The Mental Militia Forums

9/11 Discussion => Post-9/11 => Topic started by: Basil Fishbone on February 22, 2008, 11:29:09 am

Title: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Basil Fishbone on February 22, 2008, 11:29:09 am
 Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
http://www.infowars.com/?p=371

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Thursday, Feb 21, 2008

An article co-written by a former Congressman and carried by the San Francisco
Chronicle has gained much attention recently as it shines light on a
coordinated federal government program to build detention camps at
undisclosed locations within the United States.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL

"Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal
government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide
swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without
legal or constitutional recourse in the event of an emergency influx of
immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."
write Lewis Seiler and former Congressman Dan Hamburg of the watchdog group
Voice of the Environment, Inc.

Voice of the Environment’s mission is to educate the public regarding the
transfer of public trust assets into private, mostly corporate, hands.

The article continues:

    Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid
contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build
detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The
government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of
railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport
detainees.

    According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is
part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the
removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists." ...<snip>
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Mr. Dare on February 22, 2008, 11:44:11 am
Quote
  According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is
part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the
removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists." ...<snip>

Sounds reminicent of a certain "final solution" from recent European history... Wonder how many folks will just go along with it, and how many are now already on the list...

Quote
According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counterterrorism Center holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month.
Title: Former Congressman Warns Of American Concentration Camps !
Post by: Secret Six on February 23, 2008, 01:11:03 pm
[ Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America] (http://www.infowars.net/articles/february2008/210208Camps.htm)

San Francisco Chronicle article outlines Homeland Security ENDGAME
      
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Thursday, Feb 21, 2008

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa98/CD2007_01/210208camp.jpg)

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa98/CD2007_01/081206camp.jpg)

 An article co-written by a former Congressman and carried by the  San Francisco Chronicle has gained much attention recently as it shines light on a coordinated federal government program to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States.

"Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs." write Lewis Seiler and former Congressman Dan Hamburg of the watchdog group Voice of the Environment, Inc.

Voice of the Environment's mission is to educate the public regarding the transfer of public trust assets into private, mostly corporate, hands.

The article continues:

    Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."

Seiler and Hamburg also warn of the alarming and numerous freedom killing pieces of legislation that have been passed recently, dovetailing with the build up of infrastructure of tyranny inside the US.

We have previously highlighted the shocking details behind this shining example of modern day corporate fascism.

The issue gained national attention two years ago when it was announced that Kellogg, Brown and Root had been awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency.

The language of the preamble to the agreement veils the program with talk of temporary migrant holding centers, but it is made clear that the camps will also be used "as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency."

Following the story, first given wide attention by Prisonplanet.com, the Alternet website put together an alarming report that collated all the latest information on plans to initiate internment of political subversives and Muslims after the next major terror attack in the US.

The article highlighted the disturbing comments of Sen. Lindsey Graham, who encouraged torture supporting then Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to target, "Fifth Columnists" Americans who show disloyalty and sympathize with "the enemy," whoever that enemy may be.

It is important to stress that the historical precedent mirrors exactly what the Halliburton camp deal outlines. Oliver North's Reagan era Rex 84 plan proposed rounding up 400,000 refugees, under FEMA, in the event of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States.

The real agenda, just as it is with Halliburton's gulags, was to use the cover of rounding up immigrants and illegal aliens as a smokescreen for targeting political dissidents. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.

According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counterterrorism Center today holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month.

Discussions of federal concentration camps are no longer the rhetoric of paranoid Internet conspiracy theorists, they are mainstream news.

Halliburton, through their KBR subsidiary, is the same company that built most of the major new detention camps in Iraq and Afghanistan. KBR have been embroiled in a human sex slave trade that their representatives have lobbied to continue.

We have a company that has been handed a contract to build prison camps in America that is engaged in trafficking young girls and women. Can this horror movie get any more frightening? Sadly, yes.

What could the government be contemplating that leads it to make contingency plans to detain without recourse millions of its own citizens? ask Lewis Seiler and Dan Hamburg in the conclusion to their article.

The answer clearly lies in the fact that over the past decade we have witnessed an extreme acceleration of the physical implementation of a framework and infrastructure ready to receive those who will not go along with a coordinated destruction of traditional American values and freedom.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Mr. Dare on February 23, 2008, 01:46:57 pm
Merged two topics on this subject
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: DPR 2006 on February 23, 2008, 02:06:24 pm
And still The Imperial March plays on in my head...
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on February 23, 2008, 04:07:44 pm
Yup, they're there, ready and waiting.

