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Title: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 13, 2009, 02:10:45 am
Things happen. Things change. Really did not see it coming. Caught me by surprise. Something's happened.

I've been silent on this sub-forum for weeks on end. For a reason. I've been uncertain about what to say, what to do here. That's the reason. It is going to take some time to explain the reason in depth, and I may jut keep it brief and to the point.

Joan Stanley, Don Doig, and myself have resigned our positions with The Gallatin Valley Patriot. We did so immediately after the second issue was printed. It was not the paper we had sent to the layout department. Eleven of our articles somehow got pulled. Our front cover-page got changed. Articles which neither of us had seen magically popped up in place of our missing articles. We realized that Joan, as publisher, and I, as editor, and Don, as assistant editor, were merely names associated with those titles, and that we in reality had very little control over the direction this second issue took. We discussed this with the person who ultimately holds responsibility for the decisions which changed our paper. We could not reach consensus on that paper's policy. We walked.

I have been wondering what to do with this sub-forum in light of this sort of change. I'll need to make some changes, but I also want to preserve a couple of threads as mementos. What started as The Gallatin Valley Patriot, for us, is now transforming itself into The Montana Messenger.

Joan Stanley is starting a new newspaper. She feels strongly that our message is wanted by many at the grass roots level in America right now. I will be her editor. Don will be my assistant editor. The three of us do have a consensus on the types of articles we should offer the public. We intend to dish.

The paper will be a monthly. We are going to appeal to the grass roots for support by ads and subscriptions. Our rates will be attractive and our subscriptions will be much more reasonable. The Montana Messenger will also have an online version, and we hope to take it nationwide through that website.

There is a good chance we'll be up and running by month's end or early November, 2009. The website will follow quickly after our first issue is printed.

Our lay-out guy is awesome. Our list of writers is excellent. The printer is lined up. Commercial funding for the first issue is about complete. First issue will be 32 pages, two sections.

Far out. I'll get to plug TMM in two different ways then. :)

Stay tuned.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: freewoman on October 13, 2009, 05:38:53 am
Thanks for the update, Elias.  And thanks to all of you for maintaining your integrity.
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Claire on October 13, 2009, 08:04:29 am
Joan Stanley, Don Doig, and myself have resigned our positions with The Gallatin Valley Patriot. We did so immediately after the second issue was printed. It was not the paper we had sent to the layout department. Eleven of our articles somehow got pulled. Our front cover-page got changed. Articles which neither of us had seen magically popped up in place of our missing articles. We realized that Joan, as publisher, and I, as editor, and Don, as assistant editor, were merely names associated with those titles, and that we in reality had very little control over the direction this second issue took. We discussed this with the person who ultimately holds responsibility for the decisions which changed our paper. We could not reach consensus on that paper's policy. We walked.

That's downright weird, Elias! Us mere writers are used to seeing our words altered or even "disappeared" for various (usually innocuous) reasons. But how can it even come to be that the publisher, editor, and assistant editor have no knowledge or control over the content of the publication???

Call that a rhetorical question because I realize you don't have time and may not have the inclination to answer.

The Patriot was a very well-done, professional publication and I'm sorry that after all the work you put into its launch, you now have to begin again (and now in competition with your own old paper?).

Don't know where you get the energy, old friend.
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Bill St. Clair on October 13, 2009, 09:00:58 am
Weird. Possibly criminal. Though I'd have to read the contracts to determine that. There were contracts?

Good luck with The Montana Messenger. I suppose you could rename this board. Old name: The Gallatin Valley Patriot. New name: The Montana Messenger. Add a blurb to the initial post explaining things.

I'm off to unfan the Patriot's Facebook page.
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: MamaLiberty on October 13, 2009, 11:03:58 am
Good grief! Transmogrification at the Patriot?

I'm with Claire... wondering where you get the energy. But God bless you for not giving up.

As always... let me know how I can help. :)
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 13, 2009, 01:19:47 pm
Thanks for the update, Elias.  And thanks to all of you for maintaining your integrity.

Yeah, well, I thank you for all you did for the GV Patriot. Hope you're ready to be helpful with the new TMM, lol! :)

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Clip Johnson on October 13, 2009, 01:21:08 pm
Sorry to hear about problems with the Patriot.

