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Title: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: Elias Alias on March 18, 2019, 02:28:58 am
This post is simply to inquire about mouse.
mouse, do you have any input about that mass shooting in New Zealand?
Are you being okay over there?
Thanks for your reply mouse.
Salute!
Elias
PS: Something interesting, probably worth watching --  https://youtu.be/jNrsIrWqEoc
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on March 18, 2019, 07:25:35 am
Hi Elias.  Just seen your post.  It's really late here so I'll make it quick and tell you what little I do know.  I will admit that I've been avoiding the news because it is so depressing.  Not so much depressing because so many people were killed and injured, but depressing because the same old clichés seem to have been repeated ad nauseum, clichés that seem to come out after every other terrorist attack that has occurred throughout the world for the past few years.

I have seen very little "hard facts" reported, just a lot of emotional outpouring about "we must fight hate at all costs ("costs" read travel restrictions, "lockdowns" - a term that up until very recently was only every used to refer to prison riots - and travel restrictions) and embrace diversity" (though no one who has said this has explained how "embracing diversity" will prevent people from getting killed).

And of course the inevitable GUN CONTROL threat from every media outlet you look at.  It took about two hours for politicians to start screeching about gun control, "wringing their hands and tearing their hair".  It seems from the manifesto of "the shooter" (as far as I know there is only one "shooter" in custody though obviously there were several) he wanted to "sow division in society" and cause gun control in  (not only) NZ (I get the impression that NZ is only "collateral damage" and what ever happens here is of little consequence) and to get rid of the 2nd amendment in the United States (why someone would stage a shooting here to affect the US, I just can't figure out, but that's what the manifesto said).  Of course NZ politicians and the media world wide seem to have fallen for it "hook, line and sinker" and totally Acquiesced to his goals, (not the anti-2A though of course, but a lot of "media personalities" would do that if they could and have been screeching about it ever since Friday).

My son lives in Christchurch, about 300 yards from the scene of the shooting in Linwood and had been working that day and was cycling back home just after the incident and wondered what all the fuss was about.  He texted me when he found out.  Our youngest grandson was all worried that "daddy might have got shot", but he seems ok now.

One thing that is interesting to remember though is that the writer of this "manifesto" claims to be an "eco-fascist" and does not appear to be "right wing" although the media has described him as "far right".  However, there was a "protest" by school children nearby at the time about global warming, and as the shooting certainly "took the wind out of their sails", that would tend to indicate that he doesn't really care much for "greenism".

I could - should probably - find out more about it and find out how badly things really are gonna change.  I went through "fighting the mandatory gun control threat from the NZ government" that I have found "raises its ugly head" every so often, before in the late 1990s.  At the time, we lived in Wellington and I worked in a computer shop where our customer base was about 80% into firearms, libertarianism, human rights and some of our customers were very clued up and knew the laws about everything.  I spent all my time gathering information, writing letters and talking to politicians.  Finally it was all dropped, the stated reason being "NZ can't afford financially to go down that road".  This time, apparently, "we have better communications, computer databases etc.  And computers make things so much easier".  I was looking at the part of the old files I still have from that time and they may as well have been all written in the 1800s as technology has moved on so much since.

It's times like these when I absolutely despair that we don't even have a constitution, it's really depressing.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on March 18, 2019, 09:18:05 am
My take-away from mass shootings is always that the gun grabbers are complicit. Any rational Muslim in NZ would now organize armed protection for their prayer times, trained and ready to eradicate a shooter the second his intention becomes obvious. And to broadcast that readiness to the world. But to do that, they need guns.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: Elias Alias on March 18, 2019, 10:30:13 am
My take-away from mass shootings is always that the gun grabbers are complicit. Any rational Muslim in NZ would now organize armed protection for their prayer times, trained and ready to eradicate a shooter the second his intention becomes obvious. And to broadcast that readiness to the world. But to do that, they need guns.
Bill, mouse -- I thought NZ was part of the UK?
If so, how is it that NZ citizens can have guns? Or can they?
If they can't have guns, why have a Gun Control special event like this?
Apologies for my ignorance. Maybe y'all can help me learn, yes?
Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mi6a2lm on March 18, 2019, 12:22:48 pm
From the vid, it's a good thing he had thumbhole stocked weapons and not a pistol grip.  Also, no bump-stock thingy.  Being sarcastic here.  Shooter did have a 'Dazzler' on strobe on end of initial gun - never heard of it but it apparently is used by law enforcement.  Vid shows numerous jams during which time someone - anyone could have tackled him.  I know - hindsight and all etc.  Vid is at cr*zyshit.com edit:  don't go there unless have secure browser/adblock etc. plus there's p*rn ads all over - it's a gore/death site
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on March 18, 2019, 05:42:16 pm
My take-away from mass shootings is always that the gun grabbers are complicit. Any rational Muslim in NZ would now organize armed protection for their prayer times, trained and ready to eradicate a shooter the second his intention becomes obvious. And to broadcast that readiness to the world. But to do that, they need guns.
Bill, mouse -- I thought NZ was part of the UK?
If so, how is it that NZ citizens can have guns? Or can they?
If they can't have guns, why have a Gun Control special event like this?
Apologies for my ignorance. Maybe y'all can help me learn, yes?
Salute!
Elias

