 2010, 03:48:19 pm
Yes ML I agree with you there...but my wife wouldn't and I will quote the great and all knowing so and so..."A happy wife means a happy life".  So that means I won't be able to shoot at my mother in law when she shows up empty handed and knocking at my door.   :laugh:

Guess I'm much too old fashioned. In my day it was, "A man's home is his castle." sigh And my mother-in-law would have been the last person either of us would have let in empty handed... but that's a WHOLE 'nother story. :)

In any case, sounds like the $20. a month levy would work better for you. :)
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ;ohnboy on April 19, 2010, 06:33:18 pm
Whew! 7 pages takes a while to read on a cell phone *only form of internet I have* I've had mostly bad luck with trying to inform my friends and family about the need to "stock up". Lots of excuses like "that won't happen here" or " that would cost too much" or "sounds like a great idea" but never do anything about it. I have three like minded friends who see the need for it. But alas they all have excuses as the why they are doing nothing. Can't afford it, or they say the have enough when they have hardly anything at all and one who can afford it and knows he needs to but has only spent about 50 bucks at an REI sale and that's it so far. I made a little headway with my dad the other day when I was cleaning and removing some of the RUST from his old H&R .22 pistol. I asked him to do his "paranoid" son a favor and get him one of those 550 rd. Boxes for 20 bucks and months worth of canned and dried food to put up. He laughed and said me and his brother (who I've met once and lives halfway across the country from me) would really get along and that he would try to do it cause he could tell I was actually sincere in asking him.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: gaurdduck on April 19, 2010, 06:40:42 pm
Yes ML I agree with you there...but my wife wouldn't and I will quote the great and all knowing so and so..."A happy wife means a happy life".  So that means I won't be able to shoot at my mother in law when she shows up empty handed and knocking at my door.   :laugh:

Guess I'm much too old fashioned. In my day it was, "A man's home is his castle." sigh And my mother-in-law would have been the last person either of us would have let in empty handed... but that's a WHOLE 'nother story. :)

In any case, sounds like the $20. a month levy would work better for you. :)


For my family that would come out to $100 a month plus a n extra installment of $100 every 3 months or $1400 a year.

The break-down of spending:
$400 - 4 mosin-nagants or 12Ga shotguns or combination therof (the two calibers I already have)
$500 - Ammo for above, amount varies based on the haggling and deal hunting I learned in Ohio
$500 - Gohan, Hijiki, Wakame, Bonito, Nori, Shoyu, Supaisu, Edamame, Konbu, Koji (mold, not berry),
          Ra-men, Umeboshi, S&B Curry, Iri-Goma, Kuro-Goma, and some other stuff.

I could grow the veggies and Make the soy products. That's what the Koji is for. I think I'll start making Nattou too.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Who...me? on April 19, 2010, 09:51:36 pm
Yes ML I agree with you there...but my wife wouldn't and I will quote the great and all knowing so and so..."A happy wife means a happy life".  So that means I won't be able to shoot at my mother in law when she shows up empty handed and knocking at my door.   :laugh:

Guess I'm much too old fashioned. In my day it was, "A man's home is his castle." sigh And my mother-in-law would have been the last person either of us would have let in empty handed... but that's a WHOLE 'nother story. :)

In any case, sounds like the $20. a month levy would work better for you. :)

Well the reality of it is I'm not going to get jack up front so I do the best I can to stock up for the family that would probably show up.  At least as long as we are stuck here in the east.  OPSEC is the phrase of the day and my wife is at least on board with that as I got her to realize that anyone that knows we are prepping would show up here.  So we just don't talk to others about it.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: socalserf on April 19, 2010, 10:41:52 pm
I think I'll start making Nattou too.

I'm generally a big fermented foods fan, but Nattou is way over the line for me.

At work three of my co-workers have recently bought guns, and they didn't have any before.
Also, I got my nephew to the range where he shot a handgun for the first time.
He did very well with both the Glock 9 and the rifles.
Progress is possible!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: gaurdduck on April 19, 2010, 10:53:07 pm
Scaring the straights

I told my mom about my 3 month supply (It was a year, but I've been eating it so I don't have to haul it to MT).

So here's what happened:
She shows me her big house she got for a rock-bottom price in a rich neighborhood in suburbia. She has this great
pantry in her basement and there's a case of tomato sauce and two cases of bottled water in there. Nothing else.
So I go up and Look in her kitchen pantry. It's mostly condiments and like, a few days worth of staples. So Mom
comes over and asks me what I'm looking for. I said "Your food." She said, "You've seen it all." I said, "Where is your
emergency stockpile?" (She had one for Y2K, and tornado prep in the past.) She asked, "Why would I need one? I
could just go buy food at the store." Then she asked, "How much food do you have?" I gave her the approximate
weight of my rice supply and didn't get any further. Turns out my mother is a mundane, and I freaked her out.

My brothers got freaked out when I clipped my pocket knives on before going out. Their questions were why I needed
one, why I needed three, and why was one so big. Then Mom asked me if I planned to kill someone. (WTF?!) My reply:
"Hell no!" Their reason for going all over town unarmed and helpless: "We live in a good neighborhood with low crime."
Notice they didn't say 'no crime' and that they left their neighborhood.

Due to some childhood abuse, I can't sleep without a weapon close to hand and another under the pillow. This scared
them shitless. The Machete was leaning up against the bed and the Swiss Bayonet was under my pillow. I had given
instructions the night before that I was to be awakened by calling out my name from a distance. They didn't follow my
instructions. They grabbed my foot and about peed themselves when the bayonet came out from under my pillow in a
reverse grip with the sheath off. It took me a few seconds for my eyes to adjust and for me to realize what had happened
and stand down. I had to explain my actions later on and (in an attempt to smooth things over) I said "Well it could have
been worse." They asked how, and I said: "I usually sleep with one of my guns." They followed my waking instructions
after that.

I think I'll start making Nattou too.

I'm generally a big fermented foods fan, but Nattou is way over the line for me.

It can be dried and made into a snack similar to roasted peas.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: motomom on April 20, 2010, 12:32:39 am
This all reminds me of the story of the Little Red Hen, remember that?  She was the one who planted the wheat, harvested the wheat, took it to be ground into flour, baked it into some wonderful bread and everyone wanted her to share.

And she didn't.  She ate it ALL BY HERSELF.

And that is exactly my plan.  I've given up on everyone else except those who will help me now.  If they come around then, they had better be wearing their body armor.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Faydra6 on April 20, 2010, 09:40:19 am
This all reminds me of the story of the Little Red Hen, remember that?  She was the one who planted the wheat, harvested the wheat, took it to be ground into flour, baked it into some wonderful bread and everyone wanted her to share.

And she didn't.  She ate it ALL BY HERSELF.

And that is exactly my plan.  I've given up on everyone else except those who will help me now.  If they come around then, they had better be wearing their body armor.

I have considered having to turn family and friends away so that my own family will survive.  But I also have considered what will happen if local government gets the bright idea to confiscate private supplies.  My mom has a big mouth, and is a snoop.  She went into my basement while she was visiting and found our emergency supply room.  After that she tells everyone how "proud" she is of me that I have food supplies.  So pretty much my very large extended familywhich is full of sheeple, alcoholics, and drug additcts now knows. 