However, I for one would be interested in subscribing to The Montana Messenger if someone would kindly provide the info whenever it becomes available.

Best of luck with the new endeavor Elias.
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 13, 2009, 02:14:22 pm
Joan Stanley, Don Doig, and myself have resigned our positions with The Gallatin Valley Patriot. We did so immediately after the second issue was printed. It was not the paper we had sent to the layout department. Eleven of our articles somehow got pulled. Our front cover-page got changed. Articles which neither of us had seen magically popped up in place of our missing articles. We realized that Joan, as publisher, and I, as editor, and Don, as assistant editor, were merely names associated with those titles, and that we in reality had very little control over the direction this second issue took. We discussed this with the person who ultimately holds responsibility for the decisions which changed our paper. We could not reach consensus on that paper's policy. We walked.

That's downright weird, Elias! Us mere writers are used to seeing our words altered or even "disappeared" for various (usually innocuous) reasons. But how can it even come to be that the publisher, editor, and assistant editor have no knowledge or control over the content of the publication???

Yer right, Claire - it's downright weird. As Don puts it, we got sabotaged from within.  I'll try not to mislead anyone's perception here while attempting a nutshell-version of what happened. The story goes back a ways. I believe, iirc, I sent you a copy of another paper which featured lots of coverage of the Bozeman 4th of July Tea Party march on Main Street. Oath Keepers had been invited to join the event, and Stewart, Lt.Cmdr. David Gillie, Marti, Jim, Drew (the Nevada Corps of Oath Keepers), Capt.Gooch, Shorty Dawkins, Wayd W., Tiffany Epiphany, etc. were all in step as two thousand people marched up Main Street. Joan Stanley and her committee had pitched the event and it was a smashing day. After the march on Main, we fell back to the Belgrade airport for refreshments, music, typical 4th of July family activities amid booths and displays (FIJA had a table there) - and Lt.Cmdr. Gillie performed an Oath Keepers ceremony. It was inspiring. The whole day was inspiring.

So next day the Bozeman Daily Chronicle rendered a hugely played-down statement about the event, saying there were "hundreds" of us when there were thousands, and they put a picture in their paper which showed not one trace of a hint that so many people had crowded Main Street for the march. Total, deliberate mis-coverage of the event.

So the owner of a private newspaper, who had been at our march and is a friend of Joan's, decided to publish in her paper the truth about our rally. She decked out her paper's next issue with all sorts of coverage and spiced it up with awesome photographs. Joan and I were over-joyed, as were all the Tea Partiers. That paper became an instant collector item here. And that issue of that paper inspired the paper's owner, Joan, Don, and myself to consider doing a newspaper devoted to the grassroots awakening in America. Thusly was born the Gallatin Valley Patriot.

First issue had several pages of ads, and the owner took a loss on that issue, but engaged the services of a young woman to actively go out and solicit ads for the 2nd issue to come. We had printed and distributed six thousand copies of the first issue, all nicely done on 40-lb Book paper with full color printing, and the paper was beautiful and was a very popular issue. Joan, Don, and self put our hearts into designing a powerful slap in the face of the powers that be, and we were proud of that inaugural issue. I had had two of my pieces cut during the lay-out process, including one on Stinnett's book on Pearl Harbor and FDR's role in that false-flag event. But I took that in stride, thinking it was cut because of space needs. The owner assured Joan and self that we would be totally in control over content of the 2nd issue, and we believed her.

I had been on the radio in Bozeman talking up the paper. We're still smiling about the public reaction to that first issue - it was very popular. In my first editorial column I had made some promises about the direction the paper would take. I promised, for example, that each issue of the GV Patriot would feature news on Oath Keepers.

But ahhh, the 2nd issue was destined to hit the streets on September 11, 2009, and Joan and I had obtained from Richard Gage, AIA member and founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a totally wonderful photograph which we thought captured the entirety of the meanings and emotions which hit America with the 9/11 attacks. We had met Mr. Gage personally, and I had even introduced him to the audience where he spoke at Montana State University. We became friends. Joan and I assured him that our next issue of the GV Patriot would be devoted to 9/11 Truth.

