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Title: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Splash22 on June 25, 2016, 07:24:36 am
........stop helping them!
Acknowledge you know the the police are behind you. Continue driving to a public place. Record the entire encounter.
Do not answer questions, do not ever agree you were speeding, do not produce Liscence, Registration or Insurance UNTIL you ask the officer.."Can producing these documents be used against me?"

By surrendering/complying with illegal requests, you are helping waive your 4th and 5th A rights.
The job of the police is to get you to unwittingly DO just that.
~S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHyUbMGz004&list=TLY3DtYjEyfM8yNDA2MjAxNg
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Cherokee on June 25, 2016, 12:55:53 pm
I understand this completely. I agree with it. I just don't think most people can think quickly enough to pull this off without a mistake, which can only make things worse.

I conceal carry and the state statutes say I have to notify the officer immediately and produce my permit and I.D. Yes, yes, I know it is not constitutional, but let's say I attempt to cover my rear with all the constitutional clarifications and I somehow slip and waive my rights, or the LEO just ignores them, and the court does too,...I am opening myself to even more trouble by carrying and not complying.

So do I suck up a traffic ticket, or risk having weapons charges brought against me?

If I had the confidence in my ability to assert my rights adequately, I would definitely do that. Actually, I have done that, when not carrying. I was not driving either, but I was asked for identification, and I declined, telling the officer, "no thanks, but I appreciate the offer." Another time, a detective asked me to meet with him and write an affidavit. I told him the exact same thing. It worked, and I was left alone.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 25, 2016, 01:36:52 pm
I'm very sure this is a problem in a lot of places, and it depends a lot on one's age, race and "gender," but I've simply never experienced anything like this. I had a single "ticket" - driving a little too fast on a deserted desert road back in the good old "55" days. Paid it and forgot it. Later, I drove 300 to 400 miles a DAY for 14 years, all over southern Calif. and never even got "pulled over." No "accidents," no contact with police on the roadways. And I was no goody two-shoes about obeying the idiot "laws" either. No idea....

The "police" here where I live simply are not like that. In 10 years, I've seen exactly four cars/trucks "pulled over," and was a passenger two other times, both in South Dakota. A "warning" about excess speed in town was the only result both of those times... and the driver and I were both open carrying. No mention made of the guns, period.

So, I'd suggest folks not get too paranoid about this and evaluate their own situation and area carefully before making waves.  Just my two cents worth.

Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: FDD on June 25, 2016, 01:38:47 pm
When I was in Ill, the state says that I have to state my name when pulled over by a LEO.
but I do not have to show the LEO anything until ask for it.
So I do not even undue the seatbelt until asked for the DL.
after that it is yes or no answers.
if asked to search the vehicle, it is always no.
I know they can do a "Terry" search of the inside were I was sitting, but anywhere else needs a warrant to look.
did not have to worry about the CC in ILL, because Ill did not have it then.

but if you tell them no, you can sure bet they will hold you longer while they try and think up some to use on you anyway.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 25, 2016, 01:51:23 pm
I know they can do a "Terry" search of the inside were I was sitting, but anywhere else needs a warrant to look.
did not have to worry about the CC in ILL, because Ill did not have it then.

but if you tell them no, you can sure bet they will hold you longer while they try and think up some to use on you anyway.

And other stuff... 
Do you have a copy of "You and the Police" by Boston T Party?  http://javelinpress.com/you_and_the_police.html

ABOUT YOU AND THE POLICE!

Until now, the average American has lacked a simple, up-to-date summary of constitutional law regarding confrontations with the police. More and more peaceable, law-abiding folks are being caught up in the widening police dragnet of roadblocks, checkpoints,  searches, intrusive questioning  and civil forfeitures.  Americans have long needed a clear explanation of exactly where our rights end and executive power begins, especially if you travel or carry a gun.

More than a legal handbook, You & The Police! explains precisely how to win police confrontations using: sample dialogue, "what-if" scenarios, and practical tips. Armed  with this book, you will know just how to avoid traffic tickets, bogus searches, roadside delays, and general harassment. Probably 90% of erroneous civil  forfeitures from honest folks could have been avoided had they known about this  book. There is no reason for us to be bluffed or intimidated by the police any longer.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: FDD on June 25, 2016, 02:33:50 pm
I know they can do a "Terry" search of the inside were I was sitting, but anywhere else needs a warrant to look.
did not have to worry about the CC in ILL, because Ill did not have it then.

but if you tell them no, you can sure bet they will hold you longer while they try and think up some to use on you anyway.