Feralfae shows wisdom:

...more than a dozen friends in Panama: many moved there after... (http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=1083.msg214172#msg214172)

Recently, I have done... (http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=14686.msg214003#msg214003)

their watch system told them the signs were there - it was time to go. (http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=1083.msg213938#msg213938)
[/list]

And while we've not seen such in a long time, I'd seriously ponder:

(http://delanion.com/xg/bwald.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Buchenwald_Slave_Laborers_Liberation.jpg) (http://delanion.com/xg/camp.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ebensee_concentration_camp_prisoners_1945.jpg)

Maybe it's coming, or not. But the camps are there.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: da gooch on February 23, 2008, 04:59:57 pm
These camps NEED to be "FOUND" and presented to the public eye ASAP. *












* check out the quote from Simon Weisenthal below ....
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on February 23, 2008, 05:04:44 pm
"For your benefit, learn from our tragedy. It is not a written law that the next victims must be Jews."  Simon Wiesenthal

Yup, to a concentration camp, we all look the same.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Basil Fishbone on February 24, 2008, 12:41:59 am
Quote
These camps NEED to be "FOUND" and presented to the public eye ASAP. *

I have not verified these, and don't know when this was written, but these should be checked out.  Basil

FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders
http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062


Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on February 24, 2008, 02:23:02 pm
Unroll the barbed wire around any field, post guards, and you've got a camp.

Then have the "detainees" install "their" improvements. Tents, shit-holes,
graves, ...

The already existing prisons can handle the "problem" people. The drug
prisoners (non-violent types) can be swapped to make more room in
the concrete prisons.

Already-built camps are not primary to the process, but rather just pork
routines for the "friendly" firms.
Title: Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on February 24, 2008, 03:38:52 pm
SF Chron, Feb 2008

Rule by fear or rule by law? (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL)

Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: padre29 on February 24, 2008, 03:42:05 pm


Ahh, reminds of the mid to late 90's and Elmsdorf and it's special designation was a hot topic.

If anyone ever bothers to read the original SCOTUS decision concerning Japanese Americans, this sort of thing is quite disturbing indeed, the SCOTUS never really banned the practice, quite the opposite and the Chief US Prosecuter was none other then California's young legal "genius" Warren Burger...
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on February 24, 2008, 04:46:25 pm
What you allow them to do to the least of you, they will in turn
do to you. Somewhere, sometime. When you might not expect it.

Never to forget, never to forgive?

They don't forget either. It's in the records.

Bureaucrat's rule number one: Never destroy records.

Pessimistisch, nicht Wahr, genosse?
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: bobcat on February 25, 2008, 03:55:25 pm
Truly scary and motivating stuff. 

For those that would think this can't happen in America, it has (Japanese, Native Americans) and will likely happen again. 

Wasn't Nazi Germany and the horrific atrocities enough to end this kind of activity?  Apparently not, as power seekers have no bounds.

Junker is right, 'What you allow them to do to the least of you, they will in turn do to you. 

Gotta find out where these camps are before they get used, with the intent to force EXPOSURE.

And yes, an instant camp can be quite easily started with a few goons with firearms, disarmed citizens and a little concertina wire...

Folks, the tyranny inertia is real and gaining speed.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Apple on February 26, 2008, 02:58:26 am
Wasn't Nazi Germany and the horrific atrocities enough to end this kind of activity?  Apparently not, as power seekers have no bounds.

Of course not. There will always be those who wish to be tyrants. They are not subject to atrocities, they cause them. (PTSD (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=16029.0), anyone?) And they believe they have learned from the mistakes of the past. No Blitzkrieg this time, but slowly building their base of power, in the name of all that is good. In WWII America helped to liberate Europe. This time around, the USA is more powerful than all other nations combined. Who is going to come to your rescue?

Unroll the barbed wire around any field, post guards, and you've got a camp.

Additionally, what's to prevent anyone from quietly warehousing a couple of million "shock" collars which set off when they go out of range of some central transmitter?
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on February 27, 2008, 01:58:17 am
Nice, thank you.