Well, almost all of our stuff on 9/11 was cut the night before the paper went to print, including our cover photo. The paper lost all its fangs. We were told by the owner that scheduling for lay-out work prevented our paper being printed as we had designed it. But we also found out from some of our writers that the culling of our 9/11 Truth material was done to keep the paper's advertisers from bolting out the door. Some businesses  (we're told) commented that "Elias" should be kept down a bit with his conspiracy theories or they would not buy more ads in the paper.

So the owner was motivated to try to keep the advertising on board with the paper, and allowed the sales girl to snip and cut our paper to shreds, substituting articles which the two of them approved in place of our horrible nasty offensive 9/11 Truth articles. For the second time in a row, Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski's article on the Kean Commission was cut - totally embarrassing to me. The owner says, perhaps truthfully, as time shall tell, that the paper is a business and had to be run as a business, and offending sensitive advertiser-companies was suicide for the future of the paper. When I realized I could not "reach" her with my vision of the people's intense desire to learn the truth about how corrupt our Federal government truly is, and when Joan and Don also realized the same, we just resigned and began wondering what could we do next. Well, next is The Montana Messenger.

The Montana Messenger has absolutely no overlords who can cut our wings. Joan is totally on board with Don and self when it comes to government treachery and the need to expose it to grassroots America. Joan is the Montana coordinator for all Tea Party events, and I'm the director for Montana Oath Keepers. We've got state-wide networks. Don brings yet another wide network to our table. We are in a position now to offer a new newspaper to the people at grassroots level, unfettered by corporate concerns - but we're going to be depending on selling subscriptions. We do have some commitments for ads in our first issue, due out in two or three weeks, (I think we have two full-page ads and some smaller ads lined up thus far), but we're primarily going to appeal to the public for support. From the reactions to what we got out as our first issue of the GV Patriot, I'm confident that the demand is there. We'll see, eh? :)

As we get closer to deadline for our inaugural edition, I'll be pumping here for help and support. One nice thing we've learned is that our printer is set up to mail to all subscribers everywhere, so we can take this baby nation-wide and deliver it. Also, as you'll learn more soon, our lay-out guy is an awesome artist and a patriot whose work is well-accepted in SW Montana. He is also a webmaster and will be doing our paper's website. Can't wait to introduce him to you. We think and hope that the Internet will open doors for selling enough subscriptions to keep the paper going. I sorta think it shall. But his layout of the hardcopy issues will be very artful and tastefully done, and we are excited as we wait to see the first issue.


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The Patriot was a very well-done, professional publication and I'm sorry that after all the work you put into its launch, you now have to begin again (and now in competition with your own old paper?).

(snip)

We won't actually be competing with the GV Patriot, as they will continue to take the more-certain path of pleasing their advertisers' wishes regarding content. And we will become a "national" paper, which I do not believe the Patriot wishes to be. I have no laments about the work we put into the first issues of GV Patriot, because our first issue in and of itself did establish Joan, Don, and self with a wide readership here in Montana, so we'll actually have much good will upon which to launch our new venture. We'll just build on what we've already tried to accomplish. But Claire, I'm glad you liked the quality of the Patriot. I was proud of that first issue, and am glad you approve of our work on that one. I hope that our new newspaper will gain your approval. I'll send you a copy when it comes out. Thanks for posting on this thread. :)

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: iloilo on October 13, 2009, 02:16:13 pm
Well, heck, sign us up for the new paper, for sure.

Darn!  Hate to hear that such a great start got ambushed.

Glad you all got free, and glad you have the ethics to get Free, and more glad you all are making tracks to a new voice.

Let me know how I can help.
ff
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 13, 2009, 02:26:01 pm
Weird. Possibly criminal. Though I'd have to read the contracts to determine that. There were contracts?

Contracts? Bill, you know I'm a danged anarchist, yes? I don't "do" papers of that sort, lol! :)

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Good luck with The Montana Messenger. I suppose you could rename this board. Old name: The Gallatin Valley Patriot. New name: The Montana Messenger. Add a blurb to the initial post explaining things.

Thanks sincerely, Brother. I'll think up something, some way to make a smooth transition from GV Patriot to Montana Messenger here.

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I'm off to unfan the Patriot's Facebook page.

