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Title: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: Arizona Ranger on September 07, 2005, 01:34:28 pm
I'm sure we're ALL tired of $3 and climbing Gas Prices and we long for the days when we could travel freely without spending a fortune or getting harassed by some LEO with a bug up his fat ass !

Recently I remembered that certain Travel Firms offered the budget minded Traveler Alternative Travel Options such as booking passage aboard a Freighter that took passengers. Also working as a Courier has its advantages...One group out of NYC called NOW VOYAGER used to allow you one piece of carry on baggage for clothes and ammentities.... :wub: Besides whats wrong with a trip to Sukarta or Montevideo to accompany a cargo of Penguin Eggs ? ^_^

(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=penguins/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=132li7not/EXP=1126204855/*-http%3A//www.poster.net/davis-tim/davis-tim-penguins-the-odd-one-out-8300015.jpg)

And remember Hitchiking ? Boy those were the days when you could stick your thumb out and get a ride down the Pike. Of course you had to deal with the Porkers and half sane drivers but it was fun. One Girl I knew used to hitchike everywhere and was'nt afraid of being raped since she had a Black Belt in Karate and used it on a few devious Males.... :wacko:

(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hitchikers/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=129ua5tqu/EXP=1126204776/*-http%3A//www.daymonjhartley.com/Homeless/hitchikers.jpg)

Abbie Hoffmans STEAL THIS BOOK gave some great tips on Thumbing a ride and suggested putting a Canadian Flag on your Backpack to pass yourself off as a Canuck. Also having a sign with EAST or WEST on it instead of a certain destination helped....

Or you could try the Woody Guthrie method of riding the Boxcar like a well dressed hobo but since 9-11 thats pretty difficult.... :rolleyes:

Any other Alternate Travel Tips ? :huh:
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: velojym on September 07, 2005, 04:54:56 pm
Back in my single days, when I lived in an apartment in Little Rock, worked about 1.8 miles from there, I rode my bicycle, regardless of the weather. That was actually better, as walking to the secure parking lot, starting my van, and getting out to the street took about as much time as wheeling out the front door and getting to work anyway. Besides, I was able to take the bike into the Coin Vault with me at a Loomis Fargo terminal.
I rode it everywhere else, too. My van collected dust.
Now I'm 'civilized', live across town from work, and I go to school full time, leaving no time to ride. I bought a small pickup, now have those expenses, insanely expensive gas, and an additional 70 lbs hanging about my middle.
*sigh*
I love my wife, but sometimes I miss the old days.
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on September 07, 2005, 06:01:58 pm
I'm sure we're ALL tired of $3 and climbing Gas Prices and we long for the days when we could travel freely without spending a fortune or getting harassed by some LEO with a bug up his fat ass !

According to what I hear the gas prices are starting to ease off a bit,  now...

The biggest worry I have about traveling by car is those situations where they're gonna *insist* on a search and you can't avoid it,  don't know it's coming,  and can't do a damn thing about it -- don't care to go unarmed these days and don't care to lose what little resources I have buying guns I can't keep not to mention the loss of freedom in that context.

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And remember Hitchiking ? Boy those were the days when you could stick your thumb out and get a ride down the Pike. Of course you had to deal with the Porkers and half sane drivers but it was fun. One Girl I knew used to hitchike everywhere and was'nt afraid of being raped since she had a Black Belt in Karate and used it on a few devious Males.... :wacko:

Hell yeah!  That used to be my preferred mode of travel,  back in the late sixties,  up until around 1970 or so.  But I sure wouldn't care to try it too much these days.  My few attempts to do so in the time since then (not lately) have not been real productive,  but then it always was harder in the east,  anyhow.  Having a traveling companion of the female persuarion usually helped a lot,  too.

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Or you could try the Woody Guthrie method of riding the Boxcar like a well dressed hobo but since 9-11 thats pretty difficult.... :rolleyes:

I would think so,  yeah,  though there is a railroad line about a block from here and I have seen some open boxcars going by. The trick to that method is *knowing* places to get both on and off where you're not in the middle of a trainyard and where the train is going slow enough so that you don't end up risking injury.  These days I'd be hard pressed to even think of trying it,  unless I happened to be traveling with somebody who knew it well and could advise me.
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: velojym on September 07, 2005, 06:34:07 pm
I just had this image of TSA shaking down hoboes ^_^
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: woodtramp on September 07, 2005, 07:31:11 pm
Actually hitchhiking is still doable.I hitched a little last year in the west,midwest and southwest and it went pretty well.