And there too:

Army Regulation 210-35
Civilian Inmate Labor Program
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Mr. Dare on February 27, 2008, 09:01:43 am
Quote
Camp Perry - Site renovated; once used as a POW camp to house German and Italian prisoners of WWII. Some tar paper covered huts built for housing these prisoners are still standing. Recently, the construction of multiple 200-man barracks have replaced most of the huts.

Anybody ever participate in the National Rifle Competitions at Camp Perry? I've spent a couple of weeks in those huts back in the '80s... That's been used for competitors bunks for years! Bottom line there's lots of places to put folks you want to keep under control.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Elias Alias on February 27, 2008, 11:53:43 am
http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentration_camp-locations.htm

Thank you for posting a good site. I did not have that site and have enjoyed clicking around there. I found a lot of good reading there.

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: ZooT_aLLures on February 27, 2008, 06:00:39 pm
Anyone by any chance know where there's some good pics of the old jap internment camp from WWII?

Maybe a "Never again" campaign is in order here.........
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on February 27, 2008, 07:27:10 pm
small help

1. Google "japanese internment camp WWII" & clicked  "images" for various pics.


2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment - ~5-6 pics

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Manzanar_calisthenics_0016u.jpg

Female internees practicing calisthenics at Manzanar War Relocation Center, Owens Valley, California. In 1943, Ansel Adams followed an invitation by newly appointed camp director Ralph Merritt to photograph the everyday life of the Japanese American internees in the camp. Unlike his colleague Dorothea Lange, whose pictures for the War Relocation Authority focused on the hardship and humiliation of the deportation and internment, Adams's intent was to "show how these people, suffering under a great injustice, (…) had overcome the sense of defeat and despair by building for themselves a vital community in an arid (but magnificent) environment." (Ansel Adams, 1965)
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on February 28, 2008, 01:56:44 pm
Katherine's link is:

"San Jose Police To Use Crowd Control Sound Wave Weapons"

"What's good enough to force a terrorist out of a cave is good enough to make you fall into line"
- - - - - -


Thanks for linking, Katherine.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: iloilo on February 29, 2008, 12:17:57 am
Yes, thank you Katherine, and welcome!
ff
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Mr. Dare on February 29, 2008, 06:05:41 am
Yes indeed, thank you and welcome!
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on March 02, 2008, 10:26:48 pm
via STR:

Shoo away those old-time blues.[/size]

(http://delanion.com/xg/brope.jpg) (http://bp1.blogger.com/_Un0geO0PgZ8/R6JvA21ispI/AAAAAAAAB60/FvA1Ts4ns2s/s1600-h/369.JPG)
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: iloilo on March 02, 2008, 10:55:36 pm
Anyone by any chance know where there's some good pics of the old jap internment camp from WWII?

Maybe a "Never again" campaign is in order here.........
I think a "Never Again" campaign is definitely a great idea!  I have already sent the very relevant link posted by Katherine to others I happen to know in the freedom line of work, and asked them to post it around.
ff
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on March 02, 2008, 11:10:39 pm
Maybe a "Never again" campaign is in order here.........
I think a "Never Again" campaign is definitely a great idea!  I have already sent the
very relevant link posted by Katherine to others I happen to know in the freedom
line of work, and asked them to post it around.
ff

Ack! I missed that second line before. Good idea, ZooT.
Maybe add Hiroshima and Nagasaki to it. Dresden.
Starving the German POWs after WWII.
Etc.

Never Again!
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Wyomiles on March 05, 2008, 03:49:35 am
Children-of-the-camps.org



http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/01/04/news/wyoming/35-camp-preservation.txt

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,5143,695247781,00.html
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on March 05, 2008, 08:45:38 pm
Older here:

Remember that scare about FEMA detention camps? Well... (http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=8795.0) by Joel on February 28, 2006
Concentration kamps Courtesy of Halliburton (http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=8561.0) by bd satva on February 05, 2006


From back then:

Published: February 4, 2006

Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Contract to Add Temporary Immigration Detention Centers (http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html&OQ=_rQ3D1Q26pagewantedQ3Dprint&OP=2bf087fQ2F4(Q7B_4Q3EBypiBBrP4PQ24Q24Q7D4Q24P4Q24u4Q266rNBQ266Q224Q24ub6Q22Q22N_sirBQ26Zbr2Q22)


Sign-in needed, but bugmenot.com nytimes.com (http://www.bugmenot.com/view/nytimes.com) is here.

Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Contract to Add Temporary Immigration Detention Centers
By RACHEL L. SWARNS

WASHINGTON, Feb. 3 -- The Army Corps of Engineers has awarded a contract worth up to $385 million for building temporary immigration detention centers to Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that has been criticized for overcharging the Pentagon for its work in Iraq.

KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said. KBR, which announced the contract last month, had a similar contract with immigration agencies from 2000 to last year.

...

A spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Jamie Zuieback, said KBR would build the centers only in an emergency like the one when thousands of Cubans floated on rafts to the United States. She emphasized that the centers might never be built if such an emergency did not arise.

"It's the type of contract that could be used in some kind of mass migration," Ms. Zuieback said.

A spokesman for the corps, Clayton Church, said that the centers could be at unused military sites or temporary structures and that each one would hold up to 5,000 people.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: bobcat on March 05, 2008, 10:42:21 pm
Quote
BR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said. KBR, which announced the contract last month, had a similar contract with immigration agencies from 2000 to last year.

Now that's some curious wording (the red stuff).  Sounds like words for the conspiracy theorists to tackle.  New programs, hmmmmm.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Apple on March 06, 2008, 01:08:20 am
Quote
BR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said. KBR, which announced the contract last month, had a similar contract with immigration agencies from 2000 to last year.

Now that's some curious wording (the red stuff).  Sounds like words for the conspiracy theorists to tackle.  New programs, hmmmmm.

Yeah, that one caught my eye too. A slip of the tongue? Deliberate foreshadowing? (Am I perhaps a character in some futuristic WWIII novel?)
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Armageddon2012 on March 08, 2008, 11:52:42 am
I got my doubts that the Detention Camps are for illegals , The Polititions need their votes !!! 
 
 The Detention Camps will be needed when the " END GAME " , of perpously doing things to Ruin our economy, to Lead us to the New World Order !!!
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Elias Alias on March 09, 2008, 01:55:20 pm
I got my doubts that the Detention Camps are for illegals , The Polititions need their votes !!! 
 
 The Detention Camps will be needed when the " END GAME " , of perpously doing things to Ruin our economy, to Lead us to the New World Order !!!

I think you are exactly right.

http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/endgamedvd.html

Salute!
Elias
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Junker on March 09, 2008, 05:18:33 pm
Book- End Game: A Blueprint for Global Enslavement


Enslavement—yup, getting something for nothing has a long, long tradition
throughout all cultures of the world.

In our area of the European diaspora, those who back then killed or attempted
to enslave all other cultures/peoples that they ran across: South AmerInds,
North AmerInds, AsianInds, Aussie Abos, Tasmanians, Africans, &c. And it's
become as American as Apple Pie, too, and is now the global WASP network
regardless of the liberal published pleading to the contrary.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Polearm on March 27, 2008, 09:58:41 pm
So, in a spirit of "seeing for my self before falling for it" I decided to look up some of the locations on good old Google Earth.  If you have never tried this, it could be kinda useful or maybe even fun.

If you have it already (or after you download it and install it) do a search in the box for "Camp Grayling" (it's listed on the above link as a Detention Camp).  The image over this location is not very good, but that doesn't matter.  Click on the blue bubble marker for the camp.  A text box should appear with a link for "FEMA Camp Locations" in it.  Click on that link.  The map will zoom out and show all 188 marked locations for the camps.

You can zoom in fairly close, in some cases, to see better detail.

Google Earth is not a bad little program for the price of free.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: dogsledder54 on March 30, 2008, 11:03:11 am
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/timeline.html#warsaw

Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: da gooch on March 31, 2008, 05:36:35 pm
So, in a spirit of "seeing for my self before falling for it" I decided to look up some of the locations on good old Google Earth.  If you have never tried this, it could be kinda useful or maybe even fun.

If you have it already (or after you download it and install it) do a search in the box for "Camp Grayling" (it's listed on the above link as a Detention Camp).  The image over this location is not very good, but that doesn't matter.  Click on the blue bubble marker for the camp.  A text box should appear with a link for "FEMA Camp Locations" in it.  Click on that link.  The map will zoom out and show all 188 marked locations for the camps.

You can zoom in fairly close, in some cases, to see better detail.