Facebook? ack! Didn't know the Patriot had a page with them. But please know that, although Joan is still pissed about what happened, I've forgiven all and am focused on stepping forward with renewed vigor. But perhaps we can count on you to give us a boost on your awesome website, eh? That would be wonderful. I'll post you up when our site goes live. Thanks, Mon!

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 13, 2009, 02:36:24 pm
Good grief! Transmogrification at the Patriot?

I'm with Claire... wondering where you get the energy. But God bless you for not giving up.

As always... let me know how I can help. :)

Thanks, my friend. About my energy, I ain't got none. I just operate on sheer fear, lol! :)

This is not the time or place to go into it, but I'll tease you further by letting you know that I've also got another project ongoing presently, which will likely surprise you. I'll be announcing that project here within weeks. And to cap things off, Basil and I are just about to announce (this week, prolly) our new business' website, which I hope all here will enjoy browsing. So what I'm dealing with here is a grouping of three projects. My only lament is that too much work interferes with my relationships with my two katties, who have no concern whatsoever about my "deadlines" or projects, lol. The younger one, Coco, needs lots of action with the "rope-snake" which lives in the livingroom and which tantalizes her to no end as it swishes around the carpet causing her to leap and bite and claw the thing unmercifully, purring all the while, and Opie has to have his daily walks with old Elias. Have to accommodate the little creeps from time to time, yes? I'm thankful for my katties, who keep me grounded as best they can. Now if I could just find some time to sleep..... :)

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 13, 2009, 02:40:18 pm
Sorry to hear about problems with the Patriot.

However, I for one would be interested in subscribing to The Montana Messenger if someone would kindly provide the info whenever it becomes available.

Best of luck with the new endeavor Elias.

Bless you and thank you, Clip! We just got a post-office box and Joan is waiting for one last paper from the State of Montana before opening the paper's bank account. I will create a thread here in this subforum with all subscription details as soon as we're up and running, probably about one more week or so. I truly appreciate your wanting to subscribe, and we'll be happy to see that you get each issue mailed to your door or P.O. box, whichever you wish. Way to go! :)

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 13, 2009, 02:47:39 pm
Well, heck, sign us up for the new paper, for sure.

Darn!  Hate to hear that such a great start got ambushed.

Glad you all got free, and glad you have the ethics to get Free, and more glad you all are making tracks to a new voice.

Let me know how I can help.
ff

Bless you and thank you, feralfae! I'll get with you shortly on some details. Hopefully you and your organization in Helena may wish to help distribute the paper in your neck of the woods. Not to spoil a surprise for you, but I'll let you know now that our inaugural issue will have a fully-featured article on FIJA, already written and ready to go - in fact, that was one of the articles which got cut in our second issue of the Patriot. The Montana Messenger will loyally and dutifully keep a presence of FIJA in each issue. But like I said, I'll get with you shortly about some details, like getting some of your artwork for FIJA graphics which we'll run. The Montana Messenger fully believes in FIJA and hopes you will approve of our coverage of your important organization.

Thank you for everything, feralfae. :)

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Clip Johnson on October 13, 2009, 04:01:01 pm
Sorry to hear about problems with the Patriot.

However, I for one would be interested in subscribing to The Montana Messenger if someone would kindly provide the info whenever it becomes available.

Best of luck with the new endeavor Elias.

Bless you and thank you, Clip! We just got a post-office box and Joan is waiting for one last paper from the State of Montana before opening the paper's bank account. I will create a thread here in this subforum with all subscription details as soon as we're up and running, probably about one more week or so. I truly appreciate your wanting to subscribe, and we'll be happy to see that you get each issue mailed to your door or P.O. box, whichever you wish. Way to go! :)

Salute!
Elias

Thanks Elias, but truthfully, all the blessings and thank you's should go to you and all the fine folks involved with you. From a personal standpoint, I can't even begin to tell you how much your tireless efforts are so immensely appreciated by me, and I'm absolutely positive a multitude of others as well. Particularly those who haven't yet heard of you and The Montana Messenger.

I pray that the Good Lord will abundantly bless your work so as it will prosper and reach more folks that you can possibly imagine. Fact is our country desperately needs a venue we can trust and go to for the truth.

I'm definitely looking forward to getting my subscription started.
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on October 13, 2009, 10:51:30 pm
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Yer right, Claire - it's downright weird. As Don puts it, we got sabotaged from within.

