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Special Interest => Money, Commerce, and Taxation => Topic started by: MamaLiberty on January 18, 2016, 07:44:15 am

Title: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 18, 2016, 07:44:15 am
So, now they can go back to buying the groceries offered at the liquor store. No idea what it takes to run a business, only that they are entitled to whatever they feeelz like.

Walmart Closes LA Store Over $15 Minimum Wage
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/17/poor-hurt-walmart-closes-la-stores-over-15-minimum-wage/

Immigrant Hispanic and Asian residents of central Los Angeles campaigned for years for a “big box” retailer to locate in their economically depressed neighborhood to compete against liquor stores that sold a limited number of food items at very high prices. In September 2013, Walmart finally opened a 33,000-square-foot grocery and drug store in the Chinatown area.

Crowds flocked to the store for lower food costs, substantially cheaper pharmaceuticals, and even ethnic offerings. But labor leaders immediately started protesting against the store for refusing to unionize, even though 100 Walmart employees refused to sign union cards.

During the November 2014 Black Friday protests in downtown Los Angeles led by the union-funded Movement Generation’s Justice and Ecology Project, thousands of protestors were bused in to protest against Walmart destroying downtown, even though the company only had the one store in Chinatown.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on January 18, 2016, 10:45:17 am
Hah, I'll bite.  My dad's business, yeah, he tried to get help from the unions when the local non union people in the market were largely druggies, drunk or incompetent (its a plague in construction in EVERY market, it just is, those of you in construction or any of the heavy construction related fields can easily verify I'm telling the truth.)  (Ours was air conditioning, plumbing and gas fitting, I have none of the licenses, but I bet I can keep my own with the journeymen and masters any day, and probably outdo them, dad offered a 7 year warranty on workmanship!!  It was claimed twice in more than a decade of work by him, with my help and occasionally my mom when she had time off and I didn't.  This was in a busy growing market a hundred miles south of DC... busy... very busy.  He always had to micromanage his other employees to make sure the work was up to his standards.  I still think we should have charged far more after our name got out.  Seriously, the hardware failed before any of our work ever did.  We were THAT good.)

Anyways, those union boys?  They moved in and started making and demanding changes, and after dad tried bidding several jobs using ONLY union labor (they demand you only use their guys) and failed to outbid a single other contractor, he called it quits and refused to accept the union boys.  This is America, people here shop by cheap, not by good.  Even if all those union guys were top grade workers, the consumers of America want chinese pricing.  Quality will never float except when selling to big businesses and super rich.  It is the way it is.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 18, 2016, 12:15:51 pm
You can always pay far more than something is worth as well... like groceries in a liquor store, or cheese head employees at $15. an hour.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Rarick on January 18, 2016, 03:46:54 pm
Not surprised, the reason people can't have nice stuff is because they aren't willing to work for the money to buy it, nor are they willing to pay the money to actually own it.  Like people that used to be so down on the prices armorers charged in SCA when I was playing there back in the day...  The guy has a rare skill, he only has so much time in a month and he has how many mouths to feed?  What do you want to earn in a month?  Have you the skills to justify that?  If you do not-time to start leveling them up and do the school grind. 

The usual catch 22 that people refuse to see- especially in themselves.  A crappy job now can help finance the opportunities for a good one later...  I do not believe they think in those terms anymore.

Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: knobster on January 19, 2016, 06:32:33 am
The usual catch 22 that people refuse to see- especially in themselves.  A crappy job now can help finance the opportunities for a good one later...  I do not believe they think in those terms anymore.

Critical thinking, delayed gratification, forward planning, etc are all foreign concepts to most people these days.  My children are finally understanding that if they want something better than the cheap $5 whatever then more work and more saving is needed. 
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 19, 2016, 07:37:38 am
Not surprised, the reason people can't have nice stuff is because they aren't willing to work for the money to buy it, nor are they willing to pay the money to actually own it.

Unfortunately, it's even worse than that. The government "schools" and herds of "social workers" have convinced so many that the world, "the rich," SOMEBODY else owes them a living, and even more. The entitlement mentality, and the utter lack of personal responsibility, is the nightmare. 
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Cherokee on April 27, 2016, 03:28:12 am
Minimum wage should be tied to the consumer price index with COLAs given annually just like Social Security and military retirement.