And other stuff... 
Do you have a copy of "You and the Police" by Boston T Party?  http://javelinpress.com/you_and_the_police.html

ABOUT YOU AND THE POLICE!

Until now, the average American has lacked a simple, up-to-date summary of constitutional law regarding confrontations with the police. More and more peaceable, law-abiding folks are being caught up in the widening police dragnet of roadblocks, checkpoints,  searches, intrusive questioning  and civil forfeitures.  Americans have long needed a clear explanation of exactly where our rights end and executive power begins, especially if you travel or carry a gun.

More than a legal handbook, You & The Police! explains precisely how to win police confrontations using: sample dialogue, "what-if" scenarios, and practical tips. Armed  with this book, you will know just how to avoid traffic tickets, bogus searches, roadside delays, and general harassment. Probably 90% of erroneous civil  forfeitures from honest folks could have been avoided had they known about this  book. There is no reason for us to be bluffed or intimidated by the police any longer.

Yes, a very good book, very helpful
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Freeman13 on June 25, 2016, 03:15:59 pm
All I know is that if you don't use your rights then you will lose your rights period.  You may be able to go along to get along now but one day nothing you do to go along will enable you to get along.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Who...me? on June 25, 2016, 04:12:01 pm
Got pulled over just the other day.  Before we got very far into it he realized he had pulled over the wrong red truck.  He apologized and that was that.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: FDD on June 25, 2016, 04:16:01 pm
Got pulled over just the other day.  Before we got very far into it he realized he had pulled over the wrong red truck.  He apologized and that was that.

haha, so now they are pulling over people base on the color of the vehicle, not the Lic plate.

good luck with that.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Who...me? on June 25, 2016, 04:19:17 pm
lol well the reason he gave was he was going in the opposite direction as me and the guy with an alleged  bad inspection sticker who was also driving a red truck.  I did see the cop driving the other way.  Apparently when the cop turned around he got confused and pulled over the wrong red truck.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: DiabloLoco on June 25, 2016, 04:58:18 pm
lol well the reason he gave was he was going in the opposite direction as me and the guy with an alleged  bad inspection sticker who was also driving a red truck.  I did see the cop driving the other way.  Apparently when the cop turned around he got confused and pulled over the wrong red truck.
Well....Kudos to the other guy! :laugh: He got away with not having to pay tribute for not adhering to some BS regulation.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 25, 2016, 04:58:40 pm
an alleged  bad inspection sticker

Ye gads and little fishes. Thank goodness our benevolent masters don't (yet) impose this nonsense here. sigh And, somehow, we don't have any dangerous, massive vehicle failures. Sort of like the anti-gun folks can't believe that blood won't be running down the streets without their "control." Ignoring the fact that it never has where that "control" is mostly or completely absent.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: FDD on June 25, 2016, 06:02:10 pm
HAHA 

yea, in Ill, you had to get a vehicle sticker each year, as well as get it inspected each year too, got to keep the greenes happy.
Oh and you need a sticker from what ever town/city you were living in too, for each vehicle you owned.

the state said that you could not have any vehicle unlicensed for more than a year, or it could be towed off your property and scraped.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Splash22 on June 26, 2016, 01:12:10 pm
I know they can do a "Terry" search of the inside were I was sitting, but anywhere else needs a warrant to look.
did not have to worry about the CC in ILL, because Ill did not have it then.

but if you tell them no, you can sure bet they will hold you longer while they try and think up some to use on you anyway.

And other stuff... 
Do you have a copy of "You and the Police" by Boston T Party?  http://javelinpress.com/you_and_the_police.html

ABOUT YOU AND THE POLICE!

Until now, the average American has lacked a simple, up-to-date summary of constitutional law regarding confrontations with the police. More and more peaceable, law-abiding folks are being caught up in the widening police dragnet of roadblocks, checkpoints,  searches, intrusive questioning  and civil forfeitures.  Americans have long needed a clear explanation of exactly where our rights end and executive power begins, especially if you travel or carry a gun.

More than a legal handbook, You & The Police! explains precisely how to win police confrontations using: sample dialogue, "what-if" scenarios, and practical tips. Armed  with this book, you will know just how to avoid traffic tickets, bogus searches, roadside delays, and general harassment. Probably 90% of erroneous civil  forfeitures from honest folks could have been avoided had they known about this  book. There is no reason for us to be bluffed or intimidated by the police any longer.
Incorrect .
 A Terry Stop is not applicable in the situation you described.
A terry stop, includes what used to be called "in hot pursuit"...during the suspicion of a crime. Driving erratically, leaving the scene of an accident, tearing away from a bank that's just been robbed.
 Sitting in your car does not grant a terry stop by police.