I thought NZ was part of the UK?   ELIAS, YOU DIDN'T REALLY THINK THAT, DID YOU?

Like a lot of places, America included, NZ is a former colony of UK.  However, in 1907 NZ gained the status of a "dominion", but until 1977 our passports carried the words "British subject" (I cringed every time I looked at that and was glad when it was all changed).  America fought a war to get out from under the thumb of UK  and as a result they are truly a country, unfortunately NZ has always been obsequiously appeasing to UK and "fawned before them" when UK magnanimously "allowed" us to be "independent".   NZ was always considered to be very much a part of UK until 1973 when UK joined the European economic community.  Until then UK had taken most of our exports and it was like we existed solely to provide food for them.  NZ police and other civil servants still swear an oath to "the crown" (presumably UK or her "representative" the NZ parliament).

No, we don't need to be part of UK, nobody does, as UK has turned into a real "sh**hole country" and is the only other country in the world (besides Israel) that has no constitution.

Yeah, at the moment (probably only for a few hours more at this rate) we can have guns.  You just have to have an "arms licence" and have paid a huge amount of money (as a "ransom to get a little bit of your freedom back") to a greedy, parasitic government department.  So far, there is no database of firearms, just a database of people who own them, be it one gun or fifty, the number is not on the database, but that is now under constant fire from politicians who think that support for a "change" will make them popular, and members of the media who are "creaming their pants" at the thought of stealing from and enslaving others.

(You might have picked up that I am kind of bitter about this)
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: securitysix on March 18, 2019, 07:30:21 pm
My take-away from mass shootings is always that the gun grabbers are complicit. Any rational Muslim in NZ would now organize armed protection for their prayer times, trained and ready to eradicate a shooter the second his intention becomes obvious. And to broadcast that readiness to the world. But to do that, they need guns.
Bill, mouse -- I thought NZ was part of the UK?
If so, how is it that NZ citizens can have guns? Or can they?
If they can't have guns, why have a Gun Control special event like this?
Apologies for my ignorance. Maybe y'all can help me learn, yes?
Salute!
Elias

I'm not mouse, but I did use Google once.

The current Wikipedia article on Gun Laws in New Zealand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand#Current_firearms_law

The Internet Archive page for the same: https://web.archive.org/web/20190801000000*/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand

The "Current Laws" sections are pretty much the same, but I wanted to link an archived version because I expect that this section will change soon.

Summary:

1. To legally own a gun, you have to get a license.
2. To get a license, you have to be at least 16 years old and jump through some hoops, including showing "some lawful, proper, and sufficient purpose."
3. Getting a handgun requires a separate endorsement on your license, which requires yet more hoops, and you're generally limited to 12 handguns at a time.
4. They have a "restricted weapons" category that basically exists to allow movies to be made with full auto firearms (blanks only, live fire capable is a no-no).
5. There are endorsements specifically for dealers and employees of dealers (separate endorsements).
6. AR-15s and their ilk have yet another, separate endorsement, in response to a different mass shooting committed in New Zealand in 1990.  I'm fuzzy on whether this allows the purchase of new firearms covered by this category or whether it was just used to "grandfather" the ones that were already out there.