Or sabotaged before you started................after all, pasting some known names on the premier issue of a newspaper could serve to build a subscription list in very short order..........
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 15, 2009, 06:21:10 am
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Yer right, Claire - it's downright weird. As Don puts it, we got sabotaged from within.

Or sabotaged before you started................after all, pasting some known names on the premier issue of a newspaper could serve to build a subscription list in very short order..........

Well, I can stretch to see your point, ZooT, but in all honesty the GV Patriot was not started with "subscriptions" in mind. We intended to finance the paper with advertising, not with subscriptions. And I'm comfortable in thinking that the owner was not attempting to take advantage of the staff. The owner is a good person, but one who succumbed to fear that advertisers would not support the paper if what the staff prepared for the 2nd edition managed to somehow get into print. We did design a 9/11 Truth issue - and as you know, most people (and many advertisers) can't tolerate my "conspiracy theories" about 9/11. I don't really blame the owner, but would have preferred that we be told beforehand that our articles would be subjected to censorship prior to printing. That caught us by surprise.

But as I noted already, I've forgiven that little problem and am focused on moving forward with The Montana Messenger. Joan and I are devoted to printing a quality paper which is unfettered by commercial or politically-correct reins. America is in dire peril. We know it, and we're going to print it.

I've learned something while doing the GV Patriot. I've learned that the people know they're being denied the truth. I've learned that the people want the truth. And I've learned that while anyone can find the truth online, it's a whole 'nuther matter to stand on Main Street with a copy of a published paper in one's hand and get the truth in hard-copy. It's different than reading articles on an electronic screen. Holding a paper in one's hands and reading it gives a greater sense of validity. It is a more-direct and more-powerful experience in reading. There's just something about it. It works. You'd be pleased if you saw the volume of communications I've received from that first issue. People loved it. We had a great thing going there. It's too bad we could not make good on the promises I made in my first editorial. Maybe I'll just paste part of that in right here....
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The Gallatin Valley Patriot is pleased to offer a new venue which shall not be associated in any way with any partisan political platform. This monthly newspaper is devoted to the people. Our goal is to be a voice for the people, for our families, for our communities. We, the people, rise above, and intend to live above, the political circus brought to us by the two major political parties and an out-of-control Federal government. We intend to speak out about that. Fiercely and faithfully.
The Gallatin Valley Patriot knows that divisive tactics which mark today's political arena are being used to control our perceptions. This paper will not bow to that madness. In truth, millions of Americans and thousands here in Gallatin Valley and surrounding areas are alarmed, are informing themselves with the truth, are disgusted with the performance of today’s political idiocy, are fearful of Federal dominance over the smallest details of their daily lives, and are seeking solutions.
The Gallatin Valley Patriot is here in support of the awakening citizenry. Our readers care. Our readers are vocal. They are engaged. They are motivated. And they are educating themselves and their neighbors swiftly now. Grassroots is the wave of the future, and it begins right here in our lovely valley and surrounding areas, in Montana, and indeed all across America.
We know and assert boldly that the U.S. Federal government was created by the Constitution, and that the Constitution came before the government. It is honorable to pledge our allegiance to that Constitution, to its original wording and spirit, to the morality it embodies, and we state candidly that our allegiance to the Federal government is contingent upon the government's compliance with the limits and demands placed upon it by its founding legal charter. We are Patriots.
We welcome the awakening citizens from all political camps, Left, Right, Center, and Other, who have grown frustrated and discouraged by overwhelming Federal and State abuse and criminality. Our reader is politically aware, patriotic, loyal to traditional American values, is industrious and creative, is entrepreneurial, and appreciates our sponsors / advertisers who make this paper possible.
We are the Gallatin Valley's new watch-dog and whistle-blower. You, the reader, have every right to transparent governance, have every right to know what is shaping government policy, have every right to expect our government to honor the U.S. Constitution, and have every right to expect and demand of that Constitution the full protection of your unalienable rights as human beings and as citizens. It is your Constitution. It’s time to use it.  Help us pass the word.
The Gallatin Valley Patriot intends to expose violations of our highest law wherever we find transgressions, and our promise to you the reader is that we shall work tirelessly to get unbiased information into your hands. That is our primary purpose.