But first, the problems with the consumer price index should be fixed. Instead of using average prices of things that all people use, they gauge by hotel costs and transportation (air travel ) and other BS. I haven't been in a hotel or an airplane in years.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 27, 2016, 05:12:20 am
Minimum wage should be tied to the consumer price index with COLAs given annually just like Social Security and military retirement.

But first, the problems with the consumer price index should be fixed. Instead of using average prices of things that all people use, they gauge by hotel costs and transportation (air travel ) and other BS. I haven't been in a hotel or an airplane in years.
Well....You're halfway there. It doesn't need to be fixed, it needs to be scrapped. Done away with. Finished. Minimum wage AND social security, are mechanisms used by TPTB to manipulate inflation and control the masses.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 27, 2016, 05:12:36 am
Minimum wage should be tied to the consumer price index with COLAs given annually just like Social Security and military retirement.


There is no rational way to dictate any "minimum wage." People must be free to trade... value for value in a free market. 
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Rarick on April 27, 2016, 11:46:11 am
If there must be a law to prevent exploitation and to prevent "Excessive income Gaps"  then address the problem directly.  The same rules can address the bonuses paid to executives when a company is failing as well.

Write and pass a law that says that the company may not pay the CEO more than x multiple of the lowest wage earner.

The company then has to find the sweet spot between the CEO wage and the wages they can pay to break even.  A simple law, simple to enforce and the politicians are not picking a random number, the market is the regulating mechanism.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 27, 2016, 11:55:22 am
the market is the regulating mechanism.

No "law" required for that. :) And in fact, every attempt to make "laws" about such things (most things) only distorts the market.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Bill St. Clair on April 27, 2016, 12:38:38 pm
the market is the regulating mechanism.

No "law" required for that. :) And in fact, every attempt to make "laws" about such things (most things) only distorts the market.

Yep. The unregulated free market is the only proper way to regulate any economic activity. If we need government for anything at all, it is only to provide restitution for bodily harm, theft, and fraud.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: MamaLiberty on April 27, 2016, 12:46:44 pm
Yep. The unregulated free market is the only proper way to regulate any economic activity. If we need government for anything at all, it is only to provide restitution for bodily harm, theft, and fraud.

How would any government do that without the power to compel - to use force, to have authority to set up laws, courts, the whole thing? Individuals can certainly protect themselves from most such harm, and there are non-government ways to deal with those who will not cooperate.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Rarick on April 30, 2016, 12:43:49 am
the market is the regulating mechanism.

No "law" required for that. :) And in fact, every attempt to make "laws" about such things (most things) only distorts the market.

Look at the first sentence. "If there must be a law"  (to make sheep happy).....
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: heyoka on April 30, 2016, 10:12:30 am
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Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: WWalker on May 04, 2016, 06:44:15 pm
....the consumers of America want chinese pricing.  Quality will never float except when selling to big businesses and super rich.  It is the way it is.

I'm starting to wonder if it is or has ever been (in my life time) the consumers who have created the demand for cheap Chinese products.
Or
Is it the fact that a big corporations prime directive is perpetual profit growth, and once they figured out how to manufacture on the cheap and sell higher quantity over a larger customer base...the "choice" was made for the consumer.
I personally see less and less choice in many different areas.  Often it is either a choice of cheap Chinese junk or the same cheap Chinese junk sold under a different name by a different Corp. 
It seems that at times a quality option is not available at any price...due to a lack of competition, due to market regulation, and other government imposed barriers to entry.
Seems that everything is being sucked up by the big Corps. and they are all lowering the quality of goods and services to the lowest common denominator in order to continue profit growth until that unsustainable business model puts them under.   

         
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Bill St. Clair on May 05, 2016, 08:43:13 am
And then there's Apple. Still manufactured in China, but high quality and higher-than-bargain-basement price. And VERY profitable.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: WWalker on May 16, 2016, 06:34:04 pm
Is Apple selling their stuff to the Chinese at a price comparable to the US market?  Read that China is the lions share of Apple's sales right now.

Fluke sold a multi meter that was packaged "not for sale outside of China".  The Chinese they don't follow universally accepted US market manipulation tactics. They saw an opportunity to make a buck, those Americans are brainwashed by marketing wank to pay a lot of money for Fluke products, started selling them on ebay for $75 now their up to $97 and change.
How cheap was Fluke selling them to the Chinese market????
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: da gooch on May 16, 2016, 08:07:46 pm
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I guess I'm missing the point here heyoka.