I ended up having to talk to her about this and said for her to stop telling people (who knows if it worked, probably not) , but the damage is already done.  Even if they can't get to me what happens if the government offers an extra food ration to anyone who gives info on stockpiles? You can bet they would sell me out in a heartbeat!   So now I am very carefull on letting anyone see or know about our food/supplies.  Even people who you trust could turn on you when it comes down to thier own survival.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on April 20, 2010, 09:56:26 am
Yeah, my mom never has understood opsec/privacy, so she inevitably ends up being hurt when my response to her "why did't you tell me about that?"  It usually puts a truly :rolleyes: wonderful  :rolleyes: end to an otherwise good visit/time.  My dad could get away with a "what did we discuss about talking dear"  but since he died........  My only choice has been to build some distance.  That has included some lies, a burden I have to bear...........

The idea is not to scare them, and to appear to be a knowledgable goto guy.  That way you become their sheep dog.  If you are GONE, they still have what you shared with them.  If you end up the duely elected (drafted) boss you better have a plan thought up, or they will hang you.  I liked the way "lights out" by halfast was done.  It showed how a neighborhood could be managed around to form a gulch...........

I do not hide that I shoot at the range, but I do not discuss what guns I have without them having shared the information first. I try and put out some ideas to help the sort on cash families, but I do not give handouts aside from knowledge.  I simply keep things a mystery, but friendly.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on April 20, 2010, 10:13:10 am
This all reminds me of the story of the Little Red Hen, remember that?  She was the one who planted the wheat, harvested the wheat, took it to be ground into flour, baked it into some wonderful bread and everyone wanted her to share.

And she didn't.  She ate it ALL BY HERSELF.

And that is exactly my plan.  I've given up on everyone else except those who will help me now.  If they come around then, they had better be wearing their body armor.

I'm pretty much on the same page, with one addition -- I will help people help themselves (ie, establish a garden),
but I'm not going to be their "Giving Tree".

Bear
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on April 20, 2010, 10:16:37 am
I do plan on being gone however, but I have planted seeds.  Like I mentioned I am helping a couple of folks put things together they have recently had a wake up call from a lost job and are trying to figure out the difference of necessity and want for the first time in their lives..........
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on April 20, 2010, 10:23:15 am
This all reminds me of the story of the Little Red Hen, remember that?  She was the one who planted the wheat, harvested the wheat, took it to be ground into flour, baked it into some wonderful bread and everyone wanted her to share.

And she didn't.  She ate it ALL BY HERSELF.

And that is exactly my plan.  I've given up on everyone else except those who will help me now.  If they come around then, they had better be wearing their body armor.

I'm pretty much on the same page, with one addition -- I will help people help themselves (ie, establish a garden),
but I'm not going to be their "Giving Tree".

Bear



I struggle with such things a lot.  I help my neighbors out when and where I can but I don't give handouts.  My wife sometimes gives me a hard time about being 'selfish' if I don't open the checkbook everytime a needy situation arises.  I will try your approach Bear.  "I will help people help themselves."
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 20, 2010, 10:23:54 am
There is a perfectly civil and very effective answer to the prying questions of strangers (or others you don't need to share with). When I'm asked something like "why do you need..." I look them right in the eye and say, "Why would you ask such a personal question?" Then I walk away. No purpose at all served by getting angry or giving a harsh answer.

And, of course, remember that I am always visibly armed, which has caused me to seriously temper my response to such annoyances. :)
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: motomom on April 20, 2010, 12:26:12 pm
Yeah, my mom never has understood opsec/privacy, so she inevitably ends up being hurt when my response to her "why did't you tell me about that?"  It usually puts a truly :rolleyes: wonderful  :rolleyes: end to an otherwise good visit/time.  My dad could get away with a "what did we discuss about talking dear"  but since he died........  My only choice has been to build some distance.  That has included some lies, a burden I have to bear...........

The idea is not to scare them, and to appear to be a knowledgable goto guy.  That way you become their sheep dog.  If you are GONE, they still have what you shared with them.  If you end up the duely elected (drafted) boss you better have a plan thought up, or they will hang you.  I liked the way "lights out" by halfast was done.  It showed how a neighborhood could be managed around to form a gulch...........

I do not hide that I shoot at the range, but I do not discuss what guns I have without them having shared the information first. I try and put out some ideas to help the sort on cash families, but I do not give handouts aside from knowledge.  I simply keep things a mystery, but friendly.

Ah, Rarick, your family sounds so much like mine.  I have an Aunt who is 85, and I've gotten to where I tell her absolutely NOTHING.  It is better at this point that she doesn't know.

Some of the things they don't know?  The existence of my BOL, and the stores I have there.  As selfish as it seems, the only people who will be admitted will be the ones I choose, and they will be the ones who have helped me prepare it.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Who...me? on April 20, 2010, 12:46:06 pm
This all reminds me of the story of the Little Red Hen, remember that?  She was the one who planted the wheat, harvested the wheat, took it to be ground into flour, baked it into some wonderful bread and everyone wanted her to share.

And she didn't.  She ate it ALL BY HERSELF.

And that is exactly my plan.  I've given up on everyone else except those who will help me now.  If they come around then, they had better be wearing their body armor.




I'm pretty much on the same page, with one addition -- I will help people help themselves (ie, establish a garden),
but I'm not going to be their "Giving Tree".

Bear



I struggle with such things a lot.  I help my neighbors out when and where I can but I don't give handouts.  My wife sometimes gives me a hard time about being 'selfish' if I don't open the checkbook everytime a needy situation arises.  I will try your approach Bear.  "I will help people help themselves."

+1  I had an ongoing problem with my sister in law and her boy friend who would call us all the time asking to "borrow" 20 bucks here or there.  Same guy who considers me his personal mechanic but never remembers he owes me for services rendered. Never seemed to get the point that borrow means you give it back and without me having to ask for it.  The wife also called me selfish and all I think about is money.  Took me awhile but I got her to see things from my point of view.

Why should I give money to someone (who by the way made more money than us at the time) to "buy food for the kids" when they had plenty of FRNs to buy cigarettes, a bag of weed, and go out to the bar every weekend.   Send the niece and nephew over and I will feed them...no problem...but I won't feed their parents or give them money to buy cigarettes.  Now my wife just tells them we are broke when they call.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 20, 2010, 04:26:59 pm
So now you feed the kids so Mom and Pop can buy a bag of weed and go to the bars?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 20, 2010, 05:15:31 pm
  Keep in mind M.L. that I'm at the moment stuck in the same state you used to be stuck in , you well know how some of these people can be. So the way I figure it right now is that if they view me as 'batshit cazy' ( shades of a certain Nickleback song 'eh) they'll leave me alone.

That's why they call an armed society a POLITE society.  I'm sure there are people who call me crazy, but not the other. :)

So, what the hell are you waiting for? An engraved invitation? sigh. Get out of there. :)

Good luck!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: gaurdduck on April 20, 2010, 06:58:04 pm
So now you feed the kids so Mom and Pop can buy a bag of weed and go to the bars?

