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Title: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Elias Alias on January 09, 2015, 07:02:11 am
Let's start something and see if we can help is grow. We have discussed a series of uncomfortable facts regarding the militarization of our police in America, the surveillance state's crimes against the American people, and other aspects of what the U.S. Army called in 1980 "MindWar".

I am noting that the individual mind as well as the group mind (collective consciousness of the USA population) is now in the crosshairs of a government hell-bent on controlling our lives in every minute detail. Fedgov wants to be sure it knows what you've been thinking, and what you will most likely think next. That is all covered in the initial thread called "MindWar".

So I am wanting to collect up a group of hard-hitting liberty fighters, of the Psy-Op sort, who can help me form a Resistance to this MindWar idiocy. I'm open to ideas, but am also discerning and my sixth sense will cause me to accept some and reject other ideas submitted, so don't take anything personal if I do not like something, or if I do. Let your ideas spring onto this board and thereby help us form the Resistance. Once we think we know what we want to do, we'll get something organized.

I would like to introduce one of my friends who has just joined TMM. Her name is Cyrellys, and I'm especially hoping she will help me motivate a "Guerrilla Grrls" Regiment of Psy-Op ladies who are sharp as tacks and keen on liberty and have the guts to fight tyranny face to face. "Cy" is a tireless liberty fighter in her own right, and she brings with her some interesting new perspectives I've not seen floating around these forum boards. ;)

Cy, welcome to TMM and especially welcome to the MindWar Resistance project, which I hope you'll help me organize, eh? ;)

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Tahn L. on January 10, 2015, 01:35:14 pm
Elias,
 
 One thought I had, just to throw it out there and break the ice.

 To be most effective, whatever message/method you use, has to go viral. TV/cable/youtube whatever. Perhaps one to three minutes of a very funny liberty fighter telling great jokes that either lampooned the state or promoted freedom. There are enough good writers on this forum to come up with that material but of course you would need a personality.

Just throwing thoughts Bro.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Elias Alias on January 10, 2015, 04:12:18 pm
Elias,
 
 One thought I had, just to throw it out there and break the ice.

 To be most effective, whatever message/method you use, has to go viral. TV/cable/youtube whatever. Perhaps one to three minutes of a very funny liberty fighter telling great jokes that either lampooned the state or promoted freedom. There are enough good writers on this forum to come up with that material but of course you would need a personality.

Just throwing thoughts Bro.

Tahn, that's good thinking. And I really like the idea of humor. Finding the right personality may be a challenge, and making the video is also a challenge. But that can all be done without too much sweat.

About sending it viral, there is an eight-minute video I did about a year ago, I think it was November 2013. That video has had more than three million six hundred thousand downloads on youtube, with no promotional gimmicks at all. It is a highly interesting video of a friend here in Montana asserting himself in a courtroom, to the point the judge got up and left the courtroom, lol. For whatever of various reasons, the danged video is hugely popular and people keep on passing the link around. Check it out for yourself here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06VzxxDTnB8

I see that this past week the vid has had more than another hundred thousand downloads, and its number now stands at 3,920,044.

I'd like to learn how that video went viral -- I mean, "why" did that video go viral? I filmed the thing and gave it to Ernie's mom, who handed it off to a friend, and the next thing I knew it was going viral. No promo, no advertising other than word of mouth. 

So that is one example of something going viral. TMM's Resistance To MindWar could go viral if we are able to do as you have suggested - a cool three minute vid with humor and an insightful message about liberty. Tahn, let's talk more about this. Thanks Bro.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Snakes In Suits
Post by: Zefferon on March 22, 2015, 03:16:23 pm
Elias, I strongly advise that anyone who wants to understand why some individuals in society
damage society without concern for the consequences thoroughly read
Snakes In Suits - When Psychopaths Go To Work
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/snakes-in-suits-paul-babiak/1100609654?ean=9780061147890
It is critical for liberty-minded individuals to understand that there are a few people whose malevolent tendencies
are pathological - you can't help them, you can't cure them, ...
To quote a movie - "There are some people you just can't reach"
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Who...me? on March 22, 2015, 04:48:00 pm
yes that is one reason they still make hemp rope.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: mothercirce on March 22, 2015, 04:57:55 pm
Mother Circe finds humor to be a wonderful tool, but striking fear into the hearts of the indoctrinated might make for a more "viral" experience. Mother Circe advises short electronic video full of shock, awe, doom, cataclysm, fact, truth, and above all... axe to stone truth. Mother Circe sees vast ocean of flesh human indoctrinated vessels. Mother Circe sees value in tough love. Mother Circe smiles from Patmos.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on April 22, 2015, 12:51:41 pm
Let's start something and see if we can help is grow. We have discussed a series of uncomfortable facts regarding the militarization of our police in America, the surveillance state's crimes against the American people, and other aspects of what the U.S. Army called in 1980 "MindWar".

I am noting that the individual mind as well as the group mind (collective consciousness of the USA population) is now in the crosshairs of a government hell-bent on controlling our lives in every minute detail. Fedgov wants to be sure it knows what you've been thinking, and what you will most likely think next. That is all covered in the initial thread called "MindWar".

So I am wanting to collect up a group of hard-hitting liberty fighters, of the Psy-Op sort, who can help me form a Resistance to this MindWar idiocy. I'm open to ideas, but am also discerning and my sixth sense will cause me to accept some and reject other ideas submitted, so don't take anything personal if I do not like something, or if I do. Let your ideas spring onto this board and thereby help us form the Resistance. Once we think we know what we want to do, we'll get something organized.

I would like to introduce one of my friends who has just joined TMM. Her name is Cyrellys, and I'm especially hoping she will help me motivate a "Guerrilla Grrls" Regiment of Psy-Op ladies who are sharp as tacks and keen on liberty and have the guts to fight tyranny face to face. "Cy" is a tireless liberty fighter in her own right, and she brings with her some interesting new perspectives I've not seen floating around these forum boards. ;)

Cy, welcome to TMM and especially welcome to the MindWar Resistance project, which I hope you'll help me organize, eh? ;)

Salute!
Elias


Thank you for the warm welcome Elias.  My apologies for the belated appearance here. 

I am game for your idea, but I'm trying to wrap my 'deep-end' of the pool mind around how this might be done.  One of the things I've always struggled with is that the deeper you go into the paradigm, especially wrt mind war and psy op; the more layers of the onion you peel back the more fantastic the pieces become.  I don't believe in limiting the understanding of my fellows, but at the same time the fantastic often shuts down the best minds out there.  I know you know this. 

For the other members here, an undefined example is that I could not just walk onto any site on the net like OathKeepers and lay out everything I know, suspect I know, or hear in my venues for the purpose of comparing notes with others.  I'd get branded a certifiable nut and run out of dodge.  This is the current state of affairs which is a product of the Mindwar where the goals of system devised constructs built a definition of truth to which the general population has been trained to adhere.  And the general population is VERY well trained indeed.  Some will even react very violently to truths that do not mesh well with their concept of reality.

For those who do not know me, I'm fondly known as Elias's weird friend.  Grin.  I have a rather thick skin...I've been called all sorts of things over the last two decades; just don't call me late to dinner is all I ask! 

When you delve into the mind war you'll find yourself confronted with two choices...either getting very angry, or remaining open-minded and thoughtful.  The latter being the most effective approach if you wish to hold ground in the face of the techniques and tools of the opposition.  For some people this is incredibly difficult although it seems at the outset so simple to do.

What I have found useful is to consider what values and goals I prize and orient my focus around these. 

One of my personal central goals is the general welfare of the human potential which is interwoven with the psyche and the soul of every individual and the collective mind of mankind.

The values surrounding the focus include:

Honor (a "face" value of the individual to the community sometimes called "reputation", as well as the product of exercise of moral code and authority)

Loyalty (steadfastness, inalienable property, authentic, unchangeable, dependable)

Hospitality (altruistic, approachability, ability to deal with strangers without hostility)

Justice (coair - in accordance with truth: truth being a cosmic indisputable rightness which human behavior must seek to imitate; also "properly ruled", in conformity with right)

Courage (to measure to reckon, to maintain control over one's emotional mood; a certain hardness or bloodthirstyness with regard to strength in endurance of Character; spirit and mettle)

Elias mentioned the viral video of Ernie and asked why it went viral so fast.  I would from my professional opinion suggest the reason is because Ernie clearly illustrated all of the above principles and done it in a way that was so honest and basic that he shewn anyone can stand against the (proverbial) "man" which is another way of saying the "system".  Facing down the Mindwar can be as simple or complicated as you choose to make it. 

The HARD part is recognizing when you are being 'gamed' in the first place, and I'll be the first to testify on it, that not all is what it seems when you dive in and find yourself confronted with its inhabitants, victims, and regimented assault teams.  Sometimes that which you thought was an enemy turns out to be a victim or group of victims without recourse or relief available to them.  Such people are often more shy than a wild horse and will defend themselves just as vehemently if they think you have turned on them.

One suggestion of where to start is to define, and categorize in importance, what you think the paradigm needs are.  Cover your basics of who, what, where, when, then the how opportunities and approaches for each.

My last bit of advice is that any group doing this must keep in the back of their collective mind that one man's truth is not necessarily the same as the next man's truth.  You must each decide how far over boundaries and comfort zones you are willing to travel in the effort to achieve results or goals (those two not necessarily being the same thing either!).

Cyrellys
Title: Re: Snakes In Suits
Post by: Cyrellys on April 22, 2015, 01:19:48 pm
Elias, I strongly advise that anyone who wants to understand why some individuals in society
damage society without concern for the consequences thoroughly read
Snakes In Suits - When Psychopaths Go To Work
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/snakes-in-suits-paul-babiak/1100609654?ean=9780061147890
It is critical for liberty-minded individuals to understand that there are a few people whose malevolent tendencies
are pathological - you can't help them, you can't cure them, ...
To quote a movie - "There are some people you just can't reach"


This is an excellent suggestion Zeffron.  I have personal experience with a version of this. 

There are two kinds mental absurdity at work in the mindwar. 

The first is involuntary.  The second voluntary.

I've found the pathological dead ends most often occur in the second.  It's not only the constructs of criminals.  IT also includes things like doctrines held within religion, certain applications of moral high ground that results in a bloodlust for recompense, and mistaken beliefs about what constitutes the definition of "compromised" individuals or organizations.

I have seen well meaning people who believed in such strict moral codes that they literally drove away those who sought to participate honestly in paradigm correction and had resources and reach well beyond those gathered in the public venue to do that.

I have also seen mediators denigrated in public forums for attempting to gather together various parties to set the ball rolling in motion.

I have witnessed the "messenger" attacked for bring out(communicating) necessary facets of the situation.

I have seen people who believed the truth of others to be so offensive to their sensibilities ability to recognize as a truth that the offended parties attempted to physically hunt the communication party down in their home and places of employment to effect a public confrontation and stripping of credibility through a public scene.  The same has been done to relatives and friends of communicators and mediators.

I mention this not to scare anyone.  I mention it because anyone seeking to do what Elias has suggested here, needs to know precisely what they are getting in to.  They need to know at least a summary as given above of what has been done in the past and the stakes in the game.

Full Disclosure.  There are people and groups out there who are playing for keeps.  If you intend to enter the mindwar, then you must acknowledge just how much you have at stake and what your vulnerabilities may be.  You must accept that there are potentially very real consequences for engaging the enemy and that the enemy and its peripherals engage in no holds-barred knock-down-drag-out brawls of the worst order.

If you can't take this kind of heat, stay out of this particular kitchen.  It's not for the faint of heart.

If you can.  Then let's do business and give 'em a dose of their own medicine in the form of reversing the damage they've done.

Cyrellys
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Klapton Isgod on April 23, 2015, 08:56:22 am
When you delve into the mind war you'll find yourself confronted with two choices...either getting very angry, or remaining open-minded and thoughtful.

You left out curling up into fetal position and wishing it wasn't true.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on April 23, 2015, 11:21:15 am
When you delve into the mind war you'll find yourself confronted with two choices...either getting very angry, or remaining open-minded and thoughtful.

You left out curling up into fetal position and wishing it wasn't true.


Lol, you're right.  I just got a good look at that on the other thread I posted on.  And if you disturb the curl, they come out snapping and snarling at anything that moves.  But hey, at least there is some movement...meaning they're still alive.

Grin.

Cy
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on April 23, 2015, 11:32:32 am
Alright, so what would motivate each of you here to participate in Elias's project on the mindwar?

I'm not going to insist it be all ladies.  I think there is just as much potential to be found among men too.  At this point in the game it is important to find out if there is anyone out there still willing to put up a fight.  So let's start there.

Who yet carries a sword?  Any takers?
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Moonbeam on April 23, 2015, 03:18:46 pm
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When you delve into the mind war you'll find yourself confronted with two choices...either getting very angry, or remaining open-minded and thoughtful.

Interesting. My "awakening" started as a *spiritual* one then it morphed into a *poltical* one. There are a lot of rabbit holes to fall into out there! I would liken the (poltical awakening) process as the 7 stages of grief, if you will. I have often thought that folks who are waking up from the Matrix pod need to have a coach; similar to what LSD users need when they're having a bad trip. I could really have used one to help calm me down...
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: sovereignbastard on April 23, 2015, 05:47:24 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxC6YASUC4E#t=38
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: FDD on April 23, 2015, 06:15:31 pm
Alright, so what would motivate each of you here to participate in Elias's project on the mindwar?

I'm not going to insist it be all ladies.  I think there is just as much potential to be found among men too.  At this point in the game it is important to find out if there is anyone out there still willing to put up a fight.  So let's start there.

Who yet carries a sword?  Any takers?

Isn't that kind of blowing your OpSec, talking about what you have and are willing to use, on a public forum?
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: DiabloLoco on April 23, 2015, 08:09:01 pm
Alright, so what would motivate each of you here to participate in Elias's project on the mindwar?

I'm not going to insist it be all ladies.  I think there is just as much potential to be found among men too.  At this point in the game it is important to find out if there is anyone out there still willing to put up a fight.  So let's start there.

Who yet carries a sword?  Any takers?

Isn't that kind of blowing your OpSec, talking about what you have and are willing to use, on a public forum?
Not necessarily. We're talking about using our MINDS. I am definitely willing to use mine, and don't mind saying so on a public forum. :laugh:

Cy- What are we talking about here? What will participation entail?
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on April 23, 2015, 11:14:10 pm
Alright, so what would motivate each of you here to participate in Elias's project on the mindwar?

I'm not going to insist it be all ladies.  I think there is just as much potential to be found among men too.  At this point in the game it is important to find out if there is anyone out there still willing to put up a fight.  So let's start there.

Who yet carries a sword?  Any takers?


Isn't that kind of blowing your OpSec, talking about what you have and are willing to use, on a public forum?


Depends on what you or anyone else intends to do.  We're discussing assembling a group interested in working on strategies that oppose or interrupt the Mind War.  My language is pointed at seeing who all is awake.  I already found one curmudgeon curled up enjoying a remarkably blissful state of uncaring.  And I've heard privately about how our predecessors in the WWII polish and french resistance handled such things, not that I have any belief in rearranging anyone's outlook on life.  I'm interested in if there is anyone here who HAS NOT thrown in the towel.  So yeah I'm kicking tea kettles and jerking blankets off sleepers with an old fashioned celtic roar.  The only way you find out if there's something beneath a rock is to start flipping 'em.

It's just the flat side of the metaphoric sword.  I haven't swung to draw blood.

Cy
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on April 23, 2015, 11:25:31 pm
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When you delve into the mind war you'll find yourself confronted with two choices...either getting very angry, or remaining open-minded and thoughtful.

Interesting. My "awakening" started as a *spiritual* one then it morphed into a *poltical* one. There are a lot of rabbit holes to fall into out there! I would liken the (poltical awakening) process as the 7 stages of grief, if you will. I have often thought that folks who are waking up from the Matrix pod need to have a coach; similar to what LSD users need when they're having a bad trip. I could really have used one to help calm me down...

Now that is something I've never hear ascribed to it before.  Moonbeam, do you have a link or a list for your definition of the 7 stages of grief?  With the vast numbers of people out there waking how might you envision manifesting a 'coach' that could serve many rather than just an intermittent few?  Any thoughts or ideas on that?

Someone already suggested using a viral video as a tool to trigger an intervention.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on April 23, 2015, 11:32:30 pm
Alright, so what would motivate each of you here to participate in Elias's project on the mindwar?

I'm not going to insist it be all ladies.  I think there is just as much potential to be found among men too.  At this point in the game it is important to find out if there is anyone out there still willing to put up a fight.  So let's start there.

Who yet carries a sword?  Any takers?

Isn't that kind of blowing your OpSec, talking about what you have and are willing to use, on a public forum?
Not necessarily. We're talking about using our MINDS. I am definitely willing to use mine, and don't mind saying so on a public forum. :laugh:

Cy- What are we talking about here? What will participation entail?


Well good question.  I think that is up to the individuals who comprise the group.  Everyone brings experience with the mind war in some fashion to the table.  Together it is possible to discern what parts of it are the most damaging and where the efforts of a small group with group available resources could produce either an alteration in the effects of the mindwar or erect an obstruction.

A public teaching tool available online for free and open to distribution by any individual might be an example of something that could function as an obstruction.

We also have a great many resources out there, from tools others have made such as the video SB posted here, and books of what historical groups have done in the face of these types of wars such as:

Soldiers of the Night by David Schoenbrun
      The Story of the French Resistance
   1.  www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Night...Schoenbrun/
   2.  www.goodreads.com
   3.  books.google.com
   4.  www.katesharpleylibrary.net/2jm6g8
   5.  David Schoenbrun - Wikipedia

Quote:  Written by an American intelligence agent (Psychological Warfare Branch), this is the first reasonably satisfying account to date, in English, of the French Resistance. David Schoenbrun has an obvious affinity for those whose activities he describes, and his profession as a spy proves both useful and illuminating as he guides us through the murky labyrinthine world of political and military intrigue in London, Washington and Casablanca as well as Occupied and Vichy France.

But it was not the Generals who fled to London or North Africa, nor the adventurers of the OSS or the SOE who constituted the French Resistance, as this book clearly shows. It was the ordinary men and women from all walks of life and varying political persuasions. They were soldiers without uniforms or proper arms who lived in the shadows as soldiers of the night and who courageously defied the might of the German military machine and their fascist Vichy collaborators.


Just throwing out some ideas to illicit further discussion.

Cy
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Tahn L. on April 24, 2015, 12:44:52 pm
Cy .

Glad you are here!

Did you happen to read the "Libertyville Sheriffs Dept." thread and is this the type of resistance you are wanting? I thought that something like that might change a few minds (What does freedom sound like?) but it might only apply to a few, mostly younger folk. Might turn others totally off. Just trying to establish what you are looking for.

Peace, Love and Brotherhood, Through Equal Rights and Firepower.

