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Title: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on October 16, 2008, 01:09:43 pm
It’s been one of those mornings where things actually go like they are supposed to: breakfast, math without whining – you know how rare that around here? I decided to take the kidlets up for a breather back in the woods. Right now the leaves are turning those indescribable colors adults fight so hard to describe with piddly little words like flame, blazing or glorious – I thought we could talk about the science of chlorophyll and dormancy – ya’ know stupid adult stuff.

The younger two gravitated toward their new toy – a 40 ft tree pushed over with a root ball the size of a VW. Those of you who are parents know what I mean – the kind with broken off branches just waiting to impale them and spindly little branches that look as thin as spider silk just waiting to collapse under the precious cargo they hold 10 feet up in the air. I crouched down in the grass and tried to figure out how to bring up the lesson. Thankfully I kept my mouth shut long enough to listen to them educate the older sibling about science.

“No. It’s an X-Wing fighter stupid! Can’t you tell from the dimensions that this would never pass as a transport ship?”
“I don’t know what the gravitational pull would be. Let’s just pretend we are too far from any planets to worry about it.”
“That’s not mud. It is our high density sealant. What’s wrong with you?”

Two hours later we traipsed down the goat run – some of us covered in sticky clay from the numerous sliding/jumping/falling off of their tree – and it was good.

Silly stuff on a day when I wonder how many will be left before the worry sets in for them – maybe we all need to climb a few more trees and play in the mud. I know I do.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 06, 2008, 09:08:45 am
What our unschooler decided to do yesterday (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/3007409917/).

After reading chapter 3 of Bushcraft by Richard Graves, one of the kidlets disappeared for about 3 hours. I did peek to try and figure out what she was doing through the upper window. Some limbs, twine rope and a hundred or so knots later - the Hammock came into being.

Gotta love it!
 mutti
(Chapter 4? Food and water - this should be interesting!)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Junker on November 06, 2008, 01:40:17 pm
 :laugh:

fun

 :laugh:

as life's school is any schoolin' oughta be
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: reformedneocon on June 08, 2009, 04:10:03 pm
Wonderful!  So sad to think how little time most kids spend outside!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on July 30, 2009, 08:52:32 am
Well - either I haven't learned anything about HSing recently or we have been pretty busy.

Our eldest has been training to learn to handle, drive, 'tack up", clean up, etc mini and draft Horses.  The farrier even thinks she would make a good assistant when she is old enough - another HS project!

I cannot stand the smell of the critters, but apparently it is the "perfume of the ages" for a 12 yo girl.

She has spent quite a bit of time being "socialized" with the horsey group and her confidence/independence is really improving.

For those of you who can see photos, here is a link to one of her new friends:

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLanding.action?c=i3hlm27.bbfx7qur&x=0&h=1&y=-w539w4&localeid=en_US

She is 5' 1 3/4" - the horse seemed 10' tall - I guess I overestimated!





Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 10, 2009, 09:24:48 am
Kids listen and apply what one does in their daily lives.

Our 8yo just brought me a subscription card to Shotgun News. She made up an email so she doesn't want to get spammed.  lol! How funny is that? mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: LaughingBear on August 11, 2009, 01:12:38 pm
Your kids have great imaginary skills.

My 20 month old (I'm a start over dad with a 26yo, a 21yo and a 20mo) will not stand for staying in the house, she is constantly bringing me her "outdoor" shoes and taking me by the hand and leading me outside.  She has no desire whatsoever for television and I believe that she would stay outside 24/7 if we would let her.

My first two were in the public education system, but my youngest will be home schooled, for many reasons, the least of which is not the experience that my first two kids had in the public system...

I'm happy to find a "home schooling" category here. :-)

Jeff
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 11, 2009, 01:15:13 pm
Wow! Sounds like you have a good relationship with your daughter.

There are many here with lots of experience with Homeschooling and we like to share information when we can.

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: BladeGuru on August 12, 2009, 07:15:04 pm
One thing I am consistently reminded of in helping out homeschoolers is that parents don't really put enough time into creating a curriculum that fits a child's learning personality. Kids don't pop out of the womb completely blank slate. they have personalities that develop. As such, parents should home test their children with psychological testing tools, including the latest DSM tests, enneagram tests, etc to find out how a child perceives the world.  Regular standardized testing helps as well. I help out several parents in my spare time tutoring kids and have redesigned curriculum that by and large, were not challenging enough because the parents didn't know the subjects well enough to administer them!!!!!!

Constant stimulus from an early age: classical/baroque music, TV shows that highlight learning, lots and lots of reading. Science Fiction is great. Also great emphasis should be on developing reading skills even earlier than you thought. Without question I endorse nearly every speed reading technique out there. I use a combination of various reading methods, including Howard Berg's method and PhotoReading, which I endorse heavily. I am not a shill mind you. Not affiliated with them in any way. Just came across the method at the public library. Been using it for since college and I couldn't live without it. My kids WILL LEARN photoreading when the time comes.

Also, I've been teaching kids vedic math principles. Helps kids from arithmetic thru calculus 1 so your kids can learn to do math at light speed too.

People approach math all wrong. Here in the US math is approached like a chore. Survivalism is great for kids in that they learn the necessity for math from day one. From ration requirements to engineering a house, math is used.

I teach my kids heavily with the history of mathematics. I regale them with tales of Archimedes and Da Vinci when we talk about trebuchets and mirrors that burn.

Your 12 year old wants to drive to the mall right? Well explain to them that they have 4 years to save up money and calculate how much that has to be to drive a car. Explain to them that you are willing to help them build their car.. a diesel k5 blazer that they can trick out, paint, haul kids around in, etc. IF they are willing to save to buy it and learn how to rewire it, learn how to do body work. Then, when they want to buy something else, pay them back for it and use it as your BOV!!!

Of course they can make a little money on the side contracting with local restaurants to get rid of their fry grease so they can refine it themselves and run biodiesel.... which leads them to a real world chemistry lesson.

In short if homeschool fails... it is most often that the parents have not done their homework... not the kids.

Blade Guru
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Claire on August 12, 2009, 07:41:30 pm
She has spent quite a bit of time being "socialized" with the horsey group and her confidence/independence is really improving.

For those of you who can see photos, here is a link to one of her new friends:

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLanding.action?c=i3hlm27.bbfx7qur&x=0&h=1&y=-w539w4&localeid=en_US

She is 5' 1 3/4" - the horse seemed 10' tall - I guess I overestimated!


Not having children, I don't visit the h'sing forums often. But I happened in here and ... mutti, that is one gorgeous horse!

As a person who read a lot of horse books when she was 10 but knows absolutely nothing about them now, may I venture a guess ... it is a percheron?

BTW, the other reason I don't spend time in the h'sing fora is that the wonderful things you folks relate about your kids and their lives fills me with envy and regret for both my standard 12 years in the state prison camp and all the lost opportunities for exploration and achievement. Ah well, too late for most of us grownups, but bless those talented, adventurous kids.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 12, 2009, 10:29:20 pm
Claire - Yep - it is a Percheron. My vocabulary in horse knowledge is expanding because I want to listen/understand what kidlet is so excited about.

We are glad you drop by periodically just to see what our little critters are up to - your are welcome to borrow a little vicarious living if you choose to from them! Funny how having the kidlets enjoying their childhood makes up a little bit for the 12 years of insanity that many of us had to put up with.


BladeGuru -  Welcome to the HS'ing thread.

As to the testing, evaluating, Psych evals,DSM,  et al., sounds like you have a path worked out for your kidlets future.

We tend to be "Unschoolers" and that works well for us. One of the joys we have is  the opportunity to observe their development.  Our children create their own curriculum and incorporate that into their daily living.

You are correct that each child has their own learning patterns. Our goal is to encourage them to find what their driving interest(s) are and expand from there.

mutti

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on October 05, 2009, 11:12:34 am
Minions like gross/fascinating things as much as I do!

While reading Jared Diamond's "Collapse : How Societies Choose to Live or Fail", I came across an interesting discussion about  Wiki link   Packrat Middens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pack_rat#Pack_rat_midden)

Specifically this little snippet Page 145:

"For those of you who (like me until some years ago) have never seen packrats, don't know what their middens are, and can't possible imagine their relevance to Anasazi prehistory, here is a quick crash course in midden analysis. In 1849, hungry gold miners crossing the Nevada desert noticed some glistening balls of a candy-like substance on a cliff, licked or ate the balls, and discovered them to be sweet-tasting, but then they developed nausea." snip

To find out why minions thought this was so cool and why I will be checking our ds' room very frequently - follow the WIKI description above.

mutti

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Zookeeper on October 06, 2009, 12:02:36 am
Yuck!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: slidemansailor on October 06, 2009, 12:35:44 am
Mutti, that was a fine opening image.

Count me as one more who regrets not knowing enough about the alternatives when I had children to raise. One got a 3 year scholarship in a private high school that opened MY EYES to a U.S. history that was different from the one poured into my head. The second got fed up and quit in her HS junior year. She later excelled for a portion of a university nursing program. The third needed a Waldorf School to take her from 4th grade to 8th grade in one year and a public "alternative" HS to get her out of the system with honor intact.

Of course the worst sin is that I got 12 years of indoctrination making me incapable of correctly educating my kids.  It's a dang fine mess they've made for us.

HOWEVER, you home schoolers of today are far more heroic than any football star on the big screen TVs of the world.  Thank you for doing what you do.  Keep it up for them and all of us.. please.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on October 06, 2009, 08:00:35 am
I had debated about putting this in the "What we did to prepare" thread. The 6 yo said "So that is why you tell us not to eat stuff in the woods without knowing what it is!" (of course he does not like Coyotes, so actually wondered if he should create his own midden - yuck).

We are lucky that we have this opportunity to guide our minions along.

Example:

This "lesson" began with Pack rat middens and progressed: South West tribes, pictographs, Super Novas, Scientific Classification, ways critters defend themselves from predators.....

I hope that this is is how they choose to learn throughout their lifetime.

Having been educated through PS and being very frustrated when something of interest came up in one hour then hurried through to something else "testable" - I am working on not doing that!

Sailor - sounds like your kidlets found their paths. "We" (as a society) judge so quickly those little square pegs that just refuse to have the corners pared off to fit in a round hole.

mutti

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: bull on October 06, 2009, 07:19:19 pm
mutti my kids go to a church school, i wish i could home school them , i dont think thay would live throu it.
my oldest was on the trap line at 16 months, and i would put a snare on her to keep her out of the coon poop.
and counting bullets over and over, time well spent .
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on October 13, 2009, 07:48:57 am
As a parent I have a lot of "assumptions" - normally that leads to interesting experiences.

Example:

Stalking the Wild Asparagus  by Euell Gibbons (wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euell_Gibbons))has become sort of a "go to book" for 2 of our minions. They became excited when after fermenting various over ripe fruits/veggies and mixing with mud, there was a real "wild food" book available.

Reading about Candied Acorns, they began a hunt for the variety we have littering the deck and paths.  They also heroically climbed the rope to get to the top of the slide and I pretended I did not notice them for hours leaning off the top of the slide (with it's 15' drop) to get the best acorns right off of the tree.

After my heart stopped pounding, I explained that the green acorns would not work for the process and they distributed their 10#s or so back "to the wild". A few days later I noticed the younger snuffing around like a little piglet gathering his treasures off of the ground. Lovingly he pocketed them (note to self : ensure pockets are cleared before washing) and dumped them into a 1 gallon bucket.  He then carefully cleaned a 1/2 gallon container, dried it and put in his haul. Because I was in the middle of pears, I ensured him that later we would work on his project.

A week later while finishing teaching all of them how to patch the knees of their jeans, we noticed a movement on the table. Four pairs of eyes focused on the object : An Acorn. Out of the side of the little treasure emerged a pin sized white dot. We gazed as 2 little eyes developed, a remarkably pudgy body squeezed through, and then the entire critter. At 1/2" long it wasn't really threatening, until we all in concert turned our eyes to the 1/2 gallon glass jar.

Describing the seething mass of small white bodies that were a few inches deep on the bottom won't really explain the squishy shiver that traveled up and down my spine. However, the gatherer breathed a huge sigh of relief. "Thank goodness we were too busy to try them last week."

So - my assumptions were these:

1. Minions would know enough to pick-up ripe acorns vs green - Nope. I should have been clear in what they should look for.
2. Minions would know enough to examine for little borer holes as they gathered - Nope. Hadn't addressed that step either.
3. Kids are smarter and more observant (i.e. I was too busy to help) than we think.

I spent yesterday, with some intermittent help, picking up/sorting acorns. We will try the boiling, baking, candying project later this week.

Engaging them through assisting in projects has always been my goal, but deep down I am a little glad we were too busy (all protein issues aside).

mutti





Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on January 07, 2010, 01:30:18 pm
Kid aren't afraid to ask:

"Let's say we got in an accident and had to leave the car and were walking out in the middle of nowhere...how would we know where we were walking was safe?"

I sent out the questioner to take this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/4253974643/

and we sat down to discuss how by looking at the "markers" (i.e. trash willow, fallen log, lack of brush/grass tips with just an inch or so of now having fallen on bear ground, etc.) could help us see what might be under the snow.

We also discussed using a walking stick to try to help in identifying a little more what is under our feet. 

In the above photo, a child under 50 or 60#'s would be able to walk out about 1/4th of the way : the ice would then crack depositing the child in the water with slippery dry snow to try and get purchase on. A possible disaster.

I'm glad that questions are not verboten

mutti

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on January 07, 2010, 07:31:16 pm
reminds me of how my public schooling was being quietly supplemented by mom and dad.   It constantly amazes me how some people I know REFUSE to explore stuff.   I have one friend, has had a computer for 4 years now, he can barely change the wallpaper.  I figured that out in 10 minutes, I think something about PS sucks that right out of you.

The talk about the X-Wing fighter and sealant, relates a lot to the play helicopter me and my sister made out of a picnic table.  We had been watching hueys on the news...........  I had to help dad repair the table later but it was all good :laugh:

Kids really learn by playing I learned by playing with dad far more than in school, that was more of remembering enough to pass a test.  With dad geometry, carpentry, history and a little bit of industrialization all got mixed into building a simple chicken coop.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: spatter on January 07, 2010, 09:11:10 pm
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Kids really learn by playing I learned by playing with dad far more than in school,

Have you seen the ads on TV telling kids to "Go out and play an hour a day".

They scare me.  Back in my day, we played outside from end of school til dark with a little time off for dinner.  All year round (in south Florida).  And in the summer all we did was play.

Yes, we had to help around the house and yard, but that was like play.  My favorite thing was gathering eggs.

I can only wonder how my dad would have responded to the idea of the gummint telling kids to PLAY!

Spatter

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Winston on January 10, 2010, 10:54:34 pm
Great to see someone giving their little uns an education that resembles life...

My years of PS I learned like 1000x more on days I skipped school and camped out in the adjoining woods for 7 hours with a friend or two than days I actually went. So you're doing the right thing! :laugh:
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on January 16, 2010, 07:21:21 pm
Each child has a different motivation for the actions that they take. I know that sounds like a  :doh: moment, but really how many of us as parents view our children as individuals vs "family unit parts"?

Example: Today I had to transport a buck somewhere for breeding and make a stop at a farm store. I explained last night to the minions that I was leaving by 7:00 am. If they wanted to go they needed to get up to help feed babies (5 am) on their own and complete all their tasks to go. Normal wake up is 7 or 8ish most mornings for them. This morning 2 popped up about the same time I got up and 1 stayed in bed until 6ish. When I was getting ready to leave, 7 yo minion said "I just wanted you to know that it's not that I didn't want to go with you today. I just have other plans that don't mesh with yours today." No problem, ND had a buddy today and we had a great time out.