If anybody were to do it the three things I'd recommend are:

1.A patient,take it as it comes attitude.

2.Comfortable walking shoes.

3.Plenty of drinking water.(Oh man those 100 degree days can be brutal)
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: Arizona Ranger on September 08, 2005, 12:11:23 pm
I also remember the hearty traveller if at a Truck Stop would be guaranteed a ride from a 18 Wheeler Jockey in exchange for picking up the meal tab at the next stop... -_- Truckers usually on a long haul would appreciate the company and someone to watch the rig & cargo whilst they knocked off for a few ZZZ's or layover....

(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=smokey+and+the+bandit/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=127vn61qa/EXP=1126285803/*-http%3A//media.movieweb.com/news/old/02_04/bandit.jpg)

But unfortunately Insurance regulations put an end to that....

One time back in the 30's when my Dad was Hitchiking across this Once Great Land of ours, he took ride from a guy ferrying a Hearse into Tulsa, OK....Guess where they slept ???? ^_^
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: velojym on September 08, 2005, 12:20:00 pm
Not a 'stop' so much as a more careful way of pickin' and choosing riders. One of the things that
kept us from stopping for folks was the increased worry about some of the violence visited upon some drivers. Not only that, but we were legally pretty much unable to carry our guns with us, crossing so many state lines and all (not that it matters to some, and my hat's off to 'em).
I got careless once in North Carolina, picked up a guy to take him across town since I was headed that way anyway, and at a stoplight he grabbed my wallet (couldn't sit on it all day, and didn't think to remove it from the console) and ran.
Had my .357 with me, but being an otherwise responsible sort, I took the loss rather than pose a danger to bystanders, not to mention the obvious legal problems.
I've had a couple of decent passengers, as well, but this blew it for me.
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: Arizona Ranger on September 08, 2005, 12:44:12 pm
Sorry to hear that velojym. I got stuck in Western PA and asked the Waitress at a Truck Stop where I could catch a ride since I only had $20 in my pocket. :rolleyes:

She fixed me up with a Trucker going to Philly who took me aboard and I treated him to a Mickey Dees meal along the way. He was from place near Whitefish, MT and talked about the great country out there and the great fishing to be had... ^_^

He dropped me off near the NJ-PA border and I then grabbed a Bus taking a long haul from New Hope, PA to Newark Airport....

Even with a few $$$ left in my wallet, It was one great adventure and I'd do it again !
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: velojym on September 08, 2005, 01:19:32 pm
 Yeah, it's kind of a shame, cuz a little conversation goes a long way behind the wheel.
The CB helped sometimes, but I usually just turned it off when I couldn't take the ignorant crap.
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: Arizona Ranger on September 08, 2005, 02:18:14 pm
Hippie Vans were the best bet for Hitchers !!!

(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hippie+vans/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=11i07fpkm/EXP=1126293397/*-http%3A//ladyserenity.us/van.gif)

(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=keep+on+truckin/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=132o71n1t/EXP=1126293472/*-http%3A//cougar.slvhs.slv.k12.ca.us/~pboomer/chemlectures/qual/keepontruckin.jpg)
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: henshawe on September 09, 2005, 03:06:29 pm
G' Day All,

Am seriously considering selling my truck and camper sometime between now and this spring, using the proceeds to by a Harley, probably a Fat Boy or a 'Dresser, if I can find one at a reasonable price. With a bike the fuel prices wouldn't hurt so much and the view of the country side is unsurpassed! Besides many ladies find a bike and it's rider veeeerrrry interesting.  :rolleyes:

Regards,

Americus
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: giddytrace on September 09, 2005, 05:30:04 pm
An option if you are in or near a college town around certain times of the year (holidays, spring break) is to see if you can find a ride-sharing board. I went to a university in the Northeast that had one of these and it was full of people looking for rides and/or passengers around those times of year. From what I understand, some schools got rid of these in the 1970s because they were used by criminal predators to find victims, so in those schools you are often better off looking around to see if anyone has put up flyers for someone looking to split gas and tolls.