Tahn
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Tahn L. on April 24, 2015, 12:52:21 pm
A very good article on changing minds was posted in Strike-The-Root.

http://ericpetersautos.com/2015/04/21/you-say-you-want-a-revolution/
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: sovereignbastard on April 24, 2015, 05:45:05 pm
Anything less than this is simply a hobby.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/ca/Heads_on_pikes.jpg/220px-Heads_on_pikes.jpg)
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on April 24, 2015, 08:29:59 pm
 
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Tahn L. on April 24, 2015, 09:05:42 pm
StillaGhost,

 And I for one, Thank You for your trying and I certainly respect your decision to stop. Myself, as another "one of those around here", wish to still try and do my small part, however ineffective it might be. I believe there is hope. I mean, they just passed constitutional carry in KANSAS, of all places. As long as Claire is writing (she is the one who really turned me on to Freedom) I will keep trying. I have children and grandchildren. I have to keep trying. Words and concepts are better than bullets and memes can work wonders.

In 77 I was sitting right here in my woods, smoking carrots and wondering if I was the only crazy person around. Then later the internet happened and I stumbled on Claire's blog and discovered there were other crazy people who thought just like me. Well, almost.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: jamie on April 24, 2015, 10:21:05 pm
and before the internet there were newsletters and booksellers/publishers like Loompanics.  The incremental destruction of liberty  was there too, if you were paying attention.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on April 24, 2015, 11:05:30 pm
 
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Moonbeam on April 25, 2015, 12:21:50 am
Cy,
According to this site, the "stages of grief" are:

1 - Shock and denial
2 - Pain and guilt
3 - Anger and bargaining
4 - Depression, reflection, loneliness
5 - The upward turn
6 - Reconstruction and working through
7 - Acceptance and hope

Found: http://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html

I mean to simply apply this to my situation. Of course others must interpret their own experiences, beliefs and ideas for themselves. Like I said, there are a lot of rabbit holes one could lose themselves in, and it would have been nice, mighty nice, if I had a mentor to coach me through that really "bad trip." Seriously, I went about three weeks with little eat and precious sleep. I had awful nightmares and I was "tripping" pretty bad. It lessened after those first few weeks, but the bad taste was still left in my mouth for many, many months.

If someone with more knowledge and experience and wisdom had been around they might quite possibly saved me much trouble. "No, Child. That's not the way of it." Or, "Yes, Child. Question that. And then that." And most needed, "No, Child. Do not concern yourself with such falsehoods. Those are red herrings meant to distract from the Truth, to deter you on your journey to becoming a powerfully informed individual. Stay focused. Don't be discouraged. Those are parlor tricks and dog and pony shows for the faint hearted. Be strong. You will be better for it, and here's why and here's how..."

I am not one to jump on the bandwagon that automatically assigns folks the sheeple/clueless/idiots label. I have pity for those not yet "awake." I do not cast everyone into the "enemy" category simply because they have not (yet) chosen to be aware. My patience does wear thin sometimes with those who deliberately stick their head in the sand - BUT, I still get why they would chose to do so.

Because of my personal faith I am exposed to a certain sect of individuals or those with a certain upbringing or those with a certain mindset. I get them, and I know that would be my area of calling if I so choose. Others have written them off, but not I.

Needless to say, my experience leaves me with great empathy for others. To lead individuals to the fountain of great discovery is a privilege at the very least. I leave it to others to argue whether it's even morally mandatory to do so. I won't shrug off my obligation to my children, which is one of the reasons I homeschool. At times it's hard, it's taxing, and it wears thin, but I love them too damn much not to try to suck at something new (a little humor. I would like to think I am improving!)

The bottom line for me is that I would not approach sharing the Truth via scaremongering and conspiracy theories. Gentle is the approach I take. I do know when to be brash and bold, and I know when to be kind and patient. Either choice is deliberate on my account.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: slidemansailor on April 25, 2015, 09:02:08 am
I have given immense energy over a 15-year period to steering the herd, but the team of professional showmen had a more attractive act for most of the audience.  I still put some effort into scattering leaflets and seeds of thought as I fly over, but know few will be turned by me. The lesson is: give the receptive ones more of my time than the adamantly ignorant.

As the masses stampede over the cliff, more will wake up. Sadly too late for many of them, but fortunately for us the survivors will be wholesale-enthusiastic FOR us ad AGAINST our common enemy at that time.

We do need to pace ourselves and be ready for that time.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Tahn L. on April 25, 2015, 09:43:00 am

 
  Tahn , look I have no ill will towards those who still wish to work within the system , nor with those who push the limits of said system in the search for positive results.
 
 
Same here and my understanding is, that this is the purpose of this forum.

 
   
  The rub comes when and individual's freedom of choice to participate or not participate is abrogated by social pressure or the attempted coercion of others , however subtle that may be. You've seen an example of same here between Cy and I wherein she not only failed to understand my stance as regards the rights accorded to every human being she also misread quite badly my stance as regards the Constitution , thus drawing castigation ,innuendo and judgementalism from her quarter.
 
  This of course sets up an adversarial scenario wherein she'll never be able to " bring the people together " , it's also quite like the various aspects of " do what I tell you 'cause I tell you." endorsed and practiced by the masters already in control.
 
 

Well, we are supposed to have a thick skin here. Let it slide.


 
    See here's the rub..........our personal rights are a birthright , you are BORN with those rights. Sure they may be eroded right from the jump , they may be taken away or abused ( and often are)......BUT you are BORN with those rights.
 
   They are not subject to the whims of man except within the context of the aforementioned abuses , they are not changed by pen put to paper nor the documents created , The Articles of The Confederation , the Constitution , the Bill of Rights etc.etc.through history are a support structure for those inborn ,inalienable human rights.
 
   Not the other way around , support the Foundation , the Paper blowing in the breeze on top of it isn't the real important part.

Well said! And I agree, although I believe that many of the "misinformed" are more easily moved toward this position by referencing said documents of history. They believe in them and I believe they can be used to change their viewpoint. Small steps can lead to greener pastures, so to speak. As I have discussed with MamaLiberty (many times), who I believe agrees with you trying to change their entire moral and ethical belief system in one fell swoop is difficult but getting them to acknowledge the original intent of the founders is easier, as a place to start.

I usually start with Shorty Dawkins parallax meme. "What do you think the founding fathers would think of the state of the country today?" "What would they do about it?"

From my perspective, this has opened a few minds, which were otherwise closed.

All I can do is keep trying.

I have given immense energy over a 15-year period to steering the herd, but the team of professional showmen had a more attractive act for most of the audience.  I still put some effort into scattering leaflets and seeds of thought as I fly over, but know few will be turned by me. The lesson is: give the receptive ones more of my time than the adamantly ignorant.

As the masses stampede over the cliff, more will wake up. Sadly too late for many of them, but fortunately for us the survivors will be wholesale-enthusiastic FOR us ad AGAINST our common enemy at that time.

We do need to pace ourselves and be ready for that time.

Amen Slidemansailor. You have certainly done more than I have and have been an inspiration to myself and others. Keep spreading those leaflets, if you have the mental energy to do so. And Thanks!

and before the internet there were newsletters and booksellers/publishers like Loompanics.  The incremental destruction of liberty  was there too, if you were paying attention.

I did not get into many books relating to this prior to the internet but I now know they were there. I was just reading the wrong stuff and trying to survive, help raise a family and start a business or two. Better late than never, I hope.

Perseverance furthers!
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Post by: StillaGhost on April 25, 2015, 11:22:48 am
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Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on April 25, 2015, 01:06:01 pm
I have given immense energy over a 15-year period to steering the herd, but the team of professional showmen had a more attractive act for most of the audience.  I still put some effort into scattering leaflets and seeds of thought as I fly over, but know few will be turned by me. The lesson is: give the receptive ones more of my time than the adamantly ignorant.

As the masses stampede over the cliff, more will wake up. Sadly too late for many of them, but fortunately for us the survivors will be wholesale-enthusiastic FOR us ad AGAINST our common enemy at that time.

We do need to pace ourselves and be ready for that time.

 
 
   And there you have it folks ( see above). Far from having " quit trying" I nowadays just put my efforts into those individuals who HAVE already " awoken" , for when the Crunch comes ( and make NO mistake it IS coming.) those will be the folks that are as Slide refered to above.
 
  I'd rather concentrate my efforts on those folks who stand a fighting chance of being around after the coming storm.
 
   Will  I feel a degree of empathy/sympathy for the Lemmings racing off the cliff? Of course I will , I *am* still human after all ( though certain folks here may dispute that.That said , you can't save Lemmings that are bound to the herd-mass.

Yep, I'm about the same point of it as you fellas, just burned out a lot sooner.  (Queue the low stamina jokes, I'm a big boy... I can probably tolerate a few before my "thick skin" proves to be more permeable than a lambskin condom at a pro pregnancy rally.)

I've gotten to the point, after the last local election, to where I wouldn't vote ever again.  BLECH!  Then again, I ran a police abuse publication on my corner of the coast... and I've paid dearly for it.  I still have problems with my paperwork because of those assholes.  Did anyone stand up for me?  The gun rights people?  The police abuse people??  NOBODY!!!  So I went quietly into the woodwork, and I praise the day it all goes up in flames and will lift not a finger to save it.  I encourage cops to murder maim and behave like totalitarian dickheads.  The sooner they and those who support them ALL burn in hell the better. 

I've taken my hands off the brakes.  I'm pushing from behind now... if anyone looks awake, and I can, I'll gladly pull them out of the handbasket to hell.  Everyone else deserves the flames their blind belief has earned them.
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Post by: DiabloLoco on April 25, 2015, 01:22:22 pm
I have given immense energy over a 15-year period to steering the herd, but the team of professional showmen had a more attractive act for most of the audience.

And here is where people like Alex Jones step in. Although most of us here at TMM have grown far past his particular brand of drivel, there is no denying that he is very successful at awakening sheep with his flashiness and making mountains out of molehills. He grabs attention. 

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I still put some effort into scattering leaflets and seeds of thought as I fly over, but know few will be turned by me. The lesson is: give the receptive ones more of my time than the adamantly ignorant.

I do the same. I "awaken" at least 2 or 3 people per year in meat-space. As for what can be done online, I agree with SaG and others that our efforts are better spent developing and nurturing those that have already stopped pushing the snooze button. I personally think that this begins by ramping up our recruitment efforts for new members here at TMM. I have mentioned this before (which is how this whole "mind-war" thing got started here in the first place), but my suggestions fell flatter than a pancake. Perhaps it is time to revisit this? Many of us here know people online that are in the position to funnel people here. IMO, we should not be too picky about the source of these new members, but should instead focus on developing the newly initiated. Steering them toward the thought process that leads to self-ownership and personal responsibility. Isn't that the whole purpose here? :huh:


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Post by: StillaGhost on April 25, 2015, 01:36:53 pm
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Post by: Tahn L. on April 25, 2015, 04:17:38 pm
I've taken my hands off the brakes.  I'm pushing from behind now... if anyone looks awake, and I can, I'll gladly pull them out of the handbasket to hell.  Everyone else deserves the flames their blind belief has earned them.

Allright then. Lets wake as many up as we can, so there will be more worthy to pull out when it's burning!
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Post by: sovereignbastard on April 25, 2015, 05:07:55 pm
I am gonna start "waking" folks at the check cashing line !
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Post by: sovereignbastard on April 25, 2015, 07:57:38 pm
We have all been condtioned to hold the governments hand. It is only natural that some of us might need a little help. Cutting that cord can be rough sometimes.
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 25, 2015, 07:59:49 pm
Ah ha!  That's the crew Elias was sure was still here.  All the posts have been excellent and offer a piece of wisdom constructive.

I also think we may have the makings of a leader in StillaGhost.  He's demonstrated good reason behind that snarl  AND its that kind of adamant strength that doesn't quit that will be necessary from any person who leads such a project.  I too agree that his belief that investing the energy and effort into those "folks who also stand a chance of being around after the coming storm" is a wise use of energy, effort, and resources.

Realistically there's a limit to what a small group at this point can do to wake the masses.  However there is a broad table of options available to a small group to create resources or effort toward empowering those who are already awake. 

In terms of the mind war, it might look something like a tool that gives a tangible explanation of what the mindwar is, resources for reviewing the history, and methods of combating it which the Awake out there could then utilize to deal with situations in their sphere of influence.  Just an idea example.

For those of you who I left puzzled with the comment about using the flat side of the sword or who still bears a sword, I'll answer your question with the answer to another question:  Where were you in 1977?

In 1977 I was seven years old listening to my grandmother, who was a WWI & II intel warrior in her own right, tell me about the history of the Aes Dana and the paradigm.  I learned direct from her about the depopulationists they intervened on post WWII.  I learned about how the nazi international had not quit after WWII.  I learned about the manipulation of the nation from its near outset after my people had helped design and support the creation of its structure in the course of the Revolutionary War period. 

You see, my grandmother was the last historian of the Old Irish, those who immigrated to America in the early 1600s under cover of english and scottish names, disentangling themselves from the european civilization of their time.  I learned from her both mundane and fantastic stories involving our history, including how the ancient ancestors had fought a global war against the ancestors of a prior corruption constructed by the ancestors of those we today collectively refer to as THE FAMILY or the Illumined Ones.  I heard about the story behind the story which prompted the meeting at her home with a gentleman who in his professional capacity wore the white uniform of the navy.  That meeting had been in 1975 shortly after he and another gentleman from the same system habitation had approached the Aes Dana formally for assistance with the paradigm of that period as it was already snowballing and escaping the bounds the founders had thought they'd set which the People were expected to manage and maintain. 

She told that tall man that the help he sought would not be manifest in their time but rather in hers and she pointed at me who was sitting on the floor playing with a few toys and idly listening to matters I was too young to understand in specifics at the time.  He came around the side of the couch and knelt down in front of me with despair so tangible you might think it could be cut with a knife and he looked me in the eye and asked if I would one day help?  I remember it still clearly.  I also remember having what some might call instant understanding of what he was asking and I remember promising I would.  His last words to me was, "help them remember who they are."

Two years later in 1977 my grandmother was doing her best to grind as much information into my restless little noggin as she could despite being terribly sick with cancer.  She died 2 years later without having finished the job.

I've spent the years since then piecing the rest together in a variety of ways.  The sword is a celtic metaphor.  The Aes Dana tradition is filled with metaphors that carry multifaceted meanings.  It's not a weapon that can be taken from you.  It's roots lie deep within your history.  Each of you here today need to know that you are the heirs to my people's culture.  The principles bound up in the founding of this nation are OLD IRISH principles, carefully handed down and preserved against a criminality that has operated in a variety of ways for nearly 12,000 years. 

Why does the criminal element out there fear Americans and the founders construct as it was originally intended?  Because it is the product of their ancient enemy...it is a product that was intended to be a vehicle to uplift and forward the Source's POTENTIAL possessed by all mankind.  It was intended to stand the test of time beneath the stewardship of an awake and aware population.  But the people went to sleep and they became cynical about its now mythical purpose.  They suffered beneath the machinations of those who twisted history, reason, and perception.  And you know the rest of the story.

The construct of America was intended to be a template that would one day be capable of teaching a world how the peoples of the world might govern themselves together and step beyond this world into the greater universe united in common principles and natural rights.  Something the corruption is terrified of happening.

This is the legacy of my people and the secret they've kept all these centuries and why they risked exposure in the 1700s to help create a nation.  Many of my ancestors were privateers.  They were involved with the navy at its outset.  Gave it its first flag, a white flag with a green pine tree upon it.  And elements of career navy worked with them off and on ever since.  The gentleman who visited my grandmother in 1975 was forced to acknowledge the implosion of the Old Irish clanns and their late 1960s decision to disband and allow the young adult generations what they sought which was a form of cultural oblivion through being absorbed into the umbrella culture.  He was five years too late.

Every person in this nation is the heirs to the ancient Irish Culture.  There are strongholds of this culture scattered all across this continent and in many places outside of the original isles in pockets throughout the world.  The perpetrators of the corruption have feared this for centuries.  And they were horrified in WWI and WWII when the clanns were "called".  Now there are precious few left who remember any of this and we face a danger that threatens to cause extinction on this world...a greater danger than has ever existed in the history of this planet.

This world cannot at this time afford a collapse of civilization.  There have been too many things done to the psyche of mankind, the creation of volatile technologies, and the return of the fantastic: a possible cyclic cataclysm which has been part of the human history off and on for thousands of years.

These are the stakes and this is the story you've never been told.

Now you can't go running around the planet howling this story, because like so much that occurs in the shadows, you'd only be laughed at.  But the need of the paradigm to find and 'call' each awake individual to assist and contribute toward preventing an apocalypse is very real.  Small things can make a huge difference if you track out their repercussions.  I'm not saying this will have that kind of impact.  That is up to all of you.  But I will say my grandmother was a neurotic nit picker....meaning that she was adamant that small things can make a great splash in the cosmic pond of the landscape.  She said there are few notions from the intuitive soup that are not worth doing, and that if you decide to do them, put excellence into it.  Never settle for less.

In ancient celtic terms 'Excellence' is a virtue.  It is a component of ROAR.

Roar is an active product of the use of the sword.  Within it lies "neart" which has no english equivalent but roughly means 'strength' or 'power' in the sense of the 'energy of life'.  It's a sacred energy drawing its origins from the Universal Source, christians call this source God.  This energy is the source of all transformative movement in the universe.

Roar is sometimes described in terms of rage, but that is only because of the force it contains.  Can it be double-edged?  Yes.  It is said that the reason it manifests so often in people of great size is that it might take a person of great size to wield it in a way that is also connected with the wisdom of the Source's consciousness.  I would suggest that while charming that is not entirely true because in today's day and age, dynamite comes in small packages.

In other words you are not limited.

On the matter of leadership, SaG has a great deal to offer all those with interest in this project.  His demonstration of his knowledge of rights is dead on. And attending to those already awake maximizes any effort you invest through a wider use or replication of the product.

You might ask why I am advocating this?  Because I am and have always been a facilitator.  I'm the type of person you call to set a giant cog in motion...to do this an evaluation must be done.  My apologies to all who may have been confused about my approach to this.  Our time in before eruption of chaos appears short.  And the shortest distance between two points being a straight line, even if the course smarts a bit...

So.  A leader leads at the consent of the people.  Seems to me he's doing a pretty good job.

Food for thought.

Cyrellys ni Geibhendach ua Dubhagain.  Aes Dana Feara Maighe do Willamette.

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Post by: sovereignbastard on April 25, 2015, 08:08:40 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCOLXx8dPrE
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 25, 2015, 08:32:51 pm
Re transforming our rage:

-- It is in bringing the rage of what hurts you personally into the world that you have the power to bring neart, this active spirituality, out into the world.  -- from a speech by Nuala Ahern, Irish member of the European Parliament.

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Post by: sovereignbastard on April 25, 2015, 08:35:58 pm
Re transforming our rage:

-- It is in bringing the rage of what hurts you personally into the world that you have the power to bring neart, this active spirituality, out into the world.  -- from a speech by Nuala Ahern, Irish member of the European Parliament.


Neart = Power ?
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Post by: DiabloLoco on April 25, 2015, 08:43:23 pm
Re transforming our rage:

-- It is in bringing the rage of what hurts you personally into the world that you have the power to bring neart, this active spirituality, out into the world.  -- from a speech by Nuala Ahern, Irish member of the European Parliament.


Neart = Power ?
I think that she is referring to "ka" (for those that read Stephen King), or "ki" for those that have studied martial arts or have watched any Dragon Ball. :mellow:
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 25, 2015, 08:49:33 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCOLXx8dPrE


WRT beginnings and knowing your backstory; 'help them remember who they are'...