Would you prefer that they starve alone at home while the parents are out partying?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Who...me? on April 20, 2010, 11:27:46 pm
So now you feed the kids so Mom and Pop can buy a bag of weed and go to the bars?

Nope...I feed them so two children don't go hungry despite having morons for parents.  Tho I can see how that is a possible interpretation. 
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on April 21, 2010, 05:23:35 am
So now you feed the kids so Mom and Pop can buy a bag of weed and go to the bars?

Nope...I feed them so two children don't go hungry despite having morons for parents.  Tho I can see how that is a possible interpretation. 

I hear that.  My brother finally divorced his wife who lied constantly, cheated on him, stole from him, etc etc etc but it is tough to completely turn my back on her as she has my nephew with her.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: mutti on April 21, 2010, 09:20:50 am
So now you feed the kids so Mom and Pop can buy a bag of weed and go to the bars?
Nope...I feed them so two children don't go hungry despite having morons for parents.  Tho I can see how that is a possible interpretation. 

 :thumbsup:

I can say thanks because  BTDT as a child. My parent would disappear for days and we knew a neighbor might help us out. Later a local grocer let us clean up the ally behind the Mom and Pop so we could earn food.  It's the little things like that kindness I remember (and try to pass on).
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 21, 2010, 03:06:24 pm
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Nope...I feed them so two children don't go hungry despite having morons for parents.  Tho I can see how that is a possible interpretation.

just keep in mind though, that ma and pa "know" that you'll feed their kids, and they can therefore buy that bag of weed and go to the bar.............
(edited in)

So in reality you're paying for that bag of weed and trips to the bar, and if such is the case, then who's the moron?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 21, 2010, 03:18:21 pm
fugured I'd add this microrant that I found on another site on the net
http://www.varmintal.com/apoli.htm

Thw guy is a conservative whackjob.............but one can never tell where jewels are to be found.......anways:

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My Cold Hearted View of abortion says that it is really a self curing problem. In time, the problem will go away by itself. Those women who don’t have the time and don't want to take the trouble to raise a child have an abortion. They are removing their genes from the gene pool. As time passes, only mothers who want children and are willing to take care of them will remain in the population. Therefore, slowly, the defective genes are being systematically removed from the gene pool.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Radio Flyer on April 21, 2010, 04:35:08 pm
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Nope...I feed them so two children don't go hungry despite having morons for parents.  Tho I can see how that is a possible interpretation.

just keep in mind though, that ma and pa "know" that you'll feed their kids, and they can therefore buy that bag of weed and go to the bar.............
(edited in)

So in reality you're paying for that bag of weed and trips to the bar, and if such is the case, then who's the moron?

It is a sad situation to be in, for years I was supporting my parasitic in-laws and was unaware this was happening, my wife had for years supported her mother and her mother continued to give all of that money to my wife's parasitic siblings and their brood of druggies.

I wanted to change jobs and told my wife - all hell broke loose when I was told she would have to go back to work to find the money for her mother - I was unaware that 1/3 of my income was filtering off to my in-laws, I just thought that expenses were just that high. This is the type of thing that can end in divorce but I simply told the wife to get with "the program" (our family and kids) and told the in-laws "tough shyte" and that as long as there was any little chance that my salary would end up as illegal drugs they could eat dirt!

I emptied the bank accounts, opened a new account only I had access to and started to dole out needs under strict supervision, and if anyone did not like it they could piss up a rope. I'll give the shirt off my back to someone in an emergency, but I HATE drugs and alcohol abuse and the trashy people that use it as an excuse to be trash. Anyone has the choice to be trash and can attempt to mooch off some other sucker, not me anymore.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: motomom on April 21, 2010, 05:14:23 pm
It seems to me the world is divided these days into 2 different kinds of people, with a few individualistic renegades.  Either you mooch off of someone or you are enabling the moochers.  I am really trying these days to be neither a moocher or an enabler, but instead I try to be an individual.    A renegade, if you will.  The moochers will never stop until we stop the enabling.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ;ohnboy on April 21, 2010, 06:07:40 pm
I'm an enabler in a defferent since I guess. About a quarter of my income goes to state required child support and I know my daughter doesn't even get a third of it. I could support two if not three a month with what I'm paying but I know it goes to other things. I was recently visiting my little girl for her bday and noticed the ammenities in their home that I lack/ can't afford. An alien gaming computer, the both of them have cell phones, a 50+ inch plasma tv with ps3 connected to it and wifi internet. Neither of them have jobs and have 3 kids running around a two bedroom apt and have foodstamps. Sorry this prob isn't the place for this, just needed to vent a little
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 21, 2010, 06:27:28 pm
The state as the enabler...........thus removing any need to face those who are forced to enable others at gunpoint
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Who...me? on April 21, 2010, 09:43:24 pm
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Nope...I feed them so two children don't go hungry despite having morons for parents.  Tho I can see how that is a possible interpretation.

just keep in mind though, that ma and pa "know" that you'll feed their kids, and they can therefore buy that bag of weed and go to the bar.............
(edited in)

So in reality you're paying for that bag of weed and trips to the bar, and if such is the case, then who's the moron?

No...not really.  They would party (and have) regardless of the kids having enough to eat.  I would see it that way if without my feeding the short ones they did not buy their goodies.  But they do anyway so I am not enabling them to do so. 
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on April 22, 2010, 12:17:40 am
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Nope...I feed them so two children don't go hungry despite having morons for parents.  Tho I can see how that is a possible interpretation.

just keep in mind though, that ma and pa "know" that you'll feed their kids, and they can therefore buy that bag of weed and go to the bar.............
(edited in)

So in reality you're paying for that bag of weed and trips to the bar, and if such is the case, then who's the moron?

That's true as far as it goes, but there is another way to look at it -

The moron parents are giving you the opportunity to mold their children's character into your likeness,
and you haven't gone through the pain of child birth or all of the expense to get them to them to this point.

Besides, if you do make them into fine, upstanding kids, it may annoy the parents enough that they stop sending
them to your place.

If you like the kids, it's an even trade -- they cede some of their responsibility, and you have the opportunity
to make good people.

Bear

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 22, 2010, 06:33:38 am
You can shape and mold a turd too..............but all you'll have for your efforts is a shapely molded turd............and stinky fingers...........
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on April 22, 2010, 10:25:42 am
You can shape and mold a turd too..............but all you'll have for your efforts is a shapely molded turd............and stinky fingers...........

Thank you for that visual.  It shall live in my brain forever.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 22, 2010, 10:46:52 am
Thank you for that visual.  It shall live in my brain forever.

Indeed. I'd suggest you lay off the caffeine for an hour or so, ZooT. You are overstimulated. LOL
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Radio Flyer on April 22, 2010, 01:05:21 pm
You can shape and mold a turd too..............but all you'll have for your efforts is a shapely molded turd............and stinky fingers...........

Funny but sadly true, it is one of the problems many of us here regardless of exact political bent - we all understand that we have to fight not only ignorance but the inability of far too many to even understand.