TL;DR: Yes, you can get guns in NZ, but their laws are draconian by US standards.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: slidemansailor on March 18, 2019, 10:01:45 pm
Anomolies all over the place.  Staged show is most likely.  The penalties for possesing or sharing videos or images from the event are immediately punished by prison time.  Smells like last month's fish.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on March 18, 2019, 10:31:12 pm
Yikes, I just found this:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111384083/christchurch-mosque-attacks-kiwis-start-voluntarily-handing-in-semiautomatic-weapons

As the Government promises gun law reforms in the wake of the Christchurch terror attack, some Kiwis have already started voluntarily surrendering their legally-held weapons.

snip

That is just horrible.  I'm amazed at how gullible, even downright silly, people can be.

Sure, just as I thought it would be, headlines squealing and yelling "right wing extremism" - when in fact, the "shooter's manifesto" made out that he was the polar opposite of a "rightwing extremist".  I think I'll go back to watching knitting pattern videos as "news sites" have become even more divorsed from reality, lying and unhinged.

Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on March 20, 2019, 07:08:49 am
Yikes, I just found this:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111384083/christchurch-mosque-attacks-kiwis-start-voluntarily-handing-in-semiautomatic-weapons

As the Government promises gun law reforms in the wake of the Christchurch terror attack, some Kiwis have already started voluntarily surrendering their legally-held weapons.

snip

That is just horrible.  I'm amazed at how gullible, even downright silly, people can be.

Sure, just as I thought it would be, headlines squealing and yelling "right wing extremism" - when in fact, the "shooter's manifesto" made out that he was the polar opposite of a "rightwing extremist".  I think I'll go back to watching knitting pattern videos as "news sites" have become even more divorsed from reality, lying and unhinged.


F  A  K  E            N  E  W  S        A  L  E  R  T!!!!!!!!!!


I really didn't want to discuss this issue any more but it seemed that everyone I saw today had an opinion on it, and wanted to talk about it.  Only one  person talked about "gun control will solve all our problems" - but then I would have expected her to say something along those lines, so I just nodded, made my excuses and hurried on (it made it easy that I had my youngest grandson with who was tugging on my clothes and saying "can we go now?" - and without exception everyone else I talked to said that they wouldn't give up their guns for anything, and when I said "but the news said ......", two people used the words "fake news" and one of them said that 90% of the 'news' we get is 'wishful thinking'" and "if people read about how others have 'surrendered to the beast', and given up their property, and been praised for it, they are far more likely to do that themselves", then he went on about the Holodomor in Ukraine in 1932 and mused "just think how different that might have been if these people had had guns" and when I baited him about semiautomatics he replied "the people must always have access to exactly the same guns that government employees have access to".  After a while I actually sought people out for their opinion, and there was a lot of cynicism about "fake news" from people I  never would have expected to hear that from.

However, having said that, I think when full scale confiscation comes, I can't see many people resisting.  There's not much we can do anyway.  I'd like to think different, but I think, we, at least in NZ, are looking at a major defeat.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on March 20, 2019, 10:36:52 am
However, having said that, I think when full scale confiscation comes, I can't see many people resisting.  There's not much we can do anyway.

There's a lot you can do, with or without guns, but how many will have the balls to do it is another thing.

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If... if... We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward." -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: slidemansailor on March 20, 2019, 08:56:51 pm
Solzhenitsyn is good to quote now ... and every time the deep state wants to disarm us.

The Christchirch Massacre is clearly a staged event - quite different from a false flag that actually took place.  Prime Proof is the HUGE penalties for sharing, storing or referencing actual video footage of what took place.

We can know what did not happen, and that the Deep State operators will shove it down the throats of anyone willing to swallow. 

Don't be.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: Elias Alias on March 21, 2019, 08:36:07 am
Check this, early hours of March 21 2019 --

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-03-20-alert-brighteon-com-video-platform-under-extreme-threat.html#

ALERT: Brighteon.com video platform under extreme threat from internet infrastructure providers, forced to delete all New Zealand shooting videos, essentially “at gunpoint” by the globalist controllers of the ‘net

Quoting -- 

Natural News) This is an emergency alert concerning Brighteon.com, the free speech video platform alternative to YouTube.