This is sometimes called Mediating the Primal. 

A culture that doesn't have...a shaman, that doesn't therefore have access to the potencies of the beginning, is in trouble. -- John Moriarty, Turtle Was Gone a Long Time

The ability to access the primal powers of life, to connect with them and mediate them, is the historical task of the shaman or "land sovereign".  Today we use the term Mediator or Facilitator.  Today most of us have forgotten to honor (or even recognize) the value of primal powers and historical beginnings of life.  Life is merely the stream of existence in which each of us swims.  We move along this stream largely unaware of the larger reality in which we are involved.

We can ignore the potency of who we are or we can allow it to revitalize our selves.  Most of us can recite our history but how many truly drink from the immortal draught?

Cy
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 25, 2015, 08:52:51 pm
Re transforming our rage:

-- It is in bringing the rage of what hurts you personally into the world that you have the power to bring neart, this active spirituality, out into the world.  -- from a speech by Nuala Ahern, Irish member of the European Parliament.


Neart = Power ?
I think that she is referring to "ka" (for those that read Stephen King), or "ki" for those that have studied martial arts or have watched any Dragon Ball. :mellow:

Ki as known with the oriental tradition is an accurate definition and use but also think of it in terms beyond just the body as part of a fundamental component of the universe.
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Post by: sovereignbastard on April 25, 2015, 08:54:00 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCOLXx8dPrE


WRT beginnings and knowing your backstory; 'help them remember who they are'...

This is sometimes called Mediating the Primal. 

A culture that doesn't have...a shaman, that doesn't therefore have access to the potencies of the beginning, is in trouble. -- John Moriarty, Turtle Was Gone a Long Time

The ability to access the primal powers of life, to connect with them and mediate them, is the historical task of the shaman or "land sovereign".  Today we use the term Mediator or Facilitator.  Today most of us have forgotten to honor (or even recognize) the value of primal powers and historical beginnings of life.  Life is merely the stream of existence in which each of us swims.  We move along this stream largely unaware of the larger reality in which we are involved.

We can ignore the potency of who we are or we can allow it to revitalize our selves.  Most of us can recite our history but how many truly drink from the immortal draught?

Cy

You might enjoy this book. It's a real page turner !

Symbols, sex and the stars...

http://www.amazon.com/Symbols-Sex-Stars-Ernest-Busenbark/dp/1585093351
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Post by: DiabloLoco on April 25, 2015, 09:00:09 pm
Re transforming our rage:

-- It is in bringing the rage of what hurts you personally into the world that you have the power to bring neart, this active spirituality, out into the world.  -- from a speech by Nuala Ahern, Irish member of the European Parliament.


Neart = Power ?
I think that she is referring to "ka" (for those that read Stephen King), or "ki" for those that have studied martial arts or have watched any Dragon Ball. :mellow:

Ki as known with the oriental tradition is an accurate definition and use but also think of it in terms beyond just the body as part of a fundamental component of the universe.
Yup. I did. That's why I included the Dragon Ball reference. :mellow: I doubt that you have seen any of it. Not to sound sexist, but it's more of a guy show (anime).
(http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-spirit-bomb-13.png)
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Post by: sovereignbastard on April 25, 2015, 09:06:14 pm
sexism, racism, discrimination do not exsist. They are nothing more than beliefs. We all should be allowed to have our beliefs without having to apologize for our views, thoughts, beliefs. It' s amazing how the government loves to codify and indoctrinate us based on our beliefs. sticks and stones man, sticks and stones !
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 25, 2015, 09:09:18 pm
Re transforming our rage:

-- It is in bringing the rage of what hurts you personally into the world that you have the power to bring neart, this active spirituality, out into the world.  -- from a speech by Nuala Ahern, Irish member of the European Parliament.


Neart = Power ?
I think that she is referring to "ka" (for those that read Stephen King), or "ki" for those that have studied martial arts or have watched any Dragon Ball. :mellow:

Ki as known with the oriental tradition is an accurate definition and use but also think of it in terms beyond just the body as part of a fundamental component of the universe.
Yup. I did. That's why I included the Dragon Ball reference. :mellow: I doubt that you have seen any of it. Not to sound sexist, but it's more of a guy show (anime).
(http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-spirit-bomb-13.png)


ROFL.  Well, I think I can relate a bit more to your Dragon Ball reference than to "symbols, sex, and stars" 

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Post by: sovereignbastard on April 25, 2015, 09:11:54 pm
to each their own I guess...
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 25, 2015, 09:16:21 pm
sexism, racism, discrimination do not exsist. They are nothing more than beliefs. We all should be allowed to have our beliefs without having to apologize for our views, thoughts, beliefs. It' s amazing how the government loves to codify and indoctrinate us based on our beliefs. sticks and stones man, sticks and stones !

hmmm.  I agree with you on the comment about sexism, racism, and discrimination do not exist.  But I'm not making the connection on what this or the government codifying/indoctrinating us via our beliefs has to do with the discussion of Elias's project idea.  This idea isn't the governments and it certainly would not benefit the criminals monopolizing governance or operating the mind war on the general population.

Cy
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Post by: sovereignbastard on April 25, 2015, 09:20:24 pm
Just in response to diablos comment about not wanting to be viewed as sexist for his dragonball z comment... It seemed like a natural fit, but that is just one individuals take on the whole shebang !
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Post by: DiabloLoco on April 25, 2015, 09:21:57 pm
Just in response to diablos comment about not wanting to be viewed as sexist for his dragonball z comment... It seemed like a natural fit, but that is just one individuals take on the whole shebang !
I understood your sentiments.
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 25, 2015, 09:25:30 pm
Just in response to diablos comment about not wanting to be viewed as sexist for his dragonball z comment... It seemed like a natural fit, but that is just one individuals take on the whole shebang !

ah ok thanks!
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Post by: StillaGhost on April 25, 2015, 11:19:24 pm
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Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on April 26, 2015, 12:11:51 am
Yeah, DBZ aired when I was an early teen, and then came to the US in my college years.  This was the original "surpass your limits" and "there's always a bigger fish" version of the asskicking and ninja shows which became popular in the USA during the 80's.  Probably the original inspiration for the ninja turtles too (before the swat teams decided to dress in turtle drag.)

With that said, there's a lot to be said for DBZ (DB original was more "cutesy" and only got deadly serious in Z, and got uber serious with overtones of the original in GT... which was nice since it was more to the point than Z.)

A whole bunch of the later show even deals with the concept of "people with power don't really give a shit about fame."  This applies to pretty much the entire protagonist group.  Even Vegeta, who is the epitome of the egomaniacal psycho, mostly just cares about being the baddest dude, and doesn't care to earn the recognition of the weak.  The only respect the dude cares about is the respect of his peers... which largely means Son Goku and nobody else.

For an anime, its very old school, and like most of the cookie cutter martial arts animes that followed in its tracks, Z is most assuredly less serious in tone than say, the better Gundam shows (Wing and SEED are epic, as was the original series, other than their penchant for reusing frames, and having a few "Mary Sued" characters who are downright too badass to die), and of course, Noir (fansubs were better), all of which handle the political infighting and dirty backstabbing with far more gusto than the earlier cheerier 80's shows.  Then again, we were their audience, and we all grew up, got older, more awake to the evil around us, so the tone of our fiction has taken a clue from our reality.

Since we're on the subject:
Ki is japanese, Qi is chinese (read Chi), Prana is the Hindu term, Vril (Vrill) is the term used by the Nazis in their own occult research (from which 90% of modern science derived, along with the entirety of western civilization post Operation Paperclip & WW2) and life force, bioelectrical field, mental focus, soul energy or whatever, would be various forms through which various groups have referred to this concept.  One could even say that by observing that the Japanese martial artist more often focuses Ki for strikes, defense and self control, the chinese philosopher teaches Qi more as a mastery of the self, the Hindu teaches Prana as a way to ascend to another reality (I'm less familiar) and in the end, a lot of it deals with biorhythms and controlling them, with much of the art focusing on calming the mind, focusing it and controlling one's body ... and in most martial arts it starts with breathing properly.  Does it exist as a measurable thing???  I can't say.  Maybe we should get a crew together, kickstart a project and learn how to drop spirit bombs on sonzabitches what deserve it?  Though I'm sure there are days when every guy (and possibly a gal or two) on this forum has pondered how cool and awesome it'd be for righteous people to be able to drop a genki dama (or just a nice beam spam) on some ninja turtle wannabes who were thugging on some poor bastard who didn't deserve to be treated with evil.  Certainly would be nicer from the logistics standpoint.  Ki is free to the adept practitioner... ammo is heavy. :D

Say... maybe we really SHOULD hit Kickstartr for that sort of thing. :P  Be a worthier project than pining for elections and waiting for the State Science Institute to advance society with discarded or unfinished 80 year old Nazi research?

PS - yes, I'm having a good, cheerful and utterly playful day.
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Post by: Elias Alias on April 26, 2015, 12:28:53 am
why do you need anybody? somebody has to hold your little hand, or what? This sort of thing far too often leads to people having trouble with the cops, so beware. You are going to NEED that 'sixth sense", most likely.

GK, I'm not sure where you are coming from when you say this sort of thing ... leads to people having trouble with the cops. I've seen nothing illegal going on with this thread, and no threats against the cops, so please enlighten me to your meaning, okay? Thank you.

Now as far as needing someone to hold my little hand, your interjecton onto this thread is an attempt to hold our collective hand and it's actually a rude gesture on your part because no one on this thread needs to have anyone hold their hand.

Please only add constructive content. Thank you.

Salute!
Elias

(edited for spelling)
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Post by: Elias Alias on April 26, 2015, 12:47:04 am
why do you need anybody? somebody has to hold your little hand, or what? This sort of thing far too often leads to people having trouble with the cops, so beware. You are going to NEED that 'sixth sense", most likely.

 
 
  Go beat your chest in another thread , god knows that you've shit on about every thread within the forum by now. Of course that's your usual modus operandi.
 
  Instead of naming the boards of a survival or firearms orientation you've been thrown off of since the late '90s lets just name one you *haven't* been tossed off of.
 
  So you run up on this thread where folks are now getting down to a fruitful discussion ( one that's far , far over your head) and decide to f*** it up too.............fine I'll just turn your ass back over to the script kiddies over towards /b/.....should keep you busy for a while...........AGAIN.

Thank you for being protective for the development of this thread, but your attack on GK's insensitivity may have been unnecessary, imo. And it added yet one more post which is off-topic  to the thread. Isn't that what a troll would want? I'll handle any obtuse variances from the thread's theme. I am not here very often due to being overworked already, so I'm not familiar with GK's history here at TMM. Hopefully he will take a hint. If not, he'll be history, I promise.

This is a very important thread, and it bears much fruit already. I've just now read the whole thing and will go back over it again this weekend and address some excellent posting here. Meanwhile, tonight I've got two writing deadlines which are consuming me and they are time sensitive. I will try to be more involved here as best I can.

And btw, I do have some very good developments to introduce to the thread. I am beginning, with your help, to see a plan for organizing a "sword" which we can take viral. I'll explain soon.

Salute!
Elias
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Post by: Elias Alias on April 26, 2015, 12:59:08 am
I would like to thank Cyrellys for carrying the thread in my absence. I also would like to offer readers here a glimpse of her character by recommending everyone read this article by Cyrellys at my personal website:

https://eliasalias.com/2014/11/17/cyrellys-old-world-celt/

Cy truly is "ROAR", and her "sword" is a mighty weapon of truth.

(https://eliasalias.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Cyrellys.jpg)

I'll be back shortly, with new content for this discussion.
Salute!
Elias
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 26, 2015, 03:49:40 am
Thank you Elias and you're most welcome.

As to my current background, I am the instigator for the multi-national group Manticore Group, an editor and writer at Manticore Group's blog.  Another piece I recently crafted was a response to a letter that written by Randy Conway and published on Q-Alerts.  https://manticoregroup.wordpress.com/2014/12/23/i-can-tell-you-where-america-has-gone/

Recently I've been working with another writer on several WWII film scripts that are being prepared for production in Europe.  After that I'll be involved in another project which will produce a series of film scripts on The Liberty Kings: a series of biographies on individuals throughout human history whose lives and choices set the foundations for the principles about liberty, individual sovereignty, and character values extant in the Celtic tradition. 

These pieces are being designed to complement the research, books, films and educational videos being created by others at this time within the American Liberty Community.  The whole composite of everyone's work arriving to become a veritable library of resources upon which this nation and the rest of the world may draw for societal strengthening, intervention, and if necessary...rebuilding after collapse.  Our world needs the re-affirmation of roots that lay nearly obscured by time for all those things which we truly value.  These stories will return awareness of these roots to the people and in a manner that can be familiar to us; interconnected to the needs of our current paradigm and everyone within it.

Other writings of mine may be found at hubpages.com and at Open Minds Forum at Forumotion.com

I've lived life in the deep end of the pool.  Suffice to say there's far more to what is happening than what is at the surface apparent.  The history of the condition of this nation runs back much farther than its existence.  And its future, the future of its people will have a profound impact upon this world, particularly if the awake and aware cannot hold the line in this war.

Cyrellys
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Post by: MamaLiberty on April 26, 2015, 02:03:58 pm
   We're losing whole generations as far as the ability to think critically.

Parts of generations, probably, but not all of them by any means. I know about 100 homeschooled young folks, from ages 2 to 20, and they can most certainly think critically...  And I'm very sure there are a lot more of them. I'm sure there are a number of children who manage to see the truth in spite of government schooling.  I think a number of us survived that conditioning - so can others.

Quality, not quantity. No way to save the world. Help as many as you can, obviously, but don't worry about the lemmings going off the cliffs.
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Post by: DiabloLoco on April 26, 2015, 02:11:17 pm
   We're losing whole generations as far as the ability to think critically.

Parts of generations, probably, but not all of them by any means. I know about 100 homeschooled young folks, from ages 2 to 20, and they can most certainly think critically...  And I'm very sure there are a lot more of them. I'm sure there are a number of children who manage to see the truth in spite of government schooling.  I think a number of us survived that conditioning - so can others.

Quality, not quantity. No way to save the world. Help as many as you can, obviously, but don't worry about the lemmings going off the cliffs.
I survived the indoctrination. My kids will too.
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Post by: StillaGhost on April 26, 2015, 03:57:42 pm
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Post by: MamaLiberty on April 26, 2015, 04:06:09 pm
the youth and children however are worth making an attempt , the educational , moral and ethical investment will pay large dividends down the road.......at least I feel it will , could be wrong though.

Anyone can attempt to reach as many as they wish... the bottom line, however, is that none of us can reach very many. Good luck with it, of course. I've done the best I can at it all my life. Don't have too much to show for the effort, unfortunately.
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Post by: StillaGhost on April 26, 2015, 04:23:58 pm
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 26, 2015, 10:34:35 pm

 
 These...........( credit to Cyr) , the core values inherent in 'most every Warrior culture the world 'round , some of whom were highly developed as regards societal structures. Examine if you will the similiarities between actual application of the concepts of Bushido and the similar concepts applied within the structure of the Celtic and or Nordic tribes , or many others for that matter.
 
  But I digress , the above is a different discussion for a different time.
 
  Insofar as " Mindwar"  , perhaps the first hurdle is the fact that the majority of JQP is unaware of when and how they are being gamed. And quite frankly they'd rather remain blissfully unaware rather than face up to the manipulation present in their everyday lives.
 
  I seriously doubt that there is a single individual present here that hasn't faced the " you're wearing a tinfoil hat , dude!" scenario at some point when these subjects have been broached with the unknowing.
 
   A tangent consideration , though y'all may think I'm out of my tiny little mind , is the relatively constant fomentation of the divisions within our society. It serves the PTB purpose to have folks at each others throats over arbitrary issues such as religion , race , ideology , party affiliation etc.etc.
 
   How to counter that particular aspect of the MindWar campaign currently being conducted upon the unsuspecting public is a huge undertaking.
 
 
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 The values surrounding the focus include:

Honor (a "face" value of the individual to the community sometimes called "reputation", as well as the product of exercise of moral code and authority)

Loyalty (steadfastness, inalienable property, authentic, unchangeable, dependable)

Hospitality (altruistic, approachability, ability to deal with strangers without hostility)

Justice (coair - in accordance with truth: truth being a cosmic indisputable rightness which human behavior must seek to imitate; also "properly ruled", in conformity with right)

Courage (to measure to reckon, to maintain control over one's emotional mood; a certain hardness or bloodthirstyness with regard to strength in endurance of Character; spirit and mettle)
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This piece linked below was written up by an Irish scholar; it's one of the best I've seen printed on the ancient celtic concepts of identity and the relationship of the individual within the greater whole resulting in the concepts of natural rights, the connection of soul to soul, and the responsibility of the individual to the greater whole.  These match the historical concepts carried to America with the Old Irish.  The content of the article strips away the modern mythos heaped upon the culture and presents the roots to which the core values are tied in a way that allows the definition of identity to speak for itself in how it runs within us. 

http://wayshelter.com/CulturalDirectory/Kitchen/Celtic_Metaphysic.htm

The libraries of my kinsmen are gone but there are still pieces of evidence out there which support the concepts by which we live today.

One of the things that my people historically maintained, were personal libraries upon which each clan could draw.  Historical and modern works on concepts or arguments we value today are not something that is at this time easily accessible to the layman.  One thing that could be considered is assembling a public freely accessible online library which anyone could read online.  It could be arranged by subject or by argument and cover all the pertinent issues for either the mentor to recommend to whoever they are assisting or for the singular investigator exploring of their own accord.

Cy
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Post by: StillaGhost on April 26, 2015, 11:06:55 pm
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 26, 2015, 11:46:50 pm

 
   A website as a repository of knowledge would be an almost crucial component , 'course it would have to be guerillaed up the hit rankings based on keywords such as freedom , Libertarianism , liberty.

One of the best ways to push a website up the hit rankings is to write engaging or useful content articles on the various contents of the site, linking to those site contents pertaining.  You publish the articles at other various locations around the web and by different authors.  Articles are under 1500 words, usually around 800 words.  Each article is then promoted on other sites like linkedin, twitter, stumbleupon, and a hundred social networking or link houses.  A team of three to five authors doing this can divy up the work and make it look easy sending a website near viral.  One person doing it alone would find it a chore.  A team could spend a day or two per week actively promoting the site and call it good.

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Post by: Felinenation on April 27, 2015, 03:50:21 pm
Here's one of the ways I try to fight the mental war:  commenting on news articles.  Perhaps some of you folks do so as well.  Most newspapers have an online version where readers can post comments.  Example:

http://www.news-herald.com/opinion/20150423/editorial-dont-mess-with-concealed-carry-law

I, and another person, have posted comments on this editorial which opposes a Vermont-style carry bill in Ohio.  On this newspaper site, you can use an anonymous nom de guerre.    Yes, the paper does have to approve the comment, but they did post these.

Who knows what the results might be, but maybe comments like these will get some people thinking.
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Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on April 28, 2015, 01:08:36 am
Here's one of the ways I try to fight the mental war:  commenting on news articles.  Perhaps some of you folks do so as well.  Most newspapers have an online version where readers can post comments.  Example:

http://www.news-herald.com/opinion/20150423/editorial-dont-mess-with-concealed-carry-law

I, and another person, have posted comments on this editorial which opposes a Vermont-style carry bill in Ohio.  On this newspaper site, you can use an anonymous nom de guerre.    Yes, the paper does have to approve the comment, but they did post these.