I understand this is not effective most of the year, but it does give you an option if you are looking to get to a major city during the busy holiday travel season. Key thing is to look like a typical college student or if that isn't a possibility, cook up a story about being a grad student. Just make sure that whatever you claim to be majoring in is offered by the school .  -_-
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: velojym on September 09, 2005, 11:12:30 pm
That reminds me, there is also a ride share network of sorts at airports. A solo pilot heading somewhere is fairly likely to appreciate help with fuel expenses. I sometimes see posts on the bulletin board in the general aviation terminal offering a ride for a share of fuel, or folks looking for a ride.
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on September 10, 2005, 02:00:21 am
Hippie Vans were the best bet for Hitchers !!!

(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hippie+vans/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=11i07fpkm/EXP=1126293397/*-http%3A//ladyserenity.us/van.gif)

Dang,  I didn't know anybody wuz takin' pitchers...

I'm stuck in the middle,  there,  not quite visible.  But yeah,  been there and done that one!  And there were some really insane times,  too...
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: Malaclypse on September 15, 2005, 01:05:37 pm
G' Day All,

Am seriously considering selling my truck and camper sometime between now and this spring, using the proceeds to by a Harley, probably a Fat Boy or a 'Dresser, if I can find one at a reasonable price. With a bike the fuel prices wouldn't hurt so much and the view of the country side is unsurpassed! Besides many ladies find a bike and it's rider veeeerrrry interesting.  :rolleyes:

Regards,

Americus

It's the only way to travel, Americus!  My wife and I have matching 1997 Honda VLX's 600cc and they are our primary transportation whenever it isn't raining or snowing.   :laugh:  60 miles to the gallon most days and with a set of saddlebags, a tent and a bucket on the back for the dog, we can take off for the weekend and have a blast.  I'm looking into diesel bikes next for when TSHTF so I can make my own fuel.  There's also plans on the web for homemade heated clothing that is very inexpensive and really works!

Live Free or Die Trying!

Malaclypse
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: Arizona Ranger on September 15, 2005, 01:56:25 pm
Also picked this up off another website ! :mellow:

Where Hitchhikers Hitch
Hitchhiking by travel backpackers is relatively common in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. Most veteran hitchhikers consider the U.S. one of the worst countries for hitching, except for Alaska and Hawaii where it's excellent. I will add that rural Texas is obliging--they always think your truck is broke down.

The north of England, Scotland, and Wales are very good. In Poland the first car or horse-drawn cart that can stop usually stops, and the hospitality is usually great.

While hitchhikers raise about as much compassion in France and Spain as the average telephone pole, your odds of getting a lift are still much better than the average telephone pole. (Now those guys...) I must give an extra star to France, however, since it's the one country where women drivers would regularly pick me up.

Hitchhikers quickly cover vast distances in Germany once they get to service centers on the autobahn. The trick is getting there in the first place. Hitchhiking in Italy, while exciting, is dangerous since about one Italian driver in five is actively seeking a meeting with God.

While few Japanese hitchhike in Japan, many westerners do because of the high cost of transport. Japanese stop right away because they think something must be wrong. New Zealand is nearly crawling with German and English hitchhikers, with a few Maoris sprinkled in to keep it interesting. Australia is good, but the distances are so vast you might end up with the same ride for days. Truckers are your best bet there.

The trouble with Ireland is--and all serious hitchhikers agree--it's too feckin' easy!




Note to Women Hitchhikers
Women must be aware solo hitchhiking is the least safe of all options. Yes, mostly you can get away with it, but odds for trouble skyrocket. A whole new subset of drivers will stop for solo women who usually whiz on by a man, a man and a woman, or two women. These include ax murderers, rapists, robbers, and general sleazeballs. (To be fair, some female drivers only stop for female hitchhikers.)

I have seen this subset while hitching with women and sitting out of sight. Cars screech to a halt or circle around, leering, toothless drivers checking the scene. They zoom on after catching sight of me, dreams of easy sex thwarted. Of course, the greatest threat to hitchhikers is the driver who looks like any other, but has evil or stupidity at his core.