I’m writing this at 12:45 am, March 21st. The Brighteon platform is now under extreme threat by upstream infrastructure providers over users posting footage of the New Zealand Christchurch shooting. We are being threatened to remove all the videos or face complete annihilation online, starting with being de-platformed from infrastructure providers, followed by legal action from none other than the nation of Australia (not even New Zealand itself, but Australia and it’s “Office of the eSafety Commissioner.”)


Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: Elias Alias on March 21, 2019, 08:42:04 am
Also note -- This is TMM's channel at Brighteon --  https://www.brighteon.com/channel/eliasalias

I would invite y'all to click that link and click on some of the ten videos there. We need a total of 500 views to graduate to a permission to post more than ten videos. Right now we have only 290 views, total, on the ten videos I posted there last week. Any clicks will be appreciated.

Thanks mucho!
Salute!



Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on March 25, 2019, 08:05:14 am
OK, I've had "my head in the sand" for a one and a half weeks now, mainly because the alternative was far too depressing and I didn't want to have to turn on a radio (I never watch the tv) and be bombarded with the words of a demented, delusional "journalist" shrilly going into a hysterical outburst of emotion about how "we must all embrace peace, love and Islam and ban all guns in civilian hands throughout the world".  We used to have a local "news site" as the "background" on the computer and I was getting tired of turning it on and being faced with images of our embarrassingly naïve and incredibly dumb "prime minister" wearing a hijab, "wringing her hands" with her face contorted in a hideous pleading stance, holding a fawning, submissive pose and repeating trending leftist phrases over and over again.

The silly cow (the "prime minister, that is) has even "offered to pay" - just like she'd be the one paying - for the funerals of the victims.

So I changed it.  The "wall paper" is now a picture of my two youngest grandchildren and the "background" is now the local weather forecast site.  My husband doesn't like it, maybe it was a bit selfish of me, but he hasn't changed it back.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, I was finally ready to face the outside world (although, truthfully, a little bit at a time) and this video does a pretty good job of summing things up.  It is excellent.  I think it is probably too late for NZ to get back any semblance of dignity and reason, because The Quran was recited during New Zealand’s parliament session on Tuesday, and a Muslim imam led prayers in parliament, in what is being sold as a gesture of solidarity with the victims of the shooting, and what gun rights we had are now about to go "down the toilet".

HOWEVER, MY FERVANT HOPE IS THAT ALL AMERICANS "STICK TO THEIR GUNS" WITH GUSTO, DON'T BE FOOLED BY THIS GARBAGE.

Here's the link to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=199&v=6p-_hk_fOEQ

Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: Elias Alias on March 25, 2019, 09:22:26 am
OK, I've had "my head in the sand" for a one and a half weeks now, mainly because the alternative was far too depressing and I didn't want to have to turn on a radio (I never watch the tv) and be bombarded with the words of a demented, delusional "journalist" shrilly going into a hysterical outburst of emotion about how "we must all embrace peace, love and Islam and ban all guns in civilian hands throughout the world".  We used to have a local "news site" as the "background" on the computer and I was getting tired of turning it on and being faced with images of our embarrassingly naïve and incredibly dumb "prime minister" wearing a hijab, "wringing her hands" with her face contorted in a hideous pleading stance, holding a fawning, submissive pose and repeating trending leftist phrases over and over again.

The silly cow (the "prime minister, that is) has even "offered to pay" - just like she'd be the one paying - for the funerals of the victims.

So I changed it.  The "wall paper" is now a picture of my two youngest grandchildren and the "background" is now the local weather forecast site.  My husband doesn't like it, maybe it was a bit selfish of me, but he hasn't changed it back.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, I was finally ready to face the outside world (although, truthfully, a little bit at a time) and this video does a pretty good job of summing things up.  It is excellent.  I think it is probably too late for NZ to get back any semblance of dignity and reason, because The Quran was recited during New Zealand’s parliament session on Tuesday, and a Muslim imam led prayers in parliament, in what is being sold as a gesture of solidarity with the victims of the shooting, and what gun rights we had are now about to go "down the toilet".

HOWEVER, MY FERVANT HOPE IS THAT ALL AMERICANS "STICK TO THEIR GUNS" WITH GUSTO, DON'T BE FOOLED BY THIS GARBAGE.

