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Title: Fitness
Post by: Augustwest on August 31, 2004, 08:42:39 pm
Was pondering this not to long ago, and mentioned to a friend of mine that I thought it might not be a bad topic.

By its very nature, life in a gulch is more physically demanding than one, say, watching all fourteen epsiodes of Firefly in a row, seven nights a week. So in some ways a healthy body comes with the territory.

But if things every really got ugly, it would be good to be in decent condition. Particularly considering that the ugliness would be coming from young, fit people who train for it.

And many of the gunnies I know, who I would hope would be sticking up for what's right, look like they'd drop after jogging 10 feet.

So some time ago, I made a commitment to myself to get to the point where I could run 5 miles. Not fast, cuz I'm getting older, and never was built for fast. I'm not buff, but  I did it. And can still. And I'm glad of it.

I'm curious what others' thoughts are, and what, if anything, they do to keep in a little bit of shape...




 
Title: Fitness
Post by: Claire on August 31, 2004, 08:58:10 pm
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So some time ago, I made a commitment to myself to get to the point where I could run 5 miles. Not fast, cuz I'm getting older, and never was built for fast. I'm not buff, but  I did it. And can still. And I'm glad of it.
 
My hat's off to you, Augustwest. Staying in 5-mile run shape after a lifetime of earning all those points on the "going to hell" scale is impressive.

I also suspect you've just introduced a topic that will make a lot of us (other than Iron Man Jack_Harrison and a few stalwart others) go uh ... oh .... erm ... uh. And BTW, I just remembered I have urgent business over in the gun forum ...

I detest hard, organized exercise. (I'd be motivated to do sit-ups, for instance, if I could start with 200 and work my way down to five. Now, that would be worth working toward.

I walk several miles a day and practice a bit of yoga. But I'd rather get my "fitness" by doing useful labor than by exercising. And (she admits guiltily) I don't do enough hard labor.

Tell you what. You run from the JBT's. I'll crouch behind the refrigerator and hold 'em off.

 :P  
Title: Fitness
Post by: Bobaloo on August 31, 2004, 09:19:37 pm
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Was pondering this not to long ago, and mentioned to a friend of mine that I thought it might not be a bad topic.

By its very nature, life in a gulch is more physically demanding than one, say, watching all fourteen epsiodes of Firefly in a row, seven nights a week. So in some ways a healthy body comes with the territory.

But if things every really got ugly, it would be good to be in decent condition. Particularly considering that the ugliness would be coming from young, fit people who train for it.

And many of the gunnies I know, who I would hope would be sticking up for what's right, look like they'd drop after jogging 10 feet.

So some time ago, I made a commitment to myself to get to the point where I could run 5 miles. Not fast, cuz I'm getting older, and never was built for fast. I'm not buff, but  I did it. And can still. And I'm glad of it.

I'm curious what others' thoughts are, and what, if anything, they do to keep in a little bit of shape...
As Claire said, uh ... oh .... erm ... uh.

Your goal of being able to run 5 miles is an excellent measure of fitness, I think.  I'm not there, but I'm working towards it.  Every so often, I'll round up my weights and start doing some upper body strength training for a couple of months.  I always notice a marked improvement in my pistol accuracy shortly thereafter.  I really oughta start doing that routinely...uh...oh...erm...uh.  Of course, that might also be due to the extra practice with the pistol.  I really oughta start shooting more often...uh...oh...erm...uh.  

The resistance to Big Brother was crushed yesterday, thanks to the high temperatures and uphill fighting conditions.  Those rebels who survived the heart attacks will be sent to labor camps to work until death.  None are expected to last more than 3 days.

 
Title: Fitness
Post by: Ian on August 31, 2004, 10:16:54 pm
I wish I could do a 5-mile run without dying. I had asthma as a little kid, and I'm still trying to get rid of its effects. I can do one mile without too much trouble (just gets me really winded), and I've managed to do two one occasion, but no more. My regular workout (3 days a week first thing in the morning, which fits my class schedule well this semester) is a one-mile jog/run (to be increased as it becomes possible), and then sets of crunches, pullups, and dips. I like that combination because it seems to work everything fairly well, and is simple enough to do with nothing but a bar for pullups and handles for dips. I would love to add a shooting session to that morning routine, but I've yet to live anywhere that would be feasible.