- end quoted passages from my editorial in issue 1 of GV Patriot -

That's what I promised in our inaugural edition.

When I saw what happened to my work with the 2nd issue, and could not reach consensus with the paper's owner, I felt I had no choice but to resign. I think I made the right decision. But the people who got that issue loved it. Six thousand copies disappeared very quickly. People have been requesting more copies ever since. People here in Montana want a paper which would deliver just what I had promised, and Joan, Don, and I are determined to give it to them, even if we have to do it ourselves with a new paper.

We are finding, however, that support exists for The Montana Messenger. That support exists because of reasons I've just written above - there is more power in the printed word than in the electric word. (Not to diss the Internet, of course - I'm a loyal fan of the Internet and am grateful for it.)  But people get more out of something they can hold in their hands. It's just that simple. It's more personal, more believable, and more sensible. And, because it's more "real" in that way, it carries with it a feeling of value. Our first issue was the sort of paper which people enjoyed sharing with friends. Lots of people called me requesting extra copies for their friends and families. The paper got mailed all over the place. Here are some names who  received copies - G. Edward Griffin, Katherine Albrecht, Devvy Kidd, Edwin Viera, Vin Suprynowicz, Claire Wolfe, Lt.Cmdr.David Gillie, Stewart Rhodes, Anton Chaitkin, Lt.Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, and many more. When I went to Helena this past September 12, 2009, for an Oath Keepers ceremony, people were passing that issue around in the crowd at the Capitol's steps.

So. There is nothing left to do but launch another attempt to get the truth out there in print. We'll be using a 40 lb. "Book" paper, same as the GV Patriot uses. It will be printed in full color. It will be laid out for printing by a very good fine artist. It will have a website. Our printer is set up for direct mailing to all subscribers. Our list of writers is growing, and just yesterday I got written permissions from Katherine Albrecht (author of Spy Chips - see her in Aaron Russo's film, America: Freedom To Fascism). She has invited me to interview her. I'll happily do so.

The Montana Messenger is going to come out of the gates flying high, and like the Red Tailed Hawk of Native American mythology, it will carry the message of truth far and wide. I'll send copies your way as soon as it comes off the press. And ZooT, this time there will be no "sabotage" from within. Joan, Don, and self are all in total consensus about the paper's mission - and we've got a lot of very good support from very good people. Exciting!

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: freewoman on October 15, 2009, 12:14:43 pm
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Holding a paper in one's hands and reading it gives a greater sense of validity.

I would agree.  The tangibility of it, plus the truth contained therein, is important.  An individual was questioning me on the wisdom of doing a "dead trees" paper in this day and age, when many such entities are going out of business.  I mentioned the tangibility factor, plus another fact that he had not considered.  There are plenty of folks out there who don't have good internet connections (especially in rural areas).  Web surfing can be an almost painful experience for such individuals, and it makes it difficult to look up the tremendous amount of information available.  (I know that before I got DSL, I did very little surfing; when a search engine brings up millions of hits of questionable congruence, going more than a page or two into the results while on dial-up is not a a fun prospect.)  In some ways, a well-prepared article in a printed paper helps pre-screen information for people, so they can search for facts in a more directed manner.  Time will tell whether or not we're correct!
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: iloilo on October 15, 2009, 12:31:30 pm
And there is the personal share factor: I can read it, tell someone about an article, give them my copy, they can pass it on, and maybe as many as ten people will read part or all of that paper, especially if it is left in a coffee shop or tea house.
ff
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Clip Johnson on October 15, 2009, 01:04:35 pm
I definitely agree Feralfae and Freewoman. To me it's very similar to owning an actual hard copy of a book, or reading it online. I personally would much rather read the book in my hands as opposed to doing so online. But there are so many folks getting info on the web nowadays that this option can be left out. I am tickled pink that you guys are doing both. And once again, I very much look forward to having a copy in my grubby little hands that I receive every month in my grubby little mailbox.
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 15, 2009, 02:24:49 pm
freewoman, feralfae, Clip Johnson -
Thanks for your replies. It's all good. We will take pride in delivering to each of you our inaugural edition. I'll be busy here getting it all ready to go. I appreciate your support. I'll have more to announce soon.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 22, 2009, 02:27:46 pm
First issue of The Montana Messenger will be in our hands on Tuesday, October 27, 2009. We're printing six thousand copies, and can reprint more if needed.