Here's the link to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=199&v=6p-_hk_fOEQ

Wow! Thank you mouse.
I lament your having to distance yourself from the obvious insanity of your own government officials there.  We are not much better off here, but our "leaders" have more hoops to jump through before they can simply outlaw our guns.
I'm wondering how much effect the generally-world-wide electro-magnetic pollution is having on the common consciousness of mankind. Seems the whole danged world is simply going insane.  --  Somebody shoots up a bunch of people, ergo, we must all become victims and give up our tools for self-defense!

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: Elias Alias on March 25, 2019, 10:31:53 am
Well, I just posted the above reply to mouse, went back to my computer and checked my new channel on Brighteon. That is an alternate platform for posting videos which YouTube prohibits. Brighteon is run by Mike Adams of Natural News. I have posted ten videos there, to protect them against censorship. My ten vids are here --

  https://www.brighteon.com/channel/eliasalias

So while I'm there checking on stats, I see this notice by Mike Adams which was posted about two hours ago. Seems that Brighteon has been forced to pull down several videos of the Christ Church mass-shooting. Guess who has forced this on a web site operator in Texas?

Australia!

Here is Mike Adams explaining this newest Orwelian tyranny, running 47 minutes ---

https://www.brighteon.com/6017345392001

Salute!
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on March 25, 2019, 04:46:24 pm

So while I'm there checking on stats, I see this notice by Mike Adams which was posted about two hours ago. Seems that Brighteon has been forced to pull down several videos of the Christ Church mass-shooting. Guess who has forced this on a web site operator in Texas?

Australia!

Salute!

Really that's just so over-the-top weird.  Australia or NZ doesn't have jurisdiction in America, why are American companies allowing themselves to be pushed around by a handful of crazies in foreign countries?

Seriously, if American companies do not "comply", what is the Australian "Ministry of Truth" (or whoever is behind it) gonna do?  Theorising here, but also "following the money":  The UN (which has everything to gain from this) threatens the Australian government and forces them to threaten US companies, who in turn threaten the web-site owner in Texas????

We certainly had our share of threats by our own government last week.  On the day of the shooting there was a video posted on "facebook" and within hours bureaucrats, politicians and other civil servants were screaming "it is illegal to possess or view this video" and a sentence of 14 years jail was threatened to anyone doing so.  There have already been three people "arrested" for this.

However, I've found that "if you've seen one video on a subject, you've seen them all".  There were plenty of videos about this (probably at Brighteon, then people post things on "GAB") that show these inconsistencies.  You don't need to see something many times to know that it's "fishy", and there seems to be a lot of "fishy" stuff about this.

You are so right that the world has gone crazy.  Radio this morning, the host was talking about the Mueller report into "Russian collusion with Trump during the American election campaign in 2016", then she announced "we have a professor of political studies from Auckland university to talk on this subject now".  A fellow gets on and immediately says in a strong American accent that he is a democrat to "declare my interest", then proceeds to go on about how "we know that Donald Trump is guilty and nobody can trust the AG coz he works for Trump".  I thought "surely it wouldn't have been too hard to find someone unbiased to comment on the matter".  Thank goodness I don't rely on him for news of "the great Russia collusion witchhunt".

So just go to GAB, here's the link:  https://gab.com/
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: slidemansailor on March 25, 2019, 07:45:56 pm
Also note -- This is TMM's channel at Brighteon --  https://www.brighteon.com/channel/eliasalias

I would invite y'all to click that link and click on some of the ten videos there. We need a total of 500 views to graduate to a permission to post more than ten videos. Right now we have only 290 views, total, on the ten videos I posted there last week. Any clicks will be appreciated.

Thanks mucho!
Salute!

This is really low-rent activism. If you have not yet gone there, GO THERE. 

We have to wrest the Internet from The Controllers.  Do your part.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: slidemansailor on March 25, 2019, 07:48:44 pm
I have seen plenty of expose's on this staged event. The official mythology holds no water.

I am reminded, however, of the numerous articles that the elites have retreats in New Zealand. Well, heck-yeah they gotta get rid of intelligent, dangerous populations therein before ownership transfer can be complete.

Heckuva package.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: Bill St. Clair on March 26, 2019, 11:11:30 pm
HOWEVER, MY FERVANT HOPE IS THAT ALL AMERICANS "STICK TO THEIR GUNS" WITH GUSTO, DON'T BE FOOLED BY THIS GARBAGE.