IMO (and I'm no fitness expert by any stretch), the best all-around exercise is backpacking. Rather than work a particular muscle or muscle group, it tones almost the whole body. It also gives you practice with skills you (or I, at least) don't work in a gym, like balance, footing, mental alertness, orienteering, and simply experience being out in the wilderness overnight.
Title: Fitness
Post by: Dana on August 31, 2004, 10:27:55 pm
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IMO (and I'm no fitness expert by any stretch), the best all-around exercise is backpacking. Rather than work a particular muscle or muscle group, it tones almost the whole body. It also gives you practice with skills you (or I, at least) don't work in a gym, like balance, footing, mental alertness, orienteering, and simply experience being out in the wilderness overnight.
I took my first ever backpacking trip about a month ago; was out two nights, and did 23 miles.  Had a blast.  I'll admit, though, I don't get enough exercise and was out of shape compared to everyone else on the trail.

Dana
 
Title: Fitness
Post by: Mac the Knife on September 01, 2004, 01:55:06 am
Last April my daughter got me to go to the gym. 5 ft 4 in and 172 pounds and no exercise. Now I do 45 minutes of hard aerobic exercise followed by about 1 1/2 hours of weight training 6 days a week. I have lost 29 pounds and 5 inches around my waist. Once the rainy season ends here in the Philippines I will start jogging too. I will be 60 in Dec. and with the great increase in physical and mental well being I will keep on exercising until the day I die. I still have about 12 pounds to loose to reach my goal of 130. I will then be down to the weight I was in my late teens and early 20's. I hope to do it by Dec. when I turn 60. So, all you couch potatoes, get off your butt and start exercising. It does a body good. :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  
Title: Fitness
Post by: Junker on September 01, 2004, 10:18:32 am
Bravo!!! Mac the Knife. Good stuff. Life is much easier with a body that works well.
Title: Fitness
Post by: Claire on September 01, 2004, 12:34:52 pm
Really, Mac. Darned impressive.

 
Title: Fitness
Post by: unstructuredreality on September 01, 2004, 02:07:12 pm
Do you want to get in shape but don't like lightweight, "feel good" workout programs?
Thug Workout: Fitness From The Streets may be just what you've been looking for; this video demonstrates a workout using standard playground equipment (such as monkey bars and street lights) which employs calisthenics to burn fat and build muscles.

"We've got a fitness [video], like a 'Tae Bo' type of joint, but it's on a street level," Ruff Ryders' co-CEO Waah said on Wednesday of the camp's tape, titled "The Ruff Ryders' Thug Workout." "We'll have the editions like Tae Bo's got. The instructional [tape], the ultimate total-body joint. It's gonna be real crazy.

"This 'Thug Workout' tape is exercise in the 'hood," he continued. "Anywhere you go, you can work out. You can do a workout in the park, you could work out on the beaches. Work out on the light poles. Anywhere on the street, you can do this exercise."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006SFLA/qid=1094065774/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-1871998-0027917?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)
;)

Peace and Good Day
Title: Fitness
Post by: penguinsscareme on September 01, 2004, 02:13:58 pm
My routine is to clench up real tight every time I hear anyone say anything about the presidential race.  I can actually feel it working!  Right now I'm up to, like, 600 reps a day.
Title: Fitness
Post by: Junker on September 01, 2004, 06:11:57 pm
I'll admit that keeping in fair to good physical shape is important to good living. But after spending twenty years running a few miles most every day, I as well enjoy being 'retired'. My wife now takes care of the physical fitness part of the family. Just this spring she went on an 8-mile ruck march coming in with an average per mile time better than most of my run times. I say wearing 45 lbs is cheating though...all you have to do is lean forward and it'll pull you along. She says I'm crazy, but I'm not the one jumping out of perfectly good airplanes. I think maybe different folk find different ways to their own fitness levels and that's fine. It seems more a problem of getting to it and spending the time each and most every day rather than picking the 'right' program.
Title: Fitness
Post by: enemyofthestate on September 01, 2004, 11:37:23 pm
You would have to bring up fitness.