The lower the intelligence (or overall lack of cognitive ability and creativity) the higher chance that they will cling to statism and be controlled by propaganda.

The others we have to worry about are the parasitic predators, who use their abilities to control, they who choose evil and manipulation.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 22, 2010, 04:27:54 pm
no Mama...........not caffeine.............but instead seeing someone drop over from a stroke, when fighting about money............

Well..............I didn't see it, and I don't "know" that they were fighting at that particular moment...........but they're always fighting, and it's always about money..............while they feed the kids kids so the kids can buy that new xbox or whatever else comes down the pipe......

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 22, 2010, 04:48:11 pm
..but they're always fighting, and it's always about money..............while they feed the kids kids so the kids can buy that new xbox or whatever else comes down the pipe......

I was just kidding, ZooT. But not ALL families are like the one you are describing. Not ALL children are like the ones you are seeing. Each one must determine for themselves if they are trying to polish a turd, or a diamond in the rough - or maybe just a chunk of wood that might be useful somewhere besides the fire, if it only has a little help. One size does not fit all. :)
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 22, 2010, 05:52:23 pm
Yeah.............one size does not fit all...........yet in the distant past, the feet of women in the orient were bound thus that they not grow beyond the size of the bindings............and if there's only one size feet............then one size fits all...........

It's "cold hearted", but sometimes I think, the only way to win that game is to never start playing it......

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: bull on April 22, 2010, 06:33:40 pm
went on a field trip today with 2nd graders , and could tell who eat this am. and who doesnt eat well.
the diffrence is huge so is the IQ, so im fealing a little diffrent right now . i had 5 kids droped off on me 2 years ago
and didnt ask for help but it cost me just about everthing to get them well and feed up just to have the state come and take them from me . herd from 1 of them and am glade there safe and away from there mother.
the other side of that coin is the kids pay the price if we dont.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 22, 2010, 07:09:47 pm
So stupid people who don't care enough to feed their own children are pooting out stupid kids?

Well I guess you've made my point even if that wasn't your intention...........

Now imagine four generations of stupid people pooting out stupid kids.............Oh wait............you don't have to imagine it, it's reality........

So let's make more stupid laws to protect the stupid people from their own folly............
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Rarick on April 23, 2010, 03:25:55 am
..but they're always fighting, and it's always about money..............while they feed the kids kids so the kids can buy that new xbox or whatever else comes down the pipe......

I was just kidding, ZooT. But not ALL families are like the one you are describing. Not ALL children are like the ones you are seeing. Each one must determine for themselves if they are trying to polish a turd, or a diamond in the rough - or maybe just a chunk of wood that might be useful somewhere besides the fire, if it only has a little help. One size does not fit all. :)

Good analogy.  If you think about extending it it goes down all sorts of twisting paths doesn't it?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 23, 2010, 06:42:39 am
ZooT, sweeping generalities like that don't help anything. And, knowing you, starving children would not die in your front yard while you watched uncaring. Get real. And I've known many intelligent and good people who were born to stupid, dysfunctional and even quite evil families.

It is a serious problem, but each person and situation should be measured and dealt with on its own merits.

 
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Faydra6 on April 23, 2010, 09:04:55 am
OK,

Deep breath....

I just talked to my sister (who has 3 children) about food storage for emergencies.  Lets just say that it didn't go well.  I was very nice and calm, I told her our government and the red cross recommend emergency food.  And she told me that I am really paranoid for having food supplies, and even thinking about it!  She said that just thinking about it means that I am a very unhappy person!

I then asked her if she thinks that natural disasters never happen in America.  She said yes she knows they can, but she can't control them so she's not going to worry or prepare for it!  At that point I didn't hear so well because my head had just exploded! :BangHead:

I then tried to tell her that I am not unhappy with life or paranoid I just don't ever want my kids to go hungry.  The conversation ended with her re-stating that she doesn't have room in her 3000 sq ft house to store food, that she knows it's a good idea but she's just not going to worry about it.

She is also someone who pays attention to what goes on in the economy, she has admitted that printing money like toilet paper is not good.  She goes to tea party rallies and knows our taxes are going up.  When I asked her about that she said that she can't control the dollars fall so she just wont "worry" about it.  Meaning prepare for hard times.

AAARHHHHGGGG!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: knobster on April 23, 2010, 10:23:10 am
Good grief Faydra6...  Were you arguing with more than one person at a time?  Sounds like plenty of inconsistencies and contradictions.  Perhaps we need an emoticon with an exploding head!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Faydra6 on April 23, 2010, 10:28:08 am
Contradictions on my part or hers?  And no I was just talking to one person, my sister.  But you know how sisters can be.  Plus she is older than me, so you have that whole issue! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Radio Flyer on April 23, 2010, 01:03:34 pm
ZooT, sweeping generalities like that don't help anything. And, knowing you, starving children would not die in your front yard while you watched uncaring. Get real. And I've known many intelligent and good people who were born to stupid, dysfunctional and even quite evil families.

It is a serious problem, but each person and situation should be measured and dealt with on its own merits.

ML I don't think zoot is talking in that sweeping of a generality, Mendel's Laws of heredity include intelligence, physical talents, creativity, and adaptiveness in a 9:3:3:1 ratio based on sexual reproduction and recessive vs. dominant genetics. Because we don't typically inbreed in the US that ratio stays constant as new genetics from other sources is introduced (never returning to the original 3:1). So AT BEST we have 5 out of 22 genetically that can "break out" of the norm, a norm that is dropping with each generation.
"
Socially, intelligent people don't associate sexually as often with those with lessor mental abilities as the lessor types will associate sexually with each other. Because of this there is a general trend in genetics for lower and lower mental abilities, this is aggravated by state education MSM encouragement to "abandon" the "arrogance and evil" of the Intelligentsia (the worship of ignorance - also encouraged by religion) and we have a spiraling trend into the gutter. I don't think that this is by accident because "smart" slaves are difficult and the lower the mental abilities the easier to settle into statism and slavery.

I want to, and do by default deal with all people as individuals, but I am not going to follow the propaganda and not look at the "dangerous facts" that the above is not only true but can be proven. Statism is simply a version of predatory domination and it is self perpetuating, no predator wants to give up his or her easy flock of sheep.

We are being "farmed" and no one is paying attention.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Klapton Isgod on April 23, 2010, 01:32:17 pm
Socially, intelligent people don't associate sexually as often with those with lessor mental abilities as the lessor types will associate sexually with each other. Because of this there is a general trend in genetics for lower and lower mental abilities, this is aggravated by state education MSM encouragement to "abandon" the "arrogance and evil" of the Intelligentsia (the worship of ignorance - also encouraged by religion) and we have a spiraling trend into the gutter. I don't think that this is by accident because "smart" slaves are difficult and the lower the mental abilities the easier to settle into statism and slavery.

Unless she's hawt. 
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 23, 2010, 01:37:55 pm
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We are being "farmed" and no one is paying attention.

Don't include me in your "we."