"A "Terry Stop" is a stop of a person by law enforcement officers based upon "reasonable suspicion" that a person may have been engaged in criminal activity, whereas an arrest requires "probable cause" that a suspect committed a criminal offense. The name comes from the standards established in a 1968 case, Terry v. Ohio."
http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terry-stop/
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: FDD on June 26, 2016, 01:42:37 pm
I know they can do a "Terry" search of the inside were I was sitting, but anywhere else needs a warrant to look.
did not have to worry about the CC in ILL, because Ill did not have it then.

but if you tell them no, you can sure bet they will hold you longer while they try and think up some to use on you anyway.

And other stuff... 
Do you have a copy of "You and the Police" by Boston T Party?  http://javelinpress.com/you_and_the_police.html

ABOUT YOU AND THE POLICE!

Until now, the average American has lacked a simple, up-to-date summary of constitutional law regarding confrontations with the police. More and more peaceable, law-abiding folks are being caught up in the widening police dragnet of roadblocks, checkpoints,  searches, intrusive questioning  and civil forfeitures.  Americans have long needed a clear explanation of exactly where our rights end and executive power begins, especially if you travel or carry a gun.

More than a legal handbook, You & The Police! explains precisely how to win police confrontations using: sample dialogue, "what-if" scenarios, and practical tips. Armed  with this book, you will know just how to avoid traffic tickets, bogus searches, roadside delays, and general harassment. Probably 90% of erroneous civil  forfeitures from honest folks could have been avoided had they known about this  book. There is no reason for us to be bluffed or intimidated by the police any longer.
Incorrect .
 A Terry Stop is not applicable in the situation you described.
A terry stop, includes what used to be called "in hot pursuit"...during the suspicion of a crime. Driving erratically, leaving the scene of an accident, tearing away from a bank that's just been robbed.
 Sitting in your car does not grant a terry stop by police.

"A "Terry Stop" is a stop of a person by law enforcement officers based upon "reasonable suspicion" that a person may have been engaged in criminal activity, whereas an arrest requires "probable cause" that a suspect committed a criminal offense. The name comes from the standards established in a 1968 case, Terry v. Ohio."
http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terry-stop/

And the probable cause can be that the LEO smells something funny from your car, while it does or not, it is a judgement call for the LEO to make.
And it can be made at anytime the LEO wants, when he/she has you pulled over.

but the LEO still needs a Warrant to search any place that is locked.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Bill St. Clair on June 26, 2016, 04:36:13 pm
And the probable cause can be that the LEO smells something funny from your car, while it does or not, it is a judgement call for the LEO to make.
And it can be made at anytime the LEO wants, when he/she has you pulled over.

but the LEO still needs a Warrant to search any place that is locked.

When you're sitting in a court room, wearing a wig and a black dress, it's easy to convince yourself that "probable cause" and "reasonable suspicion" actually mean something. A cop hot for an arrest can invent any of that out of whole cloth. Or convince his dog to "signal". Or convince a judge to issue a no-knock search warrant on the word of a know felon, and then raid the wrong address.

The Fourth Amendment is toast.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: FDD on June 26, 2016, 05:43:57 pm
And the probable cause can be that the LEO smells something funny from your car, while it does or not, it is a judgement call for the LEO to make.
And it can be made at anytime the LEO wants, when he/she has you pulled over.

but the LEO still needs a Warrant to search any place that is locked.

When you're sitting in a court room, wearing a wig and a black dress, it's easy to convince yourself that "probable cause" and "reasonable suspicion" actually mean something. A cop hot for an arrest can invent any of that out of whole cloth. Or convince his dog to "signal". Or convince a judge to issue a no-knock search warrant on the word of a know felon, and then raid the wrong address.

The Fourth Amendment is toast.

agree

best to not get pulled over in the first place.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 26, 2016, 09:15:35 pm
Guys, you DO know that Utah just made sure we don't need probable cause anymore, right?  Probably a week or so ago...  If I remember to dig up the article I read at armstrongeconomics blog side, I'll reply with a link too.  Just wait for all the other states to follow suit.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Klapton Isgod on June 26, 2016, 10:08:38 pm
SCOTUS also recently ruled that evidence collected by illegal searches is now admissible.  So, it's fishing season year round now.