Google Earth is not a bad little program for the price of free.
emphasis is mine

True but for one requirement ....
You MUST have a newer PC/Linux/Mac with the processing power to run the program.
For SOME of us on the lower income level that makes Google Earth too expensive .... even at Free because the processors are NOT Free.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: dogsledder54 on March 31, 2008, 06:26:16 pm
Google Maps came up with the following under "FEMA camps"
FEMA Camp Locations
Created on Nov 19 - Updated Nov 19
By KL -
Rate this map - Write a comment
Opelika, AL Aliceville, AL  lMaxwell AFB - Montgomery, AL  Talladega, AL  Elmendorf AFB, AK  Eielson AFB, AK  Ft. Wainwright,AK
 Ft. Huachuca, AZ  Pinal County, AZ  Yuma County, AZ  Phoenix, AZ  Florence, AZ  Wickenburg, AZ  Sedona, AZ
 Ft. Chaffee, AR  Pine Bluff, AR  Jerome - Chicot/Drew Counties, AR  Drew, AR  Chicot, AR  Rohwer - Descha County, AR
 Descha, AR  Blythville AFB, AR  Berryville, AR  Vandenberg Air Force Base, Lompoc, Santa Barbara, California
 Norton AFB, CA  Tule Lake, CA  Fort Ord, CA  Twentynine Palms, CA  Oakdale, CA  Terminal Island, CA  Ft. Irwin, CA
 McClellan AFB, CA  Sacramento - Army Depot, CA  Mather AFB, CA  Trinidad, CO  Ft. Carson, CO  Avon Park, FL  Eglin AFB, FL
 Pensacola, FL  Ft. Benning, GA  Ft McPherson, Atlanta, GA  Ft. Gordon, GA  Unadilla, GA  Oglethorpe, GA  Morgan, GA
 Calhoun, GA  Camilla, GA  Mitchell, GA  Hawkinsville, GA  Wilcox, GA  McRae, GA  Telfair, GA  Fort Gillem, GA  Fort Stewart, GA
 Halawa Heights, HI  Barbers Point NAS, HI  Honolulu, HI  Minidoka, ID  Jerome, ID  Clearwater National Forest, ID
 Marseilles, IL  Scott AFB, IL  Chanute AFB, IL  Marion, IL  Greenfield, IL  Dixon Springs, IL  Savanna, IL  Lincoln, IL
 Sheridan, IL  Menard, IL  Pontiac, IL  Galesburg, IL  Kankakee, IL  Indianapolis, IN  Marion, IN  Ft. Benjamin Harrison, IN
 Crown Point, IN  Camp Atterbury, IN  Terre Haute, IN  Fort Wayne, IN  Jasper-Pulaski Wildlife Area, IN  Jefferson, IN
 Newport, IN Hammond, IN  Leavenworth, KS  Concordia, KS  Ft. Riley, KS  El Dorado, KS  Topeka, KS  Ashland, KY
 Louisville, KY  Lexington, KY  Manchester, KY  Ft. Knox, KY  Ft. Polk, LA  Livingston, LA  Oakdale, LA  Houlton, ME
 Ft. Meade, MD  Frederick, MD  Otis AFB, MA  Ft. Devens, MA  Camp Grayling, MI  Sawyer AFB, MI  Bay City, MI  Duluth, MN
 Richards-Gebaur AFB, MO  Ft. Leonard Wood, MO  Malmstrom AFB, MT  Scottsbluff, NE  Elko, NV  Wells, NV  Pershing, NV
 Winnemucca, NV  Nellis AFB, NV  Reno, NV  Lake Francis, NH  Ft. Dix, NJ  McGuire AFB, NJ  Ft. Bliss, TX  Holloman AFB, NM
 Fort Stanton, NM  White Sands, NM  Ft. Drum, NY  Albany, NY  Otisville, NY  Buffalo, NY  Camp Lejeune, NC
 Fort Bragg, NC  Andrews, NC  Minot AFB, ND  Cincinnati, OH  Cleveland, OH  Columbus, OH  Lima, OH  Tinker AFB, OK
 Will Rogers World Airport, OK  El Reno, OK  McAlester, OK  Ft. Sill, OK  Sheridan, OR  Umatilla, OR  Allenwood, PA
 Indiantown Gap, PA  Camp Hill, PA  Schuylkill Haven, PA  Greenville, SC  Charleston, SC  Yankton, SD  Black Hills - Edgemont, SD
 Ft. Campbell, TN  Millington, TN  Crossville, TN  Nashville, TN  Austin, TX  Bastrop, TX  Eden, TX  Ft. Hood, TX  Reese AFB, TX
 Sheppard AFB, TX  Carrollton, TX  Mexia, TX  Amarillo, TX  Beaumont, TX  Ft. Worth, TX  Millard, UT  Ft. Douglas, UT
 Cedar City, UT  Skull Valley Indian Reservation, UT  Fredericksburg, VA  Petersburg, VA  Beckley, WV  Alderson, WV
 Lewisburg, WV  Morgantown, WV  Mill Creek, WV  Kingwood, WV  Seattle, WA  Tacoma, WA  Okanogan County, WA
 Ft. Lewis, WA  McChord AFB, WA  Ft. McCoy, WI   Oxford, WI   Powell, WY   Laramie, WY  Lyman, WY  Yellowstone, WY
If you live near any of these, you might want to check them out, if possible. And hey, let's be CAREFUL out there...
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: Polearm on April 03, 2008, 03:54:15 pm
Gooch, good point.