Who knows what the results might be, but maybe comments like these will get some people thinking.

And to complement this remark... please, pretty please, for the love of whatever you do or don't worship... please don't engage in flame wars on comment sections.  Nothing discredits your point better than engaging in flame wars.  Nothing derails good threads better than name calling and aggressive trolling.  Make your point, be cold, calm, cool, calculated and thought out.  Let the bad guys prove what idiots they are when they engage in slander and name calling.  Nothing makes you look better than making a point and being downright calm while the rest of the world is up in flames around you.
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Post by: StillaGhost on April 28, 2015, 01:57:00 pm
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Post by: MamaLiberty on April 28, 2015, 02:47:04 pm

   Still quite a bit of mental capability setting on the sidelines lurking , not to mention a few that are no longer present that it might be beneficial to drag back for this project.

Can I watch? LOL   :popcorn:

Seems we can attempt to invite some back, but I don't think "drag" is going to work. :)

I've invited a large number of formerly active members to come back. Might help if more of us did that. You think?
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Post by: Silver on April 28, 2015, 03:26:16 pm
If the goal is "push a website up the hit rankings" count me out.
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Post by: StillaGhost on April 28, 2015, 03:35:58 pm
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 28, 2015, 05:07:29 pm
If the goal is "push a website up the hit rankings" count me out.

 
  Disagree , the actual goal is to disseminate the information in a form that folks can actually " connect the dots" and come to some conclusions themselves.
 
   If the hypothetical website comes up on the first page of results when someone googles " freedom" .............or liberty , libertarianism etc.then the information may have a wider degree of dispersal.


"the actual goal is to disseminate the information in a form that folks can actually " connect the dots"

I agree.  At the same time, my caveat:  every person who is awake and aware perceives the paradigm somewhat differently.

For example.  Some people equate some of the factions within the NWO crowd with zionism.  Others do not, and may see them in different terms such as a variety of nazi international, british or european banking interests, deep state'rs involved in the contact paradigm and on down the line.  So the line of dots is going to have variations based on perceptive position and knowledge base from which that perception takes place.  This is why I suggested a library where the various patterns may co-exist with their respective supporting points AND they may reside for the purpose of comparing notes and allow for perceptional evolution.  As new information becomes available the various perception of paradigm patterns would be free to evolve and those actors out there who are making decisions in the face of paradigm issues or problems may draw their own conclusions based on their own review and take on the situation.  IN other words there is only presentation and no dictating of what they take away.  For example: Someone who is libertarian and operates only with classical sources is not going to perceive the paradigm situation in the same light as someone coming out of USAPs or from the several research groups operated by either Richard Dolan or Jim Mars or singular investigators like Joseph Farrell.  We don't solve the problem of presenting or allowing for information if there is not room for the various versions of truth.  If we cannot do that then there is probably little point in doing any of it BECAUSE we cannot make the interconnections with each other and be united on our commonalities in the face of abject tyranny because our egos cannot allow for variances in views and knowledge bases. 

What happens if we cannot unite on the shield wall?  Tyranny then does what it has always done...it continues to pick us off one by one.  And it wins.  The factionalization I see in the liberty community at this time is the noose that will hang every single one of us.  It already does irreparable harm to the over-all cause in the eyes of the uninformed general population.  IT makes everyone look bad because they don't see the narratives at all (those get lost in the infighting).  They only see the knock-down, drag-out, bar room brawls that rage across the net.

What is that definition of insanity...“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”

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I also agree with SaG about the leadership.  It is an astute tactic.  As long as we are not involved in a crisis we have the luxury of the leadership exchange hands to allow the strengths of each to match the respective problem.  Might as well take advantage of that as long as we can!

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Now here is my next question, what does this group believe should be done when it comes to any need of real-time actors when the work they are involved in face aspects of the mindwar?

For example (and not set in stone!):  the counter Jade Helm investigators running into the narratives presented by active duty mil depicting a different conclusion than the evidence being spot-lighted by the investigators?  Is this something the group could address in the mind war?  What about other pre-conflict needs that might be able to help prevent open conflict?  OR worst case scenario in the event of open conflict?  Mindwar doesn't cease just because open conflict erupts.  We know this from examples in WWII.

Cy
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 28, 2015, 05:45:13 pm
If the goal is "push a website up the hit rankings" count me out.

 
  Disagree , the actual goal is to disseminate the information in a form that folks can actually " connect the dots" and come to some conclusions themselves.
 
   If the hypothetical website comes up on the first page of results when someone googles " freedom" .............or liberty , libertarianism etc.then the information may have a wider degree of dispersal.


"the actual goal is to disseminate the information in a form that folks can actually " connect the dots"

I agree.  At the same time, my caveat:  every person who is awake and aware perceives the paradigm somewhat differently.

For example.  Some people equate some of the factions within the NWO crowd with zionism.  Others do not, and may see them in different terms such as a variety of nazi international, british or european banking interests, deep state'rs involved in the contact paradigm and on down the line.  So the line of dots is going to have variations based on perceptive position and knowledge base from which that perception takes place.  This is why I suggested a library where the various patterns may co-exist with their respective supporting points AND they may reside for the purpose of comparing notes and allow for perceptional evolution.  As new information becomes available the various perception of paradigm patterns would be free to evolve and those actors out there who are making decisions in the face of paradigm issues or problems may draw their own conclusions based on their own review and take on the situation.  IN other words there is only presentation and no dictating of what they take away.  For example: Someone who is libertarian and operates only with classical sources is not going to perceive the paradigm situation in the same light as someone coming out of USAPs or from the several research groups operated by either Richard Dolan or Jim Mars or singular investigators like Joseph Farrell.  We don't solve the problem of presenting or allowing for information if there is not room for the various versions of truth.  If we cannot do that then there is probably little point in doing any of it BECAUSE we cannot make the interconnections with each other and be united on our commonalities in the face of abject tyranny because our egos cannot allow for variances in views and knowledge bases. 

What happens if we cannot unite on the shield wall?  Tyranny then does what it has always done...it continues to pick us off one by one.  And it wins.  The factionalization I see in the liberty community at this time is the noose that will hang every single one of us.  It already does irreparable harm to the over-all cause in the eyes of the uninformed general population.  IT makes everyone look bad because they don't see the narratives at all (those get lost in the infighting).  They only see the knock-down, drag-out, bar room brawls that rage across the net.

What is that definition of insanity...“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”

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I also agree with SaG about the leadership.  It is an astute tactic.  As long as we are not involved in a crisis we have the luxury of the leadership exchange hands to allow the strengths of each to match the respective problem.  Might as well take advantage of that as long as we can!

****

Now here is my next question, what does this group believe should be done when it comes to any need of real-time actors when the work they are involved in face aspects of the mindwar?

For example (and not set in stone!):  the counter Jade Helm investigators running into the narratives presented by active duty mil depicting a different conclusion than the evidence being spot-lighted by the investigators?  Is this something the group could address in the mind war?  What about other pre-conflict needs that might be able to help prevent open conflict?  OR worst case scenario in the event of open conflict?  Mindwar doesn't cease just because open conflict erupts.  We know this from examples in WWII.

Cy



Let me share a small taste of what I was describing above.  The following is an excerpt from a current discussion about a facet of the mosaic being assembled by one group within the awake and aware broader community from within one branch of which there are innumerable branches...if we allow only one narrative, then the general population is not served because the paradigm missing pieces still is capable of remaining an acting in ways that are non-sensical...

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Date:  Today
to me, --- Withheld ------

I am fleshing out ------ Withheld ---------

Some of this info underscores what you said about hatred in a niche community...it poisons everybody and everything...We saw that with the Nazis and are seeing in aspects of the American Liberty movement today.

It is very interesting to note who was connected to Thule/Vril and some English secret societies... and links to Tibetans found dead in a bombed house in Berlin by Russian soldiers.  I found the link to that and then lost it.  The link was in a book called the Morning of the Magicians...there are attempts now to debunk the book as bullshit!

The Morning of the Magicians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   
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The Morning of the Magicians - Wikipedia, the free encyc...
The Morning of the Magicians, first published as Le Matin des magiciens, was written by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier in 1960. It became a best seller, first in...
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>>>Note:  I cannot vouch for some of this...it may be disinfo-use discretion.  However, we know that the Nazis went to Egypt, Tibet, and Antarctica in pursuit of something at great expense...Why?

Aha!  I found a PDF link to the book, which is almost impossible to find.

And this...

http://koreshan.mwweb.org/virtual_exhibit/vex3/ac-0130.pdf

Nazis of Tibet: A Twentieth Century Myth by Isrun Engelhardt
   
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Nazis of Tibet: A Twentieth Century Myth by Isrun Engelh...
The myth of a 'Nazi-Tibet connection' wherein the Tibetans and the Dalai Lama are both unjustly co-opted by the right wing and neo-Nazis, or demonized by the Left a...
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretsoc_20century/secretsoc_20century06.htm#CHAPTER 32

>>>Very Interesting Links...Some are in Spanish and may have to be machine translated...Antarctica!

Hollywood apparently made a film called The Secret Land documenting the Byrd expedition.  I have not been able to find a link and watch it, except for this doco.

A link on hollow earth...

Conclusions from "The Hollow Earth"
 
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Conclusions from "The Hollow Earth"
  by Dr. R.W. Bernard from The Hollow Trilogy from 2012Unlimited Website 
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The Secret Land (1950) Official report on operation High Jump
   
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>>>This link below opens the door to emf mind control technologies if you think about it.  It is also the foundation of emf flight control systems for advanced fighter jet weapons and navigation systems.  We saw these on display in the film FIREFOX.  Anyone possessing these system can out fly and outfight lessor adversaries, even if they are fly by wire craft!

Los Alemanes en La Antártica

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Los Alemanes en La Antártica
      por David Pascual de DavidPascual Website   La Antártica, (el polo sur), con sus 14 millones de Km2 sigue siendo el continente más enigmático y ...
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/human-intelligence-brain-schumann-resonances-signal.pdf

Transition to The Age of Frequencies - Schumann Waves, Weather and Mind Control

 
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Transition to The Age of Frequencies - Schumann Waves, ...
    by Grazyna Fosar and Franz Bludorf 1998 from Fosar-Bludorf Website       The year 1998 just began - surely a crucial year briefly before the turn ...
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The Aldebaran Mystery…?

 
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The Aldebaran Mystery…?
    by Jim Nichols from JimNicholsUFO Website           
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The Black Sun and The Vril Society

 
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The Black Sun and The Vril Society
    by Dee Finney from GreatDreams Website 
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The German Grasping at The Antarctic


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The German Grasping at The Antarctic
      from ThinkAboutIt Website       The Facts
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Foundations for Globally Managing Extraterrestrial Affairs - The Legacy of The Nazi Germany-Extraterrestrial Affairs

   
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    by Michael E.Salla, PhD July - 2003 from Exopolitics Website   Menu
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretsoc_20century/secretsoc_20century06.htm#CHAPTER 32

Cheers

[snip - identity withheld]

END QUOTE.

SOURCE:  LEO


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The reason I share the above with all of you is to illustrate with hard evidence what I was saying in my last post.  I do believe it was Moonbeam who made a rather astute remark about rabbit holes.  The more the hardcore researchers dig, the more they find.  There's a load of truth behind what is going on in the deconstruction of this nation that exceeds the realms of believability, but it is so real that for the last 100 plus years, people have been living lives and making decisions and carrying out plans which are rooted in the realm beyond believability for the general population.  The outcomes of perception change when the knowledge base contains different information.  This has been a historical problem.  The newbie or the long running freedom advocate says why is this paradigm still in place? 

The answer is because everyone is operating off a DIFFERENT library; a different knowledge base.  The truth is we're NOT a united people anymore.  WE've been divided by design and they play us for fools thinking that we cannot put the mosaic together and then unite ourselves in the face of the incongruity of the tyrants activities and operational designs.  They use the differences in beliefs about the paradigm against us and play us against each other.  Now we can keep letting them do that or we can turn this little alligator around and let it bite them in the arse instead.

Cy
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Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on April 28, 2015, 06:04:28 pm
Actually, if the more religious folk needed a practical "word" to use for the legal systems and other tyrannical constructs encroaching upon our lives from hidden (the latin word being "ocultus" and that being its original nuance in religious inquisition as well) meanings and hidden purposes, the word you're looking for is....

Sorcery.  The legal systems of non living (read: soulless) constructs being built which have more rights and more power than living men and women are indeed nothing more than the daemons of old.  Evil sorcerers have built their very own godlike beings, known as nation states, corporations, and other constructs built of nothing but the faith of those they tyrannize and those used to tyrannize.

The only reason this "sorcery" works, is the same as ever.  FAITH.  Nothing holds the invisible house of cards and false hopes up high on its foundation of hot air, than that.  FAITH.  BLIND FAITH.

If men were to be men, not stupid cattle, they'd pay attention, and the rebellion would be complete with belly laughs from all, and a few persistent bad guys getting shot instead of laughed at, when they keep trying to lay hands on folks who want "no touchy."

But until BLIND FAITH is eradicated and men grasp at their true birthright... that being KNOWLEDGE and real FAITH (faith in that which is and that which can be, not that which isn't and never was) all will remain mired in misery and sorrow.

Damn, I gotta stop talkin' like a preacher, eh?
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Post by: Cyrellys on April 28, 2015, 06:35:33 pm
Actually, if the more religious folk needed a practical "word" to use for the legal systems and other tyrannical constructs encroaching upon our lives from hidden (the latin word being "ocultus" and that being its original nuance in religious inquisition as well) meanings and hidden purposes, the word you're looking for is....

Sorcery.  The legal systems of non living (read: soulless) constructs being built which have more rights and more power than living men and women are indeed nothing more than the daemons of old.  Evil sorcerers have built their very own godlike beings, known as nation states, corporations, and other constructs built of nothing but the faith of those they tyrannize and those used to tyrannize.

The only reason this "sorcery" works, is the same as ever.  FAITH.  Nothing holds the invisible house of cards and false hopes up high on its foundation of hot air, than that.  FAITH.  BLIND FAITH.

If men were to be men, not stupid cattle, they'd pay attention, and the rebellion would be complete with belly laughs from all, and a few persistent bad guys getting shot instead of laughed at, when they keep trying to lay hands on folks who want "no touchy."

But until BLIND FAITH is eradicated and men grasp at their true birthright... that being KNOWLEDGE and real FAITH (faith in that which is and that which can be, not that which isn't and never was) all will remain mired in misery and sorrow.

Damn, I gotta stop talkin' like a preacher, eh?


There are legitimate concepts even the non-religious can take away from the historical experience of religion and I think you nicely illustrate the caveat with regards to FAITH of any kind.  That old pendulum sets to swinging when we allow other people or other constructs to do our thinking for us.  You also mentioned the object of the reasoning behind why the ancient Celts believed that the individual who resides within a reality has a responsibility TO that reality which is part of the natural rights and laws system: 

If men were to be men, not stupid cattle, they'd pay attention, and the rebellion would be...

The term you use for the constructs of tyranny and control is interesting.

You said, "Sorcery.  The legal systems of non living (read: soulless) constructs being built which have more rights and more power than living men and women are indeed nothing more than the daemons of old.  Evil sorcerers have built their very own godlike beings, known as nation states, corporations, and other constructs built of nothing but the faith of those they tyrannize and those used to tyrannize."

I say it's interesting because a friend involved in the email discussion I quoted regarding the Nazi history of the paradigm remarked on the constructs having more rights and more powers than living men and women in the following way (it was in examining the origins of The Organic Theory of State):

Quote:  Apparently, it was Karl Haushofer the academic expounding the notions of geopolitics who aligned the Nazis with the Japanese as allies in dominating the world

After the establishment of the Nazi regime, Haushofer remained friendly with Rudolf Hess, who protected Haushofer and his wife from the racial laws of the Nazis[citation needed], which deemed her a "half-Jew". During the pre-war years Haushofer was instrumental in linking Japan to the Axis powers, acting in accordance with the theories of his book Geopolitics of the Pacific Ocean.

The more I know of Nazi Germany, the less I know and I thought I knew a lot...  I knew about Haushofer, was familiar with his work (Organic State Theory-- Organic theory of the state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), but I did not know the Nazi links to Japan came from him!  I always wondered about the Nazi-Japanese links, as they seem antithetical to each other.
 
Organic theory of the state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Organic Theory of the State is a species of political collectivism which maintains that the state transcends individuals within the State in power, right, or priority. It is often traced to Hegel, though it has links to such ancient thinkers as Plato, and has been strongly in


Off to do some multi-tasking - I'm white washing my foundation today, bbl. 

Cy
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Zefferon on May 16, 2015, 04:45:19 pm
Welcome to the Storm, Cyrellys.

I, too, am Celtic.
Father's side: Davis (Welsh)
Mother's side: Clan Buchanan

I have a strong warning for anyone engaging in psychological operations.
Do not try to engage them head-on.
They have the Tavistock Institute. They have been refining this for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
You can't beat them at their own game. They have far too much POWER.

They don't care about protests and riots. They keep a close eye on technology.
They don't have fear. They DO have dread. Dread of systems forming outside of their control.
They don't care about being challenged. They HATE being blindsided.

The worst thing you can do is produce a bunch of armchair psychologists.

COMPARTMENTALIZATION
It is one of the most effective systems used by the globalists. You need to
do the same. People who have spatial brains need to be kept physically
& socially seperate from reptillian-brained people.
Example:
 Manager: "Have we fixed the firewall?"
 Cyrellys: "Our computer theorist replaced the BIOS."
 Manager: "Wow, we can do that? When do I get to meet 'em?"
 Cyrellys: "You don't."
 Manager: "WHAT? Why?"
 Cyrellys: "It is a protected asset. Access to it is restricted."

COVER JOBS
There are thousands of Americans right now who are being brutally psychologically
tortured. They need to be removed from those environments and transfered to other
parts of the country where access to them can be cut off. The witness protection
programs need to be modified for this.
A cover job is not a career. THIS IS CRITICAL. People need to be able to do subsistence
jobs that they can remain completely detatched from in a romantic context.

BUSINESS TAKEOVERS
I get solicitations from Oathkeepers for Sugar Pine.
I get solicitations from CSPOA.
I get solicitations from ALIPAC.
Enough already.
Our organizations should be completely self-supportive by skimming money from
front companies. OUR front companies.
Just in the last few minutes:
CRAIGSLIST: vending routes(Methuen/Salem), AUTO REPAIR(Bow), Plumbing business,Transmission Shop(concord),
Cafe/Restaurant(Concord), Lanscaping Business, THE HITS JUST KEEP ON COMMIN
We form a consortium, we buy businesses, we use our technology to slash the cost of
running them, we transform them from 90% manage-load to 10% manage-load.
They seem like just another business to an outsider.
The same as Jane Goodall when she blended in with the chimps.