I've worked with people from all walks of life, in cities, country and in between. I've been doing so for more than 50 years. There are all kinds of people, with every variable in intelligence and morals/motives. Nobody deserves to be stereotyped like this so they can be automatically discounted and ignored. Remember that one of the worst ploys of evil leaders throughout history was to get the people to consider certain members of their society subhuman so they could be ignored or, worse, killed. This is what I'm hearing here. Somehow, anyone who doesn't fit a certain criteria for intelligence, philosophy (or whatever) is somehow disposable, their lives don't matter and their children are automatically some kind of lesser beings.

And I don't care if it is our benevolent government or so-called libertarians who are doing it now. :(  Forgive me if I'm not reading you right... but that's what I hear you saying. We're all human, but some are less human than others.

Yes, I'm afraid that millions of people will die - especially because they have been duped and dumbed down. Many of them will make the choice to kill others because they are desperate and unprepared. And I will defend myself against those if I must, even to lethal force.

But I will continue to know that they are human beings, with the same God given rights as mine. And I will mourn their death as I will that of any other human.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Radio Flyer on April 23, 2010, 03:12:50 pm
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We are being "farmed" and no one is paying attention.

Don't include me in your "we."

No, (you may be missing the point) and yes at the same time, because as much as we may want to be "free" we are all currently subjects of the government and if they want to find you and help you "die free" they will - they have the monopoly on force and their compatriots run the MSM (cousins in power)...

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I've worked with people from all walks of life, in cities, country and in between. I've been doing so for more than 50 years. There are all kinds of people, with every variable in intelligence and morals/motives. Nobody deserves to be stereotyped like this so they can be automatically discounted and ignored. Remember that one of the worst ploys of evil leaders throughout history was to get the people to consider certain members of their society subhuman so they could be ignored or, worse, killed.

And I don't care if it is our benevolent government or so-called libertarians who are doing it now. :(  Forgive me if I'm not reading you right... but that's what I hear you saying. We're all human, but some are less human than others.

I figured this would happen, and yes you are following this in the wrong way, and forgive me for saying this but in a reactionary way I would expect (the hidden power of political correctness). It is the reason I referred to this as "dangerous thinking" there are certain aspects of propaganda that are particularly popular such as this idea that equal freedom equals equality.

We are all free, and for me that is where it ends, we all have the same rights to NOT be manipulated and defend ourselves, choose our mates (regardless of orientation), and choose our life path. But NONE of that makes one human "equal" to another that is pure religious fantasy.

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Yes, I'm afraid that millions of people will die - especially because they have been duped and dumbed down. Many of them will make the choice to kill others because they are desperate and unprepared. And I will defend myself against those if I must, even to lethal force.

But I will continue to know that they are human beings, with the same God given rights as mine. And I will mourn their death as I will that of any other human.

I would agree, while I think the rights are ours that we give ourselves, we are not immune to the "law of nature" - I support the idea of equal freedom, and in the end that equal freedom is extremely dangerous, statism wants stupid slaves, they are clearly encouraging voluntary breeding of new slaves and are trying to make the environment as save for the slaves as possible by removing the real dangers of freedom - that is farming - and we are all in the fence at the moment, no matter if we deny it or not.

That this attitude is dangerous I will not deny, as in "Animal Farm" that "some animals are more equal than others" is dangerous is clear. Our problem is that to take for example a talented craftsman is "equal" to a drug addicted thuggish moron is JUST as DANGEROUS. To fuel this fantasy we have religion, the MSM, and then the "farmers" active socialist programs like welfare to keep many safe and fed. This all goes back to Rand's theories as put out by her novels like "Atlas Shrugged" (I am not an objectivist and I dislike Rand BTW).

Freedom is dangerous, that alone will expose any human the the winnowing effects of the laws of nature, remove free food and everyone has to depend on their own abilities and talents and also remove the artificial promotion of the worship of ignorance by religion, MSM, and forced government "farming" and the species improves on it's own. The least is the most is BS as far as I am concerned.

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This is what I'm hearing here. Somehow, anyone who doesn't fit a certain criteria for intelligence, philosophy (or whatever) is somehow disposable, their lives don't matter and their children are automatically some kind of lesser beings.

Yes and No, don't think that I am some heartless individual, personally I am not, but I do have a low tolerance for parasitical and predatory behavior. Don't think I am some ivory tower insulated elite that grew up rich and spoiled. I do travel world wide helping people, that is my work, and I have seen some poverty that the US just does not have and I have helped people in areas like that - I know and I even have heart stings that can be pulled, regardless of my politics. I am a firm believer in "teach a man to fish" and I have been lucky enough to do that and get paid for it, my responsibility end if the individual cannot learn the lesson, or choses not to use it.

I also have to look at the reality of the situation, if more talented and able offspring is to be supported, the theft by the state currently form the "more able" to support the "less able" is counter to nature and is destructive. Does that make me look at some as "lessor beings", not necessarily, I reserve most of my contempt for the parasites and the predators, but to be told that I should feel some guilt for the children of a meth addicted single mom because they are hungry - sorry I'm not going to voluntarily put my children at risk for that irresponsibility.

Currently the "farmers" KNOW the "lessor" are easy slaves and ACTIVELY use them as "disposable", this is supported by their actions. What is more evil "farming" slaves or letting everyone expose themselves to the dangers of freedom and teaching the young the responsibility of choosing wisely in a mate and in life?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 23, 2010, 03:37:09 pm
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Our problem is that to take for example a talented craftsman is "equal" to a drug addicted thuggish moron

I guess it depends on your definition of equal. They are "equal" in absolutely nothing but the fact that they are human and have the same human rights. A newborn infant has exactly the same human rights as any other human. The fact that he or she can't yet exercise those rights does not negate them.

Now, you have every right to believe otherwise as much as you wish, of course.

And nobody, from the richest and most influential to the most depraved crack head has any "right" to impose anything on anyone else. That's the whole point! That's what makes all humans equal!! :)  And that only means that we must treat them as such... INCLUDING pulling the trigger if they attack us - in whatever form that comes.

Yes, freedom is dangerous. Life is full of incredible risk. And there is no way to avoid it if we hope to live free.

I choose to live free, considering each other human as an individual (and imperfect) human being and not as automatically part of some group - whether I like them or not.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 23, 2010, 03:40:48 pm
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We are being "farmed" and no one is paying attention.

Don't include me in your "we."

That's something of interest...........as most of the folks that hang around this place aren't a part of societies "we"...........and that's probably about the only defining factor that all have in common.
So while not a part of one "we" it would seem that another "we" has come into being if only to differentiate from those who would choose subservience over sovereignity.

And if one actively engages themselves ore are engaged by parents within the system............then yes indeed we are being "farmed".............we'll be tested as children in school, and our higher education tailored for some particular task which suits the results of the testing.........and then plopped into a cubicle or some other work area to labor until we drop over dead, and systematically fleeced all along the way......

And this "freedom movement", in reality, is not much less, but maybe more than an objection to this farming.........and in the eyes of the farmers, is nothing more than livestock that are constantly wondering away from the plantation.........

Which brings us to this new health care thing...........where the IRS and the health care industry are willingly or unwillingly working to build another row of fences around the plantation thus to ensure that ALL the livestock gets fleeced or milked, and that those the refuse and are outside the fence, and those that continue to test the fence get (creative language here) slaughtered and fed to any would think of doing the same, as an example.............