It reminds me of the difference between the "Price" of something and the "Cost".

The "Price" of something is the immediate set back in material, personnel or money.

The "Cost" is the larger or longer term picture in regards to these items.

In this case, the "Price" of the Google Earth program is free (with the specific caution that you ahve to be wary of the Google Toolbar that wants to parcel itself along).

The "Cost" of using the program is that some computers may not have the ability to run them meaning you may have to make costly upgrades.

Things I will keep in mind.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: crepemyrtle357 on April 03, 2008, 05:07:52 pm
If these camps are truly being built, I wish someone would disclose where they are.

I have heard rumors of these camps since the sixties when I was in high-school. But no published pictures or locations have been forthcoming.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: da gooch on April 03, 2008, 07:03:00 pm
If these camps are truly being built, I wish someone would disclose where they are.

I have heard rumors of these camps since the sixties when I was in high-school. But no published pictures or locations have been forthcoming.


Welcome crepemyrtle357,

May I recommend this Link (http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentration_camp-locations.htm) ?
And may I suggest that you reread this thread through from the beginning as there are many links contained within and some of them have photos, etc.

g
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: crepemyrtle357 on April 03, 2008, 08:46:50 pm
These two links are very informative. A list of the eo's involved and more detailed directions to the locations. The installations seemed to former pow camps and retired military bases, which makes sense, no one would pay much attention to them.

I am assuming the eo's listed are true. I have not checked them out.

http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: nanosprotege on April 12, 2008, 11:44:59 am
My question is.........What does Warren Buffet know that we don't know? I don't think he invested in all these railcars, used by FEMA, which are supposedly not operating for profit currently, because he "really likes trains" as reporters perceive.

Anybody? Or am I off the mark?
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: dogsledder54 on April 12, 2008, 05:45:08 pm
I don't know if he has any darker motives, but my guess is that the price of fuel for trucks will make shipping by rail more common.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: da gooch on April 13, 2008, 10:47:22 am
And "shipping" on real ships as well. For even the little short hops along the coast.
IE: it is already [before the latest oil/fuel cost increases = 2007] cheaper to send a large load of most anything from NYC to Houston on a ship than by trucks.
[1 ship CAN equal 1000 trucks / some bigger some smaller]
Shipping can and does reach as far inland as Minnesota [Great Lakes via St Lawrence Seaway] and the Dakotas [Missouri River via Mississippi River]

"Trains and boats and planes ...." as the song goes except the planes will not be able to compete with the trains and boats.

Got speculative monies available ?
[My Guesstimates ....]
Land
PM's
Alternative Energy Sources Technologies
Desalination Systems
Trains
Ships
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: nanosprotege on April 14, 2008, 10:47:35 am
And "shipping" on real ships as well. For even the little short hops along the coast.
IE: it is already [before the latest oil/fuel cost increases = 2007] cheaper to send a large load of most anything from NYC to Houston on a ship than by trucks.
[1 ship CAN equal 1000 trucks / some bigger some smaller]
Shipping can and does reach as far inland as Minnesota [Great Lakes via St Lawrence Seaway] and the Dakotas [Missouri River via Mississippi River]

"Trains and boats and planes ...." as the song goes except the planes will not be able to compete with the trains and boats.