HERE'S A TAKE ON 911 FROM A PHYSICIST:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsDtvu2uTuA

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Ki as known with the oriental tradition is an accurate definition and use but also think of it in terms beyond just the body as part of a fundamental component of the universe.
Try this exercise:
Find a nice, quiet place, preferably dark, where you can sit or lie down. Stretch your arms straight out 90deg from your sides. Imagine a glowing ball of energy in each hand. Form a ribbon of energy across your chest linking the globes. This is the base of a triangle. Extend columns of gold energy from the globes in your hands straight up into the sky. Join the columns of energy into a vertex, hundreds of miles out into the sky. Concentrate. Solidify them. A pulsating blue cluster of energy will form at the apex. From your dantian, send a pulse of energy up the columns to resonate with the cluster.
THE RETURN PULSE SHOULD FEEL LIKE A KICK IN THE CHEST. You will get a hard tingling in your chest that will shoot out to your hands & feet.

Music might help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGBM5vWiBLo
Try to sync your pulse with the piano riff in the middle of the song.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on May 17, 2015, 11:36:00 am
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Zefferon on May 17, 2015, 12:38:46 pm
Your cherry-picking.

The qigong exercise is meant mainly for Cyrellys, and a few other members of the forum who have prior experience with that aspect of martial arts.
Mushin No Shin is another aspect. I am very good at it. A well-rounded martial artist makes use of all mental as well as physical techniques.

The recommendation of compartmentalization IS a constructuive contribution.
We have the FIRST STAGE of compartmentalization on this forum right now. It's called PMs - personal messages.
The SECOND STAGE of compartmentalization is happening naturally - members of this forum are changing their perceptions of each other as new abilities become obvious - AND SUPERFICIAL ABILITIES ARE BEING SEEN FOR WHAT THEY ARE - HALF-ASS.
At some point in the future, meeting each other in person will be arranged. I'm not sure which stage of compartmentalization this is. Personal meetings will EXCLUDE some people on purpose, and that is compartmentalization. The CRITICAL stage of compartmentalization will be reached when we can send people to specific locations in the country to perform specific tasks.

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What about a Wiki type format for the information we have to present to the public?
I second that. Have you made one? Where is it?
It's not enough to just make a wiki, it needs to be insinuated into the general public. That is done by making entries into other internet processes that link back to the wiki.
I will make contributions to that wiki based upon my knowledge of computer science. I will run my drafts by Bill St. Clair to get his advice on format and content.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on May 17, 2015, 02:22:52 pm
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on May 17, 2015, 06:40:36 pm
Shiver my timbers shiver my sides there are hungers as strong as the winds and tides!....
Shiver my timbers shiver my bones, there are secrets that sleep with old Davy Jones...
When the main sails set and the anchor's weighed there's no turning back from any course that's laid!
   Sea Shanty - Shiver My Timbers:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVEqGH6MAL8

Gentlemen, the argument is moot.  Infighting over human hungers lays a course toward mutual destruction.  Every culture on this world throughout its history has their methods of working with the harmonic energies of the fabric of our reality.  Not so long ago, the scientific establishment wouldn't give Chi/Ki a time of day, let alone the celtic versions of Bri and Bau. 

Zefferon you may pm me on the topic of the practices of utilization of this energy, meetings(?) or create another thread for these and send me an invite (I'm not versed on all threads here at MM).  If I am being addressed I will attend if notified.

And in the meantime we may address the two current objects relating to our primary subject matter of Mindwar Resistance ideas and related methodologies:  a wiki, and compartmentalization.

StillaGhost, a wiki is an idea I too like the thought of.  Could you flesh out for us your idea?  I just yesterday referred Susan Lindauer of the Covert Report on Truth Frequency Radio and all of her listenership to Elias's central thread of Mindwar to review his material there.  Many people however no longer frequent forums but still use wiki's frequently so I think this is a viable idea you have here.  My 2 hour interview by Susan Lindauer:

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Cyrellys Geibhendach, this morning on The Covert Report with Susan Lindauer host discussing Yellowstone helium 6 scenario, Jade Helm 15, and Operationalize CONUS. http://truthfrequencyradio.com/the-covert-report-w-susan-lindauer-51960/

And as Zefferon suggested it would need to be integrated.  This can be done via writers producing short informative articles that link to it, and the writing of other materials that link to it or reference it as supporting their content.  Produce 40 or 50 links or stand alone references to the material across the net and you'll likely succeed in sending the concept and its details viral.

A fine tucadh claidhim nuadad.  FiOs.

Cyrellys






Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Zefferon on May 17, 2015, 07:04:10 pm
No threats were made.

Pages that link to "Wolfekipedia" seems to be empty. That needs work.

I am trying to define systems that turn psychological factors OFF in order to prevent time being wasted trying to influence systems psychologically that were disconnected from that influence a long time ago. For instance, I think trying to influence the global warming crowd is a lost cause.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on May 17, 2015, 07:19:30 pm
No threats were made.

Pages that link to "Wolfekipedia" seems to be empty. That needs work.

I am trying to define systems that turn psychological factors OFF in order to prevent time being wasted trying to influence systems psychologically that were disconnected from that influence a long time ago. For instance, I think trying to influence the global warming crowd is a lost cause.

Could you provide for us two lists so that we can follow your thinking...

a.  The systems you're trying to define
b.  The psychological factors you're intent is to turn OFF.

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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on May 17, 2015, 10:48:53 pm
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on May 17, 2015, 10:59:27 pm
No threats were made.

Pages that link to "Wolfekipedia" seems to be empty. That needs work.

I am trying to define systems that turn psychological factors OFF in order to prevent time being wasted trying to influence systems psychologically that were disconnected from that influence a long time ago. For instance, I think trying to influence the global warming crowd is a lost cause.

 
 
   Bullshit , you tried that " when we meet face to face " gambit with the wrong individual , no matter how you attempted to veil it.
 
    And you're all over the map out in left field in Tin Foil HatLand. To manage to impart a usable degree of information one must first gain and hold the attention of the intended recipient(s) of that information. An approach that puts forth the perception of being shithouse mouse loony will bring no positive gains.


StillaGhost, he was in that part of his post addressing me.  And I for one fully understood what he was saying.  Not everyone here will.  It's not a requirement.  It's entirely ok to not understand that part of it.  We've taken that part of the conversation to pm.  You may let the tin foil demon you've got by the tail go.  There's not been any harm done here.

It is not a requirement to have and operate off the same knowledge or experience nor interpretation thereof base.  Your experience is different and it keyed to your own life themes.  Your truth contributes one brand of value, and his version another.  Together the world is richer and has great depth for the presence of both. 

Live and let live my friend.  Let's not lose each other in unnecessary dissonance.

Cy
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on May 17, 2015, 11:00:36 pm
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on May 17, 2015, 11:07:08 pm
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    Those are minutia for the already knowledgeable , and even then minor if factor.
 
  The more realistic approach is to define the basic information to be delivered , who such information should be oriented towards and method of delivery.

Yes that is one realistic approach.  I think it should be done.  But I would also still like to hear the items I inquired about.

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Said information , at least at the basic level , should be understandable by the layman one is trying to reach.

Yes I agree with this.  Most who are awake and aware have developed their own method of proficiency in the face of the Mindwar.  So much of this will be addressing the needs of the layman.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on May 17, 2015, 11:17:40 pm
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on May 18, 2015, 01:51:46 am
I was referring to the point he was addressing me rather than yourself.
I already said this conversation on that particular subject has been taken to pm.  Why are you still harping on it?  Is that not good enough?
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on May 18, 2015, 06:45:41 am
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: MamaLiberty on May 18, 2015, 07:04:08 am
My delete finger is tingling. You don't want my delete finger to tingle...

Can we get back to the actual topic? Or is "did not/did too" more important? Disagreements are one thing, and perfectly acceptable, but let's keep it civil please.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Bill St. Clair on May 18, 2015, 09:10:23 am
We already have a wiki, ready and waiting for new stuff. It's currently mostly Junker's creation, and he hasn't been here in a long time. It's ripe for new information, and the Table of Contents page has plenty of space for it.

https://thementalmilitia.com/wiki/Table_of_Contents

I check for changes every day. Haven't been any in a long long time.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on May 18, 2015, 09:34:19 am
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on May 18, 2015, 10:17:45 am
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Bill St. Clair on May 18, 2015, 10:50:58 am
   Bill , who can make changes to it? I looked it over and it looks to me like a very good start , perhaps the addition of a " Mindgames and Manipulation" sector might be of some benefit.

I had to shut down open registration (required for posting) a few years back to end needing to delete 20 spammers a day. As it says on the wiki's home page, "If you want to get an account, post a request, including your desired username, in the 'Wolfekipedia Registration' topic in the 'Bulletin Board'". That's https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=29824 . I'll create your account, and PM your initial password.

It's a wiki, so I would have preferred to keep registration open, but I got tired of the maintenance that entailed.

If it starts to need lots of moderation, I may ask for volunteers.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on May 18, 2015, 11:03:29 am
StillaGhost, you have many reasonable points in your argument above.  But is it not also a prime example of the concern over compartmentalism that Zefferon asked about?  Yes available information will speak for itself, but does it not do a disservice to those very available information sources when you run off those people whose narratives do not agree with your own?  Perhaps they're too "new age" for your own tastes.  Your narrative is more right in your view than that of another person...this is precisely how compartmentalization is done.  By using verbal force we weed out inconvenient narratives so that only our own are left to shine, truth be !@#$%^.  ???

Is this not also an example of the control you are uncomfortable with?  So when faced with what you at the outset believe is commentary involving or advocating social control you respond with your own equally controlling version?  I'm playing devils advocate here to illustrate how I routinely see this done in by BOTH sides in dialogs every time I turn around. 

It is not necessary to agree on narratives...only the common ground.  One person may speak language that resembles the new age crowd and you may speak a language that resembles the scientific establishment.  There are at times issues with both.  Each insists on reigning supreme and neither sees the evolution into silence and compartmenalization. 

StillaGhost, my personal policy has always been that no matter the individual's personal narrative, I am always approachable.  I will not denigrate another nor shut them out because of a difference in narrative or perspective.  You yourself are here because of this policy I keep.  No one should ever fear to speak to me.  Nor fear they must couch their words in one language or another.  There is an entire universe hidden behind the iron curtain of the 'digestible' narratives.  And one mans truth is rarely another's in precisely the same way...when truths become treason, and individual distinctiveness is banned, it is then that critical thinking is seen wielded as the very dissonance it was designed to prevent.

QUOTE from my very own husband:  (in regards to open dialog with my neighbors...for this is the end result of what we've observed here over the last two or three pages)  "You need to just keep your mouth shut.  These people only understand night and day.  That's it.  You must not tell them what we know or in the way we know it.  They will think you're crazy.  I have a business to protect and I just can't have that."

I said nothing for the sake of peace in our own household...but I was thinking.  What happens to the uninformed in our very own community?  As we drove past the grade school with the kids playing on their play ground I looked over at them and I thought, who will die because they didn't know and have an opportunity to make choices or preparations?  Who will die because I have been silenced? I have been silenced by one of my own who knows the score...

We're discussing the consequences and outcomes of compartmentalization.  It comes in many forms.  From the example here on this thread to the example I just described.  We are pigeon-holing people and establishing rifts in a once integrated society where it was once rich with the presence of ALL narratives.  But now it is only the digestible...the ones perceived more right by the more socially powerful. 

It is not the words of men that we need to be concerned most about.  IT is the silence.

Cyrellys
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: StillaGhost on May 18, 2015, 12:34:09 pm
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Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on May 18, 2015, 01:44:03 pm

 
   Look Cy , I'm not going through this with you again. I exerted zero degree of " control" , I could care less to have such a commodity. And quite frankly if voicing an objection to one who outright *advocates*  " exerting control" then that leaves me rather disappointed in your stance.
 
   The handmaiden to this is that AGAIN you seem to either misunderstand my emphasis , or flat out ignore it.
 
    Show me where I made an objection to a discussion of compartmentalisation?    Figure something out here , what I care about is the end result of all this and I don't have the freaking time to waste with anyone whomsoever that approaches these interactions with the standard " y'all are the great unwashed and I'm here to light your way out of Sodom and Gomorahh" schtick.......and so far that's how Z. comes across , and in case you haven't figured it out I don't really get on too well with types who'll try to run roughshod ,  I'd rather NOT get " off the sidewalk" for them and enjoy their flustered reaction.
 
    While we're at it.........."rifts in society" , define what you meant by " establish" said rifts?
 
  If you mean establish that they exist , hell a blind deaf and dumb human can figure that out , just look around. It's the prime reason behind the growing dissatisfaction and restless apathy of the Public at Large........
 
  If you mean to actually establish yet another " rift in society " then such a concept begs the question of " to what avail?"......


My criticism is only directed in this way to help you benefit from my 6 years of inter-group communication experience because you have a leadership position here.  This is to help you apply introspection to your own approach to communication.  I cannot address the actual intent behind what Zefferon was saying to me openly because you swooped in with your own interpretation, and if the environment communication is occurring in is disfunctional then it is the disfunction of the platform which must first be addressed before I can move forward.  You perceive this in such a way that you have decided I'm only addressing your reaction and assaulting your need for consistency in logic and reason.  I am not.  I am adjusting the perception of the entire forum here.  Elias noted that this community's power to influence the external world has waned because of the interactive communication within has subtly altered over time.  In my experience I have the background to see this also and see where some of the difficulty lies.  This is not an unsolvable problem.  I am using an active situation here to bring this form of difficulty to attention so that all may then see how our approach to interactive communication matters.  What you do with it after will be up to each of you and you will reap whatever you choose to sow.

The criticism is helping you to recognize Focal Vocabulary in use.  "Focal Vocabulary stems from a language's lexicon.  A dictionary of names for things, events, and ideas...all based on experiential perception or activities involving idiosyncratic groups and individuals." You may find extensive explanation of this in the book Anthropology, tenth edition The Exploration of Human Diversity, by Conrad, Philip, and Kottak on page 402.  "Speakers of particular languages use sets of terms to organize, or categorize, their experiences and perceptions.  Linguistic terms and contrasts encode (embody) differences in meaning that people perceive.  Reference Ethnosemantics.  Ethnosemantic domains (sets of related things, perceptions, or concepts named in a language) include kinship terminology and color terminology.  When we study such domains, we are examining how those people perceive and distinguish between kin relationships or colors."

"The ways in which people divide up the world -- the contrasts they perceive as meaningful or significant -- reflect their experiences.  Anthropologists have discovered that certain lexical domains and vocabulary items evolve in a determined order."

In this case, dissonance occurs when a bi-lingual individual attempts to interject his own perspective and the immediate response is verbally violent.  "Whether bilingual or not we all vary our speech in different contexts; we engage in style shifts.  In certain parts of Europe, people regularly switch dialects.  This phenomenon, known as diglossia, applies to "high" and "low" variants of the same language, for...." (snip from same book ref. above)

I'm pointing out that diglossia can apply to perceptual context as well.  We see this when paradigm narratives come into contact with each other.  What happens is each individual perceives their own perception as primal and absolute.  So we defend vehemently our own narrative at the exclusion (verbally) of all others.  This results in open conflict.  We use disparaging terms in the course of our defense and effectively by our verbal leadership cause a form of control to a dialog.  The approach or reaction we employ establishes the parameters for the dialog to which all participants are then expected to adhere.  This can and usually does effectively drive away those with an alternate perception of the governing paradigm.

Knowledge of linguistic relationships and perceptions is considered very valuable to the anthropological perspective.  They contribute to a holistic view of a paradigm and all of its components.  When we exclude perspectives, even if their stance and style of communicative contribution is in-congruent with our expectations we inhibit a true understanding, limiting our ability to make meaningful inferences about the nature of our purpose and intended outcome.

"The goal of effective speech is interaction."  From Principles of Effective Speech Ch. 2 in the book Basic Principles of Speech by Saratt, Saratt, and Foster.  Fourth Edition. pg. 35

"Our goal in speaking or listening may be immediate or distant, simple or complex."

"...the goal underlying even small talk may be far more distant and complex: establishing or maintaining the enterrelationships with oters that in themselves satisfy a basic human need; building a climate of good will as only a step toward achieving a specfic future goal; even avoiding a more intimate and far-reaching relationship."


"Coercion vs Interaction.  Communication inevitably exerts influence of some kind on human thinking, feelings, and overt behavior.  Both purpose and effects inevitably reach beyond the process itself."

The style of listening we employ sets the stage for effective interaction through communication.  The following two paragraphs are from the book Creating Competent Communication by Yoder, Hugenberg, and Wallace. pgs 72 and 73:

What are the differences between cognitive and expressive listening?
Cognitive listening focuses on the communicator and her message.  It does not focus on the feedback to the message.  It is our attempts at understanding the messages we perceive from others.  Expressive listening focuses on the response of the receiver of the message.  It is a verbal and/or non verbal demonstration of our understanding of the message.  Expressive listening communicates an actie involvement by the listener. 


"Transactional listening requires the cooperation of both people to create understandable and memorable messages.  Relating messages to the other person and the occasion, learning about each other through appropriate self-disclosure, and helping each other overcome obstacles to listening improves their listening.  Using language and nonverbal messages that make sense to each other (rather than just to yourself), asking for feedback and restatement, and using description and concrete (universal definitions) language helps clarify the message.  Creating involvement through vivid language and dynamic communication increase interest and memorability of the messages.  Transactional listening also requres that both people are motivated to communicate and that they demonstrate their desire to communicate with each other."

These are all under the rubric of skills for listening.  Rubric means "a standard of performance for a defined population"

Communication is possible even in the presence of differing perceptions or takes on the same paradigm or governing reality.  Our performance methods, the environment we present, and the obstacles we present will influence every outcome whether it is meaningful or unproductive.

I can say based on speaking with Zefferon via pm, your initial rapid response without clarification attributed an intent to his statements that was inaccurate.  It produced however a useful circumstance to attend to the condition of this community.  It now presents an opportunity to adjust our approach and begin again.

Cyrellys
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on May 18, 2015, 02:25:08 pm
What I mean by rifts is both small scale and large scale. P

Samuel Johnson remarked, "there can be no friendship without confidence, and no confidence without integrity."

On the small scale "the landscape is covered with the fragments of broken relationships of people who have tried.  They've tried to jump into effective relationships without the maturity, the strength of character, to maintain them...snip...you can't be successful with other people if you haven't paid the price of success with yourself."  Paradigms of Interdependance from the book 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: Powerful Lessons in Personal Change by Stephen R Covey

On the large scale I've been in the deep end of the pool and experienced the disconnect, the rift, between the experiential narratives of those with direct paradigm experience in real time and those who externally reap the outcome of the insiders.  I've seen the breakaway state first hand.  These rifts come from not the differences in experience or interpretation.  No.  They come from our difficulty in listening, communicating, and relating or allowing a different perspective and approach to contribute openly to the whole.  We in the public sphere allow these difficulties to establish a wholly preventable rift to form.  If one side or version is inhibited from speaking or contributing a small tear occurs.  When an entire venue such as the deep state or the special access projects are prevented from speaking or contributing without being attacked for their differences, then the tear becomes a chasm.  And when the silence ensues and no one bothers to attend to communication and interrelationships or interaction, then the rift is complete and each subsequent civilization goes their separate ways dooming themselves to someday come into catastrophic conflict.