The point I am trying to make here, is sometimes I "lump" them together because it is necessary (i.e. kidding season and I need runners back to the house for something) and sometimes their plans are different from mine which is fine also.

I am happy that Homeschooling allows some wiggle room vs "scheduling" because other wise how do children have the opportunity to decide what they as individual people need/want/desire?
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Winston on January 16, 2010, 08:51:45 pm
I did notice that you call your little individuals minions :laugh:

Kinda funny
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on January 17, 2010, 12:59:04 pm
I did notice that you call your little individuals minions :laugh:
Kinda funny

They actually titled themselves that during a role playing game (Never Winter Nights I think). They all wanted to be "Deekin" or Dalen. (sp). They specifically did not want to be "evil minions" though.
Sometimes they are "kidlets" or rug rats - just depends on how they/we are feeling.

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: amagi on January 17, 2010, 01:33:27 pm
I showed my 11 yo the picture of the ice and explained the problem.  He has been examining the landscape ever since and declaring to me where the ice is.
I have some trouble getting my city kid to take an interest in anything about the outdoors so I am mightily pleased.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on January 17, 2010, 05:59:14 pm
I showed my 11 yo the picture of the ice and explained the problem.  He has been examining the landscape ever since and declaring to me where the ice is.
I have some trouble getting my city kid to take an interest in anything about the outdoors so I am mightily pleased.

 :thumbsup:

Just keep trying - eventually you'll find something to interest him.  This Virtual Incubator for chicken eggs (D/U may not work so well) intrigued some 4Hrs that we forwarded it to.

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Winston on January 17, 2010, 06:17:29 pm
I did notice that you call your little individuals minions :laugh:
Kinda funny

They actually titled themselves that during a role playing game (Never Winter Nights I think). They all wanted to be "Deekin" or Dalen. (sp). They specifically did not want to be "evil minions" though.
Sometimes they are "kidlets" or rug rats - just depends on how they/we are feeling.



Don't sweat it, I was just funnin'  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on January 17, 2010, 11:34:58 pm
My mom also said "sometimes you have to just leave the kids alone and let them process, bombarding them with too much info can be as bad as not expecting enough of them."    That explains why she was kind of matter of fact when I didn't want to go to school because I was tired of all the people a couple of times.   "good, helping dad will be a change of pace then", I didn't get to be lazy, but I also got a change of pace.   The chat with dad while doing other things also would solve or get some suggestions about the school situation.........   I was generally expected to be in school, but "breaks"were permitted.

Today there would definitely be a PTB issue I suspect.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on January 26, 2010, 08:23:59 am
So I'm milking in the afternoon (a relaxing hour or so job for me) when I hear this thunk whap, thunk whap above me. Hanging up the pail and ushering out the doe, I shimmy up the ladder expecting to find minions smushed under 60 - 90# hay bales. Nope.

Seems they decided to move around some bales to create a "command center" while imagining they are in a drop ship/'mech.

My heart slows down and they are saying "Hey. We're supposed to get out and play an hour a day" -

makes sense to me!

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on January 26, 2010, 08:25:37 am
Dropship= Igloo  link to learning thing when they get back in?
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on January 26, 2010, 08:29:29 am
Hey - nice idea! Maybe it's time for the Igloo made with sugar cubes/frosting thing....if we had enough/any snow, they could do the snow cave again. ND tells me 6 miles up the road they got 1/2". mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on January 27, 2010, 10:31:04 pm
Giggle mania has hit the Druids Grove. Imagine wandering around hearing "Gelatinous Flatulence" (a new term coined by the 13 yo) and the various discussions thereof concerning changing Undies after the GF (change I can believe in  ^_^).

I suppose this would be verboten in some "Privately" attended schools - but not only is the terminology an interesting application of verbiage - it's kinda funny as well.

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on January 28, 2010, 04:45:05 am
Ahhh! the 13- 15 y/o years and playing with the language, a good thing it requires thought.  I kinda like the ring that has, it is almost polite........
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on February 22, 2010, 08:30:43 am
It's interesting how children's minds work.

Imperative things this week:

1) A stick with blood trace can take several hours to determine all the possible reasons how it got that way. The synapses are firing: Aliens, Coyotes, or Goose Attack? Hmm.

2) Newly planted seeds require, stressed by the minion, require the playing of Bagpipes or Bird Calls to ensure they grow appropriately. Numerous times, same bagpipe tune, over and over and over......or to accustom the pre-seedlings to the noises outside they will hear (Caw-Caw, Caw-Caw).

3) Puppy poop is much more interesting than adult dog poop. The color descriptions range from camo to moss (Also - did you know that dogs poop brown to camouflage their poop so they will not be found in the wild? Really - the 7 yo says so.)

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on March 12, 2010, 06:28:40 am
L0ol, they will learn on their own soon enough won't they?  Kids keep you flexible.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Who...me? on March 12, 2010, 02:08:35 pm
I am teaching the Grandboy his numbers and ABCs.  We count everything possible.  Puzzle pieces, noodles in his mac and cheese...etc.  So he just got over being sick with a head cold which produced the expected snot and boogies.  He decided that it was amusing to pick his nose and wipe it on Me-me's (grand ma) pants whether there were actual boogies or not.  So I figured why waste a good opportunity and asked him how many boogies he had place there.  So, much to my beloved SO's disgust, we spent a good part of yesterday afternoon counting boogies. 
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on March 12, 2010, 03:14:04 pm
I am teaching the Grandboy his numbers and ABCs.  We count everything possible.  Puzzle pieces, noodles in his mac and cheese...etc.  So he just got over being sick with a head cold which produced the expected snot and boogies.  He decided that it was amusing to pick his nose and wipe it on Me-me's (grand ma) pants whether there were actual boogies or not.  So I figured why waste a good opportunity and asked him how many boogies he had place there.  So, much to my beloved SO's disgust, we spent a good part of yesterday afternoon counting boogies. 

 :thumbsup:

Start them early ! lol
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on June 17, 2010, 02:19:35 pm
One of the minions has discovered Tom Brown's Field Guide to Nature and Survival For Children (http://www.librarything.com/work/611073).  Snare/trap construction has begun.

Apparently it is time to review the cartoon a friend sent me when I fell pray to the eldests pit trap

(http://www.shof.msrcsites.co.uk/parent.jpg)

Maybe I'll even encourage some G.I. Joe's. Since one school banned them (http://www.examiner.com/x-39124-Providence-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d17-School-bans-army-hat-Student-honors-military-violates-no-tolerance-weapons-policy-VIDEO) due to "Zero Policy" , it feels wicked good to give them Contraband  ^_^

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: coloradohermit on June 17, 2010, 04:30:27 pm
(http://creepygif.com/images/full/343.gif)

wicked wicked mutti!   ^_^
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 19, 2010, 05:23:12 pm
With a flexible schedule, after work is done - by both human and canine types - it is time to rest in the heat of the day :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/4898009913/

Try doing that at PS!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: crzydug2 on August 22, 2010, 08:57:05 pm
Hello all.  I am new here, and thought I'd throw in some thoughts for my first post.  While we don't HS, we wish that we could.  My son is autistic, and we simply aren't able to give him what he needs as far as schooling.  When I first meet my wife,(over 16 yrs ago) she was teaching 3rd grade in a catholic school.  At that time she frowned upon homeschooling.  Not for the education, but she felt that kids needed that socialisation at school to learn to deal with others.  She has made a compleate turnaround since then, and has said many times that if mac was developemently normal, we would be home schooling.  My hat's off to those of you who do.  I meet mutti and her family for the first time yesterday, and they are proof that it works.  If all kids were as wellmannered as hers, what a world it would be.  I look forward to meeting many more of you on these boards in the days to come. Thank you for letting me join you.  crzy

P.S.  Mutti, the pic is priceless
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 22, 2010, 09:18:52 pm
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I meet mutti and her family for the first time yesterday, and they are proof that it works.  If all kids were as wellmannered as hers, what a world it would be.

Nice to see you found us. crzydug2 was at the Appleseed yesterday - really nice shooting on your part and thanks for the pointers! BTW : if you'd like to post about your Appleseed Experience you can do so over here:    http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=26512.0

Also TMM also has a "New Member intro thread" : http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=12260.1365  just to explain the moniker if you'd like!

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The minions were nice on pain of death  :rolleyes:, but they did inform me that we won the Revolution. There is nothing so funny/interesting/serious as when your children discover something that one already knows and take for granted.  I listened while we heard the "living" history, but saw in their faces the light that comes from "Ya. That's sorta' cool."

As to the pic - all the critters at the DruidsGrove are cute (although I will say the ducks are so ugly that they are cute).
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on October 03, 2010, 08:59:53 pm
While not concentrating on HSing today, I learned something pretty cool about the younger minions. They think really really well.

A bit of background here. Weather is cooling down and the inside Pyrs like to catch frogs in the "upper pond of death"  while I collect various nuts before the goats try to scarf them down. Basically I crawl up/down the ravine areas collecting nuts, discarding those which the worms discovered before I did, and periodically being investigated by a calf in which "hope springs eternal" that I might just have a bottle hidden somewhere on my person. Sometimes minions help, sometimes they just sit to think and other times they roam the "wilds" doing things that might or might not meet with parental approval.

But back to the "upper pond of death" (which according to the furtile imagination of a 7 and 10 year old must contain at least pirahnas if not some deadly virus which will eat off their toes). Last year we had two trees fall, one a cedar about 30 feet long and the other an old oak that pulled up an impressive root ball about 6 feet tall. Minions have scampered along the cedar - slipping, but not quite sliding, down its 20 foot length. They have really been eyeing the oak -  a prohibitive 5 feet out through the sludge/water - they have avoided contact with the enemy. Today was the of what I would later come to find out was called "The Mission".

My attention was first drawn by the steady Thwack, Thwack, Thwack that can only be produced by wood on wood wielded by a 7 year old. How can they find such limitless energy is a source of wonder to me. So I settled in to watch the show while hidden 50' away behind the wild basil. Directed by the elder leader, the younger minion was sent on  scouting missions to locate solid wood from 3' - 5' long. He was cautioned however that he must only bring back structurally sound wood. So - off he roams to locate a likely construction material. Thwack, thwack - three hits with no splintering indicated a useful material which was then drug back to the awaiting bridge that was taking form. Ten minutes, a half hour and hour later - somehow I became captivated by the intensity in which they worked. A word here, a nod there, but commentary was kept to a minimum while they formed a bridge about 8 feet long and 3 feet wide.

I held my breath as they teetered across the structure to the oak, but I should never have doubted the ingenuitiy and persistence they were showing. They jumped with joy and clambered up on the oak which waited for them. They walked out - scanning the depths for denizens of the deep (I know at most two feet along that oak). I waited for them to call to tell me about their adventure, but they stretched out on their backs with outstretched arms like turtles warming in the sun and savoured their accomplishment before doing the "mommy ping".

While I am amazed at their efforts I am more astonished they:  chose an objective, finished it and that was reward enough for them. As they ran off to do something else, I looked around. Then I crossed their bridge, crawled up on the oak and laid back with my face tilted to the sun.  I felt more hope for the future knowing that somewhere out there are a multitude of minions moving forward. Numerically we cannot be the only parents that encourage "living life fully" to the next generation.



 
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: slidemansailor on October 03, 2010, 09:32:11 pm
Thank you, Mutti.
A most hopeful post.
I liked it in many ways.
A bit of regret for not having done as well in the parenting side.
Can't fix that now.
Move on.
Be glad some are doing it right.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on October 04, 2010, 08:36:30 am
I can't say the process works as the eldest (20) is out doing the early twenties brush up in ways I don't understand. I have regrets with the few years she had the indoc of "popular culture" (ages 10 - 14), but I cannot change her basic personality nor would I want to.

In many ways she is rebelling much earlier than I did. I hope she finds who she is.

As to the younger ones - gotta' say we are pretty blessed with them.

Thanks for the kind words.

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: s2man on October 10, 2010, 10:54:43 pm
Yes, great post Mutti. 

(look at me.  I finally got out of the gulching forum on TMM :-) 

How's this for Phys Ed?  The 11yo saved up her money and bought a pogo stick.  It arrived 3 days ago.  On her third, failed attempt to use it she muttered "Now I know why I gave my old one away".  But by the next day she bounced 110 times in a row.  The next, over 200 times, and she was bouncing around with no hands, waving her hands like a lunatic monkey.  And today, 360 bounces before she collapsed of exhaustion.  She had to run inside and look up the record.  1600.  At this rate, I guess it will only take her two weeks to break it. LOL   You are right, where do they get the energy?

I guess I need an intro if I'm going to post in the HS forum; I HS'd my three kids, all in their 20's now (three grand kids with another on the way).  My sister also HS'd her three, who are all attending college now, even though the youngest is 15.   Now, I'm remarried with an 11 yo.  My wife got laid off last year, so my sister and I encouraged her to HS.  We just started this fall.  With our recent move and all, we are not in full swing yet; Still waiting for some materials to arrive.  But it is an easy intro to HS for my wife with only one or two subjects per day.  Like my first wife, she wants me to handle math and science lessons.  The kiddo was VERY reluctant at first.  I guess she thought mom would just stand there and lecture her all day.  But now that she has books and assignments, she is eating it up.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing (Acorns/Guitars)
Post by: mutti on October 28, 2010, 10:38:54 am
I just wanted to point out that it's Acorn Season again. Minions were more than willing to help sort through a plastic bin of acorns we swept up to avoid the great "worm hatch" we experienced last year.

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A week later while finishing teaching all of them how to patch the knees of their jeans, we noticed a movement on the table. Four pairs of eyes focused on the object : An Acorn. Out of the side of the little treasure emerged a pin sized white dot. We gazed as 2 little eyes developed, a remarkably pudgy body squeezed through, and then the entire critter. At 1/2" long it wasn't really threatening, until we all in concert turned our eyes to the 1/2 gallon glass jar.

Describing the seething mass of small white bodies that were a few inches deep on the bottom won't really explain the squishy shiver that traveled up and down my spine. However, the gatherer breathed a huge sigh of relief. "Thank goodness we were too busy to try them last week."

We have been reading up more on the process of getting something useful from the Acorns, here is an interesting little site  (http://preparenownewsletter.blogspot.com/2009/02/acorns-can-be-people-food.html)that discusses uses/processing. I put about a pound in the oven to roast to see if that will make the crack, split, crack, split go a bit faster.

I did not know (http://www.prodigalgardens.info/processing%20acorns%20step%20by%20step.htm)

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They are an energy magnate containing 500 calories, 54 grams of carbohydrates and 30 grams of fat per cup of Acorn flour.

We gathered about 65# yesterday by sweeping the back deck, spent 2 hours sorting through for cracked/old/worm hole ones and have 3/5th of a 5 gallon bucket to process. That is a partial crop from one tree.

Now for our allergy knowledgeable people: Are acorns considered/treated as tree nuts? I'd hate to cause any problems by gift giving an Acorn Muffin.....

Also - besides Guitar for Mortals (Adrian Legg (http://www.adrianlegg.com/music.htm)) - anyone have any recommendations for Acoustical Guitar music. Youngest minion was really excited after listening to a friend play, so the guy located a full size guitar which minion can pay off over the next year ($10).  I can see in his face that this is one of those "It" moments and I'd like to tie in Geography, History, etc. to the learning process.

