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Title: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: DiabloLoco on September 19, 2015, 06:42:50 pm
Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FiFD0aXxU

Your cyber security systems have been rendered obsolete. :ph34r:
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Bear on September 20, 2015, 12:00:17 am
As time goes on I become more convinced that there is huge virtue in Simplicity.
The more complex the system, the easier it is to f*** it up.

A few suggestions:

1. Do not use wireless computer or network connections of any kind.
2. All connectivity that is required goes through shielded cable.
3. Don't use DHCP or other 'convenient' security measures. In fact, avoid using 'servers' in general.
    They are a week point and an achilles heel for many systems.
4. Do not load anything on to the system which does not have a reason for being there.
5. Critical systems should be isolated.

Bear
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on September 20, 2015, 02:23:23 am
Wow.  That commercial came straight out of several videogames I've played.

Here's my fun and funny.  I don't buy it.  Its a psyop in typical fashion.

As for Wifi or other things, bear... depends.  Properly setup, Wifi is fine.  Improperly setup (think quicksetup pair buttons) you're at the mercy of limited "key" numbers, most of which are known and the rest of which are easily crackable.

Basically speaking, most of our current technology is based on flaws in older tech.

Eventually that stuff will need to be turned into something better.

This commercial shouldn't worry anyone who isn't a target of an organization or organizations with more money than sense.  If you are their target, hiding in a cave and "simplifying" your life simply accomplishes what they would otherwise have to accomplish.  It destroys your life and eradicates your presence in the world.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on September 20, 2015, 01:48:40 pm
In real life, this stuff is probably a few exploits for popular hardware purchased from Hacking Team or some other group (probably what the NSA and others stole when they cleaned out Hacking Team's servers along with several other international spy agencies, there's been articles about it, Schneier mentioned it and linked to them in the latest Crypto-Gram.)

The thing is, by the time the "cyber soldiers" go get "cyber-l33t" they'll end up clicking on the multi million dollar gizmo button and ... the alarms go off because the device attempted to use a back door in a program which was patched without alerting the embedded spies at the organization being attacked.

What's interesting is that in the existing commercial, the "cyber-soldiers" are shown attacking a civilian target, not "terrists" in a cave.  Interesting commercial, eh?

Again, I say psy-op with a slight Freudian slip.  We all know militaries exist for enslavement of civvies, not for killing a few "terrists" in some cave in CaveManStan.  This commercial looks badass and shows you EXACTLY that.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: WayfarerReturns on November 04, 2015, 08:38:49 pm
Looks pretty bad ass to me. We don't have hardcore adverts like that over in Europe.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Rarick on November 20, 2015, 09:20:09 am
directed EMP is what I think that was about.  There was DARPA stuff on that that went silent......
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: da gooch on November 20, 2015, 11:04:03 am
I am not able to watch videos on my machine but from the comments It seems to me that much more effort at Faraday caging and portable directable EMP generators would be prudent. IF one had the finances and or technology to do so.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on September 01, 2016, 11:15:46 am
I'm still keeping an eye on the forum, but until today I didn't truly feel compelled to say anything much, except the occasional PM to someone whose comment was worthy of a nice remark.  Anyways, that said, EMP... WTF is everyone so obsessed with EMP?  Seriously, modern motherboards are already ESD immune or highly resistant.  Take MSI of Taiwan.  Been making motherboards with milspec / milgrade capacitors and IC's for the last half decade (we're talking gaming motherboards, not basic cheapies.)  Gigabyte (also of Taiwan) has been doing the same with basic business and gaming boards for about the same amount of time.  US manufacturers were too busy selling out to the NSA to innovate (its always Asians who bring innovations to technology, westerners just figure out how to sell out their buyers to the government spies.)

I'd be more worried about crap like the Equation Group and the fact that western (American) manufacturers worked with them to make western made/designed equipment 100% hackable.  THAT should scare you, especially now that Kaspersky blew the lid off of that crock of shit and steered just shy of admitting it was the NSA and American based companies who are responsible for the insecurity of so much equipment... deliberately.