Cy
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Cyrellys on May 18, 2015, 02:34:23 pm
To day we face a catastrophic conflict between the two occupants of both sides of the Great Rift.  (edit to add: I'm talking about civil war in this country)  Some of the coming conflict is justifiable.  Other portions of it is not...it was made out of ignorance and inflexibility.  What lessons can we here take away from that? 

I suggest there is a great deal we can take away from that lesson and apply right here in our simple dialogs on the resistance to the mindwar. 

We may begin by allowing each perspective of the paradigm to live and let live.  We can eliminate denigrating terminology that places another's perspective lower on the totem pole than our own.  It isn't complex to do.
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Post by: StillaGhost on May 19, 2015, 08:03:46 am
   
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Post by: Moonbeam on May 19, 2015, 04:17:31 pm
Humor. I am getting folks to think just using good ol' fashioned humor.

Cy-  Tahn brought up the suggestion of checking out the Libertyville thread. Good stuff in there, and I am willing to lend my voice!

http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=34719.0
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Post by: Zefferon on May 25, 2015, 09:19:43 pm
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Could you provide for us two lists so that we can follow your thinking...

a.  The systems you're trying to define
b.  The psychological factors you're intent is to turn OFF.

America was never a true republic.
It has always been a fake republic, and that is now destroying it.
A true republic has no caste. I'm using the word caste in the context of a state of existence,
not in the context of a social plan. Caste was the existence in America before the Constitution
took effect, and it remained so after the Constitution took effect.

What is caste? Caste is the natural human tendency for groups of people to organize
into dominance-submission relationships. This tendency is not learned behavior. It is
instinctual, and it is the polar opposite of living by un-alieanable rights.

Do to the fact that caste is a genetic characteristic, extremely hard measures need to
be taken to restrict, if not outright cancel, its effects on American Society.

SYSTEM 1: PRIVATE PROPERTY RESTRICTION
Private property is sacred. It is one of the bedrock foundations of a nation. Without hard
protections on private property, the nation falls apart.
Each of the fifty states needs to set aside 10% of its habitable land as Economic Restriction Zones.
Economic Restriction Zones consist of strictly restricted
parcels the intent of which is an ABSOLUTE minimum standard of living, a BASELINE.
In these zones, minimum parcels are absolutely defined. A minimum parcel
might be 20 ft by 50 ft. All of them have public access roads. Renting is ABSOLUTELY
prohibited. In order to live on a parcel you must be the owner. Most of them have utility
hookup. In some zones, minimum habitat (something that is intended to be used as
living quarters) is a trailer. In other zones, if you own the parcel, you can use whatever
you want for shelter. Sleep in your car. Sleep in a tent. Disposal of human waste is
ABSOLUTELY defined and regulated.
COVENANTS:
One Parcel, One Owner
In an economic restriction zone, only one person can own only one parcel. There will
be no instance of one person owning more than one parcel.
Complainers will cry "But I wanna buy ten of 'em!"
The state will respond "Yeah, we know that one. It resulted in a wrecked economy and
a shattered society."
Residential Only
No commercial or business structure allowed. Business-at-home must adhere to parking
limits.
No Property Improvements
If a zone is limited to house trailer, you cannot build a house on that parcel.
If you want to buy a property for the purpose of increasing property value for
a profit, buy one in the open market.
No Flat Rates
Utilities that service E.R.Z.s may only charge per units used.
None of this "We charge you a minimum of 10 kilowatt-hours per month."
Sewage service is regulated rate only, county owned only.
Smart Meters
BANNED
9 to 9 Noise Ordinance
No disruptive noise of any kind from 9pm to 9am. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Psychological Factors that are Cancelled
In other communities, spats between neighbors occur all the time.
In ERZs they are prohibited.
THIS SHIT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTWS_-Yl5J8
If the sheriff has to come out, somebody's goin downtown.
No Euphemisms
An Economic Restriction Zone is an ABSOLUTE BASELINE fundamental residential
parcel set for the purpose of anchoring individuals into private property
for the national general welfare.
It is not a homeless shelter, habitat for the mentally disabled, support community for
Mr Big Factory, tax base expansion for Greedy City, designated crime district, or
anything else. It IS what it SAYS it is.

Living in an ERZ is ABSOLUTELY voluntary. Nobody is forced to move into one. It is there
PRIMARILY for people who make the conscious decision to live in an economy that is
DELIBERATELY removed from the speculative market.

REFERENCES:
LAND AREA, 50 STATES: 3.532 BILLION ACRES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area
PER CAPITA, 2010 CENSUS: 7.32 ACRES PER PERSON
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Census
The Rentier State
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-07/critical-difference-between-rentier-wealth-and-wealth-creation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rentier_state
http://www.alternet.org/economy/how-true-parasites-private-sector-suck-system-dry
The Precariot
https://workingclassstudies.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/the-precariat-the-new-dangerous-class/
Usury History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7Bcx0wXBc
eGRID (Emissions & Generation Resource Integrated Database) (MEMORY-HOLED)
http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-resources/egrid/index.html
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Post by: Zefferon on May 25, 2015, 09:20:23 pm
Back to business.

YOUTUBE VIDEOS

Youtube videos have become one of the staples of social discourse.
Any mindwar will need to make youtube videos.

Here are some examples from other freedomistas:
911: Why it was done, who did it, and how
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk
Why fractional reserve banking ALWAYS wrecks nations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDtBSiI13fE
The real truth of WW2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ
Inside information from whistleblowers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pTBJmWVXhA
Independent investigations catch corrupt corporations red handed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS3jw01Bjtg
Constitutional analysis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgGnBCDfCLM

Youtube videos need to be triple-checked for facts.
A youtube video with factual errors is gonna lose credibility real quick.
Youtube videos need to be smart, clever, and to-the-point.

Demographics
Different youtube videos for different types of people.
The target audience.
Technical videos for the scientific minded.
Videos exposing waste & fraud for the business minded.
Spiritual videos for the religious minded.
Videos about farming in America for the naturalists minded.
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Post by: Zefferon on May 26, 2015, 08:34:19 pm
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Oh and your caste system elimination. Tell me are those who don't worship as you do to be equal citizens in your little utopia?

I don't worship anyone or anything.
There is no such thing as a utopia. It cannot exist.
There is no such thing as a panacea. Panaceas cannot exist.

Yes, they will be equal beings.
That is why the ERZs are entirely voluntary, and that is why the rules are spelled out up front.
No hidden regulations. No "yeah, buts...".
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Post by: Tahn L. on June 08, 2015, 02:31:16 pm
Elias,

  I have had a thought on another possible mind war concept.

Using Shorty Dawkins concept of a parallax meme, for youtube or wherever, have an audio reading of the Declaration of Independence but with video of current totalitarian tactics. SWAT teams kicking in doors, IRS agents seizing land, all visuals to coincide with the reading at the most appropriate places.

 May already be done. Just a thought for the Fourth of July.
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Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on June 18, 2015, 03:59:01 am
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Oh and your caste system elimination. Tell me are those who don't worship as you do to be equal citizens in your little utopia?

I don't worship anyone or anything.
There is no such thing as a utopia. It cannot exist.
There is no such thing as a panacea. Panaceas cannot exist.

Yes, they will be equal beings.
That is why the ERZs are entirely voluntary, and that is why the rules are spelled out up front.
No hidden regulations. No "yeah, buts...".

I boldfaced the self accepted lies which men have used to strive to achieve ever lower and less impressive results.  Good enough might be "good enough."  But good enough of today becomes the new "standard" tomorrow.  Then the good enough of tomorrow will become the new standard quality of the day after tomorrow.  By next year, mediocrity of today will be considered too high a standard to be attempting to achieve... therein lies the problem of the good enough.  Perfection may seem like too much, but there was a time when good quality was more readily available than the cheapest most mediocre stuff being the top of the line.  Hell there was a time when Honda made great engines and EXCELLENT cars.  Ford makes better cars now and GM is catching up (or Honda is falling behind?)

Remember that if you do not strive for perfection, and self refinement, then you are striving for the shitpile, like all the other excuse makers for why the world sucks.  The world sucks because "good enough" has been good enough for so many people.  Good enough is like voting for the less sucky of two future worlds.  Instead of striving for a GOOD world... we're just trying to find one that may suck less than the one we got.

That's how you end up with a crapsack world.  If you don't push for the best, you will continue to get worse and worse crap, from generation to generation, and sometimes much sooner than that.

Look at the ways of killing people, spying on people without their permission, brainwashing people, they've increased and been refined exponentially.  Meanwhile, take a look at cars.  The modern Toyota Camry gets "over 30" miles per gallon ON A GOOD DAY.  Our childhood mid 1980's Camry got 40+ on a bad day, with a loaded trunk and a family of 4 in it... even with air conditioning running, it was still more efficient than the new ones without.  WHAT HAPPENED!?  The old car wasn't as aerodynamic, it was an ugly boxy thing, yet it was more efficient, had much faster pickup, and it was cheap as dirt to own and operate and FUN TO DRIVE.  Again, the "good enough" is what happened here.  Compared to fuzzy steering and gas guzzling GM or even just a gas guzzling Ford (with the exception of the Escort cars which were responsive and fairly gas economic and Econoline work vans which were, at least, reliable) the old Toyotas and their contemporary Honda competitors were TOP OF THE LINE for bottom of the line price.  The mid 1990's and later Toyotas were no different than the American makes they once threatened to displace.  Inefficient, poorly responsive, and largely just as expensive.

WHAT GIVES?! 

Acceptance of the "good enough" morality... that's what gives!

And that's just a few examples.  I could name many, many more.
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Post by: Elias Alias on August 04, 2015, 06:14:34 am
Elias,

  I have had a thought on another possible mind war concept.

Using Shorty Dawkins concept of a parallax meme, for youtube or wherever, have an audio reading of the Declaration of Independence but with video of current totalitarian tactics. SWAT teams kicking in doors, IRS agents seizing land, all visuals to coincide with the reading at the most appropriate places.

 May already be done. Just a thought for the Fourth of July.

Hi Tahn,
Your idea is a good one. Sorry it took me so long to get back here and thank you for this post.
I can say that I'm learning to make videos now, and am actually making a movie which will be released in September -- it's just a "raw footage" type low-or-no-budget endeavor, but it's coming along nicely. I plan to sell it and hope sales go well. If the movie sells well, I'll talk with James Jaeger and/or Jim White of Northwest Liberty News about doing the movie you've suggested.
Tahn, I've got a lot going on, which is why I'm not here very much, but what I'm up to will result, if it's successful, in my being back here much more than I've been in years. I have not only the movie, but another surprise for all TMMers here, which I can announce sometime in September. I'm very excited, and want to build everyone's anticipation without telling folks yet just what the surprise is. Don't hate me for building suspense -- I'm wanting to get both the movie and the other surprise fully presentable before announcing them. It won't be long now, another six weeks or less. I think it will bring a smile to your face, Friend.

Then we can talk about your idea for the video. It is a good suggestion, and could make a powerful presentation.
Salute!
Elias
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Post by: slidemansailor on August 04, 2015, 09:09:28 am
Elias isn't the only one around here with movie-making capabilities.  Tahn's idea is a good one. It would be You-Tube size and could get a lot of attention there.

While the saying is "If you want to get something done, assign the task to a busy person. They are the ones getting stuff done."  All well and good, but we do have limits ... and quite often are running at their very edge.

 
Elias,

  I have had a thought on another possible mind war concept.

Using Shorty Dawkins concept of a parallax meme, for youtube or wherever, have an audio reading of the Declaration of Independence but with video of current totalitarian tactics. SWAT teams kicking in doors, IRS agents seizing land, all visuals to coincide with the reading at the most appropriate places.

 May already be done. Just a thought for the Fourth of July.
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Post by: Bill St. Clair on August 04, 2015, 10:00:01 am
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Unfortunately, Thomas Jefferson didn't conceive of abolishing the old government and replacing it with nothing. I suppose a government that stayed within its constitutional cage would be better than what we have now, but the American experiment has proved pretty well the impossibility of that dream.
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Post by: Elias Alias on August 05, 2015, 06:15:00 pm
Elias isn't the only one around here with movie-making capabilities.  Tahn's idea is a good one. It would be You-Tube size and could get a lot of attention there.

While the saying is "If you want to get something done, assign the task to a busy person. They are the ones getting stuff done."  All well and good, but we do have limits ... and quite often are running at their very edge.

 
Elias,

  I have had a thought on another possible mind war concept.

Using Shorty Dawkins concept of a parallax meme, for youtube or wherever, have an audio reading of the Declaration of Independence but with video of current totalitarian tactics. SWAT teams kicking in doors, IRS agents seizing land, all visuals to coincide with the reading at the most appropriate places.

 May already be done. Just a thought for the Fourth of July.

Yeah, Bro, "running at the edge" is putting it mildly, lol.
Hey SMS, please give my bests to Jim and Starr if you see them at the meeting next week. I'll be back down there once I get my camera up to par. Want to video their operation and help spread the word about them. Looking forward to seeing you again.
Salute!
Elias
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Post by: slidemansailor on August 06, 2015, 04:21:51 pm
You are always eagerly welcome in this neck of the woods.

I'll pass on your regards.
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Post by: DiabloLoco on August 20, 2015, 02:45:39 pm
Elias,

  I have had a thought on another possible mind war concept.

Using Shorty Dawkins concept of a parallax meme, for youtube or wherever, have an audio reading of the Declaration of Independence but with video of current totalitarian tactics. SWAT teams kicking in doors, IRS agents seizing land, all visuals to coincide with the reading at the most appropriate places.

 May already be done. Just a thought for the Fourth of July.

Hi Tahn,
Your idea is a good one. Sorry it took me so long to get back here and thank you for this post.
I can say that I'm learning to make videos now, and am actually making a movie which will be released in September -- it's just a "raw footage" type low-or-no-budget endeavor, but it's coming along nicely. I plan to sell it and hope sales go well. If the movie sells well, I'll talk with James Jaeger and/or Jim White of Northwest Liberty News about doing the movie you've suggested.
Tahn, I've got a lot going on, which is why I'm not here very much, but what I'm up to will result, if it's successful, in my being back here much more than I've been in years. I have not only the movie, but another surprise for all TMMers here, which I can announce sometime in September. I'm very excited, and want to build everyone's anticipation without telling folks yet just what the surprise is. Don't hate me for building suspense -- I'm wanting to get both the movie and the other surprise fully presentable before announcing them. It won't be long now, another six weeks or less. I think it will bring a smile to your face, Friend.

Then we can talk about your idea for the video. It is a good suggestion, and could make a powerful presentation.
Salute!
Elias
Still eagerly anticipating! :threvil:
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Post by: Elias Alias on August 20, 2015, 07:24:47 pm
Elias,

  I have had a thought on another possible mind war concept.

Using Shorty Dawkins concept of a parallax meme, for youtube or wherever, have an audio reading of the Declaration of Independence but with video of current totalitarian tactics. SWAT teams kicking in doors, IRS agents seizing land, all visuals to coincide with the reading at the most appropriate places.

 May already be done. Just a thought for the Fourth of July.

Hi Tahn,
Your idea is a good one. Sorry it took me so long to get back here and thank you for this post.
I can say that I'm learning to make videos now, and am actually making a movie which will be released in September -- it's just a "raw footage" type low-or-no-budget endeavor, but it's coming along nicely. I plan to sell it and hope sales go well. If the movie sells well, I'll talk with James Jaeger and/or Jim White of Northwest Liberty News about doing the movie you've suggested.
Tahn, I've got a lot going on, which is why I'm not here very much, but what I'm up to will result, if it's successful, in my being back here much more than I've been in years. I have not only the movie, but another surprise for all TMMers here, which I can announce sometime in September. I'm very excited, and want to build everyone's anticipation without telling folks yet just what the surprise is. Don't hate me for building suspense -- I'm wanting to get both the movie and the other surprise fully presentable before announcing them. It won't be long now, another six weeks or less. I think it will bring a smile to your face, Friend.

Then we can talk about your idea for the video. It is a good suggestion, and could make a powerful presentation.
Salute!
Elias
Still eagerly anticipating! :threvil:

Thanks DL. Am working hard and despite a week's delay on the movie, it is coming along just fine and really will be ready next month, in September. That is how things look right now. The other project may yet make it in September, but I'm willing to move its introduction back until October if I must.

The movie will be entertaining and I'm thinking it will become popular. Here is some of the raw footage for you, as a sort of preview --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9odx2UYQn_M

Thanks for being patient!
Salute!
Elias
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Post by: DiabloLoco on October 10, 2015, 05:32:20 pm
Still waiting............ :thrbiggrin:

Any updates??
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Post by: Elias Alias on October 11, 2015, 01:42:45 am
Still waiting............ :thrbiggrin:

Any updates??

Thank you sincerely for waiting and for posting your query. I got a notice in my email inbox about the thread and came over here only to find that I should have updated this thread long ago.

I'm delayed much longer than I would have guessed. The facts are that I am bringing in a third editing guy, but he will not be able to start work on the movie for about three weeks from now. But he will be worth it, and he will also furnish me a graduate course, one-on-one, in video editing using the editing software I got for the

What Jim White and I are doing is trying to have everything already laid out in sequences so the new video editor can add some finishing touches.  I am working on completing the story-board for the film while Jim is triming segments. I am embarrassed in having seen for myself how much more was involved than my initial idea suggested.  I saw several months ago, and still see today, that the movie should be a "Raw Footage" compilation, and so it is, but with ernie's help, Jim and I have noticed a story in our collection of segments, especially arising from the chronology of action scenes, from the courtroom stand in Livingston which put ernie on the map at YouTube, but did not go viral, to the subsequent arrest for "brandishing an assault fishing pole without a license" at Three Forks, Montana, to the dismantling of the court at Three Forks when he over-talked the judge to the point that she turned to the Deputy for some assistance and was ignored by said Deputy, who merely looked at the ceiling and meditated on his gum-chewing and his new-found amazement at the language coming out of ernie's mouth. Then there is the Bozeman scene where the judge got revenge in a more prominent court. Additionally we have segments of videos shot in four or five other places.  The "idea" of the movie has morphed into more of a presentation than just a collection of clips and segments. I think ernie's truer voice will come through in the completed movie.

One good thing I can announce is that we have the company which will "press" the DVD movies and furnish full-spectrum service through all steps leading to the shrink-wrapped presentation cases shipped in bulk.

And another good thing I can announce is that James Jaeger's newest film, Midnight Ride, is now finished. Edwin Vieira and I have screened the final film and we both gave James a thumbs up. That movie will be available in early November. http://www.midnightride.us/trailer/

I do apologize for not updating this thread sooner, and I'm glad you brought it to my attention. Thanks Amigo,
Salute!
Elias

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Post by: DiabloLoco on November 11, 2015, 07:30:48 pm
Watching it right now!

MIDNIGHT RIDE - When Rogue Politicians Call For Martial Law

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jno9r-OWKDM

EDIT- Checking out the comments, I saw this and felt compelled to include the quote below.

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We decided to put this film back up for free.  Anyone who likes the film and wants to support this effort is invited to purchase copies of it on DVD and/or donate to the marketing campaign.  Both can be accomplished at http://www.MidnightRide.us/trailer -- James Jaeger
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Post by: Elias Alias on November 11, 2015, 09:13:20 pm
Watching it right now!