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 08, 2010, 08:24:30 am
Really the last two weeks have been a re-learning process for ND and I as we realized that we have strayed a bit from our original intentions in HSing (unschooling). In one particular area we have seemed to flow back to "by the book" education on our terms. For those passive resistance types, you have nothing on a 14 yo  ^_^. The minion loves science and will consume Asimov as if eating Ice Cream. Deciding to "challenge her" a bit - we decided to present her with a subject (chemistry) by the book. Only we forgot the most important part of education, which is allowing her to educate herself with some guidance. I'm proud to say that she simply resisted. Not that the material wasn't read or understood - but that the answering of questions unrelated to what she had/has interest in simply were not answered or answered in the most basic and stilted way.

We tried another text on the same subject with the same results.

As a parent the urge to push her to accept what I saw correct/appropriate quickly descended into a one sided discussion with the "blank look of dis-interest" on her part. At that point, ND and I sat down to discuss what exactly we were trying to achieve, did it line up with the concept of what we had proposed between ourselves, and how exactly had we gotten off track. It's not that she cannot do the work, it is simply that by presenting a "my way or the highway" kind of proposal - we did not provide what we really want in education - the ability to learn. We created the problem and it is up to us to create an opportunity for a solution.

What we decided to do was allow the subject to be chosen by her. With advance notice and the statement that whatever she chose would be acceptable, we made a special trip to the "big city" bookstore. In the end she chose a Biology Coloring Book (http://Biology Coloring Book) which is very similar to one we have worked through in the past (although that was a Zoology intro for late high school or early undergraduate studies).

(http://g.christianbook.com/g/product/0/0109014.gif)

It is interesting to see how we evolve and how we help others evolve. Hopefully we will continue on the correct path for her vs the path we want to be correct.

mutti



Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Klapton Isgod on November 08, 2010, 11:23:29 am
Here's something I would try to communicate to your 14 year old, because that's right about the age where they should REALLY be able to start more heavy-duty learning...

Once you make up your mind that you want be REALLY know something or be REALLY good at something, you HAVE to knuckle down and do some serious WORK that is NOT going to be very fun.  This is just the nature of things. 

For example:  music.  I am a competent professional musician.  But I'm not really THAT good.  I COULD have been REALLY good, if I had found the self-discipline and desire when I was younger to do boring stuff like rip through scale exercises until I could do them in my sleep.  But I didn't have the stomach for such boring things, and because of that, I was never more than a mediocre musician. 

I often wish my parents had pushed me harder when I was younger.  They were always encouraging and positive.  But they never MADE me practice.  And so I practiced very little.  I thought I didn't need to, since I was the best musician in my school.  I always nailed my parts.  So I coasted and skated through the years when I COULD have been grinding out those fundamentals and positioning myself for a truly remarkable career.
Title: (when did TMMrs know what their "it" was?)
Post by: mutti on November 08, 2010, 01:10:01 pm
Klapton - I totally agree. If you looked under "getting a C is passing so that's what I'll shoot for" in the High School dictionary - Mutti's picture would be there.

For things that she is interested in (German, Horse Husbandry, writing, photography) her brain is incredibly dedicated. She's ripping through her 3rd year of German (college equivalent) in the 8 months since she started. I sometimes wonder if we did not give her the option of all the languages but essentially dictated one - how far would she be?

She gulps Heinlein, Asimov, Feinstein, Fuller - then re-establishes their thought processes and theories in different applications. Asimov on Chemistry is "awesome" - Chemistry as an abstract concept? Not so much.

She hasn't determined what her "it" is yet. When she does however, we'll support her in every way possible. In the meantime a firm foundation in the basics (Science, Math, Literature, History, etc.) is what we are working on.
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Just curious - When did your music manifest itself as "the thing that Klapton does well"?

And to that point - when did others here at TMM find their "thing"? Did having your parents help/provide support make a difference in your ability?
 
For my childhood experience(s) I had pretty much no support. Until I went into foster care (about age 13ish) - grades didn't matter, there was no such thing as cleaning/cooking/family time unless "out of town Grandparents" were coming to visit.  In fact days/weeks could go by without seeing a related adult during the summertime.

It is in some ways "fun" as an adult because I can just try to do/learn anything I want to with no one to say "That's stupid" or "Why make that when you can just buy it.". I can read a book on the founding of Botswana, monetary policy or Mercades Lackey - it's up to what my choices are.  I have a driving knowledge to learn now I never did as a child.

Et tu?




Title: Re: (when did TMMrs know what their "it" was?)
Post by: Klapton Isgod on November 08, 2010, 01:30:16 pm
Just curious - When did your music manifest itself as "the thing that Klapton does well"?

I started playing in 5th grade, and it was immediately obvious that I was good at it.  There are/were several other musicians in my family, so this was no big surprise, but I am the only one who kept it up into adulthood.  In 10th grade, I placed 3rd in the state solo contest for my instrument.  At that point, a private instructor approached my parents about my taking private lessons.  That would be the point where things got more "serious."  At that point, it was a real possibility that I might pursue music as a profession.  But I didn't work as hard at my lessons as I should have.  My parents started to make my pay for them myself, in hopes that I would take them more seriously and practice more. 

During my senior year, I auditioned and was accepted to a private college, with a scholarship that would have paid for about 10% of the enormous cost of the school.  I realized at that point, while looking at the dollar signs and numbers, that I had better not do this, because I had neither the discipline for practicing nor the study skills for college.  And I SURE didn't have the money.

I joined the Army to get college money and grow the hell up.

While at the Army school of music, I was indeed FORCED to practice quite a bit.  I did manage while there to get all my major and minor scales under my fingers, etc.  (Something I should have EASILY done back in Jr. High, but no one ever made me do it.)  After that, I only ever practiced rough spots in parts that I had a hard time with.  I still continued to mature as a musician from constant performance.  For example, after 21 years of professional experience, I can hear things that 99% of the population does not.  Things like intonation and subtle changes in tempo, etc.  But my technique never significantly improved, because I still never put in the grinding drugery required to become a truly excellent technician.  There are varying degrees of talent, and I had just enough to be able to get by without working very hard... so I didn't. 
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: slidemansailor on November 08, 2010, 11:04:45 pm
Dang, we all stagger through life guided by the reflexive decisions we make at every "Y" intersection. C'mon you geniuses, admit that you tripped over your good luck.  I missed a hundred chances to be a millionaire - most of them because I lacked the killer instinct.

I played trombone since 4th grade. But all of my grade school, junior high and high school band masters taught marching in parades and on football field half-time shows instead of teaching us music.  So I found myself as an adult with over a decade of blowing noises out of a trombone, but no understanding of music.

Now I am beginning to teach myself music and find a wonderful, exciting world.  I want more. I regret the lost time. I resent what passes for music teaching in government-controlled schools.

Community bands are the answer.  Make them happen
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Bennie on November 09, 2010, 03:23:43 am
Dang, we all stagger through life guided by the reflexive decisions we make at every "Y" intersection. C'mon you geniuses, admit that you tripped over your good luck.  I missed a hundred chances to be a millionaire - most of them because I lacked the killer instinct.

and twice the kill was made......then pissed it away.......only some regrets felt at times as aging limits the opportunities

i agree with Klapton......sometimes one has to work at learning stuff they don't want to to do but it has to be done
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 09, 2010, 10:10:21 am
It is very interesting to see the what and how in hindsight that could have made us more/less of what we really are right now (don't read that unless you really need to  :rolleyes:)

Curiously Unschooling is less about letting the minions roll out of bed and decide what they want to do today. There are basic standards, but instead of sitting them down and pounding the book to make them learn - our challenge is to find out what makes them want to learn.

That is what makes HSing so difficult. It would be pretty easy to purchase a HSing package from the myriad of options, set up a "sit and do" schedule -  but then we are "Public Schooling at home".

An example here besides the Science issue. 10 yo dislikes History (unless it is Chinese/Asian) - pretty much avoids the books because they are "boring". So I walk into her room the other day and find Boorstin's Cleopatra's Nose stuffed under her pillow. I'd like to know why it is there (curiosity of parents and all that) - however I wait for it because I know that the conversation will arise. Sure enough this morning I hear her discussing with the younger minion how he "should take responsibility for his own actions like that old dead guy said." That "living is what humans do when they wake up from allowing themselves to be judged by others for doing so."  The conversation waxed and waned as I "didn't listen" to her interpretation of Michel de Montaigne's brief essay on "self-judgement". 

Now I could have said "Minion - you will do this. You will do it now. You will not get up until X is done." What exactly am I doing different than PS would do? Am I providing a learning opportunity? Can I offer it a different way? Should I engage their interest or demand their obedience? Do I want them to think or regurgitate?

What I do know is that if we continue to try to entice them into the amazing world of wanting to learn then the dedication does follow. I have to have enough faith in them to succeed to control my tendency to "over observe".

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I just wanted to point out that we seem to be raising pretty normal kids. They run with sticks, make mega-mistakes, moon over horses, go on a WII binge, laugh, cry and do all of the things that minions their age(s) should. I suppose raising normal is abnormal now. They aren't over scheduled where "fitting in dinner" becomes the plan nor do they walk about spouting quotes (except for Jimmy Buffett and that is ND's area of knowledge  ^_^). 

There are so many TMMrs that have extraordinary talents (music, writing, science, economic knowledge) that I hope someday our minions find their way here to learn as much as I have.

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Bennie on November 11, 2010, 03:52:34 am
mutti:

Please know that your knowledge on many things that you post here are truly a wealth of learning for me (whether it is how to cook rice or NAIS, etc). And that your sharing of you and your family at home are looked forward to reading as it warms my heart. I think you are one of the coolest women and mom I have had the opportunity to meet (from afar of course ND).
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 11, 2010, 07:36:52 am
Why thank you Bennie!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on November 11, 2010, 07:47:39 am
Have you tried goal setting?  Something like "can you write something down so I can see what you uncover by friday?" once they find something interesting.  OR "How long do you think it would take to .........."
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 11, 2010, 07:57:04 am
Have you tried goal setting?  Something like "can you write something down so I can see what you uncover by friday?" once they find something interesting.  OR "How long do you think it would take to .........."

That is what we found ourselves veering away from (unintentionally) as we "tightened down for their own good". Goal setting works for 2 of them if given verbally. The last likes "written/computer" structure.

So the plan with "the choice" is review on a weekly basis of what has been done (by us) and goal setting (by her) as to what she will accomplish. A few weeks should tell how it goes - the first few days are always like dating I find. About the third date you're thinking "Just why am I doing this again?" Until you find "the one" and say "I cannot wait to do this again!".
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: coloradohermit on November 11, 2010, 02:14:53 pm
mutti,  I wish I could remember the name of the book that probably saved our marriage by pointing out our differing methods of processing and incorporating information. DH is a visual learner and if something isn't written down it will never process for him.  I'm an auditory/physical learner, so you have to tell me or show me stuff for it to really sink in. Send me to the manual and a job becomes a major exercise. I did find something very similar to what I'm talking about online here (http://www.ehow.com/about_5263298_audio-versus-visual-learning.html). It sounds like you've already figured this out with your minions, but maybe someone else will benefit(as I did) from this info.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 11, 2010, 06:34:08 pm
coloradohermit - Oh thank you for reminding me, I have got to find the book and post the title that discusses different learning styles of children....it may have gone to live temporarily at a home where they are considering HSing. It might help someone else.

mutti
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Thanks for the link. I'm a "doer" and will never understand how someone can "read and achieve". An abstract concept confuses me (hence why Geometry was easier than Trig). I have to touch, read, write, do and know every part before I understand. When I was in school it was like "Read pages x - y and answer these questions". Somehow without someone showing me an application I was supposed to  know the "how".  I have to be really careful with "assuming" that the minions learn like either ND or I.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 17, 2010, 11:31:30 am
Found the book : Talkers, Watchers, & Doers (http://www.navpress.com/product/9781576835999/Talkers-Watchers-and-Doers-Cheri-Fuller) by Cheri Fuller

I purchased it as a 4 for 3 through Amazon - in all honesty I'd probably suggest others borrow it and purchase a lined notebook to jot down information instead.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on November 18, 2010, 05:35:37 am
Definately a watcher.  If I can see how it is done, and demonstrated, by a person in pictures, video, or real life, I can generally do it.  It may not be pretty the first few times, but it will work.  Pretty comes with practice........
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 23, 2010, 09:51:55 am
You know you are a fiscally concious prepper when as part of the HSing experience a minion runs up the stairs trailing about 6 squares of 2 ply Charmin - "It's like butter, like cream! Why don't we use this more often?"

When receiving the response "Too expensive for a roll every three days or so" minion goes off to see how many squares are in a roll and can he convince his sisters to use less squares. Then the conversation quickly dissolves into "If we use Aldi's it is x amount per sheet. So if we ration the good stuff, how many squares will we be allowed each day......"

Guess that's Math?   :rolleyes:

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Klapton Isgod on November 23, 2010, 10:26:50 am
You know you are a fiscally concious prepper when as part of the HSing experience a minion runs up the stairs trailing about 6 squares of 2 ply Charmin - "It's like butter, like cream! Why don't we use this more often?"

When receiving the response "Too expensive for a roll every three days or so" minion goes off to see how many squares are in a roll and can he convince his sisters to use less squares. Then the conversation quickly dissolves into "If we use Aldi's it is x amount per sheet. So if we ration the good stuff, how many squares will we be allowed each day......"

Guess that's Math?   :rolleyes:

Since this is the home schooling forum, I'm going to correct you on my favorite grammatical pet peeve.

You should have said, "fewer squares."

If you can count something individually, use "fewer".  If you cannot, use "less".  For example, my apple pie recipe uses less sugar, and fewer apples.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 23, 2010, 02:59:10 pm
Since this is the home schooling forum, I'm going to correct you on my favorite grammatical pet peeve.
You should have said, "fewer squares."
If you can count something individually, use "fewer".  If you cannot, use "less".  For example, my apple pie recipe uses less sugar, and fewer apples.

Thank you. I was not aware of that. Learned something new! mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: NuclearDruid on November 26, 2010, 11:43:42 am
Was out moving bee equipment when the mail man delivered the seeds we ordered from Psycho. Discovered that the behaviour of mustard and turnip seeds on the inside of the plastic bag can provide at least a half hour of entertainment. DD says "Hey, look! Static electricity." The next thing you know the rest are playing with the bags to see if they can make seeds jump off the wall when they approach it with a finger. Then come the inevitable seeds races on the inside of the packaging as they run their fingers along the plastic and watch the seed repel along the wall.

ND
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on November 27, 2010, 05:35:47 am
Static electricity attraction could be what first started the solar system to coalesce too......... amazing how much effect something so simple can have.  Entertainment and reality wise.........
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 27, 2010, 08:29:54 am
Static electricity attraction could be what first started the solar system to coalesce too......... amazing how much effect something so simple can have.  Entertainment and reality wise.........

Wow! Were you at the kitchen table? The conversation began a drift in that direction.......
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on December 03, 2010, 10:29:06 am
Tomorrow a minion turns 8. His older sister (20) is visiting for a few days while not getting hours at her jobs. Today as she and I are walking up to the barn, I ask her if she has a gift for him and does she want to leave it here for tomorrow? With her budget tight there are no extra FRNs laying about for a gift. I offered her one of the small things I have collected throughout the year, but that wasn't what she wanted to do.  She proposed that she offer to make the cake with him (whatever he wants). I loved the idea. In we go and she says "I was hoping you would let my gift to you be letting me help you make your cake. I won't be here tomorrow, but we could do it today."

Minion lit up with the idea - then looked to me.

It sort of struck me then that here I am making all these "big" choices and guiding their daily education. I jokingly told him that I would have to call the Principal and see if he could be excused. In typical soon-to-be 8 year old wisdom the reply was "I'm sure Dad will be fine with this."