I will begin a new thread here shortly to fill in all the details. We are now ready to begin soliciting subscriptions and advertising from the public at large. All correspondence via U.S. mail is to be addressed to -

The Montana Messenger
P.O. Box 103
Three Forks, Montana 59752

Joan has applied for a business banking account, but the State of Montana has its share of bureaucratic red tape, and is being too slow in providing forms requested by the bank, so, until we can get the business account open we shall use Joan's personal account. To order subscriptions or make donations, address checks and money-orders to - Joan Stanley. Then mail to the above address. Thanks! :)

Our first issue will hit next Tuesday, October 27, 2009. We can begin mailing to our readers by Thursday, October 29, 2009.

Joan, Don, and myself are very pleased and excited. We've put together a high-quality paper, printed on 40-lb "book" stock with full color. Our list of writers is awesome. The content is cutting-edge and bold. We're sure that all concerned Americans will want to support this paper and will share it with friends and neighbors, and we hope that it's a paper anyone would want to collect and save for future reference. There is much to tell you about what we're doing, but I'm pressed to get the lay-out ready for printing. I'll be starting several new threads here in the next few days. Thank you each for your interest and support!

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: MamaLiberty on October 22, 2009, 03:11:02 pm
Sounds great! Can't remember if you said how much the subscription is...
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Clip Johnson on October 22, 2009, 05:52:02 pm
Sounds great! Can't remember if you said how much the subscription is...

Yes, I was wondering that myself.
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: gaurdduck on October 22, 2009, 08:44:24 pm
Sounds great! Can't remember if you said how much the subscription is...

Yes, I was wondering that myself.

As was I.
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 22, 2009, 09:26:32 pm
I'm glad to see some eager responses concerning the subscriptions. Since subscriptions will be the backbone of our financing after this first issue, we're going to really hope to see subscriptions come in.

We are offering 6-month subscriptions (one paper per month for six months) for $35.00 each subscription. We will consider yearly subscriptions in the near future, but to begin our venture we're only offering six-month subscriptions.

We are, however, gratefully accepting any and all donations from good folks who want to help ensure that the paper is successful. Donations will not be tax-deductible, but they sure will be appreciated. Joan, Don, and self are giving this all we've got, and because we're making a very high-quality paper with an expensive lay-out department and a costly printing company, each month's issue is very pricey to us. This is a paper we think people will save, so we want to make it as nice as a newspaper can be. Can't wait to get it into everyone's hands and hear feedback from readers.

So - just send contributions, donations, and/or thirty-five dollar subscription requests, as checks or money-orders, to the address above in this thread. And then give yourself a well-deserved pat on the back for doing something positive to help inform America about what's happened to our country, what is behind it all, where "they" are trying to take our nation, and why. Supporting The Montana Messenger is, in my opinion, a wonderful way to actually do something for the liberty movement. I truly hope all readers will agree with that after they read our first issue.

I must pause on this thread now for a few days - in fact, I must pause here at TMM for a few days, because not only am I getting this newspaper ready to print this weekend, I'm also traveling to Las Vegas to attend the Oath Keepers conference. (Not my fault - blame Stewart, right?) I'll be back in Montana before Tuesday afternoon, when we're scheduled to pick up six thousand copies of the coolest newspaper in the nation.... :)

Fare well over the weekend,
Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Clip Johnson on October 22, 2009, 09:41:48 pm
Thanks for the info, and do have a safe trip Elias!
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: gaurdduck on October 22, 2009, 10:06:52 pm
Sadly, more than $20 a year is too much for my budget.
Title: Re: A Red Tailed Hawk _ The Montana Messenger
Post by: Elias Alias on October 22, 2009, 11:48:41 pm
Sadly, more than $20 a year is too much for my budget.

Hmmm.... are you sayin' that Fedgov's fiscal policies of late have reduced you to sub-poverty levels of cash? I can appreciate that. Send me, by PM here, your snail addy and I'll spring for postage myself and mail you our inaugural copy free of charge next week when I'm back from the convention. Thanks for your interest in the paper.

Leaving now for my trip. Will check for messages when I get back.

Salute!
Elias