Molon Labe!
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: jamie on March 27, 2019, 03:52:22 pm
HOWEVER, MY FERVANT HOPE IS THAT ALL AMERICANS "STICK TO THEIR GUNS" WITH GUSTO, DON'T BE FOOLED BY THIS GARBAGE.

Molon Labe!

No other choice.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on March 27, 2019, 04:54:11 pm
One of the first things someone said to me after the "Christchurch shooting" was "this will be used to promote internet censorship", and sure enough:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111575101/web-blocks-over-christchurch-attack-remain-after-government-intervention

New Zealand's largest internet providers have reversed plans to stop blocking websites which hosted videos of the Christchurch terror attack, after a last-minute intervention by the Government.
In the wake of the mosque shootings, a number of New Zealand's biggest ISPs took what they themselves acknowledged was an "unprecedented step" - blocking websites which were hosting a video of the attack live-streamed by the alleged murderer, as well as his manifesto.

snip

The whole point of the article (a bit further down the page in the article):  WHAT IS CLEAR IS THAT THE DEBATE HOW TO CENSOR OFFENSIVE MATERIAL ONLINE IS JUST BEHINNING!!!!
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I was just listening to a "debate" (well it was more of a statement than a debate) on the radio about internet censorship, how we "must get rid of, or heavily censor, the comments section" of local newssites because they are rife with "hateful speech and incitements to violence".  You know I've been reading the "comments" on articles for years and I certainly haven't seen any "hateful speech" or "incitements to violence".  One some oversees "comment sections" you might see comments using profanity and obscenities for every second word and people calling others "names" but I've never seen any "hateful speech or incitements to violence", and never on local sites.

Some people will not be happy until we have all turned into "North Korea".
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on March 27, 2019, 05:06:29 pm
Looks like the entire world has turned into obsequious little wimps blindly following the UN agenda.

My immediate question:  WHAT in future will be defined as "dangerous ideologies"?  This is really scary, these people just don't know what they're doing.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111603621/austria-considers-dissolving-farright-group-amid-christchurch-shooting-link-probe

Martin Sellner, head of the Identitarian Movement of Austria, says police searched his apartment on Monday and seized electronic devices after he received a "disproportionately high donation" from a person with same surname as the suspected Christchurch shooter who killed 50 in two attacks on mosques.
"We can now confirm that there was financial support and so a link between the [suspected] New Zealand attacker and the Identitarian Movement in Austria," Chancellor Sebastian Kurz told reporters on Wednesday in Vienna.

snip
The Austria Press Agency reported that Kurz said after a Cabinet meeting Wednesday there can be "NO TOLENANCE FOR DANGEROUS IDEOLOGIES, wherever they come from." He added that Austria will apply the "full force of the law."

SNIP
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: jamie on March 28, 2019, 12:36:14 am
why is the Anglo-American  world so bent on suicide? 
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: FDD on March 28, 2019, 05:37:32 am
No dangerous ideologies, guess Islam does not fit
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on March 28, 2019, 07:08:53 am
why is the Anglo-American  world so bent on suicide?

I realise that's a rhetorical question, but I'll answer it (or actually not answer it) anyway.

I just don't know why.  I have tried to figure it out for ages.  I can't even come up with any outlandish theories.  I get the definite impression that a majority of people in the Anglo-American world "have their eyes open" and see things for what they really are, but they just won't even say anything about it because they consider it to be not that important.  And they're so afraid of appearing non-politically correct, "racist", "homophobic" (or any of the definitions of "deplorable") and want to be seen as "kind and compassionate".  Especially the "celebrities", imagine what it would do to their "image" if the public viewed them as not caring about fascism, racism, homophobia etc.

These people are even willing to see their own children murdered, threatened, mutilated or mentally scarred for life rather than themselves be seen as "racist" or "homophobic".

The world has gone absolutely crazy.  I often wonder why people who do or say these dumb things are not embarrassed.  Why (say) Kathy Griffin can appear on a video for all the world to see, talking about "going after Baron Trump", knowing that a lot of people are wondering about the mentality of a middle aged woman fantacising about hurting an 11 year old child.  Why isn't she - and she's sure not the only one - so embarrassed by that that she never shows her face in public again?