My Irish friend Maureen had some experience hitchhiking in Ireland, where she considered it safe. Traveling on the continent for the first time, she didn't want to be constrained by "sexist" thinking about hitchhiking, so she occasionally thumbed a ride.

On her last solo ride in Poland she climbed into a van with a group of other hitchhikers, thinking she would be safe with them. Gradually the others were dropped off until only she remained. The driver turned off the highway onto a back road. Night was falling, and she had an uneasy feeling. Then he pulled over, nothing but forest around for a long way. He began looking at her significantly and motioning to the back of the van. Panicking, and thinking how stupid she was for being there, she grabbed her pack and tried to get out. The driver also grabbed the pack but said no, it was okay. He restarted the van and they went on without further event.

Maureen considers herself lucky, and says she will never again hitchhike alone. She wanted to make clear, however, that her solo journey around Europe, and especially Poland, was one of the best experiences of her life.

http://www.artoftravel.com/13hitchhiking.htm

Also staying at Hostel in the US and Overseas isn't just for the under 21 crowd anymore. Many people I know have signed up for http://www.hostels.com/ to take advantage of the great rates and accessibility to certain attractions. Of course they're not the Ritz Carlton or the Royal York but you sometimes hang out with a great bunch of people from all over the globe ! If you stay in the UK , you'll meet a lot of kewl people from Germany who know how to PARTY !!!!  :occasion14:
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: Arizona Ranger on September 21, 2005, 11:52:01 am
Here's another tip when going overseas....

Instead of riding on the Air Conditioned Cattle Cars they call a Tour Bus, why not negotiate with one of the Local Cabbies to take you around since they know where all the great tourist spots, eateries, and shops are....

My Dad did that when he travelled to Italy and Poland and had the time of his life....

Also when overseas, being an American tends to be a tad hazardous ever since our Iraq excursion so here's some ways to avoid being harassed as an "Ugly American"

- Make friends with EVERYONE !!!  :thumbsup:

- Respect the populace, their language, customs, and easy going ways. It would'nt hurt to remember expressions like THANK YOU, PLEASE, I'M SORRY, and I'M LOST, CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME ?

- If invited for Lunch/Dinner at a Foreign Persons home, do not stuff yourself like a Pig since what they place in front of you may be their entire food for the week...

- TRY to learn the language

- Avoid Political and Religious Subjects especially in a Bar or Pub !

- Never throw your money around like a drunken sailor

- Ask Permission before taking photos of Religious Areas, Shrines, and Historical Areas...

- Be good to the local children, Women Folk, and the Elderly ...

And

Check out some great out of the places like Goa or Madras, India which are leftover Hippie Colonies in India or Katmandu in Nepal....

Also check out renting a Car or Van in your area...

Get your Dental Work done BEFORE going overseas ! :nono:

Make sure your Prescription Drug Sheet is up to date and in the language of the Nation you are going to so you wont do an reeanactment of MIDNIGHT EXPRESS... :rolleyes:

And as for Narcotics...DON'T BRING THEM, BUY THEM OR SELL THEM especially in Turkey, Malaya, Indonesia, and Mexico ! :angry:

Also this is very helpful !

http://www.comebackalive.com/df/advcalls.htm
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: linuxfan on January 18, 2006, 04:55:10 pm
Lindsay Books, www.lindsaybks.com sells a book that tells you how to make a small (6 gallon) still and how to make ethanol. be kind of a pain in the ass to fill up, say, my motorhome like that, but hey, if'n it'll get me out of paying $2.50 or more for gas, i'm game.
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: spidey on September 04, 2006, 12:12:36 am
I found this site VERY interesting for flying:

http://www.airhitch.org/
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: wvpeach1963 on September 12, 2006, 02:07:31 pm
malaclypse

   I agree Hubby rides his Harley most days or gets cranky. I tag along on trips often on my Honda Rebel.
We enjoyed traveling this way before the gas prices rose, now we love it.

  Be careful guys about going out of the country right now with tramp ships .

  You may find yourself not being able to get back in.