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits!
 
:-)
 
Title: Fitness
Post by: Mac the Knife on September 02, 2004, 12:19:03 am
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You would have to bring up fitness.

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits!
 
:-)
It comes in useful if you ever have to run from the JBT's.  :ph34r:  
Title: Fitness
Post by: Mac the Knife on September 02, 2004, 12:21:42 am
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Really, Mac. Darned impressive.
Thank you. High praise indeed from the Third Assistant Demi-Goddess of Freedom. :D  
Title: Fitness
Post by: Misfit on September 02, 2004, 10:13:58 am
This does cross my mind often...I figure I'm going to be running around in the mountains eventually and I need to get my stamina back up to what it used to be. I'm a former bodybuilder and what I've found is that the muscle mass and strength seems to hang around longer than the cardiovascular fitness. I'm still quite strong (for a girl  :rolleyes: ), which is good for slinging my Garand around. Also, good for being a human pack mule and moving your residence frequently (4 times this past year).

I been meaning to get back into the working out routine, although I now would prefer hard labor over trendy fitness clubs to do that. When I moved here and found out there was a fitness room where I live I figured I could get in there a few times a week...the first time I went in to work out I found half the equipment is broken...and there wasn't much to begin with. Basically, all that's left is the bench press and leg curl on a universal set and a recumbant bike. When I was out in the desert I was out working often...walking alot, digging ditches, etc.  
Title: Fitness
Post by: Bear on September 02, 2004, 11:05:27 am
Earlier this summer I decided to get serious and lose weight. So far, I've been averaging about 1.5 pounds per
week. I've lost about 15 pounds, and have a ways to go to my "ideal" weight.

The reason why I'm even bringing this up is not some miracle diet, or exercise (yeesh!), but I had to make some
changes in my head to get this to work. I'll list some of them below.

* Expectations

The government figures say, that for a 6'2" man, the maximum healthy weight is 165 pounds. Give me a f***ing break!
I was a trim 235 pounds in college. You don't get from 235 to 165 without sacrificing some muscle and bone!
I resented the idea that I should try to match an unattainable ideal. I also resented the implication that there was
something wrong with being bigger (not  fatter) than average.


(Editted in)

The thought that finally crystallized in my mind is that I should not let other peoples expectations - and my anger
about them - interfere in my doing what's best for me. I'll lose weight because it will help me, not because I want
to conform. Once I had this insight, everything else fell into place.
(end edit)

However, much of the muscle mass I had then, and put on afterwards (I like rowing), has since turned to flab. It has
to go one way or the other. I had a talk with my doctor during my last physical, and we came up with a weight
number that we both can live with - I think it's attainable, and he thinks I'll be healthy. I grumbled something about
the length of time it will take to take it off slowly - his suggeston - and he reminded me  that it will be coming off
much faster than it went on. Fair enough.

* Eat to the point of satisfaction not eating to be full.

* Getting a grip on portion size.

I had some issues with semmantics. I discovered very quickly that a reasonable portion for a lot of things is much
smaller than I thought. Ok, I can live with that. What I had a problem with is that the 'serverings' that make up
portions are often doll sized.
Who are they trying to kid? Is half a slice of bread really a serving??? Finally I realized
I should stop trying to argue for larger servings and just concentrate on the portion size.

* Don't eat to relieve stress.

I've changed jobs within the department, and have much, much less stress. This has made it easier for me to not
snack to sooth an upset stomach. I wish I could say that I solved this problem as a matter of sheer force of will,
but I really had to reduce the stress to fix this.

* Exercise

I am not a fan of exercise for exercise sake. Some are. Good for them! I'd rather exercise as a means of doing
something.

The other thing is that tend to like upper-body sports: archery, rowing, shot put, discus. I spent a season on a
cross country team in high school, and it was pure hell. I finished the season because I refused to quit, not because
I was enjoying myself. (On the upside, I did improve my times quite a bit.)