Why weren't the people who were shown on video harassing Tucker Carlson at restaurant, embarrassed?   (They may not have been identified, but if you knew the person you would sure recognise him/her.  Just another example, there are so many.

But as for the West "embracing Islam and Muslims with open arms" to their own detriment, and being obsessed with the "wrongs of the past" (only the "wrongs" committed by white males of course) I just don't get it.  99.9% of them can't genuinely feel that way (unless of course, decades of "dumbing down education" has taken its toll).  So it must be all about image.

I guess maybe I'm just too shallow.  Anyone else got any more logical answers?
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: jamie on March 28, 2019, 10:04:47 pm
You aren't shallow.  The only answer I have is that pure psychopathic evil has gotten in power and people that have a soul and a conscience can't see it for what it is.

This video is about Finland but the same thing is happening all over the western world. About 7 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nuj9OE_ykHY&w=676&h=381

Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: jamie on March 29, 2019, 07:10:35 pm
the title of the above video


KETUTUS — A story of being seriously pissed off
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: slidemansailor on March 31, 2019, 08:45:23 pm
The answer is in the media.

If you are seeing more of the insane side than the sane, your media is driving you crazy.

We outnumber them. Only a distorted media would make it appear otherwise.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on April 01, 2019, 06:42:07 am
Quote from: slidemansailor link=topic=36598.msg459662#msg459662 date=1554

We outnumber them. Only a distorted media would make it appear otherwise.
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If we outnumber them then why does the world appear to be going crazy?  Why does no one ever seem to be to account for anything?  Why are we seeing "celebrities" screaming obscenities at people, stalking them and continuing to be "celebrities"?  Why are we seeing "journalists" from the CNN or any of the other mainstream media telling blatant lies to the public, and continue to do that day after day, simply making silly comments if asked to explain themselves and claiming ridiculous scenarios to justify what they have been doing?  Why do we see politicians fawning over Islam, making "legislation" to disarm us so that we can't even defend ourselves, and not even being questioned?

If "we" did truly outnumber "them", then why do we accept substances that we have no idea what they are made up of, being forced into our childrens' bloodstreams?  Why do we stand back while our children are indoctrinated into the "gay agenda" and taught that the most important things in the world are "gender fluidity", Islam (hardly congruous with "gender fluidity" or "the gay agenda") and battling "catastrophic man-made global warming"?

OK so we might "win in the end" but how much more damage is gonna be done before we do?

(Not blaming you of course slidemansailor, just using your post to hold up my soapbox)
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on April 02, 2019, 07:38:01 am
I've been reading about the "crackdown on hate speech" in UK, European countries and then America, for many years now and I realised that it was only a matter of time before NZ "caught up".  I was warned in the 1990s that, NZ, having a relatively small population, was to be "used as guinea pig by the UN for all sorts of dystopian ideas".  I was told that this was inevitable and there was not much we could do about it, but wait until these things were "on the horizon" and then try to fight them.  This was just before "the great "ID card masquerading as a driving licence" scam was launched on us.  There was only a small group of people who battled it every day until it was sneakily imposed, and our warnings to the rest of the population fell on "deaf ears".  We did manage to gain one concession though, at the time (1998/99) it was promised that the "drivers database" would never be used for anything that wasn't to do with traffic.  I was horrified to find out that in other places - America, parts of Europe (maybe more but I have no knowledge of that) the database is open to "any law enforcement agency who wants to use it" and is often shared between various government agencies.  I used to write regularly to "the transport department" (they keep changing the name) to get it in writing that the database was still to be kept private.  However, last year the answer was suddenly "people can share this database and the images when and as they want to".  So I guess even that will be changing soon.

Getting away from the point I'm afraid.  Anyway, it looks like those who have been claiming that "the Christchurch shooting is to be used to crackdown on free speech" are absolutely right, hence:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/385955/little-plans-fast-track-review-of-hate-speech-laws

And not only that but the definition of "hate speech" that I've seen is so broad that maybe calling the "prime minister" - a woman - DUMB AS A PLANK, might be considered "hate speech"

https://thestandard.org.nz/dumb-as-a-plank/
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Post by: jamie on April 03, 2019, 06:33:36 pm
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12217785

 Gang members will not be handing in their guns following the law reform announced by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, a Mongrel Mob leader has said.