Well - honesty from an 8 year old can be a little "blunt", but what I learned about HSing is really the 20 year old still remembers some of the things we tried to teach.

Life is less about the stuff you own as it is more about owning your life and coming up with alternative solutions.

There is hope.

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on December 04, 2010, 08:19:53 am
Oh, something that recently got refreshed for me.  I remember dad talking about "figure out the fewest things that you have to keep covered that do the most work"  I have come to realize that he was referring to the 80%/20% rule.......  Basically there is a 20% grouping that can cover 80% of whatever 1 particular situation requires.  I have kind of learned that every profession/ trade/ religion/ activity has a set of "Basics"  those basic rules seem to cover 80% of whatever it is with rules that can be covered in about 1-2 years of concentrated training...........  The diference between the Journeyman/ Artisan/ Master is how much they know of the remaining 15/ 10/ 5 percent of the remaining body of knowledge.  (BS/MS/ PhD equivalent?)

So if you can home school enough 20% basics, do you end up with a very capable kid as far as basic stuff goes with a knowledge of what he is good at and what he has a passion/talent for?  I would say that is very precious and should be the primary goal of all education/ schooling/ training.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on December 05, 2010, 09:47:26 pm
First - I'll miss Rarick - his insight has been outstanding in helping me delve further into what I really am doing by HSing. Thanks.

Second - Watched Animal Farm with Minions. They "got it" even if they hadn't read the book yet. I could have done without the heavy undertone of "Red Menace". I cried when Boxer was sent off - pushover.  Even the 8 yo could see a connection and the evolution of the "dear leaders".

If you have older minions - 2081 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2081_%28film%29) might be an interesting view.

I really want to find the short story (i.e. ND - Gee that would be a great used book store find for our 16th Anniversary.. :rolleyes:) and read it now. 26 minutes of thought.

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on December 29, 2010, 08:50:05 am
With weather cooling down and "free" time abounding  :rolleyes: we've spent some time up in the snow/woods. Unfortunately there have been several deaths locally (both adult and children) from falling through ice in the past several days. One a 2 year old who "wandered away" and died in a bit over a foot of water.

As a revisit to a picture I posted last year about being able to locate/identify this situation, here are three photos to review with either your minions or visiting folks. The first two show "signs" that are easy to look for, the last one would not expect to be the 1' deep edge of a pond. Not only that but the last is normally a dry spot which was flooded from overflow. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/5300428638/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/5299823449/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/5299841497/

Know the terrain, be prepared with additional clothing if possible and be cautious if you have to be swift. Have the knowledge/gear to pull someone out (we carry a lasso) JIC. 

We've spent much of our time discussing gravity and the snowman, outdoor winter safety, and using science to get the best sled run.



Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on March 13, 2011, 03:15:03 pm
When children are worried that you are worried - sometimes they help you over difficult times....


http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/5492485244/in/set-72157603621225698/

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 11, 2011, 10:13:07 am
"Each One, Teach One" is a great concept when one minion has experience in a situation.

Here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/6032025821/in/photostream) the more experienced Cricket user instructs the "newbie" on his new purchase. She knows her stuff and soon will have him firing at the 2 second cycle. They already have the scope adjustment (Inches, MOA, and Clicks) down pat.

Now I could try and step in like I "know it all", but in reality she has the experience (about 1.5K rounds) through her experience and can provide the best instruction.

My job is to ensure safety and encourage accuracy.

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on August 14, 2011, 11:56:31 pm
http://www.khanacademy.org/   Go there it is pretty self explanatory, it is free.  Would you believe 5th graders have used it to learn calculus?

http://www.taskrabbit.com/  To fire up a teenagers sense of the marketplace.  The place you can find 1 shot jobs to get some extra cash and be self employed if you wish.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 16, 2011, 11:03:12 am
http://www.khanacademy.org/   Go there it is pretty self explanatory, it is free.  Would you believe 5th graders have used it to learn calculus?

http://www.taskrabbit.com/  To fire up a teenagers sense of the marketplace.  The place you can find 1 shot jobs to get some extra cash and be self employed if you wish.


Thanks - I was not aware of taskrabbit. Eldest is using Khan on a regular basis. Somewhere in the 'net world are several articles denouncing Khan Academy for moving children "too fast" above and beyond what their education "should be". I bookmarked the site to start using in utero for any future Grandchildren just to "buck the system" Ha!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on August 24, 2011, 05:04:12 am
Enforced mediocrity.  I ran into that when I was schooling, but it wasn't as prevalent then as now........   Teachers who stuck strictly to the textbook vs teachers that were willing to guide a students learning beyond it..........(Providing 3 references for and against, I hated that teacher some at the time because that was 6 more books to read, but I was well informed on the subject by the time I was done reading..........).   I think that particular teacher taught me more about gathering and using information more than the rest of my schooling combined.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 24, 2011, 07:11:31 am
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I think that particular teacher taught me more about gathering and using information more than the rest of my schooling combined.

I sure hope that is the type of Educator I become. It is actually more difficult to teach to learn vs teach to test (I know - obvious). One of the minions will research something to death and another will read with the later "click into place" type retention. Some days I despair, others I rejoice.

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on August 25, 2011, 05:55:06 am
We will start the HS journey next Monday (29th) and we're both nervous and excited.  (When I say 'we' it's about 10% me, 90% my SHW.)  She had the three little ones color a few things in preparation for the first week of school and noticed that our two daughters carefully colored each one and didn't get up until they were complete while our son colored a couple, complained a bit, finally finished and then ran off to his Legos.  It's going to be fun!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 25, 2011, 07:01:32 am
It will be fun, hectic, interesting, exasperating and giggly! TMMrs are great with ideas if you run into any road blocks.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on August 25, 2011, 10:13:14 am
TMMrs are great with ideas if you run into any road blocks.

Yes, yes they are.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: EwB on August 25, 2011, 12:22:05 pm
We pulled our elementary kids this year and the wife is home schooling them starting today.  The older 3 are trying a new high school this year, so we are waiting to see if that works out.  If not will yank them out as well.  The middle boy is starting in middle school, he wants to take band so we are going to give it a try as well.  The 3 new kids will start HS'ing in October when they get home.

EwB

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 25, 2011, 01:27:05 pm
We pulled our elementary kids this year and the wife is home schooling them starting today.  The older 3 are trying a new high school this year, so we are waiting to see if that works out.  If not will yank them out as well.  The middle boy is starting in middle school, he wants to take band so we are going to give it a try as well.  The 3 new kids will start HS'ing in October when they get home.

EwB

I sure hope you have fun. We have a few items around which may be of use if you would like. PM either ND or I if interested.

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Moonbeam on August 25, 2011, 01:58:07 pm
KNOBSTER - Congrats! Keep us posted :)

EwB - Yay!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: debeez on September 04, 2011, 08:19:44 am
We started 'official homeschool' on 8/1 - Emily will be five in October, but she is definitely in the emerging reader category and very curious. I had taken nearly a month to cobble together my curriculum and I was sooo excited.

By the end of the first week I was re-assessing everything...including wondering if I had what it took to teach my daughter. It was a tough week. She hates worksheets, doesn't like being put on the spot to sound words out, and I heard "I'm bored" way too many times for my comfort level.

The 2nd Monday started with a brainstorm..."Emily what would YOU like to learn today?"

"I want to learn how to write my name."

Now she already knows the letters and has been writing her name for some time. She wanted to do it without my help. By the 3rd day, she had it down pat, without my interference.

I quickly came to the realization that we are, for better or worse, unschoolers.

I've been writing daily in my homeschool blog, The Homeschool Advocate, which you can find here: http://homeschooladvocate.org
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 04, 2011, 08:57:58 am
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The 2nd Monday started with a brainstorm..."Emily what would YOU like to learn today?"

"I want to learn how to write my name."

 :thumbsup:

Each one of our children wants/needs to learn another way. We just have to be brave enough (and smart enough) to let them. Each child this year has an Excel spreadsheet which lists "What has to be accomplished". The timeframe is set up for 8 weeks. They either give themselves a 1 or a 0 based on if they have completed an item. In about 3 weeks it will become obvious if they have under or over scheduled themselves. (They provided what they wanted to learn, my job is to somehow incorporate the subjects required by law interwoven into their week/term/year).  They can also chose to miss something on one day if they are really engaged in a project and make it up on Saturday or Sunday (with the caveat that if we have something else to do, we can't change our schedule to fix their time management issues).

Straight worksheets did not work for memorization of Multiplication tables for 2 of the minons. I switched to Number Drills (http://www.timberdoodle.com/Number_Drill_p/383-383.htm) which can be purchased from Timberdoodle (or you might find it elsewhere for less). The disk begins with simple addition.

The description:
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Unlike other math drills, where competition leads to stress which leads to grumbling, Number Drill presents your child with a peaceful, albeit a bit distracting scene, of a lovable penguin body-surfing through the mountains. But beneath the charm of the penguin lays a real workhorse of a program that effortlessly tracks each child's progress and awards him for every effort. If you are disappointed in low test grades and you are weary of flashcard drills, delegate that chore to Number Drill and watch your child's scores climb.

The PDF (http://numberdrill.com/media/races.pdf) shows the scope of how far this goes (through some Algebraic Equations and multiplying of percentages).

What it did for us. It removed the direct conflict between "them" and "me". They practiced a minimum of 1/2 hour for 3 days per week. I gave them some time to settle in and at the end of 2 weeks introduced worksheets to check their memories. There was a marked improvement. Then the two who are most competitive asked for worksheets while the other sneakily moved right past them without the worksheets and began to explore the more difficult topics. Less conflict more learning.

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For all that we seem "organized" we are at heart Unschoolers (that dreaded word whispered throughout homeschooling circles). Yes - we are "that kind" of educators. However I sneak in some organization here and there for the dreaded "Record Keeping" that I will have to have for Diploma/Intrusion from .gov.

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Here is another example of how a Unschooler might sneak in a little scheduling while documenting progress:
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Photography – Fine Art (AP)

Minimum 100 photos taken per month. Edit down to 10. Select 1 for evaluation by Tutor (a Professional Photographer I know). Edit that one photo saving a copy so the original can be compared to the modified photo. In addition 1 Photo per month must be your interpretation of Fine Art, Historical Event, Social Issue or Written Word. Must include 500 word essay on comparison and/or contrast. Due last Thursday of the month via email @6pm. Late Submissions lose one grade per day.

In order to meet these requirements she will have to meet a deadline (useful in School/Work), self edit, research for the last photo, be evaluated by a Professional based on her own merits, Compose an Essay, etc.  She also begins a written and photographic Portfolio if she decides to further her education in the field.
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I think in the end it does not matter what you as the parent do as long as you are willing to be flexible in your approach to the needs of your child's educational style. Find out what works and quickly discard those things that introduce real conflict (vs the general whining). When we first started we weren't "Homeschooling" but "Doing Government School at Home". Seems silly now that I would introduce the drudgery when I was hoping to encourage fun.

Good luck and I can't wait to hear how exciting things are for everyone who is trying to be a bit different this year.



Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on September 06, 2011, 06:50:34 am
The first week of homeschooling went well!  The older two enjoy what they are doing (mostly) and my SHW enjoys teaching them.  Right now the challenge is the 3-yr old.  She wants to be part of the action but doesn't fully grasp the concept of 'mommy is the teacher right now and you can't sit on her lap all morning'.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: debeez on September 06, 2011, 07:13:26 am
I'll be doing plenty of CARschooling for the next week as we drive to Arizona and back. Along the way, we will stop in Liberal, KS and see the Oz museum, Slide Rock in Sedona, the Grand Canyon Caverns in Seligman, and more. It should be a rollicking fun adventure with plenty of natural history lessons included!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 06, 2011, 07:53:35 am
I'll be doing plenty of CARschooling for the next week as we drive to Arizona and back. Along the way, we will stop in Liberal, KS and see the Oz museum, Slide Rock in Sedona, the Grand Canyon Caverns in Seligman, and more. It should be a rollicking fun adventure with plenty of natural history lessons included!

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 06, 2011, 08:21:55 am
The first week of homeschooling went well!  The older two enjoy what they are doing (mostly) and my SHW enjoys teaching them.  Right now the challenge is the 3-yr old.  She wants to be part of the action but doesn't fully grasp the concept of 'mommy is the teacher right now and you can't sit on her lap all morning'.

That sure can be challenging. Have you tried the butcher paper/paper grocery bag approach? When our youngest wasn't quite old enough to be involved, I cut apart paper bags (or unrolled butcher paper), made them flat and drew with him on his "special day" roads/buildings/etc. I then gave him some labels/stickers/etc in his own basket. When there wasn't "lap time" available, he would run his tractors/cars from one place to another putting brightly colored labels all over the thing making his own "project". The girls were clingers, so I am not sure that would have worked with them.

Good luck and hope it stays fun.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on September 06, 2011, 10:16:48 am
Hmm... hadn't thought of the butcher paper thing.  I'll suggest that to my wife.  Thanks for the input!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 06, 2011, 11:03:31 am
Before I forget, our minions really enjoyed the sticky paper circles (we adults used to call them "Paper a**holes). They are relatively cheap, useful when big people have to make their "list's of lists", and kids just figure out way cool things to do with them. Tire wheels, layered flowers, etc.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 21, 2011, 12:07:45 pm
We are having more fun this year than ever! Just finished working with 10 yo on her "Dust Bowl" experience for the day. We tried doing 1/2 hour every day, but we ran over so many times not wanting to stop that we adjusted schedule for 2 days @ 2 hours. What do we do?

Choose two states affected by the Dust Bowl and color them in Geography Coloring Book (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Geography+Coloring+book&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&biw=1365&bih=822&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=15706459991186843877&sa=X&ei=Bxd6Tse2GMb50gG86OUY&ved=0CFgQ8wIwAA). While we are doing that we talk about geographic location in relation to one another, products produced, Topography, Population ("Hey Mom. Why do these states tend to have a larger population in their capitals than others? When did the states start getting that boxy look?") and any thing else that pops in her brain.

 (I used the book in college and you can either get really detailed or generalize as you choose).

Followed the trip on Route 66 and the difference in travel times then/now.

Then we discussed the migration of "Okies"  (http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/O/OK008.html)and how they were misled in some cases to travel West by those wanting field hands, the "Bum Police" sent to turn back migrants, the Farmers who would set their crops on fire instead of allowing Okies to have the left overs. (Pretty shocking that individuals were paid $1 per ton of peaches picked!).

Moved forward to the inability to "fit in at local schools", so a man named Leo Hart (http://www.ravenradiotheater.com/script_pages/script_hart.html) had a great idea for the Weedpatch kids (http://www.weedpatchcamp.com/History/history.htm).

Of course came the "Awww" moment when our 2 hour timer went off. "Just a little more?". Nope, but as I left I asked "I wonder what happened to that family in the photo? Betcha' could look that up online!" 

Anyone want to guess where she is now?

(Alert from Minion on what happened to the family:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Owens_Thompson)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Lange-MigrantMother02.jpg/250px-Lange-MigrantMother02.jpg





Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on October 06, 2011, 10:19:18 am
What I learned today thanks to homeschooling:

How to build a steam engine.  Well... not quite the entire thing.  I wrapped a 1/4" copper pipe into a coil and put it in a little aluminum bread pan 'boat' with a tea candle under the coil.  My wife and I tested it out last night to make sure it worked.  Sucked water into the pipe, put the boat into a filled sink, lit the candle and waited.  About 30 seconds later the boat started moving around.  My wife and I were as giddy as school children.