I've started walking in the woods when I'm home, and using the tread mill at they gym when I'm at work. I will not
jog, thankyouverymuch! I've also added some weight training to regain some muscle mass. I figure more muscle
will burn more calories, and that will get me to my goal sooner.

Summary: eat less, move more, be happy.

Bear
Title: Fitness
Post by: Junker on September 02, 2004, 12:12:37 pm
Good show, Bear. That maximum healthy weight of 165 pounds is beyond words! What you're doing sounds the deal. I did mostly running in my life, but that was the circumstance of my job. I prefer the walk too. I think it has to be a bit more than the casual strole, but even then, it's a pleasureable pastime either looking at city or countryside. In Germany we have the volksmarsch-- just people getting together for the fun, company, and fitness return of long walks. I was fortunate to have the fun of going to Nijmegen, Holland for 4 days of 20 miles a day accompanied by people from all over the world. Part of the niceness of such events is that you can tailor the sociability to your mood-- walk alone ignoring everyone for the whole route while enjoying the scenery and yourself or talk it up with whomever looks interesting and willing. And the where is part of the deal-- special trips to interesting places. Stateside, I'd love to walk the Grand Canyon or, east coast, the Appalachian Trail. Lots of places to see and enjoy.
Title: Fitness
Post by: Roy J. Tellason on September 02, 2004, 09:01:33 pm
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Earlier this summer I decided to get serious and lose weight. So far, I've been averaging about 1.5 pounds per week. I've lost about 15 pounds, and have a ways to go to my "ideal" weight.

So how did you arrive at a number?

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The reason why I'm even bringing this up is not some miracle diet, or exercise (yeesh!), but I had to make some
changes in my head to get this to work. I'll list some of them below.

* Expectations

The government figures say, that for a 6'2" man, the maximum healthy weight is 165 pounds. Give me a f***ing break!

Anyway!  That's absurd...  I'm about 6'2" also (used to be somewhat taller,  but I do believe my spine has compressed over the years) and am about 220.  No,  that was 216 the last time I was at the doctor's office,  which is down 4 lbs over some period of time or other.  I wouldn't mind losing some  of this beer gut,  but other than that am in no particular hurry to end up skinny -- I was always the skinny kid to start with,  and suffered what skinny kids usually do,  didn't start putting it on until I was out of NYC (I guess that was a healthy move? :-) and since then.

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I was a trim 235 pounds in college. You don't get from 235 to 165 without sacrificing some muscle and bone!

Sounds unhealthy to me.

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I resented the idea that I should try to match an unattainable ideal. I also resented the implication that there was something wrong with being bigger (not fatter) than average.

I've believed for a long time that those charts are bogus.

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The thought that finally crystallized in my mind is that I should not let other peoples expectations - and my anger about them - interfere in my doing what's best for me. I'll lose weight because it will help me, not because I want to conform. Once I had this insight, everything else fell into place.

Yeah.  I'll figure it out too,  but not go by those silly charts,  or what somebody else's expectations are.

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I grumbled something about the length of time it will take to take it off slowly - his suggeston - and he reminded me  that it will be coming off much faster than it went on. Fair enough.

I see the *MAJOR* ad gimmick for any weight loss plan,  diet,  product,  or whatever all seem to focus on that aspect,  and that bothers me.  What's the hurry?  I can't believe it's healthy,  either.

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* Eat to the point of satisfaction not eating to be full.

I like being full.  What I need to do is stop eating to feel stuffed.  Which is relatively easier than it used to be,  because I refuse to go for comfort and continually buy larger sizes in stuff. :-)  I figured if that signal doesn't tell me something then I need to pay closer attention.

Bad enough I have a bunch of stuff that used to fit me that doesn't fit me any more.

But yeah,  I can see thinking real hard about _how much_ you're eating,  and trying to make it a process of eating somewhat less,  over time.  And making it a habit.  Some time back,  we went to a get-together that a friend was having,  and I saw a guy there who I almost didn't recognize.  He'd been a little husky before,  but now he was *huge*.  And he sat down on one of those "resin" (call 'em plastic, cuz they are!) chairs,  and the damn thing collapsed under him.  And two or three of us had to help him up.