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This is what I'm hearing here. Somehow, anyone who doesn't fit a certain criteria for intelligence, philosophy (or whatever) is somehow disposable, their lives don't matter and their children are automatically some kind of lesser beings.

No.............what I'm saying is that responsibility for children lies with the parents alone.........and if the parents refuse, and someone else decides to hop in.............it's their choice..............and they well could be be taken to the cleaners.

It DOESN'T "take a village to raise a child" it takes a parent, or maybe two.............and that through time, considering that the government of this country actively attempts to legislate morality..............the "moral duty" to raise any child regardless of the lack of care by that childs parents is now "the law of the land'...........and the price to be paid as a result of this legislated morality is more than many can bear............which very well could put their children into the same level of "neglect" as the children of those who don't care.....

Here in the ghetto, if one were to feed two uncared for children today, tomorrow there would be 22, and the next day, the pigs, and the civil serpents would be here to drag me off to jail for running an unliscenced day care center...............because I'd be, at that point, "testing the fence" and would therefore be a threat.......
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 23, 2010, 03:44:00 pm
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No.............what I'm saying is that responsibility for children lies with the parents alone.........and if the parents refuse, and someone else decides to hop in.............it's their choice..............and they well could be be taken to the cleaners.

Where did I say it was anyone else's responsibility? Where did I say it was not a matter of choice? We're talking apples and oranges here.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Radio Flyer on April 23, 2010, 04:05:24 pm
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Our problem is that to take for example a talented craftsman is "equal" to a drug addicted thuggish moron

I guess it depends on your definition of equal. They are "equal" in absolutely nothing but the fact that they are human and have the same human rights. A newborn infant has exactly the same human rights as any other human. The fact that he or she can't yet exercise those rights does not negate them.

Now, you have every right to believe otherwise as much as you wish, of course.

And nobody, from the richest and most influential to the most depraved crack head has any "right" to impose anything on anyone else. That's the whole point! That's what makes all humans equal!! :)  And that only means that we must treat them as such... INCLUDING pulling the trigger if they attack us - in whatever form that comes.

Yes, freedom is dangerous. Life is full of incredible risk. And there is no way to avoid it if we hope to live free.

I choose to live free, considering each other human as an individual (and imperfect) human being and not as automatically part of some group - whether I like them or not.

There is a difference in "equal" and "equally free", that BTW was one of the biggest "typos" ever (and an interesting side note because of the issue of slavery).

Groups are, or can be both artificial constructs and natural, even if we deny it all humans will "group up" in ways that identify us. Currently we are part of a farm and we are like it or not livestock "testing the fence".

We are in agreement, I do look at people as individuals and I think that all should be "equally free", but I am also not going to teach my children that all humans are equal - that is a politically correct religious fantasy.

We are in agreement on the issues of free choice, it looks like our real bone of contention is the concept of equal human "value"... I can live with that difference, under a free system it works outside of that contention - does it not?

Now the active issue, we can choose to "live free" but are we? We currently have "farmers" and if we become too troublesome they will cage or kill us, so regardless of our choices - we are in the fence.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 23, 2010, 04:34:08 pm
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so regardless of our choices - we are in the fence.

You can choose to believe that, of course. Once again... do not include me in your "we."
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 23, 2010, 04:50:23 pm
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so regardless of our choices - we are in the fence.

No...........that's incorrect, many are outside the fence.........and it's a risky place to live........

In the past, these folks were called "outlaws" as they lived outside of the umbrella and protection of the law...........now they're just called criminals by those who tend the fences............and only because they're hurting for money
And as I've said before...........this IRS/health care thing is just a way to legitimize labeling those outside the fence as criminals to scare those thinking of what it might be like to live outside the fence, and not under the umbrella/protection/ control of the law....
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Radio Flyer on April 23, 2010, 04:59:16 pm
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so regardless of our choices - we are in the fence.

You can choose to believe that, of course. Once again... do not include me in your "we."

We will simply have to agree to disagree on that issue, unless we can come to some middle ground I do not see.

I am forced to fill out a 1040 each year

My clients are forced to send my 1099 forms

I am forced to renew my drivers license by state law

I am forced to carry and show my DL or my US passport to travel

I my monopoly of force am required to pay taxes that support wars that kill (currently "brown people who talk funny and worship the devil") innocent people and support un-Constitutional programs

I have to pay property taxes on things I have already paid for - so by default I do not own my property (one of the great loopholes in the Constitution BTW)

Unless you are wandering "off grid" on land you have no connection to and refuse a DL and don't register your motor car/truck you are subject to the same laws...

How is that free,, and how are you not part of this if you live in the US?

Please don't get me wrong, I often come off as "agitating" but that is NOT my goal, my goal is to learn by communication, something I do here on the MMF all the time. I am trying to understand, regardless if we would agree on every point.

And to zoot - I understand the outlaw concept, and the risks, but if someone is living "within the law" is that not "inside the fence", and by definition as long as we accept the tax laws, pay, and register everything as required how could we be "outside the fence"?
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 23, 2010, 05:14:40 pm
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And to zoot - I understand the outlaw concept, and the risks, but if someone is living "within the law" is that not "inside the fence", and by definition as long as we accept the tax laws, pay, and register everything as required how could we be "outside the fence"?
whose to say that such is the case?

The tax laws, and the pay and register everything denotes ownrship of something to be taxed and registered...........and not all own such things.............

As far as feeding the kids go............it might be a good time to make an offer of some form of "work" to those who aren't feeding their kids.............and let the parents know that if the work isn't accepted the food won't be given..................after all, the giver has to work for the money to buy the food.............and there's no reason why the parents shouldn't do a bit of work so as to have their kids fed.........
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Faydra6 on April 24, 2010, 12:33:23 am
I find the above conversations pretty interesting, but Zoo I think you are wrong.  I have watched my own "below intelligence" family tear itself apart with drug abuse, alcoholism, and major sexual and moral problems.  The worst thing is how they brought their kids into it.   Some of the things we went through makes me sick.  But a few of us cousins decided to live our lives differently.  I don't know why, but I can say in my case I wanted a different future for my children.  I saw what drugs, alcohol, and sexual immorality did to peoples lives and wanted no part of that.  Not because of the adults, if they want to destroy themselves thats their right, but because of what it did to the kids who were raised by people like that.  Some of my other cousins are now drug addicts and alcoholics and their kids are being raised abused and neglected.  It breaks my heart because I look at them and see the same basic possibilities that my own children were born with being twisted.

I have an amazing life now, not special, just normal.  But in your estimation people who are "below normal" shouldn't be given the chance at that.  If the world was like that I wouldn't even be here now

I have watched the train wreck of abusive people raising kids over and over.   Almost all children are born with the same possibilities.  It is what they are taught that makes the difference.

If all a child sees is a abusive immature parent who only lives for todays pleasures, then what will that child learn?  Most parenting and lifestyles come from what we see growing up.  And as we all know our culture is becoming more and more violent and me oriented.  What can we then expect from the children raised in this savage kingdom?  Most of them will never be told about anything other than me first.