ADDENDUM:  Please note I'm not harping on westerners only.  Chinese owned Hitachi/Lenovo (formerly IBM's desktop/laptop and hard drive division) has been getting busted for almost two decades doing the exact same thing to hardware sold to equipment manufacturers building for purchase by Hong Kong and Taiwanese governments and influential parties.  I won't buy Hitachi hard disks, Lenovo computers or Huawei phones.  I also have a cheap chinese tablet I only trust to watch movies and do surfing when away from home, like when i'm on extremely spyware infested hotel "free internet" etc.  It does not get connected to my servers, it does not see my private network, etc.  Of course, its all just stopgaps.  In reality, we'll need to get government crooks OUT of the business of buying out businesses, and hang all the sellouts in the marketplace.  And America will have to embrace the "do it once, do it right, and charge accordingly" mindset, rather than this "cheap, good enough shit, over and over and over again" mindset which seems to be the norm.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: DiabloLoco on September 01, 2016, 03:17:26 pm
I'm still keeping an eye on the forum, but until today I didn't truly feel compelled to say anything much, except the occasional PM to someone whose comment was worthy of a nice remark.  Anyways, that said, EMP... WTF is everyone so obsessed with EMP? 

Do you think the grid can withstand an EMP? Modern vehicles? If that answer is no, then what does it matter if a computer motherboard can take it with stride? No power, no computer. :dontknow:

I'm not dissing you. Maybe you know something about it that I don't. If so, please share. I'm genuinely curious.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Tahn L. on September 01, 2016, 04:06:04 pm
I'm still keeping an eye on the forum, but until today I didn't truly feel compelled to say anything much, except the occasional PM to someone whose comment was worthy of a nice remark.  Anyways, that said, EMP... WTF is everyone so obsessed with EMP? 

Do you think the grid can withstand an EMP? Modern vehicles? If that answer is no, then what does it matter if a computer motherboard can take it with stride? No power, no computer. :dontknow:

I'm not dissing you. Maybe you know something about it that I don't. If so, please share. I'm genuinely curious.

Besides computers, I would be interested if plain old 12v. batteries and solar panels could withstand an EMP? I know the charge controllers and inverters would probably be toast.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 02, 2016, 06:10:20 am
Just happened across this. http://www.futurescience.com/emp/emp-myths.html  Quite a lot of information about EMP and related things. Lots of myths and misinformation around.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on September 03, 2016, 12:56:37 am
12 V batteries would not be affected any more than they are affected by a lightning strike nearby.  Your antique extra sensitive low quality motherboard fries if a lightning bolt hits outside the house.  Your bios battery is still working when its over.

Last one I ever saw fail was a laptop, lightning struck just outside the window in the yard, and the only thing that died on the laptop was its network card interface (didn't even die, just locked up in the active state but the laptop itself continued to work for many more years, it was a Gateway gaming laptop back in 2006 or thereabouts.)

Hope that helps.  My own HP business laptop which is about 10 years old, died of old age (motherboard replaced and sold), but in reality, most of them tend to survive what movie people seem to think will kill the universe.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Tahn L. on September 03, 2016, 08:40:44 pm
12 V batteries would not be affected any more than they are affected by a lightning strike nearby. 

Thanks Adventurer***,

 How about solar panels themselves?

I have hooked a 12v solar panel directly to a 12v battery before.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on September 05, 2016, 02:30:04 pm
12 V batteries would not be affected any more than they are affected by a lightning strike nearby. 

Thanks Adventurer***,

 How about solar panels themselves?

I have hooked a 12v solar panel directly to a 12v battery before.