I *surely* don't want to go there!

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* Getting a grip on portion size.

Have you noticed how it keeps getting bigger?  "Super size that?"  No,  and no I don't want the combo either,  for that matter.  "A soda" used to be mostly a 12 ounch bottle or can,  except for those little bitty coke bottles,  and then it went to 16 ounces,  and now it's 20 apparently.  And I've seen young dudes walking around with quarts or even gallons of heavily sweetened iced tea...!

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I had some issues with semmantics. I discovered very quickly that a reasonable portion for a lot of things is much smaller than I thought. Ok, I can live with that.

It _is_ an adjustment,  though.

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What I had a problem with is that the 'serverings' that make up portions are often doll sized. Who are they trying to kid?

The same people they're trying to kid with those stupid "ideal weight" charts...

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Is half a slice of bread really a serving???

Not as far as I'm concerned.  Hell,  a couple of slices,  at least _buttered_ (none of that "margarine crap" for me!),  better yet get it fresh and unsliced,  and I'll cut myself a slab...

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Finally I realized I should stop trying to argue for larger servings and just concentrate on the portion size.

Huh?

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* Don't eat to relieve stress.

I've changed jobs within the department, and have much, much less stress. This has made it easier for me to not snack to sooth an upset stomach. I wish I could say that I solved this problem as a matter of sheer force of will, but I really had to reduce the stress to fix this.

That's a tough one.  I used to snack at my desk,  on break,  and have something along with whatever I'd brought for lunch,  too.  Not any more.

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* Exercise

I am not a fan of exercise for exercise sake. Some are. Good for them! I'd rather exercise as a means of doing something.

Yeah,  me too.  We've moved all of our own stuff,  every time we've moved,  I work on my own vehicles mostly,  Built things.  Stuff like that.  The muscles that get good are the ones that get USED!

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The other thing is that tend to like upper-body sports: archery, rowing, shot put, discus. I spent a season on a cross country team in high school, and it was pure hell. I finished the season because I refused to quit, not because I was enjoying myself. (On the upside, I did improve my times quite a bit.)

Never was into sports,  probably the skinny kid thing,  though I did used to play basketball.  Up until that period when I put on a whole lot of height in one year,  grew something close to a foot in not much more than a year,  and that messed up my game.

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I've started walking in the woods when I'm home, and using the tread mill at they gym when I'm at work.

Walking works well for me,  only time I've ever been on a treadmill was for a cardio stress test (I guess I musta passed.  :-).  Woods are nice,  I want some right on my own property,  though,  rather than having to get in a car and drive to get to some.

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I will not jog, thankyouverymuch!

Me neither.  The ones that get me are the ones that I've seen going by when it's all hot and humid around here,  those people are nuts!  I'm sitting there doing *nothing* and sweating buckets...

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I've also added some weight training to regain some muscle mass. I figure more muscle
will burn more calories, and that will get me to my goal sooner.

Sounds workable to me.

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Summary: eat less, move more, be happy.

Healthy,  too.  (I'm hoping!)
Title: Fitness
Post by: Bear on September 02, 2004, 11:23:37 pm
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Earlier this summer I decided to get serious and lose weight. So far, I've been averaging about 1.5 pounds per week. I've lost about 15 pounds, and have a ways to go to my "ideal" weight.

So how did you arrive at a number?

The Doc asked what my weight was in High School and in College, then asked me what kind of activities I'd
been invovled in. Then he chucked the charts and relied on his own judgement. Funny thing, the number he
had in mind was what I had in mind too.

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Finally I realized I should stop trying to argue for larger servings and just concentrate on the portion size.
Huh?

What I mean is, that if X amount of toast is a decent portion for me, then why should I care if someone
calls that 1 serving or 12 servings? The serving size issue was a distraction for me.

When all is said and done, I'm shooting for 265 pounds. At that weight I should be trim. Maybe not buff, but trim.