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Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 27, 2016, 10:54:24 am
SCOTUS also recently ruled that evidence collected by illegal searches is now admissible.  So, it's fishing season year round now.

.

Oh that's right, that's the one where Sotomayor dissented (surprising, since she was an Obama appointee.)
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 27, 2016, 11:17:17 am
Oh that's right, that's the one where Sotomayor dissented (surprising, since she was an Obama appointee.)

Stopped clock and all that. :)

Actually, I've been trying to think of something in my life (at least in the last ten years) that was radically changed by any "supreme court" decision. Not coming up with anything so far...  Anybody else?
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: FDD on June 27, 2016, 02:09:34 pm
Oh that's right, that's the one where Sotomayor dissented (surprising, since she was an Obama appointee.)

Stopped clock and all that. :)

Actually, I've been trying to think of something in my life (at least in the last ten years) that was radically changed by any "supreme court" decision. Not coming up with anything so far...  Anybody else?

Just the one were slick willie got passed, about an order of protection and losing your right to own guns. no matter where you live or who filed it against you.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 27, 2016, 02:36:16 pm
Just the one were slick willie got passed, about an order of protection and losing your right to own guns. no matter where you live or who filed it against you.

Did that happen to you? If so, then bummer.

Never had an "order of protection" myself - either coming or going.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: FDD on June 27, 2016, 03:26:13 pm
Just the one were slick willie got passed, about an order of protection and losing your right to own guns. no matter where you live or who filed it against you.

Did that happen to you? If so, then bummer.

Never had an "order of protection" myself - either coming or going.

It did, took over a year to get straiten out. I did it, but changed my outlook on the police. all police.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 27, 2016, 03:41:56 pm
It did, took over a year to get straiten out. I did it, but changed my outlook on the police. all police.

Eee gads. You were lucky, I think.

My outlook on cops in general was seriously warped after several years working with them in the town's emergency center, and in the community emergency committee I was part of through the 70s and 80s. Arrogant bastards, almost without exception.... But back then they were pretty much restrained from the crap going on today.  The sheriff's deputies were much better then, but I am aware now that the San Bernardino sheriff's office is pretty much corrupt and no better than the infamous "Rampart" division of the LAPD.  Anyway, I was never tempted to go to them when my first husband became abusive. I just left and never looked back. He knew I was armed (however inadequately) and never tried to harass me.

Luckily, the sheriff here, and his merry band, are peace officers instead.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Splash22 on June 27, 2016, 05:31:01 pm
I know they can do a "Terry" search of the inside were I was sitting, but anywhere else needs a warrant to look.
did not have to worry about the CC in ILL, because Ill did not have it then.

but if you tell them no, you can sure bet they will hold you longer while they try and think up some to use on you anyway.

And other stuff... 
Do you have a copy of "You and the Police" by Boston T Party?  http://javelinpress.com/you_and_the_police.html

ABOUT YOU AND THE POLICE!

Until now, the average American has lacked a simple, up-to-date summary of constitutional law regarding confrontations with the police. More and more peaceable, law-abiding folks are being caught up in the widening police dragnet of roadblocks, checkpoints,  searches, intrusive questioning  and civil forfeitures.  Americans have long needed a clear explanation of exactly where our rights end and executive power begins, especially if you travel or carry a gun.

More than a legal handbook, You & The Police! explains precisely how to win police confrontations using: sample dialogue, "what-if" scenarios, and practical tips. Armed  with this book, you will know just how to avoid traffic tickets, bogus searches, roadside delays, and general harassment. Probably 90% of erroneous civil  forfeitures from honest folks could have been avoided had they known about this  book. There is no reason for us to be bluffed or intimidated by the police any longer.
Incorrect .
 A Terry Stop is not applicable in the situation you described.
A terry stop, includes what used to be called "in hot pursuit"...during the suspicion of a crime. Driving erratically, leaving the scene of an accident, tearing away from a bank that's just been robbed.
 Sitting in your car does not grant a terry stop by police.

"A "Terry Stop" is a stop of a person by law enforcement officers based upon "reasonable suspicion" that a person may have been engaged in criminal activity, whereas an arrest requires "probable cause" that a suspect committed a criminal offense. The name comes from the standards established in a 1968 case, Terry v. Ohio."
http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terry-stop/

And the probable cause can be that the LEO smells something funny from your car, while it does or not, it is a judgement call for the LEO to make.
And it can be made at anytime the LEO wants, when he/she has you pulled over.

but the LEO still needs a Warrant to search any place that is locked.