I'd worry about the charge controller if you have one or if your panel has one.  Realistically, any rechargeable battery is likely to get supercharged if the theory of high altitude EMP is true.  HERT has given us a lot to think about, but it also doesn't always kill equipment.  Sometimes it just disables it for awhile... usually killing very focused devices (targets.)  I haven't built or done HERT experiments since I was a kid, nearly two decades ago.  Computing equipment has come a long way and infrastructure never much cared anyways.  The charges will be much higher in the MeV or maybe even GeV but still... I won't worry about it.  EMP is basically taking Tesla's ionosphere energy distribution technique and heavily front loading the process with one big burst.  Leave it to governments to figure out how to destroy life, not how to uphold and uplift it.  Color me... unsurprised.

Either way, if your lead acid 12v battery survives, you may have to put it on a high end desulphation table as its electrolyte may evaporate/boil off.  That said, it may boil off fast enough that the sulphation process may not be very thorough.  I don't have answers because even my fastest charger takes an hour to boil off any considerable liquid (and usually a whole day.)  And this is a charger which provides about 700 cranking amps to kickstart a dead battery or a car containing it.  In reality an EMP wouldn't be providing such a nasty surge at every point down from its detonation, you have to figure, like all electromagnetic phenomena and all phenomena in nature, it will have surge areas, and areas which completely miss out.  If you want to try and see how affected we would be, take an EM radiation detector (the cheap bunker hill ones from Harbor Freight will do, though I have better) and test an N300 (at the time a high end variant of the Wireless N network, before N600 came out.  Most DSL ones shipped with this.)  In the same room as the router, you get fantastic signal to the tester.  Several walls away its sporadic at best, with hot zones and absolute no signal zones.  Moment you touch or press against any bony area loaded with nerves (particularly your skull or spine) the signal detector will go absolutely crazy!  It doesn't do the same thing if you try it outside out in the woods.  Which means humans act as N300 retransmitters/repeaters.  Anyways, just imagine if we act as wireless N repeaters, just exactly how terrible it'll be for us if we act as EMP radiation receivers/repeaters as well?  Think your nervous system will survive a high altitude blast?  Think it will survive unchanged?

Just food for thought. 

NOTE: More food for thought:  What if the group which had major input into Draft N actually called it that because it bunny hops off of nervous systems and uses talking monkeys and possibly other mammals (ahem "people") as repeaters/signal extenders of sorts?
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: DiabloLoco on September 05, 2016, 02:51:41 pm


Do you think the grid can withstand an EMP? Modern vehicles? If that answer is no, then what does it matter if a computer motherboard can take it with stride? No power, no computer. :dontknow:

I'm not dissing you. Maybe you know something about it that I don't. If so, please share. I'm genuinely curious.
Bumping my post since it was ignored.

I'm still curious.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on September 06, 2016, 02:41:32 am


Do you think the grid can withstand an EMP? Modern vehicles? If that answer is no, then what does it matter if a computer motherboard can take it with stride? No power, no computer. :dontknow:

I'm not dissing you. Maybe you know something about it that I don't. If so, please share. I'm genuinely curious.
Bumping my post since it was ignored.

I'm still curious.

Many people, especially gun nuts screaming for freedom from controls don't pay attention to how many rednecks are IDIOTS.  In our homeland "Wyomin'," we have these idiots shooting at the power transformers (the big multiple can arrays in the middle of a field set up in a wood bracket.

Our local coop in northern Wyoming has been issuing warnings in their bi-monthly newsletter to the local idiots to PLEASE stop shooting at the cans.  Nothing's worked.  Threats of imprisonment, lawsuits, federal time... no changes.  Private property?  Doesn't deter them.  Cops have made exactly ZERO arrests on the issue.  Those transformers aren't cheap, and the linemen are paid six figures plus a generous retirement (union workers, Wyoming's HEAVILY unionized for the energy sector.)  Just imagine what would happen if we actually did setup wind turbines out here.  Morons would be shooting them up all the time unless the death penalty was strictly enforced for such nonsense.  May sound cruel, but it appears the low average IQ translates into drive by shotgunning of important infrastructure components.  Who needs terrorists when our own locals shit in their own drinking water supply and blow up their own infrastructure?