They will harrass a American traveling in a non conformist way far quicker than they would

 a terroist looking type.
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: rayray on September 24, 2006, 08:02:25 pm
I'm lucky and can fly in, out of, and through, Canada without much hassle and getting across the boarder isn't THAT bad though in 2007 or so, the Passports will be needed.  I'd be very,very concerned with the police or some snitchy traveller or TRUCKER(see your homeland security pamphlets) saying someone by the side of the road is "suspicious."  At that point in time be prepared to be strip searched, well, at least put through hell.  Used to be(so my parents said) you could get most anywhere with a thumb out to the freeway(please no jokes about this :) ), a few bucks for fare, or a car.  I'm not so sure now that I've grown up and experienced first hand a trip across the country and ending up missing by a day, my destination by some over-zealous cops since 2001.  By the way, nothing came of any of it, just our bags out on the shoulder of the road.

Respect,
Ray
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: Dwight_Jokem on May 09, 2007, 01:06:43 am

 I used to pick up hitchhikers sometimes, despite getting very bad vibes from the first one I ever picked up 32 years ago, and other bad experiences (like they smelled rea bad, or promptly threw up in the car, or spilled something). The last time was in early January of 1996, and that was just because there'd been a blizzard the day before.

 I don't feel like I'm as good of a person as I was back when I was more generous with rides and money, but unfortunately I have to look out for Number One more these days.

 Dwight
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: da gooch on May 09, 2007, 11:56:22 am
Ah Yes hitchhiking ....

See this thumb ?
{holds up thumb for inspection ...}

OVER 10,000 miles on it and the tread is like new ....
No...  Really.

Let's see ...
Omaha to Florida
Florida to California via Oklahoma
Florida to California straight through
Florida to Toronto
[lived there for 4 months and then ...]
Toronto to California
Boston to Omaha to California
Miami, FL to Panama City, FL
Fort Lauderdale to Panama City
Short trips too numerous to count within California and Florida

That's the most of them. Did I mention that most of them were done in "Hippie Gear" ?
Hand-me-down clothes [still my preference] full beard w/mustache and long hair. Back pack and sleeping roll. After 1970 a Weimareinner (sp?) dog and for a while with a wife, dog and cat. [Fl to Toronto, Toronto to CA]
REALLY.  [He raises his open palm to the sky and looks you directly in the eye...]
Some "Interesting" happenstances ...
I had a full beer can miss my head by inches in Colorado once.  The Cowboy must have had one too many cause I couldn't catch it in time to save it from bursting all over the ground. Alcohol abuse ?
I also had an older guy [I was twenties he was my age now ... ahem ] drunk "as a Lord" waving a .32 under my nose explaining how HE wasn't afraid of any hitchhikers, etc. It's amazing but "My Stop" was only right down the road. {next stop sign in fact}
Did you ever notice how ammo looks BIGGER from the other end of a firearm ?

Tips ?
Hitching on land;
Travel in pairs [MOST Important for women ESPECIALLY fit attractive women] and carry a sign. When you carry a sign make it readable. LARGE letters short message. WEST I 90 is sufficient. The letters NEED to be at least 6 inches tall. [Just for giggles stop and measure the letters on the average highway sign sometime. And they are sometimes hard to read so ....]
Water supply, space blanket, sleeping bag, food stuffs, think similar to a B O B without the tupperware.
Hitching on a boat;
Most applies except the sign part. In this case it will be word of mouth, referral or note on a message board.
Hitching by air;
I have only had the pleasure once and that was a referral by a friend to her family member. A truly Nifty way to travel.

For all of the above Bring as much "cash" as you can safely stash amongst your possessions.
"Paying one's own way" has not gone out of style nor, I figure, is it likely to any time soon.

I cannot be much help with Foreign countries. The only times I have been in foreign countries I was there courtesy of Unkle Zam  or I was the Captain of a vessel entering their country to provide a sailing experience and not really "traveling".

All of the stuff Arizona Ranger brought up seems good to me and most of it I can attest to as well.

Fare  Well  IF you travel.

g
Title: Re: Alternative Travel Tips : Any Suggestions ?
Post by: PMouserOSU on May 13, 2016, 03:50:17 am
Walking, you dont have to worry about upsetting drivers that way.