A funny thing, though - when I worked out before to lose weight, what happened is I put on the muscle mass and
lost fat, but not weight. Then I'd slack off after a while, gains some flab, then go through another spasm of work outs
to try to lose the weight, and end up ratcheting my weight upwards. Now that I have a handle on the food input part
of this, I think I can reduce the weight and the fat, while regaining muscle tone in the bargain.

It'd be handy if each body came with an owners's manual!

Bear
 
Title: Fitness
Post by: RagnarDanneskjold on September 03, 2004, 12:00:12 am
Bear Posted on Sep 2 2004, 11:23 PM
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when I worked out before to lose weight, what happened is I put on the muscle mass and lost fat, but not weight.
Well, that is actually quite normal. If you want some kind of goal, lean body mass is the key. Not weight.

My current exercise routine consists of hanging on to the handlebars of my motorcycle at 75 - 80 mph every day to and from work, about 75 minutes total, rain or shine.
Title: Fitness
Post by: Plinker-MS on September 03, 2004, 03:03:26 am
I found The Hacker's Diet (http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/) most enlightening.  Explains the relationship between eating, exercise, and bodyweight in terms that any geek can understand.  And it is free on the web.

What has worked for me?  

-eliminate sugar-laden soda -- switching to diet soda or unsweetened tea and coffee -- This had the most noticeable effect, it was also the hardest.

I have also started walking (and occasionally running) 2-3 miles per day.  Sometimes on the treadmill, recently on my property.
 
Title: Fitness
Post by: Galahad on September 11, 2004, 12:51:09 am
For those with access to a gym, I would recommend trying the body pump workout:
http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/resear...ch/bodypump.htm (http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/bodypump.htm)

Each workout is a challenge. But it's a lot of fun.

 
Title: Fitness
Post by: RagnarDanneskjold on September 11, 2004, 01:41:20 am
Has anyone here tried Kettlebells (http://www.russiankettlebells.com/)?
I found this (http://www.russiankettlebellfitness.com/kettlebellstarterkit.html) suggested beginning workout and am considering taking the plunge.
Title: Fitness
Post by: Chris on September 18, 2004, 11:02:14 am
Martial arts can be a good way of getting some aerobic exercise in, in addition to the obvious practical applications.
I just started training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu twice a week, and it has been quite an experience.  Good aerobic workout, great for flexability, not bad for devloping muscle tone either (breaking out from under a 250# sparring partner who has put you in full mount is an upper body workout, don't let anyone tell you different.  :D)  Plus, like most martial arts, it gives you a great incentive to keep practicing.

As an aside - having a partner to work out with is a big help when starting a workout plan - you keep each other motivated.  The guy who introduced me to BJJ is also my usual shooting partner, which works out pretty well.  We each have to stay in practice so we can kick the other guys ass.   :D

- Chris
Title: Fitness
Post by: unstructuredreality on September 18, 2004, 03:44:31 pm
I used to do martial arts, and you're right it keeps you in tip top shape.  I also used to play basketball 4 or 5 nights a week which led to a nasty injury that kept me away from the Martial arts.  I still play hoops but haven't gotten back into the ancient arts, although I still do study them quite a bit when I have time.  
Title: Fitness
Post by: Augustwest on September 18, 2004, 05:17:16 pm
Hey Unstructured, which form of martial arts if you don't mind my asking?

Sometime if I find a little spare time  :rolleyes: there's an Aikido dojo about half an hour from here that I'd like to check out.
Title: Fitness
Post by: woodtramp on September 25, 2004, 11:50:49 am
Glad to see this topic brought up as I think it's an essential factor for a freedom activist to be in the best mental/physical condition possible when battling the govgoons.I just got back from the north woods and while there I did a lot of walking and biking and I think I felt the most effect in my legs so some kind of upper body excercise would be appropriate.One idea I'd like to try is to do a few basic weighttraining exercises with rocks or small logs such as presses or curls since the equipment is so readily available for free.Has anybody ever tried this?And let's not forget about the importance of a good diet.This issue is sort of a tough one for me because I do have quite a sweet tooth.But whatever level of one's fitness the most important thing is to find someting that fits your personal preferences and lifestyle and get moving about on a regular basis.Good health to one and all.

Woodtramp.
Title: Re: Fitness
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