With that in mind, I doubt the power grid will survive the extra artificial scarcity a Hillary presidency will inflict upon it.  States which have diversified off of "nukular" power and off of the coal/gas/oil grid will end up weathering the storm better, but currently, other than off grid homes with proper setups, its highly unlikely the average power consumer will have an easy time.  Having some first hand knowledge of what's going on in some parts of the world due to nuclear storage fuckups beyond imaginable bounds of reason (and sadism/negligence) I can clearly say that without a sword of damocles hanging over them promising real death for their crimes, most of the big corpers are going to douchebag their way out and dump the stuff in someone else's drinking water.  Somalia's been a popular place because, being anarchic, the only defense against so called "illegal dumping" has been the pirates.  I've mentioned this before.  A couple of times here and there, tankers covertly carrying radioactive waste were jacked or attempted to be jacked.  Ironically they're the only tankers which were equiped with military snipers.  And were promptly scuttled off the coast before the media was even done asskissing the snipers.  World is full of irony and sarcasm.

Not that government-topias are any better off.  For shits and giggles check out Denver with a portable counter (should set you back no more than 700 bucks for a high quality one, but I sadly don't sell them.)
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: DiabloLoco on September 06, 2016, 05:16:16 am


Do you think the grid can withstand an EMP? Modern vehicles? If that answer is no, then what does it matter if a computer motherboard can take it with stride? No power, no computer. :dontknow:

I'm not dissing you. Maybe you know something about it that I don't. If so, please share. I'm genuinely curious.
Bumping my post since it was ignored.

I'm still curious.

Many people, especially gun nuts screaming for freedom from controls don't pay attention to how many rednecks are IDIOTS.  In our homeland "Wyomin'," we have these idiots shooting at the power transformers (the big multiple can arrays in the middle of a field set up in a wood bracket.

Our local coop in northern Wyoming has been issuing warnings in their bi-monthly newsletter to the local idiots to PLEASE stop shooting at the cans.  Nothing's worked.  Threats of imprisonment, lawsuits, federal time... no changes.  Private property?  Doesn't deter them.  Cops have made exactly ZERO arrests on the issue.  Those transformers aren't cheap, and the linemen are paid six figures plus a generous retirement (union workers, Wyoming's HEAVILY unionized for the energy sector.)  Just imagine what would happen if we actually did setup wind turbines out here.  Morons would be shooting them up all the time unless the death penalty was strictly enforced for such nonsense.  May sound cruel, but it appears the low average IQ translates into drive by shotgunning of important infrastructure components.  Who needs terrorists when our own locals shit in their own drinking water supply and blow up their own infrastructure?

With that in mind, I doubt the power grid will survive the extra artificial scarcity a Hillary presidency will inflict upon it.  States which have diversified off of "nukular" power and off of the coal/gas/oil grid will end up weathering the storm better, but currently, other than off grid homes with proper setups, its highly unlikely the average power consumer will have an easy time.  Having some first hand knowledge of what's going on in some parts of the world due to nuclear storage fuckups beyond imaginable bounds of reason (and sadism/negligence) I can clearly say that without a sword of damocles hanging over them promising real death for their crimes, most of the big corpers are going to douchebag their way out and dump the stuff in someone else's drinking water.  Somalia's been a popular place because, being anarchic, the only defense against so called "illegal dumping" has been the pirates.  I've mentioned this before.  A couple of times here and there, tankers covertly carrying radioactive waste were jacked or attempted to be jacked.  Ironically they're the only tankers which were equiped with military snipers.  And were promptly scuttled off the coast before the media was even done asskissing the snipers.  World is full of irony and sarcasm.

Not that government-topias are any better off.  For shits and giggles check out Denver with a portable counter (should set you back no more than 700 bucks for a high quality one, but I sadly don't sell them.)
Are you sure you're not a politician? Just wondering, since you just answered the question with out answering it. :laugh:

That had nothing to do with whether or not the grid or modern vehicles could survive a HEMP.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Tahn L. on September 06, 2016, 12:26:51 pm
12 V batteries would not be affected any more than they are affected by a lightning strike nearby. 