Got speculative monies available ?
[My Guesstimates ....]
Land
PM's
Alternative Energy Sources Technologies
Desalination Systems
Trains
Ships


Indeed, I agree with you on that. Guess I get a bit wrapped up when it comes to trusting the motives of big business. This all makes perfect sense. Thank you.
Title: Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
Post by: dogsledder54 on April 25, 2008, 10:56:51 am
http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/1055/81/
Operation FALCON and the Looming Police State        EXCERPT:
Written by Mike Whitney     
Monday, 26 February 2007 
by Mike Whitney
On 29th June, 1934, Chancellor Adolph Hitler, accompanied by the Schutzstaffel (SS), arrived at Wiesse, where he personally arrested the leader of the Strum Abteilung (SA), Ernnst Roehm. During the next 24 hours 200 other senior SA officers were arrested on the way to Wiesse. Many were shot as soon as they were captured but Hitler decided to pardon Roehm because of his past service to the movement. However, after much pressure from Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler, Hitler agreed that Roehm should die. At first Hitler insisted that Roehm should be allowed to commit suicide but, when he refused, Roehm was shot by two SS men. (Spartacus.schoolnet.co)

 Later, Hitler delivered a speech at the Reichstag in which he justified the murders of his rivals saying:
"If anyone reproaches me and asks why I did not resort to the regular courts of justice, then all I can say is this: In this hour I was responsible for the fate of the German people, and thereby I became the supreme judge of the German people. It was no secret that this time the revolution would have to be bloody; when we spoke of it we called it 'The Night of the Long Knives.' Everyone must know for all future time that if he raises his hand to strike the State, then certain death is his lot."

The Night of the Long Knives is seen by many as the turning point where Hitler made it clear that he was above the law and the supreme leader of the German people.
Operation Falcon: Blueprint for removing dissidents and political rivals
The Bush administration has carried out three massive sweeps in the last two years, rolling up more than 30,000 minor crooks and criminals, without as much as a whimper of protest from the public.
{shadowboxwtw width=200px,float=right,shadowcolor=f3f3f3,textcolor=000066,echo=yes}So far, not one of the more than 30,000 victims has been charged with a terror-related crime.{/shadowboxwtw}Operation Falcon is the clearest indication yet that the Bush administration is fine-tuning its shock-troops so it can roll up tens of thousands of people at a moment’s notice and toss them into the newly-built Halliburton detention centers. This should be a red flag for anyone who cares at all about human rights, civil liberties, or simply saving his own skin. 
Operation Falcon was allegedly the brainchild of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and his counterpart in the US Marshal's office, (Director) Ben Reyna. But its roots go much deeper into the nexus of right-wing Washington think tanks where fantasies of autocratic government have a long history. The name, Falcon, is an acronym for “Federal and Local Cops Organized Nationally.” It relates to the more than 960 state, local and federal agencies which are directly involved in the administration’s expansive criminal dragnets.
Typically, law enforcement agencies are protective of their own turf and wary of outside intervention. The Falcon program overrides these concerns by streamlining the information-sharing processes and setting up a chain-of-command structure that radiates from the Justice Department. This removes many of the traditional obstacles to agency interface. It also relocates the levers of power in Washington where they can be manned by members of the Bush administration.

Dictatorships require strong centralized authority and the Falcon program is a logical corollary of that ambition. It creates new inroads for Bush to assume greater control over the nationwide police-state apparatus. That alone should be sufficient reason for alarm.
The first Operation Falcon took place during the week of April 4 to April 10, 2005. According to the US Marshal’s official website, “The emphasis centered on gang related crimes, homicides, crimes involving use of a weapon, crimes against children and the elderly, crimes involving sexual assaults, organized crime and drug related fugitives, and other crimes of violence.” More than 10,000 criminal suspects were arrested in a matter of days. It was the largest criminal sweep in the nation’s history and, according to U.S. Marshall chief Ben Reyna, “produced the largest number of arrests ever recorded during a single initiative.” The Washington Times noted, “The sweep was a virtual clearinghouse for warrants on drug, gang, gun and sex-offender suspects nationwide.”
The emphasis was clearly on quantity not quality.