I love HSing...
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on October 06, 2011, 11:32:21 am
Yes! (I'm borrowing this for next week)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on October 19, 2011, 06:46:05 am
My folks are coming to visit this weekend (arriving Friday) and my SHW simply shifted a few things in the school week to accommodate.  No need to 'take them out of school'.  Sweet, sweet, freedom!

We had our first field trip last week - went to a local airplane museum - and I was impressed by what my 7-yr old was already able to tell me about airplanes.  Of course, he loved all the guns that each WWII aircraft had, and uh, so was I.

My 5-yr old daughter is into frogs and toads right now so my wife printed out a bunch of information about them and my daughter is just eating those facts up!  She knows more about the darn things than I do.  Again, the freedom that HSing brings is amazing.  Love it!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on October 19, 2011, 07:15:26 am
Wonderful!

Make sure to read The Glorious Flight (if you haven't already as part of FIAR) to him/them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glorious_Flight:_Across_the_Channel_with_Louis_Bleriot

Frogs and Toads ? Make sure to check pockets before you wash clothes.

So glad you are having fun.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on October 19, 2011, 09:04:14 am
Periodically I get the question "How do you teach Spelling?". I've tried various methods and this year I believe I have a winner.

We are using Sequential Spelling (see information here : http://www.avko.org/sequentialspelling.html).

All of the minions (age 8 though 15) are using the same Level - 1. It is a daily system in which they are introduced to word families (a group of 25 words) which build upon the previous lessons to expand the understanding of how words are spelled. We meet daily @ 10 am, they are given the words to spell, the words are corrected after each presentation (I use a white board and they immediately correct any errors), and as follow up we have a free program that I record the words with sentences they complete after or if they choose before the meeting (Spell4 : here : http://www.2000shareware.com/info/spelling-test-practice-free-edition/73262/).

For our "Listening Learner" this provides 2x the exposure to the words = 2x the chance for success.
For our "Doer" this provides the same benefits.
For our "Don't correct me" teen - the impersonal spelling test corrects her error.

We are now 4 weeks into this and I see improvement. 

Last year we had a "weekly" list which they were required to memorize, make sentences and spit out the results at the end of the week. That did not work well as an approach. Not only did I have to create 3 independent lists, attaching the lists to their studies was time consuming and not always successful.

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So - how are you working the spelling in?

mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on October 19, 2011, 10:42:00 am
Wonderful!

Make sure to read The Glorious Flight (if you haven't already as part of FIAR) to him/them.
Heh... exactly the one my wife used last week!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on November 04, 2011, 05:51:20 am
Found out that my daughter is like me: procrastinator.  She will insist on finishing some of her lessons 'tomorrow' but my wife will have none of it.  My son is like my wife though:  "So if I finish these lessons ahead of time I won't have as much at the end of the week?"  He now works 1/2 a day ahead so his Friday's are less busy!  (Too bad it doesn't work that way here at the office...)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 04, 2011, 07:09:50 am
We have one of each of those here as well. My favorite diversion tactic from the procrastinator is - "Can I help you with x Mutti?". I've learned to ask "Is your work done for today/this week?"
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Moonbeam on November 04, 2011, 02:37:41 pm
KNOBSTER - How have your respective families been towards y'all now that you're finally home schooling?
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 09, 2011, 08:55:11 am
Each month I source a Youtube for a "music" assignment for minions. This month I've introduced them to more Harmony since they tend to do well with those. For those of you who like barbershop quartet this is not the assignment this month, but cool none the less (Star Trek meets Barbershop) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4gcLWm-OFg

What they were assigned : Alison Krauss "Down in the River to Pray": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgVL-rBq9Fw&feature=related

Past assignments: Navy Hymn : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtdANilJkRY&feature=related

James Brown "It's a Man's World" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCd5uGaM8s

Sammy Davis : "Mr. Bojangles" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvYmL5KsvYA&feature=related

...so anyone have any good songs? We're doing Gordon Lightfoot next I think.....

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Klapton Isgod on November 09, 2011, 09:26:29 am
For harmony, you can't beat Crosby, Stills, and Nash. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qBJdpIglh0&feature=related

This is probably my favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0VBB7BO64
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 09, 2011, 09:40:24 am
Nice! Guess December is taken care of. Youngest is on an Adrian Legg kick (he's trying to get his guitar to sound like AL) so I see potential.  Thanks
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on November 09, 2011, 10:21:26 am
KNOBSTER - How have your respective families been towards y'all now that you're finally home schooling?

My side is quite happy and very supportive.  My father-in-law is a different story.  He was a teacher for many a decade and thinks public schools are the only way to go.  His questions are rather maddening:  How will you handle parent-teacher conferences?  What if one of the children starts to disrupt the rest of the class?

I don't think he fully grasps the concept of HS'ing.  He went to public school, his children went to public school, he taught at public school; gov't is mother, teacher, lover.  'Nuff said in his book.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Moonbeam on November 09, 2011, 02:28:36 pm
LOL I know it's not funny when you're in the thick of things, however that made me chuckle!

Q: How will you handle parent-teacher conferences? 
A. Um, I'll converse with myself  :dontknow:

Q. What if one of the children starts to disrupt the rest of the class?
A. Um, the same thing that would happen to them if they act up when not in "class"  :wub:
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on November 10, 2011, 03:27:26 am
Father in law got alzies?   He sound strangely out of touch, or failed to get the brain gears engaged right in that conversation.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on November 11, 2011, 05:23:46 am
LOL I know it's not funny when you're in the thick of things, however that made me chuckle!

Q: How will you handle parent-teacher conferences? 
A. Um, I'll converse with myself  :dontknow:

Q. What if one of the children starts to disrupt the rest of the class?
A. Um, the same thing that would happen to them if they act up when not in "class"  :wub:
Yes, my SHW and I had a good laugh about the questions.  Especially the P-T conferences.  "Well, I suppose I'll look in the mirror and have a serious 1-on-1 conversation!"

As I said, he doesn't quite grasp the concept.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 14, 2011, 12:32:11 pm
1 - I know nothing about why children are dumb as rocks sometimes (Would you throw rocks at a possible skunk from 2 feet away with your arm looped through the lead of a very big Guard Dog? In the dark? With your 70# soaking wet sibling on the lead of another very big Guard Dog?).  I  Just   Don't   Know  What  Their   Problem  Is  (related to Homeschooling as the two idiot savants were assigned separate research projects on Rabies via Longhand - no easy out typing.)

2 - Given the motivation of "Hey - this is sorta' cool" an 8 yo can produce a ParaCord bracelet in less than an hour (from reading to wearing).  Photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/6345088316/in/photostream )

3. The BOYFANS rule still applies in English!

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on November 15, 2011, 05:36:11 am
My 7-yr old is officially smarter than me now.  We went to the zoo this past weekend (weather was in the 50s, animals were moving, crowds were tiny) and we stopped and looked at a pair of golden eagles.  I noticed one of them seemed to have a white patch over its eye.  I told my son that it must have been rescued and placed in the zoo.  My son then spent the next 5 minutes explaining to me that these raptors have two sets of eyelids (one which they use to see underwater) and rattled off 25 other facts about them.  I then put my arm around my SHW and told her I was so glad we decided to homeschool. 

Our children are into learning about every sort of animal and their minds are soaking up every tiny detail about them.  It is such an awesome thing to witness this passion.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 15, 2011, 07:26:03 am
My 7-yr old is officially smarter than me now.  We went to the zoo this past weekend (weather was in the 50s, animals were moving, crowds were tiny) and we stopped and looked at a pair of golden eagles.  I noticed one of them seemed to have a white patch over its eye.  I told my son that it must have been rescued and placed in the zoo.  My son then spent the next 5 minutes explaining to me that these raptors have two sets of eyelids (one which they use to see underwater) and rattled off 25 other facts about them.  I then put my arm around my SHW and told her I was so glad we decided to homeschool. 

Our children are into learning about every sort of animal and their minds are soaking up every tiny detail about them.  It is such an awesome thing to witness this passion.

 :wav:

When the weather is not so wonderful for outside stuff - why not take them to the National Zoo? http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/WebCams/default.cfm

Several years ago when a minion was fascinated with Elephants - she would watch them daily to see "what was up". 
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on November 15, 2011, 10:13:24 am
Wow.  Very, very cool.  Just forwarded the link to my SHW.  I think the kids would be glued to the computer for hours with this!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 15, 2011, 11:28:01 am
Wow.  Very, very cool.  Just forwarded the link to my SHW.  I think the kids would be glued to the computer for hours with this!

Did I mentioned they have a YouTube (HSing Enabling Alert! Run away!) with a few videos?  :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANTdVWhejg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

"Halloween"

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on November 16, 2011, 05:28:19 am
I'll have to check that out at home.  No youtubing at work for some reason... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: InLiberty on November 16, 2011, 09:35:01 am
That is awesome...there's a lion sitting out in the rain...
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 24, 2011, 09:57:41 pm
A full roll of toilet paper (when found semi-submerged in water) takes 3 days at an average interior temp of 61F and moderate humidity to dry back to a usable state. (homeschool project after minion dropped a full roll in the toilet. She didn't want it to go to waste.  :rolleyes:)

When you don't take yourself seriously, minions are highly amused : http://www.flickr.com/photos/22465254@N04/6356280803/in/set-72157628028972419

"Life is too short to panic over the small stuff. Change your underwear everyday and brush teeth 3 times a day. The rest normally sorts itself out." Quote from the 8 yo
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on November 25, 2011, 09:36:05 am
I recently had a niece compare life to an exploded can of soda, my sister is going to moderate her reading in philosophy for a while................ I thought it was a good comparison, go figure.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 25, 2011, 11:12:21 am
I recently had a niece compare life to an exploded can of soda, my sister is going to moderate her reading in philosophy for a while................ I thought it was a good comparison, go figure.

I can see that. When extremes happen forces sometimes beyond control create change. Nice analogy.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on November 26, 2011, 05:40:06 am
Life is like an exploding can of soda, ya never know how far it's gonna go or how many people you're gonna affect.

Ok... time for more coffee...
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on November 26, 2011, 07:52:52 am
Life is like a can of exploding soda.  There is an anticipation of sweet wet tastyness disrupted by sucky gravity as you are distracted by someone not watching where they are going.  This results in a gooey aftermath, some of which can be salvaged in licks and sips, but requires a shower for proper hygeine, and a mop for the floor.

A very smart 11 year old who just does not know how wildly funny she can be........  I have saved this quote to read back to her when she is 21 or so, just to see her reaction........

My sister often hands them a list of words and asks them to see how many they can use properly in a sentance/ story...........
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 26, 2011, 07:56:05 am
Nice  :thumbsup:

I've saved quotes as well.

"Oh Please Mr. Evil Bat - won't you and Mr. Dalen come in for tea?" (I was into NeverWinterNights - she was 4).
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on November 26, 2011, 08:04:56 am
I understood that  :ph34r:
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on December 02, 2011, 05:39:53 am
Our 5-yr old is finally recognizing the 'teens' in numbers.  20 and beyond was no problem but for some reason, 11 - 19 were giving her troubles.  So, my SHW and I were able to sit down with her and keep working on it.  My wife researched a number of different ways to approach it - some helped, others provided more confusion.

So, what we learned about HSing: there is no 'one size fits all' for learning.  Our son loves math and numbers came easily to him.  Our daughter loves letters, drawing, etc and her handwriting is better than the 7-yr old.

Oh, and we are approaching the snow/ice season (and all the school closings that go with it) and my SHW is so very happy that our children will be safe and snuggly in our home all winter.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on December 02, 2011, 07:58:11 am
knobster - I'm so glad you are having such a good time finding out about your children. I wish I'd had you as a parent.


Subtraction didn't make sense to me until about 3rd grade. I just couldn't get the 15 - 9 = 6 thing. I kept coming up with 5 because to me it made sense - sure that doesn't make sense - but hey - I was more interested in reading and numbers were abstract "things" on some line.  Eventually I caught on (after I found a book about numbers).

Great job! mutti
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on December 03, 2011, 05:35:32 am
knobster - I'm so glad you are having such a good time finding out about your children. I wish I'd had you as a parent.

I appreciate that.  Although sometimes I feel clueless as a parent...  The other day my son asked if we really have to go to church this Christmas because it falls on a Sunday.  (He wants to open gifts.)  Haven't we taught him the true story of Christmas?!?  Oh well, I remember as a kid dreading Christmas being on a Saturday because that meant going to church two days in a row...
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on March 15, 2012, 05:44:39 am
Just a few rambling points about HSing:
Yesterday our 7 year old son came up to us and announced that he wanted to learn about Thomas Jefferson.
The past two weeks they've been learning about all the planets and my 5-yr old knows all the phases of the moon while the 7-yr old is reading pretty hefty books about Mars.
Oh, and my SHW learned a hard lesson about electricity.  Something about holding a tin can over a night light in order to see the 'constellation' of poked holes through the top and letting the bottom of the can touch the barely exposed prongs of the night light.  Yeah...
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on March 15, 2012, 08:38:21 am
We call that "hands on experience"  :rolleyes: - hope everything is okay?

Sounds like things are going great!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on March 15, 2012, 10:09:24 am
Yup, all is well.  Just had to replace a burned receptacle, burned night light and reset the tripped breaker.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: debeez on April 20, 2012, 08:09:23 am
It's been a while since I visited MM and especially the hs'ing forum. Been busy 'round here.

We are playing with papier-maiche...hopefully I can figure out how to make a pig out of a balloon shaped object at some point!

Emily is making her way through some of the Dolch Sight Word list. She's 5 1/2 now and still feels uncomfortable about reading. We hope to change that, one new word at a time!

Recently she has asked me...

What is gravity?
How can you tell if a butterfly is a boy or a girl?
What makes lightning?
Is that [points to animal] an omnivore, herbivore or carnivore? (yes, she definitely knows the differences)
Are plants alive? What do they eat?

The other day she told a cashier, "Did you know that worms are both male and female?" To which the cashier blinked in confusion. Her normal rote speech is to say, "My name is Emily Rose Shuck, but you can call me Emily. I'm five!" It is rare that it doesn't get a smile in return.

If sending this kiddo to public school, the most outgoing and friendly child I have ever seen, meant getting her 'socialized', I am sure I would never have a moment of rest in my life. The other day I had three moms asking if we could do play dates and if they could "pick [my] brain about homeschooling."

When asked the question, "Well, what about socialization?" I just point to my child and respond, "Really? Have you seen her? That's something I absolutely don't worry about!"

And despite my lifelong focus on reading and learning through books - Emily has awakened the scientist in me. Recently we conducted two experiments with used coffee grounds.

#1 - Spread used coffee grounds directly on plants as if they were potting soil. The pH is in the range of 6.0 - 6.9. How will the plants respond?
#2 - Use coffee grounds as an animal deterrent - namely our dog, Kellogg, 100+ pounds of furry love. She likes to lie on the open ground where I've planted my seeds and small plants, crushing them with her body.

The jury is out on #1 (we need more time) and #2 has definitely worked. Those sensitive dog noses do NOT like coffee grounds. It makes me wonder what other animals this could work on?
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Moonbeam on April 20, 2012, 10:26:51 pm
So inspiring, DEBEEZ! Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on April 21, 2012, 09:36:04 am
I didn't know that about coffee grounds! #2 will help with the #2 I hope!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on May 04, 2012, 06:37:01 am
http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/03/lynda-70m/ (http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/03/lynda-70m/)
There is a list in this article about a bunch of sites that might be good resources.
Heck you home schoolers might be able to start a cooperative of sorts.  Liberty Minded Schooling?  If you put together course materials/ packages and had then set up in PDF/ media modules in a download for a donation format?
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: debeez on May 04, 2012, 07:00:03 am
I just ran across this blog Raising Autodidacts and have been reading a little from the woman's blog.