Uh...no...unless the cop has a super bionic dog nose to smell your car interior while you're driving past him?
A terry stop means suspicion of a crime is happening before he stops you.
Reasonable suspicion means he isn't sure.
suspicion=suspects.
He must state what  alleged offence is his pulling you over for.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: FDD on June 27, 2016, 05:37:02 pm
I know they can do a "Terry" search of the inside were I was sitting, but anywhere else needs a warrant to look.
did not have to worry about the CC in ILL, because Ill did not have it then.

but if you tell them no, you can sure bet they will hold you longer while they try and think up some to use on you anyway.

And other stuff... 
Do you have a copy of "You and the Police" by Boston T Party?  http://javelinpress.com/you_and_the_police.html

ABOUT YOU AND THE POLICE!

Until now, the average American has lacked a simple, up-to-date summary of constitutional law regarding confrontations with the police. More and more peaceable, law-abiding folks are being caught up in the widening police dragnet of roadblocks, checkpoints,  searches, intrusive questioning  and civil forfeitures.  Americans have long needed a clear explanation of exactly where our rights end and executive power begins, especially if you travel or carry a gun.

More than a legal handbook, You & The Police! explains precisely how to win police confrontations using: sample dialogue, "what-if" scenarios, and practical tips. Armed  with this book, you will know just how to avoid traffic tickets, bogus searches, roadside delays, and general harassment. Probably 90% of erroneous civil  forfeitures from honest folks could have been avoided had they known about this  book. There is no reason for us to be bluffed or intimidated by the police any longer.
Incorrect .
 A Terry Stop is not applicable in the situation you described.
A terry stop, includes what used to be called "in hot pursuit"...during the suspicion of a crime. Driving erratically, leaving the scene of an accident, tearing away from a bank that's just been robbed.
 Sitting in your car does not grant a terry stop by police.

"A "Terry Stop" is a stop of a person by law enforcement officers based upon "reasonable suspicion" that a person may have been engaged in criminal activity, whereas an arrest requires "probable cause" that a suspect committed a criminal offense. The name comes from the standards established in a 1968 case, Terry v. Ohio."
http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terry-stop/

And the probable cause can be that the LEO smells something funny from your car, while it does or not, it is a judgement call for the LEO to make.
And it can be made at anytime the LEO wants, when he/she has you pulled over.

but the LEO still needs a Warrant to search any place that is locked.

Uh...no...unless the cop has a super bionic dog nose to smell your car interior while you're driving past him?
A terry stop means suspicion of a crime is happening before he stops you.
Reasonable suspicion means he isn't sure.
suspicion=suspects.
He must state what  alleged offence is his pulling you over for.

The cop has pulled you over because of speeding, or broken tail light, or no sticker on the LP.
that is the crime for the stop, then when you roll down your window to ask for your papers, he/she claims they smelled something funny from your car.
and that is then when they do the Terry search of the car, but only were you are seated in the car and were you can reach within the car.

anyway, when did the police breaking the rules ever stopped them from doing anything?
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 27, 2016, 08:19:32 pm
Oh that's right, that's the one where Sotomayor dissented (surprising, since she was an Obama appointee.)

Stopped clock and all that. :)

Actually, I've been trying to think of something in my life (at least in the last ten years) that was radically changed by any "supreme court" decision. Not coming up with anything so far...  Anybody else?

You forget that these guys write "dissenting opinion."  Hers was astounding.  Stopped clock my ass.  She called it what it is, you should look it up.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: knobster on December 15, 2016, 06:47:56 am
Got pulled over the other night.  Going 45 in a 35.  Shame on me I guess...

Police officer was courteous, I responded in kind.  Produced the paperwork upon request.  He went back to his car and ran my name against their Big Brother Database, came back a minute later, gave me a warning and then we talked about deer hunting for ten minutes.

I could have raised a big stink, got my panties in a wad and been hostile about the whole situation but then I'd probably either be in a courtroom or hospital bed right now.  Instead, I learned that Officer Allen is married with kids, enjoys bow-hunting and took a 6-point buck last month.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: FDD on December 15, 2016, 06:53:23 am
Got pulled over the other night.  Going 45 in a 35.  Shame on me I guess...