Are these supposed to Good things or Bad things?
I see several that are personal choice options and no one has the right to judge them for that.
Do they?
There are a lot of people who are poor for reasons beyond their control. There are still more who don't really care about the "current fashions".

edit to add:

 :doh: It Finally dawns on me ... heyoka has provided a Classic Example of bashing Wal*Mart in the form of a game ridiculing Wal*Mart customers.

I must be low on rum or something I usually Get these sort of things faster than this.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Moonbeam on May 16, 2016, 09:39:40 pm
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Well, I have changed poopy diapers in parking lots. And one time it was at Walmart. However, I did not leave any evidence behind (no pun intended). Wonder if someone covered their Walmart bingo card courtesy of me?...  :thinking:
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on May 22, 2016, 09:57:43 pm
Hahaha, the diapers and beer thing makes sense.  I'd want to knock one back to relax after wading through shit too.  Frankly I'd rather not wade through shit at all.  Train the little fucker to use a potty and flush it down.  Every time he (or she, I'm an equal opportunity hardass these days) fails, he gets the Roman Army treatment.  Lowered Rations. 

Oh, and hi guys.  Sorry I've been missing in action, but after the messaging utility here was cancelled, I've basically started losing touch of everyone (who's still on.)

Just too much stuff to do, and never as much time as I'd like.  I spend my time pondering eeerie coincidences. 

(For example, fired up a soundtrack from a game.  Then I had a hunch to go check on the prices for some items for my business, printed materials.  And the name on the printed material samples was the same as the name of the main character from that game.  WTF?!  I don't need the diapers, but I might hit Wally World to grab a few beers, does anyone need to cover that spot?)
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Moonbeam on May 25, 2016, 02:16:36 pm
...Train the little fucker to use a potty and flush it down.

At what *magical* age would you have others potty train their um, Little Turkeys? Or are you suggesting you only have the answers for your own household one day?

Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Bill St. Clair on May 25, 2016, 02:51:07 pm
Oh, and hi guys.  Sorry I've been missing in action, but after the messaging utility here was cancelled, I've basically started losing touch of everyone (who's still on.)

We do appear to have knocked out that particular troll, but at great cost. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to put a notice in the registration text that there are known trolls who target newbies with messages defaming the forum and its members.

But then, who reads registration text? I do, unless it's too long, but many don't bother.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Cherokee on May 25, 2016, 05:10:32 pm
A true free market society is unregulated and does not require business licenses, nor does it have a central bank which writes the rules in it's pyramidal favor. No laws are made that dictate a required currency, and people are free to trade and barter at will. The market will bear true value and pricing and what currencies are acceptable.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on May 26, 2016, 02:50:46 pm
Oh, and hi guys.  Sorry I've been missing in action, but after the messaging utility here was cancelled, I've basically started losing touch of everyone (who's still on.)

We do appear to have knocked out that particular troll, but at great cost. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to put a notice in the registration text that there are known trolls who target newbies with messages defaming the forum and its members.

But then, who reads registration text? I do, unless it's too long, but many don't bother.

Woah woah woah... I never trolled anyone.  Barely ever messaged people too, unless I had a private "attaboy" or "wtf were you thinking?!" to send... or reply to private posts.

Seriously, I thought it was good stuff.  I hold that warnings are better than bans on features.  Is that why you guys disabled PM's?  Cause asshats were telling people off privately?

PS - I read registration texts too.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: DiabloLoco on May 26, 2016, 02:57:47 pm


Woah woah woah... I never trolled anyone.  Barely ever messaged people too, unless I had a private "attaboy" or "wtf were you thinking?!" to send... or reply to private posts.

Seriously, I thought it was good stuff.  I hold that warnings are better than bans on features.  Is that why you guys disabled PM's?  Cause asshats were telling people off privately?

PS - I read registration texts too.
I used it to for the same stuff. I also used PM's to privately send birthday wishes...etc.... Usually with a personalized touch.
Title: Re: Stupid WalMart bashing
Post by: Bill St. Clair on May 26, 2016, 03:04:59 pm
Woah woah woah... I never trolled anyone.  Barely ever messaged people too, unless I had a private "attaboy" or "wtf were you thinking?!" to send... or reply to private posts.

I didn't say that you trolled anyone, at least that wasn't my intention. Apologies if it sounded like I did.

There was a troll who was sending PMs to new members, warning them that the forum was full of miscreants, and that it wouldn't last for very long. This  was confusing to some new members that Elias wanted to encourage to stick around. So the mods decided to disable PMs, and I made the change to the forum configuration.