Also, I've been going through my own back and forth crisis of how does homeschool look and how do I track it, organize and implement it? That's all over at my blog http://homeschooladvocate.org (http://homeschooladvocate.org).

I did hit a revelation of sorts this week - I teach a variety of community education classes and have slowly been incorporating my 5-year-old into them. Currently she helps pass out the handouts, the cookies, et cetera. But soon I'm going to begin creating some classes that directly involve her - evolving into a possible teaching position for her. She is very gregarious and likes sharing her knowledge with others. At my classes she will often say, "Basil is edible" or "Chickens are omnivores...like us!" and things of that nature. (I'm teaching gardening and cooking classes mainly)

I suggested to her that we start with a class on making wooden spoon people and include a puppet show after the craft is complete. The class would be geared toward parents with their kids ages 3-6. She's quite excited about it.

We are also learning saving techniques. She wants to return to Disneyland and I explained that it was very expensive. We have started a savings jar - $80 towards goal so far, woohoo! And I am planning on putting together a 'lemonade' stand during a city-wide garage sale two Saturdays from now. We will sell lavender lemon soda that we make in five-gallon batches and homemade chocolate chip cookies and lemon thyme crisps.

My husband keeps muttering darkly about lemonade stands getting shut down by the authorities for not having a permit - I'm figuring the safest time for it is during a city-wide garage sale!

So...gardening, teaching, saving, entrepreneurship and more. Gotta love homeschooling!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on May 04, 2012, 10:50:01 am
So...gardening, teaching, saving, entrepreneurship and more. Gotta love homeschooling!

That about sums it up!  Maybe throw in a 'mad dash to the store at 9PM to get certain craft items for the next day' and call it good.  I can't believe how many pipe cleaners, straws, cardboard, glitter, glue, vinegar, baking soda, etc we've gone through this year.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on May 08, 2012, 10:06:23 am

One thing parents can do that school never would be able to, is to combine disciplines/techniques:

I remember a kite project I did with Dad.  Several classes in school were talking about natural resources, trade goods and aerodynamics...........   My dad put on his devious SOB hat and we spent a week building a kite. 

We started with a doug fir log, some rags and willow wands........   We rail split the 3 foot doud fir log down after PEELING the bark in as big chuncks as we could.  Then we carefully ripped the rails into square timber, then down into laths on the table saw. We had our kite frame- that was the easy part.  Next we threw the fir bark and stripped the willow wands of bark and soaked them in a water bucket.  Then we proceeded to drop saw dust and chopped up rag in an old blender with some water........(Yes we made our own kite paper....)we used the fruit drying frames for screens to make several sheets of rag paper and initially squeezed of enough water to transfer the sheets onto 1/4" plywood reinforced with 2x4's and squashed that by using 2 hydraulic rams from the tractor's 3 point hitch.......   Made some interesting wood grained paper and we did a "double thick cross grained" just for fun".   The dreery part was making the string, dreery enough that dad decided to go out and buy the main line, but the string in the frame we rolled/spun out of the willow and doug fir bark fibers........  We ended up using the cross grained paper after having the single ply stuff blowout on a seam/ grain line.......   the kite was a lot more sluggish, but it did work............   I think dad cheated a bit too we put some glue in between sheets when we did the cross grain batch.   

It was messy, somewhat fun, and I learned, even more intensely, how much work went into all of our gadgets and tools.  In the process I learned the hydraulics on the tractor hitch were HYDRAULICS and not just for the hitch.  A table saw is a circular saw, therefore is a microscale lumber mill.  You can do a lot of fascinating stuff if you are willing to invest time, and do it only once with resources at hand.  If we were going to make "Paper" of any quality used for writing we would need to rig up a special tool/press out of metal.....etc.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on May 21, 2012, 05:55:50 am
It was an awesome sight to behold last night:  my SHW bought a deck of cards about bugs with a number of facts on the reverse side (they learn about bugs for the next two weeks, my wife says they could probably spend three months on the subject).  My 7-yr son likes to 'look ahead' at the lessons for the next week and was flipping through them and came across one about crickets.  He blurted out, "This card is wrong!  The book I just read said that "(insert insane facts about crickets that I'll never remember here)   He then went over to the book pile and start flipping through a couple of them and discovered the contradicting facts.  So guess what part of today's lesson will be?  That's right, studying crickets to try and sort this mess out. :read2:

Already at their young age I witness the difference between homeschooling and public schooling.  The neighbor kids (when they actually come outside from the Wii and TV) are not nearly as creative or inquisitive.  What I usually see is my kids initiate the type of play (building a fortress on the driveway or a toad playground in a bucket) and then the other kids follow along.  Sigh... I'm very proud as a parent but feel bad for the other kids.  The spark is already fading for them.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on June 04, 2012, 08:57:43 am
When things no longer work the Minion's take apart and create new things with them. This weekend I heard this exchange:

"Dad. When the Van doesn't run anymore, can we take it apart?"

"Sure."

We are so weird.

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Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 04, 2012, 09:24:25 am
When things no longer work the Minion's take apart and create new things with them. This weekend I heard this exchange:

"Dad. When the Van doesn't run anymore, can we take it apart?"

"Sure."

We are so weird.

Not really weird, but I would suggest you have a very CLEAR understanding of when "doesn't run" happens. My sons loved to take things apart also... and we had to be watchful since they tended to make that decision on their own if we were not on top of the game. LOL  I had a radio that continued to play long after such a deconstruction and rebirth... but I always wondered what the two parts left over were supposed to do. Must not have been important...
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on June 04, 2012, 10:32:49 am
When things no longer work the Minion's take apart and create new things with them. This weekend I heard this exchange:

"Dad. When the Van doesn't run anymore, can we take it apart?"

"Sure."

We are so weird.

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^_^
That's awesome.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on June 18, 2012, 08:37:53 am
Fred's got some language maybe not great for all, but he has a point. If you've never read "Fred On Everything" - you might find this interesting:

A Taste of Realism (subtitled Enstupidation)  :  http://www.fredoneverything.net/Enstupidation.shtml
 (http://www.fredoneverything.net/Enstupidation.shtml)
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The absorptive capacity of smart kids is large if you just stay out of their way. A bright boy of eleven can quickly master a collegiate text of physiology, for example. This is less astonishing than perhaps it sounds. The human body consists of comprehensible parts that do comprehensible things. If he is interested, which is the key, he will learn them, while apparently being unable to learn state capitals, which dont interest him.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 18, 2012, 08:50:40 am
"being unable to learn state capitals, which dont interest him"

Indeed... :) The worst grade I ever got in "school" was in a geography class. Even at the tender age of 8 or 9, I was completely uninterested in such things as the names of "state capitals." I loved the exotic names of most places, practically devouring maps and the globe. Later I enjoyed matching those names and locations to news stories and the like... but state capitals? Who the hell cares? Unfortunately, that was a large part of the tests that determined the grade. When I took the report card home and told my mother, she said to forget about it.

Sure wish we'd known about homeschooling then. sigh
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Scarmiglione' on June 22, 2012, 07:44:00 am
Learning state capitols is just another exercise in "This is more important than That because it's government."   Part of the "government people are better than you" curriculum called "civics" in modern school.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on June 27, 2012, 12:38:44 pm
Minion sent me this. Wants to be an Orinthologist


Audubon Live web cams. This is the Puffin, but if you minion would like to see some underwater reefs, etc - there are others.

http://explore.org/#!/live-cams/player/puffin-burrow-cam (http://explore.org/#!/live-cams/player/puffin-burrow-cam)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on June 28, 2012, 05:59:07 am
Very cool Mutti.  I forwarded the link to my SHW to share with the kiddos.

Went home to see extended family last week and we got a million questions from my Democrat, Obama-loving father-in-law about home schooling.  He is still convinced that we are making a big mistake.  This despite the fact our kids were rattling off facts about animals while their cousins of similar age were staring zombie-eyed at the TV.

Just.  Don't.  Get.  It.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on June 28, 2012, 07:50:47 am
Glad you are back safe! There are those that "get it", those who "don't get it", those who pretend to "get it" and then there is the rest of us  ^_^.

The "pretenders" are actually the worst. At least you know where you stand with the other two most of the time.

(The Osprey is sitting on a nest with 3 fledglings. Seriously cool)

**edited for idiocy.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on July 23, 2012, 08:22:15 am
A bit of history I never knew about. When the next "lesson period" is lax, I think I'll lay out leaders for the minions to discover it themselves:

(http://www.twinbuttebunch.org/misc/i/british_ad.gif)

http://www.twinbuttebunch.org/index.php?fuseaction=misc.sendguns (http://www.twinbuttebunch.org/index.php?fuseaction=misc.sendguns)

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On July 16 of that year, Hitler sent a top-secret directive to his military leaders: Since England, despite her hopeless military situation, still shows no sign of willingness to come to terms, I have decided to prepare, and if necessary to carry out, a landing operation against her. The aim of this operation is to eliminate the English motherland as a base for carrying on the war against Germany, and if necessary, to occupy the country completely.
<snip>
And the best part of the plan was this: the British people were, for the most part, defenseless. Decades of a culture that taught that guns were bad and should be eschewed had taken their toll. About the only guns extant in England were fowling pieces owned by the privileged gentry. The only tools available for the average British subject to defend his country were broomsticks, spades, and pitchforks. In other words, much like it is today in that country. What to do? Here was the most invincible arm of all time massed across the Channel, ready and willing to invade, rape and pillage a defenseless British populace.

Rumours abound about what happened to these munitions after WW2. These vary from "dumped in the ocean", given to the French Resistance and partially returned. What seems to be the case in each of these rumours is the United Kingdom wanted their Guard to Guard against Invasion, but not against possible Tyrants.

I'll look up more before I assign/point out this - however any historical accuracy/input would be nice.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 13, 2012, 06:00:12 pm
While reading about WWII - he discovered a description of Ghillie Suits. Days later, here is what he came up with from somewhere on the property.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8435/7776501972_daef765644.jpg)

Seriously - they are brilliant (I know - too much Mutti)

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on August 14, 2012, 05:46:02 am
 :thumbsup:

What smart and awesome kids!

Yet another proud mama moment for Mutti!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 14, 2012, 08:40:49 am
:thumbsup:
What smart and awesome kids!
Yet another proud mama moment for Mutti!

Thanks! While FLOTUS might need a salary to justify her worth (according to POTUS) - I have to say that my pay comes in moments like the one above.

(and we save on shoes as well : Detroit Store Tries To Draw Kids To School With New Shoes  : http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/08/13/detroit-store-tries-to-draw-kids-to-school-with-new-shoes/ (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/08/13/detroit-store-tries-to-draw-kids-to-school-with-new-shoes/) 

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BCK, 4717 Woodward, made an arrangement with the school district to give away a free pair of black leather Nikes to every student who comes to class on Oct. 3, the day when students are counted and their numbers used as the basis for per-pupil funding from the state and federal government.

The more bodies in class, the more money schools have all year.
)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on August 14, 2012, 10:35:34 am
Shoes to show up for school in order to be counted...  What a freaking scam.  So the next day when everyone is back to their usual hangout place they'll be kickin' it in new shoes.

Is it bad that I'm numb to such idiocy?
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: slidemansailor on August 14, 2012, 07:56:31 pm
If I was a zillionaire, I'd give away free rifles to anyone who came to an Appleseed shoot the day the government schools were taking their tally.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 14, 2012, 09:46:08 pm
If I was a zillionaire, I'd give away free rifles to anyone who came to an Appleseed shoot the day the government schools were taking their tally.

Where do we sign up? Can I Instruct @ this one?
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on August 15, 2012, 05:27:34 am
If I was a zillionaire, I'd give away free rifles to anyone who came to an Appleseed shoot the day the government schools were taking their tally.

Where do we sign up? Can I Instruct @ this one?

I'm on my way!!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 15, 2012, 08:12:14 am
Wouldn't that be awesome - a TMM AS Shoot (well - anytime those of us who feel comfortable could get together and "see" one another)!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 15, 2012, 12:57:25 pm
It's always interesting just what exactly runs through Minion's brains. I often wonder just how those firing synapse responses produce thoughts that differ btwn them even though they are as close genetically as any set of people could be without being identical twins.

The eldest chose to pay someone to punch two holes through her lower lip - I call them "shits" and "giggles" which they produced today when the swelling caused one to actually retreat back into her lip. I had to leave the house for "chores" for a few minutes to be respectful of her choice. @ 22 - well - that's her call.

11 yo decided to enter the Olympics in both Rifle and Cycling. She spent about 2 hours avoiding the cow patties in an upper pasture on her bike then came in to figure out what "Small Bore" means.

9 yo just sent me this and asked if he could have a suit for his birthday: Birdmen : A Documentary

http://www.team13.com/MOVIES

after my gullet slithered down to it's normal location, I said "We'll see. Do some research on what you need and how much you can make yourself."

The 16 yo has entered into a phase where I'm not quite sure exactly what is happening, but I'll keep wondering none the less.

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Life is pretty interesting.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on August 16, 2012, 01:04:08 pm
It's always interesting just what exactly runs through Minion's brains. I often wonder just how those firing synapse responses produce thoughts that differ btwn them even though they are as close genetically as any set of people could be without being identical twins.

The eldest chose to pay someone to punch two holes through her lower lip - I call them "shits" and "giggles" which they produced today when the swelling caused one to actually retreat back into her lip. I had to leave the house for "chores" for a few minutes to be respectful of her choice. @ 22 - well - that's her call.

11 yo decided to enter the Olympics in both Rifle and Cycling. She spent about 2 hours avoiding the cow patties in an upper pasture on her bike then came in to figure out what "Small Bore" means.

9 yo just sent me this and asked if he could have a suit for his birthday: Birdmen : A Documentary

http://www.team13.com/MOVIES

after my gullet slithered down to it's normal location, I said "We'll see. Do some research on what you need and how much you can make yourself."

The 16 yo has entered into a phase where I'm not quite sure exactly what is happening, but I'll keep wondering none the less.

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Life is pretty interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vSxehUmv3M         :headbang: long one about Jeb Corliss (45min.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHw7N8hhUMQ          :threvil:  :popcorn: Jeb Corliss doing the birdman thing.  From there you can follow a sidebar link, Jeb Corliss grounded from injuries...........

As for theories on child Psychology.....go see ted.com if you have video capacity quite a few videos there about school, learning, and the "minions"

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 16, 2012, 07:27:28 pm
Wow. Very interesting - I never knew. Lot's of profoundness in that first one. I'll have to think about when to introduce that, but it does encompass so much in the range of emotion through motion.

Thanks.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on August 16, 2012, 08:17:57 pm
There is also a ted talk given by a woman who, as a girl, simply could not sit still in school.  She was in one of the higher quality districts at the time and was sent to a psychologist/ analyst.  The guy recommended that she be enrolled in a perfoming arts or sports oriented schools as he believed she was a "Physical Thinker" and a lot of the issues would be resolved if she was in a school with a format that allowed her to "think Physically".

I wish I could find the talk, but your comment on "emotion thru Motion" brought that up and I thought I might want to mention that in view of the current school standard.  "Sit, Down, Shut Up, Hold Still and learn"........   That speech just helped solidify my opinion about the "drug the kids into compliance" game used by many schools.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on August 17, 2012, 07:01:56 am
There is also a ted talk given by a woman who, as a girl, simply could not sit still in school.  She was in one of the higher quality districts at the time and was sent to a psychologist/ analyst.  The guy recommended that she be enrolled in a perfoming arts or sports oriented schools as he believed she was a "Physical Thinker" and a lot of the issues would be resolved if she was in a school with a format that allowed her to "think Physically".