Police officer was courteous, I responded in kind.  Produced the paperwork upon request.  He went back to his car and ran my name against their Big Brother Database, came back a minute later, gave me a warning and then we talked about deer hunting for ten minutes.

I could have raised a big stink, got my panties in a wad and been hostile about the whole situation but then I'd probably either be in a courtroom or hospital bed right now.  Instead, I learned that Officer Allen is married with kids, enjoys bow-hunting and took a 6-point buck last month.

Not all LEO's are bad or stupid, but the number of good one to bad is very very low.
like .0001%  of the whole. be thankful you had a nice one.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: MamaLiberty on December 15, 2016, 07:27:46 am
I could have raised a big stink, got my panties in a wad and been hostile about the whole situation

Why would anyone want to act like that, especially in a no win situation?

Not all cops are vicious, but they certainly can be... and they routinely get away with it.  And you almost never know which is which until it is too late. Better to avoid all of them in most places, I think - and be polite to those you can't avoid.

I'm polite to everyone, just not willing to be subservient to anyone. I give lip service to the "speed limit" and have never been pulled over. Works for me.

But here's the joke in Newcastle. I have regularly traveled a road between the highway bypass and Main street, going past the high school. I carefully maintained a 30 MPH speed for nearly ten years (the limit on both cross streets). Then one day last summer I happened to notice a single, rather obscure sign that said the "speed limit" was 20 MPH.  Oh gosh... never knew that before. And, evidently, nobody else gave a damn, including the cops I've seen now and then on that road. Still trying to remember the 20MPH limit when I use that road, but usually don't think of it.

So, it depends a lot on where you are too. :)
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: DiabloLoco on December 15, 2016, 08:43:14 am
I could have raised a big stink, got my panties in a wad and been hostile about the whole situation

Why would anyone want to act like that, especially in a no win situation?

Not all cops are vicious, but they certainly can be... and they routinely get away with it.  And you almost never know which is which until it is too late. Better to avoid all of them in most places, I think - and be polite to those you can't avoid.

I'm polite to everyone, just not willing to be subservient to anyone. I give lip service to the "speed limit" and have never been pulled over. Works for me.

But here's the joke in Newcastle. I have regularly traveled a road between the highway bypass and Main street, going past the high school. I carefully maintained a 30 MPH speed for nearly ten years (the limit on both cross streets). Then one day last summer I happened to notice a single, rather obscure sign that said the "speed limit" was 20 MPH.  Oh gosh... never knew that before. And, evidently, nobody else gave a damn, including the cops I've seen now and then on that road. Still trying to remember the 20MPH limit when I use that road, but usually don't think of it.

So, it depends a lot on where you are too. :)
Over here, the "school zone" speed limit is in effect only on days that actually have school (No Sat or Sun. No Summer. No holidays. etc). AND.......on days that there IS school, only during school hours. Usually 7am-6pm.
Title: Re: When the police pull you over....
Post by: MamaLiberty on December 15, 2016, 10:15:24 am
Over here, the "school zone" speed limit is in effect only on days that actually have school (No Sat or Sun. No Summer. No holidays. etc). AND.......on days that there IS school, only during school hours. Usually 7am-6pm.

None of that indicated here, just a plain old speed limit sign that isn't too obvious. I rarely see anyone walking on that road, and always slow down when I do...  Of course that's all that's really necessary. :) People, including "kids," could be there any time of the day or night, actually. The presence of the school doesn't change anything.
Title: how to talk to the police
Post by: heyoka on January 28, 2017, 02:11:53 pm
you could try being charming
https://www.facebook.com/Officerdaniels/videos/405889003085259/ (https://www.facebook.com/Officerdaniels/videos/405889003085259/)
or, simply declare your sovereignty, making up your rights as you go along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=3zHRQn_IShw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=3zHRQn_IShw)
 :laugh:
ymmv
Title: Re: how to talk to the police
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 28, 2017, 02:34:57 pm
you could try being charming

Better not to be "pulled over" at all. Seems to me that this is one fight nobody really wins, especially if they resist or get nasty.

Only had one "ticket" since 1963 when I got my first car. Bogus "speeding" ticket on a totally empty desert road. Well, empty except for the CHP hiding behind a billboard. I was polite. End of story.

I was riding with someone once, however, and he was pulled over. We were both carrying openly at the time, and we wound up talking guns for 15 minutes with the trooper. Very friendly, and no ticket. Just a smiling warning to my lead foot companion.