Sonny Fatu, president of the Waikato branch of the Mongrel Mob, said that, while some members of the gang may have illegal guns, they will not be handing them in as they are necessary to their protection.

"Will gangs get rid of their weapons? No. Because of who we are, we can't guarantee our own safety," he told Stuff.

He admitted many of the gang's estimated 1000 associates hold illegal firearms but says they should be trusted not to harm innocent people.
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Post by: mouse on April 03, 2019, 10:54:27 pm
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12217785

 Gang members will not be handing in their guns following the law reform announced by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, a Mongrel Mob leader has said.

Sonny Fatu, president of the Waikato branch of the Mongrel Mob, said that, while some members of the gang may have illegal guns, they will not be handing them in as they are necessary to their protection.

"Will gangs get rid of their weapons? No. Because of who we are, we can't guarantee our own safety," he told Stuff.

He admitted many of the gang's estimated 1000 associates hold illegal firearms but says they should be trusted not to harm innocent people.

Yet just the opposite was recently claimed, "a government spokesperson saying":  "Gangs are on our side".  Fake news everywhere.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: jamie on April 03, 2019, 11:07:57 pm
the Rand Corporation explains, “Truth Decay is defined as a set of four related trends: increasing disagreement about facts and analytical interpretations of facts and data; a blurring of the line between opinion and fact; an increase in the relative volume, and resulting influence, of opinion and personal experience over fact; and declining trust in formerly respected sources of factual information.”
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: Tahn L. on April 04, 2019, 09:10:04 pm
the Rand Corporation explains, “Truth Decay is defined as a set of four related trends: increasing disagreement about facts and analytical interpretations of facts and data; a blurring of the line between opinion and fact; an increase in the relative volume, and resulting influence, of opinion and personal experience over fact; and declining trust in formerly respected sources of factual information.”

Thanks jamie, that is interesting. Sounds like a major outbreak of ipse dixit, which can be very contagious.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: mouse on April 05, 2019, 06:30:41 am
the Rand Corporation explains, “Truth Decay is defined as a set of four related trends: increasing disagreement about facts and analytical interpretations of facts and data; a blurring of the line between opinion and fact; an increase in the relative volume, and resulting influence, of opinion and personal experience over fact; and declining trust in formerly respected sources of factual information.”

And a large proportion of wishful thinking.  The belief that if you really, really want something to have been a certain way, then it will magically turn into having been that way all along.

This is a common belief among just about all media institutions throughout the world.
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Post by: slidemansailor on April 05, 2019, 09:35:24 pm
I will quote the tail end of an article I posted:

Because there are also about 150M gun owners. Most of whom, proving Hemingway’s maxim, don’t have hunting licenses, because “those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.”

“They’re coming to take your guns” won’t work, as has only been noted about a thousand times by anyone who could pass fourth grade mathematics before Common Core.

That doesn’t mean they won’t try; it just means the outcome would unravel things in about an hour, and the next election after that would find the entire Congress solid [R], if not all hardcore freedomistas rather than the usual squishy hacks, there being few surviving [D]s to run at all.

Because most of the country, like most people who read and post here, have two settings:
1) Vote
2) Fuck it, kill every last one of them.

We move to #2 slowly, but it’s nigh irrevocable once it happens, and unstoppable until we run out of targets. Which will happen long before we run out of ammunition.

This will not be the Alamo x 1000.
It will be Little Big Horn.
And this time, we get to be the Indians.

The whole thing with links to sources:
https://www.bitterrootbugle.com/2019/04/01/the-z-man/ (https://www.bitterrootbugle.com/2019/04/01/the-z-man/)

The main point is that we outnumber them and outgun them too. 
The media and dis-education institutions are controlling the controllable, but the vast majority are quite sick of it and getting more and more ready for the TEOTWAKI show to begin. The snowflakes will melt quite quickly.

Left standing will be those built to stand for something rather than falling for anything.
Title: Re: NZ Mass Shooting _ What Say Ye mouse?
Post by: jamie on April 05, 2019, 11:40:41 pm
  Looks like we are going to find out where it is going within the next decade or sooner.