I wish I could find the talk, but your comment on "emotion thru Motion" brought that up and I thought I might want to mention that in view of the current school standard.  "Sit, Down, Shut Up, Hold Still and learn"........   That speech just helped solidify my opinion about the "drug the kids into compliance" game used by many schools.

Holy smokes.  This sounds exactly like my 6-yr old daughter.  My SHW is convinced that she only learns while running/jumping/flipping/etc.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: slidemansailor on August 17, 2012, 10:04:28 am
There is also a ted talk given by a woman who, as a girl, simply could not sit still in school.  She was in one of the higher quality districts at the time and was sent to a psychologist/ analyst.  The guy recommended that she be enrolled in a perfoming arts or sports oriented schools as he believed she was a "Physical Thinker" and a lot of the issues would be resolved if she was in a school with a format that allowed her to "think Physically".

I wish I could find the talk, but your comment on "emotion thru Motion" brought that up and I thought I might want to mention that in view of the current school standard.  "Sit, Down, Shut Up, Hold Still and learn"........   That speech just helped solidify my opinion about the "drug the kids into compliance" game used by many schools.

Holy smokes.  This sounds exactly like my 6-yr old daughter.  My SHW is convinced that she only learns while running/jumping/flipping/etc.

I hope you don't let anyone dope her up so she will sit still for their indoctrination.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on August 17, 2012, 02:07:47 pm
I hope you don't let anyone dope her up so she will sit still for their indoctrination.

I plan on fighting tooth and nail to prevent such things.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: MamaLiberty on August 17, 2012, 04:18:16 pm
I remember a teacher who used tennis balls for learning games. Don't remember the details, but they were marked with a number from 0 to 9, various arithmetic symbols, or - for other games - letters and (I think) punctuation symbols. She put them into a laundry basket and tossed them on the floor inside the circle of children. The resulting scramble gave them all a great deal of exercise and fun. Might be even more exciting with ping pong balls.  Sort of like scrabble in motion.

We tried it at home on occasion, but had to remember to leave the Labrador OUTSIDE.  All tennis balls belong to the DOG, don't you know? LOL
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 17, 2012, 04:24:36 pm
TED had a quite interesting Education Discussion. Not the one referred to, but still very interesting!

Sugata Mitra: The child-driven education  :  http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html)

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Education scientist Sugata Mitra tackles one of the greatest problems of education -- the best teachers and schools don't exist where they're needed most. In a series of real-life experiments from New Delhi to South Africa to Italy, he gave kids self-supervised access to the web and saw results that could revolutionize how we think about teaching.

Sugata Mitra's "Hole in the Wall" experiments have shown that, in the absence of supervision or formal teaching, children can teach themselves and each other, if they're motivated by curiosity and peer interest.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Moonbeam on August 17, 2012, 11:24:02 pm
I remember a teacher who used tennis balls for learning games.

Me likey!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 28, 2012, 05:22:20 pm
Sometimes Minions come to their own conclusions.

We watched the C-Span coverage of the States reporting their Delegates. About 4 states in they started counting and noticing that not everything appeared to add up. They also noticed the Herd Mentality of most of the attendees, the lack of general manners and apparent rudeness. "They're not having much fun are they Mom? Why even bother?" - yeah - sometimes it's like that.

Teachable moment.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on August 29, 2012, 05:36:15 am
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_shows_how_kids_teach_themselves.html

Interesting talk.  This researcher put computer kiosks all over India where kids would find them.  The kids figured things out just fine provided they were between 6 and 13 years old, and worked in a group of 4 or so.  The testing that was done showed they learned at the same rate as kids in regular school :ph34r:
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on August 29, 2012, 09:46:50 am
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_shows_how_kids_teach_themselves.html

Interesting talk.  This researcher put computer kiosks all over India where kids would find them.  The kids figured things out just fine provided they were between 6 and 13 years old, and worked in a group of 4 or so.  The testing that was done showed they learned at the same rate as kids in regular school :ph34r:

Yes - that was pretty amazing. I sent that to Minions!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 01, 2012, 10:51:13 am
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8433/7781258184_837fac714d.jpg)

Eldest minion who took the photo refers to this as an "External Interaction Self-Functioning Device". Boys will be boys - and can anyone tell me what it is with Sticks?

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 01, 2012, 11:30:18 am
Sticks... original tools and weapons of humans. Free (usually), readily available in a vast variety of forms, sizes and weights, and very seldom regulated by government... yet.  I wonder where boys in the middle of the Sahara Desert get their sticks, but I'll bet they do. :)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 03, 2012, 02:40:49 pm
George Takei talks Allegiance on NPR  :  http://www.allegiancemusical.com/article/george-takei-talks-allegiance-npr (http://www.allegiancemusical.com/article/george-takei-talks-allegiance-npr)

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his latest project aims to bring a different kind of story to the stage, one with personal and historical resonance. The actor was born in Los Angeles to a Japanese-American family just a few years before Japans bombing of Pearl Harbor. After that 1941 attack, he and his family were among the tens of thousands of U.S. citizens of Japanese descent who were forced to move to internment camps.

I cannot help but cringe in listening to some of this, but the story is part of our history.



Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Klapton Isgod on September 03, 2012, 02:46:00 pm
George Takei talks Allegiance on NPR  :  http://www.allegiancemusical.com/article/george-takei-talks-allegiance-npr (http://www.allegiancemusical.com/article/george-takei-talks-allegiance-npr)

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his latest project aims to bring a different kind of story to the stage, one with personal and historical resonance. The actor was born in Los Angeles to a Japanese-American family just a few years before Japans bombing of Pearl Harbor. After that 1941 attack, he and his family were among the tens of thousands of U.S. citizens of Japanese descent who were forced to move to internment camps.

I cannot help but cringe in listening to some of this, but the story is part of our history.

Growing up in western Washington state, I worked on a farm that was owned by a Japanese family that was interned during the war.  They were fortunate that they had some loyal white friends who took care of their farm while they were away.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on September 04, 2012, 05:53:55 am
Sticks... original tools and weapons of humans. Free (usually), readily available in a vast variety of forms, sizes and weights, and very seldom regulated by government... yet.  I wonder where boys in the middle of the Sahara Desert get their sticks, but I'll bet they do. :)

Yep, boys and sticks.  At a camping trip my 8-yr old fell in love with three different sticks.  So much so that they are now in our garage and come out daily to be used for all sorts of things.  My SHW asked me about this fascination and I simply shrugged and told her that sticks can be anything to an imaginative boy.  That's why we like them!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing (Constitution Day)
Post by: mutti on September 17, 2012, 09:53:18 am
It's Constitution Day - http://www.constitutionday.com/ (http://www.constitutionday.com/) and we are kicking off the school year.

Sent out the "general assignment" (i.e. Which one of the signers is most interesting to you? Do you think the day is still celebrated or should it not be? Why are the individuals involved all from the East Coast?)

So I thought the last would be a "trick question"  -

response from 9 yo "Only East Coast States were around."

response from 11 yo "Because unlike today, people have to actually exist to participate in the Government process."  (smart a$$).

response from 16yo "Colonists were not allowed to expand beyond the Mountain Ranges in order to keep them under British control therefore there was no population density but the East Coast producing Politicians."

Ah the joys of learning!

edited to correct "west coast to East Coast" -
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: slidemansailor on September 17, 2012, 10:56:14 pm
Hey, I was among 8 or 10 speakers at Idaho's statehouse steps today .. speaking about Constitution Day and, of course, my topic was the Constitutional Sheriff.  Very well received.  Heck, even our unconstitutional governor waxed eloquently about the Constitution. constitution day speech (http://teddunlap.net/?p=1135) 

Idaho, by the way, is not on the East Coast.

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 18, 2012, 05:58:13 am
+1 On the speech. (I should have clarified the original question was about where the Signers were from)

I looked for any mention here in the midwest for mention of Constitution Day - nada.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 19, 2012, 08:36:03 am
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8446/8002936939_da5c5303d6_n.jpg)


So his work on Ornithology is paying off. Great Pyr "rescued" a fledgling from the cats. He identified it, set up a temporary cage until it feathers out, found the right food, and knows it will fly away soon. I hope he continues his interest in learning - about everything - and maintains his dedication.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 19, 2012, 09:49:31 am
That's a darling picture. I do wonder, however, if the little bird will actually fly away. If it has bonded with the boy... it may not go far. I knew some folks who rescued injured and fledgling hawks, eagles, etc... They did their best not to bond with the birds and always wore gloves, full cover clothing, etc. to minimize contact. Even then, they were not always successful returning the birds to the wild.

The most remarkable case was a golden eagle that had been shot. It had a long and very difficult recovery and they despaired of getting it to eat for quite a while. Finally, they discovered that the bird, a young male, would take strips of meat from the gloved hand of one of their youngest daughters... no idea ever why... and he did recover eventually. But he would never go far from that girl and came back repeatedly. After a long time, they got a special "license" to keep it in their aviary. It was turned loose regularly and flew far and wide... always returning to her. It was actually a breathtaking sight because, as you know, he got to be a very LARGE bird - and she was just a tiny thing even grown. Wish I had some pictures...
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 19, 2012, 09:55:54 am
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I do wonder, however, if the little bird will actually fly away. If it has bonded with the boy... it may not go far.]I do wonder, however, if the little bird will actually fly away. If it has bonded with the boy... it may not go far.

I honestly don't know. That's a good question (which I just assigned the Boy to investigate - thanks for the HS project!). He takes it out on the porch every day and so far it flutters off, but whether it was the dog drool holding it down the first day  :rolleyes: or the fact it is only about 80% feathered out - it hasn't gone more than about 10'.

**His update: Link to google pdf (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:aEoHecmocnAJ:elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Condor/files/issues/v043n01/p0058-p0064.pdf+Can+young+Cedar+Waxwings+bond+with+humans?&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg8IAmicnJVjPQkYKp7oDGOBkbnHz9A4OUPe8A3QF6faZHfTrR5IqxXXxUurZIvSbg5jiL9n36-KjXRpPIO94LH5DshOlIbsElY1tZSXgesGVNRMy2TL0hIJ7EGcdP-m8bJ0c3i&sig=AHIEtbSB_IR6kwIfT3AvcjjzPXX9ttDBIw) of a few pages in book written by Margaret Morse Nice "The behavior of the song sparrow and other passerines" from 1941. He qualifies : Maybe it will and maybe it won't.**

Hm - now I'm curious as to where this ongoing project will lead...  I know where this project led - away - far far away!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8281/7740071174_cc0483a1bf_z.jpg)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on September 19, 2012, 10:07:34 am
Hah!  I should start taking pictures of all the toads, fireflies, praying mantises, butterflies, etc that our kids keep in various containers!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 19, 2012, 10:16:23 am
Hah!  I should start taking pictures of all the toads, fireflies, praying mantises, butterflies, etc that our kids keep in various containers!

Yep. For a few reasons.

1: Gives them a reference point to look back on as they grow up
2: Gives you a reference point to look back on as they grow up (which they do so fast)
3: Then they can let the evil small slithery dragon thing critters go quicker.....(lol)

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on September 19, 2012, 12:08:54 pm
3: Then they can let the evil small slithery dragon thing critters go quicker.....(lol)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 19, 2012, 12:43:38 pm
I may have told this story before... so forgive me if so.

When my sons were small, we had a large aquarium with a leak that proved unrepairable... so I put sand, rocks and so forth on the bottom of it and the boys were allowed to bring in - one thing at a time - such critters as they managed to catch. We had, over several years, many lizards, scorpions, a big tarantula, quite a few different snakes, and even a young gopher a cat got but didn't kill. It was not in great shape and didn't live long, but was educational anyway.  Don't recall any birds. The boys seemed to be mostly interested in predator, reptile and "bug" type things anyway.

We only had a "world book" encyclopedia at the time, and the occasional trip to the city library far away, but we did as much research as we could with each creature and the boys learned to respect living things much better than they might have otherwise, I believe. We had ant farms and all sorts of other things as well. I think I would have enjoyed homeschooling very much. :)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 19, 2012, 01:29:42 pm
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I think I would have enjoyed homeschooling very much. :)

I think you did enjoy it, you just didn't give it a title.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: MamaLiberty on September 19, 2012, 01:56:06 pm
I think you did enjoy it, you just didn't give it a title.

LOL, I guess that's true, though I think my sort is called "unschooling" these days. We had no real structure or schedule, just studied whatever happened along. They, of course, also had chores and heavy exposure to all sorts of gardening, livestock and mini farm maintenance like mowing, fence building, etc. We read classics, good magazines and had family reading/discussion sessions. I pretty much neglected math, I'm afraid, except for the common sort that comes with planning purchases and making feed orders or selling what little we had to offer on the local market. Their father taught them mechanics, how to build things, and we both taught them how to shoot and hunt.

Guess that was good enough for starters... both of my boys are far better at math than I ever was. And they can both bake bread or plant a garden, among a hundred and one other things. I can't complain. :)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 19, 2012, 02:20:55 pm
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though I think my sort is called "unschooling" these days
- I'm thinkin' so too. We are a strange batch us "Homeschoolers who chose not to be defined by titles."

I betcha' would be a Radical Unschooler now a days - note the capital "R" - that makes it extra fun!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on September 22, 2012, 08:09:46 am
Video:  http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html)

I do not rememebr if this was posted, but he makes a case for "We are schooled out of creativity".  He also tells a story about a "Physical Reasoner"  That is pretty enlightening.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 26, 2012, 07:44:38 am
Fibonacci Numbers and Nature : http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html (http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html)

An interseting introduction to the "coolness" of Maths. Of course Minions already struggled by saying "Okay - I'll take the Theoretical, but it's not realistic in that instance." kinda thing.  I'll let them mull through this for a few days then intro it as dinner discussion.   

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on September 26, 2012, 12:01:21 pm
What I learned today about HS'ing: that creativity is alive and well in my children.  My 8-yr old son came across a picture of some native american symbols and wanted to make his own 'cave drawings' on a piece of paper.  He got out some paper, colored pencils and some time later had this entire scene drawn out.  Warriors, bow and arrow, a symbol for the wolf, eagle, sun, etc.  When I got home he was excited to show me what he created.  He went on for a good five minutes explaining the whole scene and what each symbol meant. 

My 6-yr old daughter was reading about Holland and flooding back in the 1800's.  She set up a little cake pan, put a couple Monopoly hotels on one side and built a play-doh dike right down the middle.  Then she poured water in one side and saw how the dike kept the water at bay.  My wife helped her a little bit but most of this was on her own.  She told me all about how the people built the dikes and how others were up in watchtowers making sure none of the dikes broke, how a toddler used her little fingers to plug one of the holes.  I am amazed how creative they still are.  It almost seems weird when compared to other neighborhood kids.  I keep telling my wife that next year I'm joining the class!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on September 26, 2012, 01:02:38 pm
Oh +1 knobster. Are minions creative little Critters! We are so lucky!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on September 27, 2012, 07:32:02 am
Fibonacci Numbers and Nature : http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html (http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html)

An interseting introduction to the "coolness" of Maths. Of course Minions already struggled by saying "Okay - I'll take the Theoretical, but it's not realistic in that instance." kinda thing.  I'll let them mull through this for a few days then intro it as dinner discussion.