But put that same child as a baby in a loving family who wants to teach integrity, justice, and kindness and you will have a totally different outcome.

Also intelligence is relative.  There is a guy at my husbands work who can barely read, but is able to fix the most complex machinery problems in a huge plant!  He leads a good life, has children he loves, and is a nice guy.  But because his intelligence isn't what we would call normal many people would say he should be culled. 

I also have a niece who is severely disabled.  She will never live on her own.  But my family and I have learned more about unconditional love and joy from her than from anything else.  I now look at the world in a different and richer way.  If she had been culled at birth I would have never known that kind of awakening.

Bottom line is that we have no right to decide who is worthy of life and freedom!  Once we start down that path our civilization will turn and destroy itself just like every other culture that has tried it.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Radio Flyer on April 24, 2010, 02:14:26 am
Bottom line is that we have no right to decide who is worthy of life and freedom!  Once we start down that path our civilization will turn and destroy itself just like every other culture that has tried it.

No one here has suggested anything of the sort in this thread, what has been proposed is that we should have the freedom to CHOOSE to help or not help, choose to feel compassion, choose to have charity, or choose to close in on our own families and friends and take care of our own first without having the State take by force what we have earned to pass on to others. Freedom is dangerous, and no one here has proposed anyone be shackled by less freedom, nor decide the fate of anyone we do not directly have care of, are you proposing that by refusing charity to someone we do not think worth our earned surplus is equal to genocidal intent?

I am familiar with emotional appeals as you have posted, but what is more cruel, feeding everyone for a few days and have 90% starve, or let the most able support their own and have 50% prosper? I am afraid that statistics are against many of your proposals, our desire for an outcome will not have any effect on it's actual progression.

Our civilization has already turned on itself and is in it's final death throws. No one has suggested anything about deciding from a statist position only from an individual prospective - I think we should have the right to choose as individuals where our earned surplus goes, if we use a value scale in a triage for support is that not the right of the individual?

Remember eugenics is not something that came from the German NSDAP that was an American promotion, and it was intended not on culling anyone from the population but to offer to select individuals a reward for sterilization, purely voluntary. The later application of some of the concepts under State direction and control is where most Americans see eugenics, they know nothing of it's origin.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Faydra6 on April 24, 2010, 04:14:47 pm
Radio flyer Said: [ are you proposing that by refusing charity to someone we do not think worth our earned surplus is equal to genocidal intent?

I am familiar with emotional appeals as you have posted, but what is more cruel, feeding everyone for a few days and have 90% starve, or let the most able support their own and have 50% prosper? I am afraid that statistics are against many of your proposals, our desire for an outcome will not have any effect on it's actual progression.

Our civilization has already turned on itself and is in it's final death throws. No one has suggested anything about deciding from a statist position only from an individual prospective - I think we should have the right to choose as individuals where our earned surplus goes, if we use a value scale in a triage for support is that not the right of the individual?">>

RF

I was not talking about TEOTWASWKI.  That has not happened yet.  It may never happen in our lifetimes (though I doubt it).  Nor am I suggesting state forced charity, which is a joke anyways!  However it has become increasingly popular thinking in our culture to devalue those whose lives are deemed below standard.   And I am not talking about feel good emotions.  I was stating that if we start to decide who is deserving of life just so everyone can fit into our  preconceived notions of usefullness then we are on the short path to destruction.

When is life worth living?   How much can we give up before turning into something monstrous? It can become monstrous faster than you think.  Take a look at China and the birth policies.  Can you imagine being forced to abort an 8 month old baby you have carried and felt growing inside of you?  It leaves deep scars, those women suffer for life and that transfers to the society one way or another.  They are just starting to see major fallout from those policies.  Just as our civilization is fragile, so is our idea of freedom.  How easy to become another Germany or China.  If you look at the people in those countries they just accept it as normal what is happening.  Of course they know it really is bad, but hey thats the "law" right.

What I'm trying to say is that when you restrict the basic rights of humans unintended consequences happen.  The society starts cracking, calling for more controls.  I would rather go through a SHTF situation than fascism any day.  Fascism is more than just control, it kills the spirit of people.

"Remember eugenics is not something that came from the German NSDAP that was an American promotion, and it was intended not on culling anyone from the population but to offer to select individuals a reward for sterilization, purely voluntary. The later application of some of the concepts under State direction and control is where most Americans see eugenics, they know nothing of it's origin."

I know this, but whenever a country tries to implement eugenics it always ends up as non-voluntary.  American intellectuals came up with it, but it was never implemented here beyond alot of big talk.  So you can't say that it didn't go that way in America. 

When our civilization goes belly up everything will change.  And in a horrible way.  We will have to make decisions that will haunt us.   I will not be able to help everyone, even people deserving of it.  Maybe not even my own family.  You will not have a choice anymore when it comes to who gets what, you may look at starvation yourself.

   I just don't pretend that is wont hurt to do it.  I will never be able to turn people away without knowing that they are going to die.  And I hope it will never stop hurting, because if it does than something inside me has broken.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: motomom on April 24, 2010, 08:35:25 pm
This amounts to the toughest questions that I have had to deal with in my life.  To see a child that through no fault of their own is suffering with a totally dysfunctional parent is hard, if you take the child and raise it right, or help, you merely enable the dysfunctional adult to have more children.  If you don't help, the child keeps suffering.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: gaurdduck on April 25, 2010, 04:03:30 am
This amounts to the toughest questions that I have had to deal with in my life.  To see a child that through no fault of their own is suffering with a totally dysfunctional parent is hard, if you take the child and raise it right, or help, you merely enable the dysfunctional adult to have more children.  If you don't help, the child keeps suffering.

Evil triumphs only when good people do nothing. By not helping when you could have, you give your silent consent to that evil.

Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Faydra6 on April 25, 2010, 09:30:11 am
This amounts to the toughest questions that I have had to deal with in my life.  To see a child that through no fault of their own is suffering with a totally dysfunctional parent is hard, if you take the child and raise it right, or help, you merely enable the dysfunctional adult to have more children.  If you don't help, the child keeps suffering.

Having a good person in that childs life can change everything!  I know many people who have told me how one persons kindness in their life helped them turn to a good way of living.  You never know how one act of kindness, or selflessness on your part can change a childs way of looking at the world.  And I don't mean giving them stuff.  I mean just being there.  Taking the time to teach the kid something.  We have a little girl who lives down the street and she comes from a really messed up family.  She has lots of problems, but I let her come over as much as possible to get her out of that.  She may live the way she has been raised but maybe not.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 26, 2010, 05:20:30 pm
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By not helping when you could have, you give your silent consent to that evil.

Yeah.........but on the other hand by helping, in  this particular case where help "isn't " needed, because it's NOT "needed" as the money is there, it's just pissed away on dope and drink instead...........

The problem isn't the kids, it's the parents.............treating the problem without curing the problem, leaves the problem intact while only dealing with the particular symptoms that one finds offensive...........