MIDNIGHT RIDE - When Rogue Politicians Call For Martial Law

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jno9r-OWKDM

EDIT- Checking out the comments, I saw this and felt compelled to include the quote below.

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We decided to put this film back up for free.  Anyone who likes the film and wants to support this effort is invited to purchase copies of it on DVD and/or donate to the marketing campaign.  Both can be accomplished at http://www.MidnightRide.us/trailer -- James Jaeger

Thanks DL for posting that link.  James called me today to let me know that the movie would remain online. He feels that it is an important movie with a message that needs to be plastered all over the country. Please do tell all your friends to check it out. Thanks mucho!
Salute!
Elias
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Post by: DiabloLoco on November 12, 2015, 09:55:35 am


Thanks DL for posting that link.  James called me today to let me know that the movie would remain online. He feels that it is an important movie with a message that needs to be plastered all over the country. Please do tell all your friends to check it out. Thanks mucho!
Salute!
Elias
No problem! :thrbiggrin:

Any developments with your project, Elias?
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Post by: slidemansailor on November 13, 2015, 10:30:11 am
I just dashed off to MidnightRide.us intending to buy a dvd of the movie ... and Molan Labe.   I guess I'm blind in one eye and deaf in the other, cuz I could see where that was done.

Please... a link to mail-order purchases
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Post by: DiabloLoco on November 13, 2015, 11:42:00 am
I just dashed off to MidnightRide.us intending to buy a dvd of the movie ... and Molan Labe.   I guess I'm blind in one eye and deaf in the other, cuz I could see where that was done.

Please... a link to mail-order purchases
Hmmmm. I can't seem to find any way to buy Midnight Ride either. Perhaps Elias can help with that. I did find links to Molon Labe though. Hope this helps!

http://www.oathkeepersgear.net/DVD-Molon-Labe_p_92.html
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Post by: slidemansailor on November 14, 2015, 10:35:15 am
I just dashed off to MidnightRide.us intending to buy a dvd of the movie ... and Molan Labe.   I guess I'm blind in one eye and deaf in the other, cuz I could see where that was done.

Please... a link to mail-order purchases
Hmmmm. I can't seem to find any way to buy Midnight Ride either. Perhaps Elias can help with that. I did find links to Molon Labe though. Hope this helps!

http://www.oathkeepersgear.net/DVD-Molon-Labe_p_92.html

Thank you DL. That appears to have worked just fine.  Molon Lobe is on its way to us.
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Post by: Elias Alias on December 01, 2015, 01:45:11 am
SMS, Sorry to be a bit late on this thread.
The good news is that Midnight Ride is now available at Oath Keepers, here:

http://www.oathkeepersgear.net/DVD-Midnight-Ride_p_109.html

And by Christmas Eve next month it will be available at The Mental Militia's new online store. ;)

In fact, we will be offering all of James' Constitutional documentary films at the new website, along with other DVDs, books, and miscellaneous items. Coming very soon now, before Christmas (if the creek don't rise, ack!).

Lots of good things are happening. I hope everyone here will be pleased

Thank you for purchasing Molon Labe. I hope you also get a copy of Midnight Ride, for the two films go together like "sister films". I think they make great teaching aids.

But, even though Oath Keepers and TMM would love to sell the movies, I also should tell all readers here that Midnight Ride is online for free for an indefinite time. James just wants the message to get out to the public. Please hit this link and help the movie go viral on the Net, yes? Thanks.

http://www.midnightride.us/premiere/

And if readers like it for free, they're welcome to purchase it, an act which makes it portable for those who do not have Internet connections, and which helps support James Jaeger's work in producing these movie documentaries.

Salute!
Elias
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Post by: DiabloLoco on December 01, 2015, 03:12:07 pm

And by Christmas Eve next month it will be available at The Mental Militia's new online store. ;)


What else will be offered? A TMM T-shirt would be pretty cool! *hint hint*
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Post by: Elias Alias on December 01, 2015, 10:34:29 pm

And by Christmas Eve next month it will be available at The Mental Militia's new online store. ;)


What else will be offered? A TMM T-shirt would be pretty cool! *hint hint*

Thanks, DL. Good thinking. I'd like to do tees and long sleeves as well, and would also like to explore receptivity for berets.
What I need is a graphic. Are there any graphic artists hanging out here? Does anyone know a good graphic artist? ;)

I'd like to see some visual renderings for "TMM" and for "The Mental Militia". I've talked with a couple but one won't make the grade and the other is unbelievably busy. I would like to actually have a variety of logos, for use with the newsletter, brochures, cards, letter-head, product branding, etc etc. If anyone reading here has any ideas, please share here. I'm running out of days to get the site built and the organization organized, lol!

Thanks mucho,
Salute!
Elias
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Post by: Wyomiles on December 01, 2015, 11:59:59 pm
Elias, Alex Ojeda has done some really nice stuff for Paul Wheaton over at the Permies.com website.

Alex has an online store and can be contacted here.  http://homesteadgear.spreadshirt.com/shop/imprint
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Post by: Elias Alias on December 02, 2015, 02:18:22 pm
Thanks Wyomiles;
Just spent a bit of time checking out the permaculture thingy. Need to add them to the new site. Will contact Alex and see if he can grasp a concept for our logo(s). Thanks for taking time to send me to him. Maybe we should do what we did sixteen years ago when I opened a design contest at the very first online TMM site, which was a "Yahoo Club" named The Mental Militia. Lady Firesilk, an awesome wiccan, won the contest with her "Liberty Gryphon" striking steel and flint to spark the world wide consciousness revolution. (I will preserve her rendering at the new site, for sure -- it's been with us for sixteen years.

But we're building a new look for the new site, and I want a primary logo for the newsletter as well as for the site and bumper stickers and brochures, etc etc.

Salute!
Elias
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Post by: MamaLiberty on December 02, 2015, 02:31:48 pm
You can borrow mine, Elias. :)
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Post by: Elias Alias on December 02, 2015, 03:28:50 pm
You can borrow mine, Elias. :)

Aha! That's a good one and we could certainly use it, but I've saved it and re-opened it in Paint to enlarge it, and am not getting good results. Do you have a copy that is high-resolution, larger?

Thank you ML,
Salute!
Elias
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Post by: MamaLiberty on December 02, 2015, 03:37:43 pm
Do you have a copy that is high-resolution, larger?

I don't have one, Elias, but I'll see what Carl Bear might be willing to produce. I'll get back to you in email. :)
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Post by: Elias Alias on December 02, 2015, 03:52:51 pm
Thank you ML.

Btw, did I tell you that Mike Adams of Natural News dot com has joined TMM? (Not here at the forums, but at the national site.) Also on board is Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Dan Johnson with PANDA and Solutions Institute. Dave Callihan has a group in Florida which will be a centerpiece at the new site. I am approaching G. Edward Griffin about letting us list his "Freedom Force International" and also am going to invite Michael Shaw of Freedom Advocates. James Jaeger's Matrix Entertainment is also on board, and I'm waiting on the site to be more presentable before inviting a whole bunch of strong names into the mix, especially Edwin Vieira. We already have Cyrellys with Manticore Group and "DJ" of Level 9 News, along with Jim White of Northwest Liberty News, Dave Hodges of The Common Sense Show, and Jason Van Tatenhove, an independent videographer. Once the site is ready, I'll invite almost fifty strong organizations to join -- everyone from GOA to the Von Mises Institute. I'm thinking that we will become controversial right out of the gate, which will be good for stats and clicks. I certainly will send an invitation to Mr. Levin (General Counsel for SPLC), lol. I'm still trying to get my ass onto the SPLC's "Top Thirty" list, right? ;)

Thanks ML,
Salute!
Elias

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Post by: MamaLiberty on December 02, 2015, 04:50:03 pm
Oh my... If any of those folks come to join us here at the forum, I suspect most of us oldtimers will need to spruce up our writing and language skills. That's quite a lineup!!

I gave Carl Bear the little picture and your email address, so hopefully you can get together with him to see what can be done with it. I like it because it reminds me of a favorite phrase of mine:

The only thing that never changes is that all things change. Nothing is forever. :)
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Post by: Elias Alias on December 06, 2015, 10:04:12 pm
Do you have a copy that is high-resolution, larger?

I don't have one, Elias, but I'll see what Carl Bear might be willing to produce. I'll get back to you in email. :)

MamaLiberty,
Thank you for putting Carl and I in touch via email.  We've been going back and forth in emails and he has sent exploratory graphics. I appreciate your help mucho!

Salute!
Elias
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Post by: Klapton Isgod on December 06, 2015, 11:10:57 pm
Remember the "Freedom Gang Sign" thread?  One of the coolest ideas in there was to use the electrical symbol for a resistor.


--\/\/\/\--
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Post by: Elias Alias on December 06, 2015, 11:19:46 pm
Remember the "Freedom Gang Sign" thread?  One of the coolest ideas in there was to use the electrical symbol for a resistor.