The fibonacci Equations are used by a camouflage manufacturer to make cammo clothing patterns..........  I can't remember the link right now, but they make a lot of stuff- including cell tower camo.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on October 04, 2012, 09:02:42 pm
So at the dinner table I am completely left out of the conversation as "rain could ignite fire" debate rolls around :

What if a rainstorm dropped all of its water in a single giant drop?  :  What if a rainstorm dropped all of its water in a single giant drop? (http://What if a rainstorm dropped all of its water in a single giant drop?)
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Before that can happen, about 20 seconds after formation, the edge of the droplet hits the ground. The water is now moving at over 200 m/s (450 mph). Right under the point of impact, the air is unable to rush out of the way fast enough, and the compression heats it so quickly that the grass would catch fire if it had time.


 :thrshocker:

Fire fire fire - until I found the email from ND to minions I missed in the spam folder.....

What I learned - check the spam folder  -  ^_^
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: MamaLiberty on October 05, 2012, 06:15:20 am
So at the dinner table I am completely left out of the conversation as "rain could ignite fire" debate rolls around :

Oh, and the "what if" and "why" discussions... I do remember fondly. :) Wish I'd had a neat ND to contribute to those... :)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 01, 2012, 02:47:39 pm
Rarick - I thought of you as soon as I read this:

Ethiopian kids hack OLPCs in 5 months with zero instruction : http://dvice.com/archives/2012/10/ethiopian-kids.php (http://dvice.com/archives/2012/10/ethiopian-kids.php)
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Just to give you a sense of what these villages in Ethiopia are like, the kids (and most of the adults) there have never seen a word. No books, no newspapers, no street signs, no labels on packaged foods or goods. Nothing. And these villages aren't unique in that respect; there are many of them in Africa where the literacy rate is close to zero. So you might think that if you're going to give out fancy tablet computers, it would be helpful to have someone along to show these people how to use them, right?

But that's not what OLPC did. They just left the boxes there, sealed up, containing one tablet for every kid in each of the villages (nearly a thousand tablets in total), pre-loaded with a custom English-language operating system and SD cards with tracking software on them to record how the tablets were used. Here's how it went down, as related by OLPC founder Nicholas Negroponte at MIT Technology Review's EmTech conference last week:


"We left the boxes in the village. Closed. Taped shut. No instruction, no human being. I thought, the kids will play with the boxes! Within four minutes, one kid not only opened the box, but found the on/off switch. He'd never seen an on/off switch. He powered it up. Within five days, they were using 47 apps per child per day. Within two weeks, they were singing ABC songs [in English] in the village. And within five months, they had hacked Android. Some idiot in our organization or in the Media Lab had disabled the camera! And they figured out it had a camera, and they hacked Android."

Of almost more interest are the Comments in which these poor "lab rats" should have "appropriate instruction" - seriously - the power of the Human Mind to reach great heights and run in low thought patterns is amazing.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 06, 2012, 09:53:00 am
I'm not sure if the world is ready for these guys?

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8148978879_c4154f5bef.jpg)


I didn't know...that apparently the best thing about super sized Pixie Sticks is the fact they make great Blow Guns
(note Sight ? Where do they get these ideas?)

Projectile = Wadded TP with splintered Popsicle stick - After being embedded in the "target" box, this became an "Outside" Activity.

He has not yet requested Poison Dart Frogs......................................but his sister mentioned Rhubarb leaves.......(help)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on November 06, 2012, 10:24:28 am
That is sweet Mutti!

My son (with the help of a 12-yr old neighbor boy) built a bow out of a coat hanger and rubber bands.  We quickly informed them that nerf-tipped arrows only would be allowed indoors (after a similar incident of the arrow embedding itself in the target).
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 06, 2012, 11:48:44 am
knobster - I think they are such great little People and some days I wonder - "Was that ever me?". So - did his smile spread from ear to ear? lol
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 20, 2012, 02:52:02 pm
Geese "pelts" can be cured without the use of brain material - and it would be the Minions who would do so...

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: MamaLiberty on November 20, 2012, 03:04:15 pm
Geese "pelts" can be cured without the use of brain material - and it would be the Minions who would do so...

My feverish unorthodox imagination is having a field day with this visual image... :) Geese "pelts?"

But I can't imagine any of your minions without brain material, so I'm puzzled. LOL
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 20, 2012, 05:53:32 pm
Well - I don't know technically if it is a pelt, but once they saw the skin thickness and thick down/feathers, one ran inside and did some 'net research and used the book Bushcraft. They created a stretcher bar system while I skinned the goose. Then they tacked the "pelt" feather side down, scraped off any fat to avoid decomp, and are using salt to "cure" it.

Apparently I committed a major mistake when I threw away the brain - who knew  :headscratch:  Each critter has exactly the correct amount of brain material to tan it's hide. (They referred to Mel Tappan, so I'm guessing they know what they are talking about)

Because our gifts are made for the most part, they plan to give this to their 22 yo sibling. If it works that's alright - this is the one who used to collect the feet of fowl to sketch dragon parts.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Lonewolf72 on November 20, 2012, 09:55:56 pm
The old saying actually goes "The Creator gave ech animal enough brains to preserve it's hide." A double meaning to it. Don't ask for resources, though, I have none. Run across it regularly studying primitive technology. Never heard of it being done with birds. Please keep us updated, I'm curious as to how it turns out.

Raw eggs can be substituted for brains, as well.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on November 21, 2012, 04:43:42 am
I'm not sure if the world is ready for these guys?

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8148978879_c4154f5bef.jpg)


I didn't know...that apparently the best thing about super sized Pixie Sticks is the fact they make great Blow Guns
(note Sight ? Where do they get these ideas?)

Projectile = Wadded TP with splintered Popsicle stick - After being embedded in the "target" box, this became an "Outside" Activity.

He has not yet requested Poison Dart Frogs......................................but his sister mentioned Rhubarb leaves.......(help)

Split peas, sinkers, and other similar sized roughly round objects.  With popcorn (Unpopped) you can go full auto......
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 21, 2012, 08:51:56 am
Raw eggs can be substituted for brains, as well.

D'oh - I've dozens of those...next Goose - I'll casually mention they research that...
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 21, 2012, 08:56:09 am
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With popcorn (Unpopped) you can go full auto......
lol. He was teaching the Cat's to fetch cat food ..
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: slidemansailor on November 21, 2012, 08:54:11 pm
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With popcorn (Unpopped) you can go full auto......
lol. He was teaching the Cat's to fetch cat food ..

Oh that is funny as heck. 
First off, "teaching" a cat anything is questionable,
but the whole picture / movie came together in one sentence. 
I would LOVE to watch a young'un teaching the cat to fetch.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on November 22, 2012, 10:15:46 am
I think the Cats think they are Great Pyrs as they were "raised" by the dogs from about day 3. They will retrieve balls, hair rubber bands and stuffed toys. Of course the Great Pyrs don't retreive anything, so maybe the Cats have trained us to think they are trained - hm - should stop while I still make semi-sense.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on December 04, 2012, 08:44:20 am
So I'm thinking - wow -Biomimicry - that's a cool!

(warning auto pop up)
BC Grads: Solving The Worlds Water Crisis With A Beetle

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/14/bc-grads-solving-world-water-crisis-with-a-beetle/ (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/14/bc-grads-solving-world-water-crisis-with-a-beetle/)

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NBDs design for a water collecting device is based on the Namib Desert Beetle, which manages to survive in one of the hottest, driest, and most uninhabitable places on the planet. The bug uses its back to extract its water supply from morning fogs. Wind pushes the moisture into the peaks of the beetles back until enough condensation builds up to form droplets of water.

Galvez credits Sorensen with coming up with an idea while taking a Biomimicry course.

Apparently they have founded a start up to work on the process - http://www.nbdnano.com/ (http://www.nbdnano.com/)

So I share this with 10 yo Minion "Wow! Look how cool!" and he sort of Meh's the idea, goes to his room and pulls out an "Our Wonderful World" from 1952 and points out a lizard that does the same thing. Apparently the idea is not so new (although the term Biomimicry is new).

Crazy reading kids! Rain on my coolness factor for the day... ^_^
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on December 04, 2012, 08:47:00 am
Tedtalks.com has all sorts of material and a bunch on biomimicry.  They last anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes........
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on December 04, 2012, 08:49:42 am
Tedtalks.com has all sorts of material and a bunch on biomimicry.  They last anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes........

We love Tedtalks.com - in fact Minons have free range access to it thanks to you suggesting it! That starts some "roundtable" dinner discussions for sure.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on December 04, 2012, 09:01:22 am
Some of the stuff can get political, but its accidental and fairly "What can YOU do" consistancy with a lot of "Local Effort" thrown in makes it mostly palatable for me.  there are quite a few that use the govt. for backing up legitimacy, but they are fairly rare, or treat it as just another source.

There was one about global warming that presented Nine aspects of the issue on how humanity is supposed to be affecting the environment.  It was pretty convinging and used a whole bunch of information that is not usually used by that crowd, I may have to change my point of view on that.  It wouldn't change what I am doing too much though, I already have a pretty green lifestyle.  The title of the talk was "Let the Environment Guide Development" or something close.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on December 04, 2012, 09:09:15 am
Some of the stuff can get political, but its accidental and fairly "What can YOU do" consistancy with a lot of "Local Effort" thrown in makes it mostly palatable for me.  there are quite a few that use the govt. for backing up legitimacy, but they are fairly rare, or treat it as just another source.

+1

Our job is to provide the opportunity/basics of Education (to learn to think). Our job is not to tell them what to think. If we wanted to do that - well - we'd just pick up a standardized approved boxed school set.  Of course that is the "walking the line" part of unschooling (outside of the 3 R's).
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on December 05, 2012, 05:35:39 am
Yeah it is a fine line avoiding indoctrination in anything until they start developing their own discriminatory skills and maybe guiding them away from the darker corners.............
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on December 11, 2012, 02:35:40 pm
"Oh Man. Look at this! Wow - can you believe that? Awesome" - 10 yo. Life is pretty cool if you just look around through a Child's eyes.

The Amazing Camouflage Deceptions of World War II - Seymour Reit http://www.amazon.com/Masquerade-amazing-camouflage-deceptions-World/dp/0801549310 (http://www.amazon.com/Masquerade-amazing-camouflage-deceptions-World/dp/0801549310)

A few photos from this source : http://strangeharvest.com/mt/archive/blog/military_decept.php (http://strangeharvest.com/mt/archive/blog/military_decept.php)

(http://www.strangeharvest.com/dummy_tree.jpg)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on January 05, 2013, 07:38:51 pm
The old saying actually goes "The Creator gave ech animal enough brains to preserve it's hide." A double meaning to it. Don't ask for resources, though, I have none. Run across it regularly studying primitive technology. Never heard of it being done with birds. Please keep us updated, I'm curious as to how it turns out.

So the gift was finished and given to their elder Sister (who decided she didn't have "room" for it - at least that is what she conveyed to me). Now it has been mounted on two dowels and proudly hangs in my milkroom. Very pliable, no feather loss. They've decided when we butcher the other 6 geese to make me a "mini-cape". I'll try to get photos up.

Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Lonewolf72 on January 05, 2013, 11:45:18 pm
Sounds great. Might have to get more details on what they did.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Moonbeam on January 30, 2013, 12:29:27 pm
A few times over the last couple of weeks I have been using M&M's to teach some basic math to the 4 1/2 year-olds. It's been an excellent tool to use! The candy holds their interest and I can utilize the various colors advantageously. Using just ten pieces for each child, we worked on addition, subtraction and counting by two's. So far so good!

They wanted to know about tornadoes so we explored that this morning. Age appropriate, of course as I know it can be a little scary.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: MamaLiberty on January 30, 2013, 12:50:49 pm
A few times over the last couple of weeks I have been using M&M's to teach some basic math to the 4 1/2 year-olds.

Tried that with my two for a while. All we seemed to be able to do was subtraction... the M&Ms kept vanishing. LOL

Had a little better success with walnuts and almonds. Once the lesson was over, we cracked them and made nut bread. :) They'd sit still for almost anything if the end result was going to be edible.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Moonbeam on January 30, 2013, 12:53:51 pm
Yeah, I can see food having some limits. If not from them, well then the teacher! :rolleyes:  I have some art supplies that I plan to use for mathematics, too.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on March 12, 2013, 08:56:19 am
Kids need time to just "be", so we had a "snow day":

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8251/8539309685_5d9ee00d5b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8539335201_11ab30e863.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8227/8549308245_43755ba36d.jpg)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on March 12, 2013, 11:40:38 am
My gosh that looks fun mutti.  How I wish we lived closer.  My son would be jumping right along with yours and my two daughters would be petting/feeding every single animal they could get their hands on!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: mutti on March 12, 2013, 05:24:57 pm
Could you just imagine a gathering of TMM offspring - now that would be interesting.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: DiabloLoco on March 12, 2013, 10:16:26 pm
Could you just imagine a gathering of TMM offspring - now that would be interesting.
They'd make one heck of a group of "Wolverines". :laugh:
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: knobster on March 13, 2013, 07:22:41 am
Could you just imagine a gathering of TMM offspring - now that would be interesting.
They'd make one heck of a group of "Wolverines". :laugh:

 :wav:
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Moonbeam on March 13, 2013, 11:44:58 am
Kids need time to just "be"...

Absolutely! Great pics, btw, thanks for posting! :)
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Rarick on April 05, 2013, 07:39:16 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqLiLH6Sjnw       The 2 sigma problem, 10 minutes about the difference between an F and a C.   The speaker talks about how face to face/ personalized instruction can make a 2 grade-2 sigma difference and what gamification of school subjects can do.    Getting back to kids learning by play........
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Moonbeam on September 23, 2014, 03:00:00 pm
Over the last year I have been explaining to my children how some people make rules that actually hurt others. This started over some questions they had as to why I could get in trouble if they were not properly secured in the car. Just planting the seeds of liberty

Anyway, one day we were watching an episode of The Rifleman. The sheriff had to go away on business and agreed to deputize one of the local business owners. A man rode into town to tell his friends about the birth of his son. He celebrated by shooting straight in the air (another discussion, I know). The acting sheriff confiscated his gun and the next day he posted a sign saying that anyone entering the town must turn in their guns, to be returned when they left town, or they would not be allowed to enter the town. Of course, Lucas McCain said, um, no I keep my gun.

Well, wouldnt you know it?! Some bad guys were in the saloon and pointed out how all the holsters were empty thus they would be free to conduct their bad guy actions!!

I took the opportunity to expound on the groundwork already laid about rules that actually hurt people. I explained that the bad guys could hurt others because the good guys could not defend themselves or others because the good intentioned sheriff had taken away their guns. I kept it simple (were dealing with first graders here), but even a couple of six year-olds understood the idea. Makes a mom proud to be able to be around her Little Ones in such a way that life-lesson opportunities like this can be seized!
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: bennie on September 24, 2014, 03:16:19 am
I always like the little lessons on The Rifleman.
Title: Re: What I learned today about HS'ing
Post by: Moonbeam on April 14, 2016, 04:10:34 pm
This will fall under the "what I learned teaching homeschooling...."

We're finishing up our Zoology I studies (flying creations) and though I will never be an entomologist, and in general I'm not an insect-loving kind of girl, I do appreciate God's creatures in general and I am so amazed at what scientists have studied! I repeated to the kids throughout this course, "Someone had to observe this! Someone had to dissect these creatures! Someone had to observe this!" But, I repeat myself in my excitement. So here's a couple of things I thought were particularly interesting.

- Bat poop (called guano) contains certain chemicals that are extracted for use in laundry detergent and other products. [Okay, who was the first guy that thought, "let's use this poop stuff in our laundry!" And I'm too afraid to look up what "other products" are exactly...

- Termites cannot digest cellulose (one of the main components in wood). So when they are born, and whenever the nymph molts, they must eat other termite feces, which contains little creatures called flagellates that can digest the cellulose. Ugh and fascinating all in one!