Thanks Adventurer***,

 How about solar panels themselves?

I have hooked a 12v solar panel directly to a 12v battery before.

I'd worry about the charge controller if you have one or if your panel has one.  Realistically, any rechargeable battery is likely to get supercharged if the theory of high altitude EMP is true. 

Thanks Adventurer***,

I believe I will keep a solar panel and a deep cycle battery, along with some jumper cables and a charger for smaller batteries, in a metal shed, unconnected. Understand about the charge controller as I have already lost 2 to lightening. But going back to simple works for me.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Kurt on September 06, 2016, 07:54:13 pm
I believe I will keep a solar panel and a deep cycle battery, along with some jumper cables and a charger for smaller batteries, in a metal shed, unconnected. Understand about the charge controller as I have already lost 2 to lightening. But going back to simple works for me.

Much easier to shield everything when they aren't in use, and a metal shed would be a good start I'd think.  EMI finger stock gaskets around the entry door might help.  A couple rolls of aluminum foil and some scrap cardboard for an insulator, and wrapping all the items, would be additional cheap insurance too.  Or go the aluminum trashcan/aluminum tape route if the items will fit and leave that inside the shed?

I'm planning for the worst and figuring my installed panels on the roof, along with the charge controller and inverter/charger inside, will be toast in a HEMP.  Anything that survives, even if it's efficiency is reduced or some functionality was lost, would be welcome but not counting on it so we have some spare equipment in shielded boxes just in case.  While I've never seen it discussed much I think many electronic items might be damaged but not necessarily destroyed in a HEMP, a shortwave radio that has the audio amplifier IC damaged so the speaker no longer works, but the rest of the radio (with headphone/ear buds) still functions as an example.  Or a transceiver that receives but won't transmit.  Heard lightning mentioned as an analogy before, but I think electrostatic discharge might be a better one - imagine a dozen people walking on shag carpet and then touching individual ICs inside an electronic device all at the same time.  Some ICs might be damaged, some won't be.  The effect on the device depends on what was damaged, anything from the device not even powering on to something minor that isn't even readily apparent and the device appears to operate normally.  Then again, maybe I'm just more comfortable with the ESD analogy because it makes it easier for me to understand.

On solar panels, a short article lacking detail, on protecting installed solar panels here: http://solarindustrymag.com/threats-and-protection-to-solar-pv-industry-growth   Haven't read the author's book, but it's the same guy from the Future Science site ML posted a link to earlier.
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Rarick on October 05, 2016, 06:20:36 pm
power lines with long miles to build induced current, and those connected to them, will have the most problems.  I am planning on doing with out electricity in an EMP, since the powerful survivors with the gear to resist it will be looking for EM signatures as possible competition. 

I wonder what an EMP would do to the nuclear reactors given how the Japanese reactors fared?

In a SHTF short of an EMP, I will be fine with Water, Wind and Solar already working as the mood strikes me.  The power lines I currently pay the grid tie fees on lead to an old shack that has the meter attached.  I borrowed a drain tile plow and buried my electric connection 8 feet down in flexible pipe that was not drain tile.  Unless your have specific equipment you will not find the real house that easily.

I do not know if 8 feet of dirt has shielding properties, but with luck the EMP will ground out on other stuff. <shrug>
Title: Re: Northrop Grumman “Platoon” TV Commercial
Post by: Rarick on October 05, 2016, 06:24:26 pm
As time goes on I become more convinced that there is huge virtue in Simplicity.
The more complex the system, the easier it is to f*** it up.

A few suggestions:

1. Do not use wireless computer or network connections of any kind.
2. All connectivity that is required goes through shielded cable.
3. Don't use DHCP or other 'convenient' security measures. In fact, avoid using 'servers' in general.
    They are a week point and an achilles heel for many systems.
4. Do not load anything on to the system which does not have a reason for being there.
5. Critical systems should be isolated.

Bear

Amen, Hallelujah and pass the honey pot please....