It's a sticky situation.........logic, emotion, and principles all come into play.............and regardless of what choice one makes, one of the three are going to end up up flapping in the wind, being unresolved...........
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Who...me? on April 26, 2010, 06:08:45 pm
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By not helping when you could have, you give your silent consent to that evil.

Yeah.........but on the other hand by helping, in  this particular case where help "isn't " needed, because it's NOT "needed" as the money is there, it's just pissed away on dope and drink instead...........

The problem isn't the kids, it's the parents.............treating the problem without curing the problem, leaves the problem intact while only dealing with the particular symptoms that one finds offensive...........

It's a sticky situation.........logic, emotion, and principles all come into play.............and regardless of what choice one makes, one of the three are going to end up up flapping in the wind, being unresolved...........

Ya Zoot yer right.  The parents are the problem but I have no power (or desire) to make them do anything...including see the error of their ways.  My wife and I have talked to them in the past...and have been routinely ignored.  We got the same eye rolling attitude that everyone gets when the recipient of your advise didn't want to hear what you had to say. Even when they came to us asking for advise.  So we don't bother with them anymore...they are after all adults even if they don't act like it. 

So we do what we can...feed the kids now and then and try to show them by example that you get out of life what you put into it. 
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Klapton Isgod on April 26, 2010, 06:31:09 pm
You are never wrong to do an act of kindness toward a child.  It may not fix anything, or solve any real problems...  but you are never wrong to be kind.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Radio Flyer on April 26, 2010, 08:32:52 pm
You are never wrong to do an act of kindness toward a child.  It may not fix anything, or solve any real problems...  but you are never wrong to be kind.


I would have to agree, the flip side is that I think any person is absolved of any responsibility or "guilt" if they can reasonably guess that their aid will do harm or end up encouraging dangerous ends.

As has been pointed out often charity marks you as a sucker and could be a tactical error that could cost you your possessions or even your life. I had my home robbed by one of the in-laws kids and his punk friends. When I found out I walked over to the in-laws and told them that if their worthless dope smoking punk ever showed up on our place they would never find what was left. For some reason I was the "bad" guy because I just did not blow off thousands of dollars of theft. I turned the punk over to the local sheriff who found out his gang had robbed over 20 homes, I hope he enjoyed prison.

When SHTF this could be a real problem.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: krash.landing on April 26, 2010, 08:51:27 pm
Started reading "One Second After" it's about an EMP attack on the US... I never really contemplated some of the issues that would be at hand... It is a must read book.  I am about 1/2 way through... I have added so many things to my to do list....
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on April 27, 2010, 06:32:04 am
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As has been pointed out often charity marks you as a sucker and could be a tactical error that could cost you your possessions or even your life.

Yeah...............particularly if the state gets involved at some point, and finds out that you're filling other peoples kids heads full of stuff about freedom and liberty.......which is currently a very unpopular subject to TPTWB (the powers that want to be...meaning the swarms of agents sent forth to harrass the people and eat out their substance.........as outlined in the original declaration of independence)
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Bear on April 27, 2010, 12:52:37 pm
Started reading "One Second After" it's about an EMP attack on the US... I never really contemplated some of the issues that would be at hand... It is a must read book.  I am about 1/2 way through... I have added so many things to my to do list....


An excellent read. There seems to be some disagreement whether an EMP attack would take out all automobiles or not, but other than
that point, I think he's right on.

Bear
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 01, 2010, 01:11:07 pm
Pardon the very belated reply, but getting back to "scaring the straights"...

...I would love to carry a gun, but we live in Washington state and even though we live in the least populated area I think people would still be afraid. ...

I'm also in Washington state.  Something you might consider is a concealed pistol license.  They are very easy to get here.  Yes, you have to provide a bunch of personal info, and you end up on "The List", and the very idea of a license to exercise a right is offensive... but we've got it a lot better here than in many other states.

I was surprised at how oblivious (or unconcerned) people were when I started carrying concealed.  I was sure that everyone would be staring at the nerdy and obviously heavy little waist pack I was wearing.  Nope.  I guess I look so nerdy that it just went with my persona. ^_^  You should be able to find some way to carry that blends with your own style.

Thanks for some very good posts in this thread.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: stainzblue on July 17, 2012, 10:42:42 am
So I guess I'm saying that if you are regularly shocking your neighbors, give at least a bit of thought to changing neighborhoods. Those folks won't be any help at all and, in fact, will be real problems when the chips are down.

I have not stopped thinking about this paragraph since you wrote it.  My kid turns 18 years old this summer.  That's a game changer and opens up many options. I'm visiting Wyoming in August to see what's going on and what it's all about. 

Neither the word television nor the abbreviation TV has been in my vocabulary for years.  It is forever known as the Karaoke monitor even though I don't have a Karaoke machine.  It's really just a Netflix viewer now.

Always look forward to your posts.  I wish you all the best in your endeavors up in Idaho!
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: gaurdduck on July 17, 2012, 07:17:09 pm
So I guess I'm saying that if you are regularly shocking your neighbors, give at least a bit of thought to changing neighborhoods. Those folks won't be any help at all and, in fact, will be real problems when the chips are down.

I have not stopped thinking about this paragraph since you wrote it.  My kid turns 18 years old this summer.  That's a game changer and opens up many options. I'm visiting Wyoming in August to see what's going on and what it's all about. 

Neither the word television nor the abbreviation TV has been in my vocabulary for years.  It is forever known as the Karaoke monitor even though I don't have a Karaoke machine.  It's really just a Netflix viewer now.

Always look forward to your posts.  I wish you all the best in your endeavors up in Idaho!

People generally think I'm nuts for not owning a TV or knowing what happened on the latest 'reality' show last week. Other than my recent addiction to MLP, I don't watch TV.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: slidemansailor on July 17, 2012, 11:28:16 pm
So I guess I'm saying that if you are regularly shocking your neighbors, give at least a bit of thought to changing neighborhoods. Those folks won't be any help at all and, in fact, will be real problems when the chips are down.

I have not stopped thinking about this paragraph since you wrote it.  My kid turns 18 years old this summer.  That's a game changer and opens up many options. I'm visiting Wyoming in August to see what's going on and what it's all about. 

Neither the word television nor the abbreviation TV has been in my vocabulary for years.  It is forever known as the Karaoke monitor even though I don't have a Karaoke machine.  It's really just a Netflix viewer now.

Always look forward to your posts.  I wish you all the best in your endeavors up in Idaho!

Thank you.
There is plenty of room here where there are still gun racks in the pickups with actual rifles in them.  It is imperfect, for sure, but the odds are distinctly better of having people on your side than most places I've been.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: GK on April 25, 2015, 04:57:52 pm
I always answer 'how many can you SHOOT at a time"? That's what i have, 2. (on hand). One to ccw and one just like it to practice with. That way, the fouling and wear of practice don't go on the carry gun and I need not CARE that it goes onto the practic/spare. :-) Also, if I have to jettison or somehow lose the carry gun, I have a near-instant replacement.

There IS one more, but it's buried and not getting dug up unless shtf.
Title: Re: Scaring the straights
Post by: sovereignbastard on April 25, 2015, 05:15:03 pm
this could double your odds !

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