--\/\/\/\--

Don't recall that thread, but certainly like that line of thinking. I've toyed mentally (I can't draw) with a double "M" which would be close to that.

~~~MM~~~ , only with the "M"s curved, like brain wave traces. I am using quite a bit of "brain wave" graphics, such as:

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSjRuFZoThr3G2JnMZ_oZnohq7OFndrq6oXgIoSb3_FLh7WSQH)

Salute!
Elias



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Post by: slidemansailor on December 07, 2015, 07:33:52 am
The "Resistor patch" was my idea that I had executed by a mother/daughter machine embroidery company. When they decided to close it down, my partners and I bought the company.

I can crank these out ... and probably many others you can imagine.  Shown here sewed onto my tan jacket.

(http://www.thepatchworks.biz/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Resistor-patch-300x102.jpg)
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Post by: MamaLiberty on December 07, 2015, 08:57:32 am
I can crank these out ... and probably many others you can imagine.  Shown here sewed onto my tan jacket.

Link does not produce any image, just error messages. If you can send me the jpg image itself in email, I can post it here. The "thepatchworks.biz" and "http://BitterrootBugle.com/" links give an error message as well.
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Post by: slidemansailor on December 07, 2015, 10:18:51 pm
My web host made major changes Sunday and Monday.  They were down for me all afternoon. 

The RESISTOR patch is showing up now on my view of TMM. I think it is cured for all.
Please let me know if there still is a problem.
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Post by: MamaLiberty on December 08, 2015, 06:12:23 am
My web host made major changes Sunday and Monday.  They were down for me all afternoon. 

The RESISTOR patch is showing up now on my view of TMM. I think it is cured for all.
Please let me know if there still is a problem.

Ah, very good. I see it now. :)
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Post by: da gooch on December 08, 2015, 07:30:38 pm
I bought mine (before the ladies closed up shop) in "subdued" colors.
I wear one in sand and sage on a woodland camo cap that I wear around town.

Most folks still don't get the reference even after I explain for them what the symbol is actually.
Then again I live in a small rural Texas town south of San Antonio.
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Post by: slidemansailor on December 09, 2015, 09:11:05 am
Most folks still don't get the reference even after I explain for them what the symbol is actually.

I'm happy to be like Mexican food and red wine: Not for everyone. 
I don't expect to be, or have my symbolism understood by all. 
I don't spend a lot of time anymore trying to explain steak to the grass grazers.
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Post by: Elias Alias on December 11, 2015, 04:32:47 pm
The "Resistor patch" was my idea that I had executed by a mother/daughter machine embroidery company. When they decided to close it down, my partners and I bought the company.

I can crank these out ... and probably many others you can imagine.  Shown here sewed onto my tan jacket.

(http://www.thepatchworks.biz/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Resistor-patch-300x102.jpg)

SMS, we should talk sometime soon. Thanks Bro.

Salute!
Elias
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Post by: slidemansailor on December 12, 2015, 12:46:26 pm
At your service.
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Post by: Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind. on December 17, 2015, 05:51:50 pm
Slideman, that looks almost like some kind of shoulder patch. :)  No hints.  :P
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Post by: DiabloLoco on February 24, 2016, 04:30:34 pm
Elias's latest Trailer-

Red Neck Nullification 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYOOQYt1EOk
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Post by: mothercirce on February 24, 2016, 05:10:25 pm
Elias's latest Trailer-

Red Neck Nullification 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYOOQYt1EOk

God bless Ernie and Elias on this endeavor. The cowardice of these order followers is repulsive to say the least. Mother Circe believes that the only proper course of action when being assaulted and kidnapped in front of your children or grand children while fishing, is to act in self defense and blow the order followers heads off. They know in their hearts that they serve evil, yet refuse to change their ways. For this cowardice, an eternal damnation is the least they deserve. Until the masses awaken, we will be relegated to life as slaves, chattel, serfs. Again, god bless Ernie and Elias for their courage and steadfastness in the face of pure evil.
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Post by: Bill St. Clair on February 24, 2016, 05:40:21 pm
Elias's latest Trailer-

Red Neck Nullification 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYOOQYt1EOk

Haven't finished watching it yet, but looks very good so far.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: DiabloLoco on February 24, 2016, 06:55:02 pm
Elias's latest Trailer-

Red Neck Nullification 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYOOQYt1EOk

Haven't finished watching it yet, but looks very good so far.
I wish there were subtitles available. Sometimes, he's kinda hard to understand.
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Post by: da gooch on February 24, 2016, 07:06:10 pm
Someone with the time and kindness could write up a Cliff Notes version for those of us relegated to the hinterlands without highspeed internet.
(an alternate option would be to copy and rewrite it to a disc for which I would replace each disc with five blank discs.)

Thanks for even considering it.

Old age is not for sissy's - Art Linkletter
Dial-up internet is not for the impatient or the squeamish. - da gooch
Dial-up internet connections should come with a full sized punching bag ... for the "wait times".  :rolleyes:
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Post by: Bill St. Clair on February 24, 2016, 07:11:49 pm
Finished watching it. Nicely done. Ernie is always a joy to watch and listen to. I don't entirely grok his natural ease with rejecting the CORPORATE LEGAL FICTION, but I'm getting there. He sure disarms that judge.

He refers at the end to "Ernie's page at thementalmilitia.net". I don't know where that is. Elias?
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Post by: da gooch on February 24, 2016, 07:36:19 pm
Finished watching it. Nicely done. Ernie is always a joy to watch and listen to. I don't entirely grok his natural ease with rejecting the CORPORATE LEGAL FICTION, but I'm getting there. He sure disarms that judge.

He refers at the end to "Ernie's page at thementalmilitia.net". I don't know where that is. Elias?

versus the addy for the page I am typing on which is : thementalmilitia.com/forums/etc-etc-etc-etc
Elias' new TMM?
Maybe?
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Post by: DiabloLoco on February 24, 2016, 07:42:08 pm
Finished watching it. Nicely done. Ernie is always a joy to watch and listen to. I don't entirely grok his natural ease with rejecting the CORPORATE LEGAL FICTION, but I'm getting there. He sure disarms that judge.

He refers at the end to "Ernie's page at thementalmilitia.net". I don't know where that is. Elias?

versus the addy for the page I am typing on which is : thementalmilitia.com/forums/etc-etc-etc-etc
Elias' new TMM?
Maybe?
Yup. Found here- https://thementalmilitia.net/welcome/

Not really "up and running" yet, but looks promising.

I signed up for the newsletter (I think :dontknow:), but am yet to receive one.
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Post by: Bill St. Clair on February 24, 2016, 08:56:28 pm
Yup. Found here- https://thementalmilitia.net/welcome/

I KNOW about the site. I set it up. But what I don't know is where to find Ernie's PAGE on the site.
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Post by: DiabloLoco on February 25, 2016, 05:20:36 am
Yup. Found here- https://thementalmilitia.net/welcome/

I KNOW about the site. I set it up. But what I don't know is where to find Ernie's PAGE on the site.
:laugh: I was answering Gooch.

 I looked for "Ernie's page" as well. I couldn't find it either. :dontknow:
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Post by: Bill St. Clair on February 25, 2016, 08:28:42 am
:laugh: I was answering Gooch.

Duh. Apologies.
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Post by: DiabloLoco on February 25, 2016, 03:23:31 pm
:laugh: I was answering Gooch.

Duh. Apologies.
Meh....It happens. As a matter of fact, I did something similar to Gooch during the Ebola thread flare-up. :laugh:
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Post by: Elias Alias on March 17, 2016, 03:39:52 am
Yup. Found here- https://thementalmilitia.net/welcome/

I KNOW about the site. I set it up. But what I don't know is where to find Ernie's PAGE on the site.
:laugh: I was answering Gooch.

 I looked for "Ernie's page" as well. I couldn't find it either. :dontknow:

Well, I see I'm late to the party. Thanks to Diablo Loco, I came over here to catch myself up on this thread. Sorry for the absence Guys.

Link for the "ernie page" at TMM's new site - https://thementalmilitia.net/ernie/

Thanks,
Salute!
Elias
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Post by: da gooch on March 17, 2016, 02:44:06 pm
Elias,

I read on the paying for web hosting thread that you are creating the new membership system for the TMM dotnet.
Will those of us here at the TMM dotcom be able to transfer/migrate our membership from here to there? IF so, How? (keep it simple please, remember that I am a country boy at heart. )

Thanks,

gooch
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Post by: Bill St. Clair on March 17, 2016, 03:06:04 pm
I can't speak for Elias, but there's no existing way I know of to migrate SMF forum memberships to a WordPress site. It would certainly be possible to CREATE such a mechanism, in a couple of days of my time, but it's not that hard to create a WordPress account using its dialog boxes, so we'll probably go with that.
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Post by: Elias Alias on March 17, 2016, 03:13:10 pm
Elias,

I read on the paying for web hosting thread that you are creating the new membership system for the TMM dotnet.
Will those of us here at the TMM dotcom be able to transfer/migrate our membership from here to there? IF so, How? (keep it simple please, remember that I am a country boy at heart. )

Thanks,

gooch

Hey gooch,
We will be charging a $25.00 annual membership fee for membership in the new national website. There will not be any charge for people who are "members" here at the Forums.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Elias Alias on March 17, 2016, 03:17:18 pm
I can't speak for Elias, but there's no existing way I know of to migrate SMF forum memberships to a WordPress site. It would certainly be possible to CREATE such a mechanism, in a couple of days of my time, but it's not that hard to create a WordPress account using its dialog boxes, so we'll probably go with that.

Bill, no need to do anything, as far as I can tell. Members here will still be members here. But if they want to support our new website operation as members, they will need to pay a $25.00 annual membership fee.

Also, Bill, I will want to create a National Site Forum here that will be for dues-paying members only. We are working on the "Join" page right now to get that set up to take dues payments from the public at large. That may be ready by tomorrow, if not tonight. I am working with Cindy to establish two levels of membership at the National site. I'll announce this tomorrow after we test the "join" buttons for accepting payments.

Thanks for being on the ball here Bill.

Salute!
Elias
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Post by: Bill St. Clair on March 17, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
Also, Bill, I will want to create a National Site Forum here that will be for dues-paying members only.

MamaLiberty can probably handle that, or I'll figure it out if she declines. I would guess it would go in "Partner Sites" or "Private Boards".
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Post by: Elias Alias on March 17, 2016, 11:21:15 pm
Also, Bill, I will want to create a National Site Forum here that will be for dues-paying members only.

MamaLiberty can probably handle that, or I'll figure it out if she declines. I would guess it would go in "Partner Sites" or "Private Boards".

Thanks Bill. I'm pretty sure I can create it -- it's been a while since I did that here, but am guessing I can get through that easily enough. I'll get with ML to see what I'm prolly overlooking, soon. Tonight I'm on getting the memberships stuff organized so we can go "live".

Salute! Bro,
Elias
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Post by: MamaLiberty on March 18, 2016, 05:41:37 am
Thanks Bill. I'm pretty sure I can create it -- it's been a while since I did that here, but am guessing I can get through that easily enough. I'll get with ML to see what I'm prolly overlooking, soon. Tonight I'm on getting the memberships stuff organized so we can go "live".

Just tell me what you want and where. I'll take care of it. I've got a LOT more time for stuff like this than you do, Elias. :)
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Post by: Elias Alias on March 21, 2016, 02:45:08 pm
Thanks Bill. I'm pretty sure I can create it -- it's been a while since I did that here, but am guessing I can get through that easily enough. I'll get with ML to see what I'm prolly overlooking, soon. Tonight I'm on getting the memberships stuff organized so we can go "live".

Just tell me what you want and where. I'll take care of it. I've got a LOT more time for stuff like this than you do, Elias. :)

Okay, ML --
I am doing several things right now, last minute things. Bill and Cindy are straightening out the paypal BS by substituting a new payment system at the national site. I am getting rid of paypal. We will be using an alternate money-transfer system. That should "go live" sometime this week. Once that is in place for memberships, donations for the ernie movie, and the store, I will announce the site and start the email chains to let the public know we're here. I will continue to develop site content as we go, but it's now time to get some cashflow coming in.

Therefore, it's time for you and  me to talk about the private forum. I'm thinking we should do that over in the Admin section, where I'll have a couple of questions for you please. Thank you for always being on the job here. You are awesome. I'll go start a conversation with you in Admin now.

Salute!
Elias
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Post by: mi6a2lm on March 22, 2016, 08:32:18 am
Bill and Cindy are straightening out the paypal BS by substituting a new payment system at the national site. I am getting rid of paypal. We will be using an alternate money-transfer system. That should "go live" sometime this week.

Hello,
     I'm interested in your pmt/donation options and what you decide to go with.  We do have Paypal but have rarely used it (once in the last 10 years).  I use Google Wallet for internal transactions (fuel pmts) but I also do cash, check or charge.  Since it's an LLC you can also do the Square.  It's free in the sense there is no monthly pmt, just a 2.75% transaction charge.  They do need an FEIN though.  For non-point-of-sale transactions I just get an email, log in and send them an invoice - then they can complete transaction at home.  Likewise, Google Wallet pmts can be arranged with just an email - but it requires a smartphone and the app. - same with Apple Pay. 
     All of my pmt options involve some amount of 'evil' - i.e. banks, Google, taxes, ideology, State - so I suppose it depends on your level of tolerance in dealing with the State and statists.  For example, I wanted to donate to ericpetersautos.com with Google Wallet but he ended affiliation with Google (edit:  Google ended its affiliation first) ... but he does do Paypal!
     My motivation is getting $ transferred as easily as possible from as many different pmt sources as I can.
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Post by: Elias Alias on March 22, 2016, 09:38:35 am
Bill and Cindy are straightening out the paypal BS by substituting a new payment system at the national site. I am getting rid of paypal. We will be using an alternate money-transfer system. That should "go live" sometime this week.

Hello,
     I'm interested in your pmt/donation options and what you decide to go with.  We do have Paypal but have rarely used it (once in the last 10 years).  I use Google Wallet for internal transactions (fuel pmts) but I also do cash, check or charge.  Since it's an LLC you can also do the Square.  It's free in the sense there is no monthly pmt, just a 2.75% transaction charge.  They do need an FEIN though.  For non-point-of-sale transactions I just get an email, log in and send them an invoice - then they can complete transaction at home.  Likewise, Google Wallet pmts can be arranged with just an email - but it requires a smartphone and the app. - same with Apple Pay. 
     All of my pmt options involve some amount of 'evil' - i.e. banks, Google, taxes, ideology, State - so I suppose it depends on your level of tolerance in dealing with the State and statists.  For example, I wanted to donate to ericpetersautos.com with Google Wallet but he ended affiliation with Google (edit:  Google ended its affiliation first) ... but he does do Paypal!
     My motivation is getting $ transferred as easily as possible from as many different pmt sources as I can.

Thank you for asking. Right now we are trying to install Stripe as a pmt transfer service. But our site is objecting, and we need Bill to figure out what's wrong, what's causing our site to have difficulties with Stripe. Consequently, we are limited this week to snail mail only, for those who want to help us by sending checks or money orders. We will be getting rid of paypal very quickly.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance, The Line of Martyrs forms here...
Post by: Elias Alias on March 22, 2016, 06:34:53 pm
We're Back, and Better than Ever!

Now that we have the necessary structures in place to take down TMM.com, and the yet to be unveiled TMM.net, we thought we should wait until the appropriate time.  In the meantime, it is a continuing source of amusement to follow the goings on behind the scenes. 

Some of us think no further action is warranted, because this forum is already on the skids.  It is highly doubtful it will ever regain its former glory (heh.)  The new site at TMM.net is sure to alienate, guaranteed to further discredit the liberty movement.  Do some really think people will pay $25 for that tripe?

Many members have noted the decline of this forum, commenting both publicly and privately.  As Silver said in a message to the penguinphobe, Elias has gone, and we quote, "batshit crazy."

We could go on, but you get the idea.  Things are not well here, not well at all.  We considered ending the suffering, but there are voices who say we should let it die naturally.  It would be morbid entertainment for some.

Until next time, we are Legion.

How do you mean, "Things are not well here"?
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Bill St. Clair on March 22, 2016, 06:49:21 pm
Legion must be our troll, contemplating bringing us down more spectacularly than last time, which she likely knows how to do. No idea why we're worth the time, but since when did adolescents make sense?
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Post by: Elias Alias on March 22, 2016, 06:54:47 pm
Legion must be our troll, contemplating bringing us down more spectacularly than last time, which she likely knows how to do. No idea why we're worth the time, but since when did adolescents make sense?

Yeah, well, I'll see you in headquarters to discuss security please.
Thanks Bill.

Salute!
Elias
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Post by: DiabloLoco on March 22, 2016, 08:50:53 pm
Legion must be our troll, contemplating bringing us down more spectacularly than last time, which she likely knows how to do. No idea why we're worth the time, but since when did adolescents make sense?
I have a feeling that you were duped into thinking that it's just an adolescent girl. Why would whomever this is be using the word "we"? Seems to me that the most logical perpetrator(s) is/are disenfranchised former member(s) who failed to steer the forum into their desired direction and were run off or banned. Of course this is just my opinion.
Title: Re: Psy-War, Psy-Op, MindWar Resistance: Line forms here...
Post by: Bill St. Clair on March 22, 2016, 09:27:18 pm
Legion must be our troll, contemplating bringing us down more spectacularly than last time, which she likely knows how to do. No idea why we're worth the time, but since when did adolescents make sense?
I have a feeling that you were duped into thinking that it's just an adolescent girl. Why would whomever this is be using the word "we"? Seems to me that the most logical perpetrator(s) is/are disenfranchised former member(s) who failed to steer the forum into their desired direction and were run off or banned. Of course this is just my opinion.

Actually, I know little about our troll, but since it represented itself as an adolescent female, I'll treat her as such for now. Either she IS one, or it's a suitable insult.
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Post by: da gooch on March 22, 2016, 10:21:19 pm
Legion must be our troll, contemplating bringing us down more spectacularly than last time, which she likely knows how to do. No idea why we're worth the time, but since when did adolescents make sense?
I have a feeling that you were duped into thinking that it's just an adolescent girl. Why would whomever this is be using the word "we"? Seems to me that the most logical perpetrator(s) is/are disenfranchised former member(s) who failed to steer the forum into their desired direction and were run off or banned. Of course this is just my opinion.

Actually, I know little about our troll, but since it represented itself as an adolescent female, I'll treat her as such for now. Either she IS one, or it's a suitable insult.

Isn't "We are Legion" a direct quote from the Anonymous website?

Perhaps an adolescent female aspiring to be an Anonymous member?

:twocents:
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Post by: Elias Alias on March 22, 2016, 10:26:38 pm
Legion must be our troll, contemplating bringing us down more spectacularly than last time, which she likely knows how to do. No idea why we're worth the time, but since when did adolescents make sense?
I have a feeling that you were duped into thinking that it's just an adolescent girl. Why would whomever this is be using the word "we"? Seems to me that the most logical perpetrator(s) is/are disenfranchised former member(s) who failed to steer the forum into their desired direction and were run off or banned. Of course this is just my opinion.

Actually, I know little about our troll, but since it represented itself as an adolescent female, I'll treat her as such for now. Either she IS one, or it's a suitable insult.

Isn't "We are Legion" a direct quote from the Anonymous website?

Perhaps an adolescent female aspiring to be an Anonymous member?

:twocents:

Whatever it is, it's got notions of grandiosity. As we well know, this forum is completely harmonious with Anonymous and Anonymous would never attack us, but instead would most likely support us. So this troll is "borrowing" the mythology of Anonymous to suit its own inferiority complex.

Salute!
Elias
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Post by: Tahn L. on March 23, 2016, 11:13:46 am
Just a thought.

If is not Anonymous and I have no reason to imagine that it is, then it is somebody trying to impersonate Anonymous and somehow I don’t think that they (Anonymous) would like that. Let’s ask Anonymous, with their abilities and contacts, to search out and discover the culprit or culprits and expose them for what they are, internet terrorists.

Now, does anyone have a big searchlight that can shine a big “A” into the sky and call for help?
 :ph34r:
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Post by: MamaLiberty on March 23, 2016, 12:37:57 pm
Let’s ask Anonymous, with their abilities and contacts, to search out and discover the culprit or culprits and expose them for what they are, internet terrorists.

What a marvelous idea!!  Can you research that and see if you can find a valid contact address for them? That would be such a big help.

The only time I saw a flashlight that big was at a UFO convention in the Mojave desert many years ago. Took two people to hold it! LOL
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Post by: Elias Alias on March 23, 2016, 02:56:17 pm
I'll send up some smoke signals.

;)

Salute!
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Post by: dtc on July 07, 2017, 12:58:59 pm
Are you guys still out there? Lol
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Post by: MamaLiberty on July 07, 2017, 01:02:59 pm
Are you guys still out there? Lol

I'm sure they are... but here at the TMM forum, they seem to be keeping very, very quiet.

Welcome, and I hope you will explore the forum and join in.
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Post by: dtc on July 07, 2017, 01:10:38 pm
Thanks for the welcome, no idea how the site works. I've been looking around, read a couple posts and this one is what I was looking for. I'm late I see
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Post by: Elias Alias on July 07, 2017, 05:19:34 pm

I'm sure they are... but here at the TMM forum, they seem to be keeping very, very quiet.


ML, I don't know what may happen with this, but should let you know just in case we get some "ripple-effect" next Tuesday night. (July 11, 2017)  I will be on the Caravan To Midnight show with John B. Wells on Tuesday for an hour and a half to talk about The Mental Militia and other things, such as our relationship with G. Edward Griffin's Red Pill Expo and Jeanette Finicum's ongoing struggle to keep her family's ranch and seek justice for the state-sponsored assassination of her husband, LaVoy Finicum.

Caravan To Midnight does not have as big an audience as Coast To Coast does, but Caravan To Midnight is a fairly large listening audience, so we may see a couple of new members sign up here after the show.

Here is a sample of Caravan To Midnight which I've posted at TMM's national site --
At TMM:  https://thementalmilitia.net/readers-regiment/patrick-wood/
The video at Caravan To Midnight channel --  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7QlOTi86Nk

Thanks, ML.
And Welcome dtc! Enjoy. (Yes, we're still around, just being uncharacteristically quiet for the most part.)
Salute!
Elias
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Post by: dtc on July 07, 2017, 05:44:03 pm
I'm gonna finish reading the thread before I start discussing. Also Idk how the quoting thing works...but it's cool. Glad you guys are out here. I'll try to tune into your show
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Post by: MamaLiberty on July 08, 2017, 05:50:32 am
I'm gonna finish reading the thread before I start discussing. Also Idk how the quoting thing works...but it's cool. Glad you guys are out here. I'll try to tune into your show

You are currently listed as a "guest" and cannot use most of the forum's features unless you log in as a member.
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Post by: Bill St. Clair on July 08, 2017, 12:28:04 pm
You are currently listed as a "guest" and cannot use most of the forum's features unless you log in as a member.

"guest" means that someone deleted dtc's account. The backup server has an archive, if he wants it back, but only for a week.
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Post by: MamaLiberty on July 08, 2017, 03:33:19 pm
You are currently listed as a "guest" and cannot use most of the forum's features unless you log in as a member.

"guest" means that someone deleted dtc's account. The backup server has an archive, if he wants it back, but only for a week.

Yes, I know. I responded just in case he could read here in this section even if not logged in. I didn't delete his account, so he must have. His decision, unless another admin nuked him - but I can't imagine why they would.
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Post by: Tahn L. on July 08, 2017, 05:54:05 pm

I'm sure they are... but here at the TMM forum, they seem to be keeping very, very quiet.


ML, I don't know what may happen with this, but should let you know just in case we get some "ripple-effect" next Tuesday night. (July 11, 2017)  I will be on the Caravan To Midnight show with John B. Wells on Tuesday for an hour and a half to talk about The Mental Militia and other things, such as our relationship with G. Edward Griffin's Red Pill Expo and Jeanette Finicum's ongoing struggle to keep her family's ranch and seek justice for the state-sponsored assassination of her husband, LaVoy Finicum.

Caravan To Midnight does not have as big an audience as Coast To Coast does, but Caravan To Midnight is a fairly large listening audience, so we may see a couple of new members sign up here after the show.

Here is a sample of Caravan To Midnight which I've posted at TMM's national site --
At TMM:  https://thementalmilitia.net/readers-regiment/patrick-wood/
The video at Caravan To Midnight channel --  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7QlOTi86Nk

Thanks, ML.
And Welcome dtc! Enjoy. (Yes, we're still around, just being uncharacteristically quiet for the most part.)
Salute!
Elias

BEST WISHES Elias!  Will try to listen/watch.
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Post by: vedicwarrior on July 14, 2017, 07:37:30 pm
I'm writing this for Elias Alias and for John B Wells simultaneously so that you will both be aware of this information on "A Brief History of the Study of Consciousness" with Stuart Hammeroff and "Is Consciousness the Unified Field" with Dr. John Hagelin. 

I can't stress the importance of the content of these two videos - for the Mental Militia, something I've been involved with since 1975.

The first video - which will provide the information about the physiological structures that support our interaction with the quantum field - sets the stage for the second video that explains how consciousness acts like the unified field - where TREMENDOUS energies are in play... 

We may harness this field via the development of consciousness and as it turns out, nature abhors the abuse of power, so we can only achieve life-supporting ends with this "Science of Creative Intelligence". 

You will be glad you watched these videos. 


1.  https://youtu.be/hKAVgq99o_w (https://youtu.be/hKAVgq99o_w)

2.  https://youtu.be/LPhgDfT4Zpc (https://youtu.be/LPhgDfT4Zpc)

I've informed both you and John B Wells with the same text so you might coordinate a discussion down the road - similar to the one I listened to just the other day. 
Happy sanyama (samyama also correct...), gentlemen.
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Post by: Elias Alias on July 14, 2017, 09:41:05 pm
I'm writing this for Elias Alias and for John B Wells simultaneously so that you will both be aware of this information on "A Brief History of the Study of Consciousness" with Stuart Hammeroff and "Is Consciousness the Unified Field" with Dr. John Hagelin. 

I can't stress the importance of the content of these two videos - for the Mental Militia, something I've been involved with since 1975.

The first video - which will provide the information about the physiological structures that support our interaction with the quantum field - sets the stage for the second video that explains how consciousness acts like the unified field - where TREMENDOUS energies are in play... 

We may harness this field via the development of consciousness and as it turns out, nature abhors the abuse of power, so we can only achieve life-supporting ends with this "Science of Creative Intelligence". 

You will be glad you watched these videos. 


1.  https://youtu.be/hKAVgq99o_w (https://youtu.be/hKAVgq99o_w)

2.  https://youtu.be/LPhgDfT4Zpc (https://youtu.be/LPhgDfT4Zpc)

I've informed both you and John B Wells with the same text so you might coordinate a discussion down the road - similar to the one I listened to just the other day. 
Happy sanyama (samyama also correct...), gentlemen.

Hello vedicwarrior!
It is very good that you've shared these videos with us.  I have only viewed about half of the Hammeroff video, and just the beginning of the Hagelin video, but have bookmarked both and added the YouTube links to my files here on my computer's hard drive, lest I forget how to find them. I agree with you that both videos are important for The Mental Militia.

That said, let me thank you also for listening to the show on Caravan To Midnight in which John B. Wells hosted your humble servant. What a great host he is! He let me run with free rein, thusly enabling me to finally connect up the various semmingly disjointed points I introduced in the first hour of the show. Once John B. Wells saw where I was going, he got engaged and by the end of the show he and I were "connected". I'm thrilled that he wants me to appear again on his show, and also am honored that he "Knighted" me into his "Ark Knights". How awesome that he did that for me!  So you have discovered TMM by being a Caravaner, and you got into the show so well you wanted to share some of your own collected sources for looking into the phenomenon of consciousness, or "mentality". That is awesome of you, and I'm grateful that you enjoyed the show enough to send this commentary to both John B. and myself. Way cool, and welcome to TMM's original old forums.

Now let's mention a word about synchronicity. You've introduced TMM's forum here to Hammeroff, (and for doing so I'm extremely pleased), but Hammeroff already has a little spot on our national website. I'm smiling when I offer you this link and ask you to notice the posting date for this article. ;)

https://thementalmilitia.net/2015/08/26/mental-mysteries-thinking-about-thinking/

If you scroll that page you'll see the very first video I discovered by Hammeroff on YouTube.  I instantly liked the guy when I found that video, same as I like him all over again by finding your post here linking to another of his vids which I've not seen before. So I'm very pleased that you took time to offer us the links and will enjoy viewing both of them more than once each. In fact, vedicwarrior, I think Hammeroff should have a Landing Page at our Allied Camps section of our site, don't you agree? The man is a blessed soul who is doing awesome work in the study of consciousness.

For other readers here, I'd like to offer the link for the show in which John B. Wells hosted me. If you want to skip the first half hour of the show in which John is recapping the news before bringing me onto the show, just skip "Part One" and click on "Part Two". Part Two is about an hour and forty minutes, and believe me, it builds to a really nice ending. Hope y'all enjoy.

https://caravantomidnight.com/episode-772-elias-alias/

Also at that page, for those who have some extra bucks, the video is available for purchase. All dues-paying members in Caravan To Midnight get to view the video for free. I would encourage everyone here to become a subscriber, a dues-paying member in Caravan To Midnight, for many reasons. I would hope to see TMMers supporting John B. Wells' operation -- it's powerful, has a massive audience, and is helping heal the "group mind of America", one show at a time. He's just awesome.
Thank you again vedicwarrior!
Salute!
Elias