Still, this doesn’t explain why state and federal agencies had to be integrated with local law enforcement simply to carry out routine police work.
More importantly, it doesn’t explain why local police ignored their duty to protect the public just so they could coordinate with outside agencies. According to one report “162 accused or convicted of murder” were picked up in the first sweep. That means that the police knowingly left murderers on the street and put the public at risk while they orchestrated their raids with federal agencies?
That’s irresponsible. It also suggests that there may be a more sinister motive behind the program than just ensuring public safety. The plan appears to have been devised to enhance the powers of the “unitary” executive by putting state and local law enforcement under federal supervision. Once again, it’s an attempt by the administration to extend its grip to the state and local level. We saw a similar strategy unfold after Hurricane Katrina when the Bush administration used the tragedy to seize control of local police and National Guard units so they could establish de facto martial law. Troops, armored vehicles and mercenaries were deployed to New Orleans to fight lawlessness and looting even though desperate people were still stranded on their rooftops waiting for food, water and medical attention.
Operation FALCON II was another massive dragnet which covered the western half of the country and focused primarily on “violent sex offenders”. The raids took place from April 17-23, and succeeded in apprehending 9,037 alleged fugitives. The US Marshals web site boasts that the operation “took some of the country's most dangerous wanted criminals off the streets and made America's communities safer”.
Nonsense. Despite the claims of success, only 462 “violent sex crime” suspects were arrested, along with 1,094 “unregistered sex offenders” and other minor “sex crime” suspects. That leaves 7,481 suspects who were rounded up for other unrelated reasons.
Who are they and what crime did they commit? Were these drug violations, dads who were delinquent on child-support payments, traffic tickets, jay-walking?!?

7,481 people who were incarcerated are unaccounted by the government’s estimate. This means that the bulk of them were probably undocumented workers who were shunted off to the INS (Immigration and Naturalization) or dispatched to Cheney’s tent-city gulags in western Texas. (See: Democracy Now “Human Rights Groups Call for Closure of Texas Jail Holding Undocumented Immigrants” 2-23-07)
Similar inconsistencies appear in “Operation FALCON III, which covered the eastern half of the country from October 22 - 28, 2006.” State, local and federal police-units arrested 10,773 fugitives; including 1,659 sex offenders, 971 unregistered sex offenders, 364 gang members, 140 homicide suspects, and 3,609 drug violations. Once again, the US Marshal’s official tally doesn’t pencil out. This time, 4,030 extra people were rounded up without any further explanation.
Who are they and have they been charged with a crime?
Furthermore, sex offenders, drug users and gang-bangers are not what we normally consider “some of the country's most dangerous wanted criminals”. In fact, there are indications that the great majority of these people are not violent at all. For example, of the 30,110 total fugitives who were apprehended in all three Falcon sweeps, a measly 586 firearms were seized.
Clearly, the people who were arrested for the most part were not “armed and dangerous” nor were they a serious threat to public safety. They were probably just the unwitting victims of an overzealous US Marshals office and an ideologically-driven Justice Department.
So, what was the real impetus for the Falcon raids? Was it just a bean-counting exercise to see how many people would fit in the back of a Paddy-wagon or are they a dress rehearsal for future crackdowns on potential enemies of the state?

Bogus News Reports
The Falcon operation illustrates the incestuous relationship between the media and the state. They are two wings on the same plane. The Justice Department provided the TV networks with official footage of policemen and government agents raiding homes and handcuffing suspects; and the media dutifully aired the video on stations across the country. The scenes were accompanied by a reassuring commentary lauding the administration’s new crime fighting strategies and linking homeland security with the nebulous war on terror.
Attorney General Gonzales told reporters, “Operation FALCON is an excellent example of President Bush’s direction and the Justice Department’s dedication to deal both with the terrorist threat and traditional violent crime.” He added, “This joint effort shows the commitment of our federal, state, and local partners to make our neighborhoods safer, and it has led to the highest number of arrests ever recorded for a single initiative of its kind.”
So far, not one of the more than 30,000 victims has been charged with a terror-related crime.
The media-hype surrounding the raids has been celebratory and uniform; cookie-cutter articles appeared throughout the US press (most of them unsourced) highlighting the cooperation between the divers agencies while providing an upbeat account of what amounts to police repression. Thousands of nearly identical articles appeared in the nation’s newspapers which seem to have been authored by high-ranking officials at Homeland Security and protégés of George Orwell; although the difference between the two is far from certain.
Even stranger, most of the articles in the mainstream media can no longer be retrieved via a Google search. They seem to have vanished into the black-hole of Homeland propaganda.
No matter. If the media was supposed to make Gestapo-like crackdowns look like normal police operations; they succeeded admirably. Mission accomplished.

Former Governor of Louisiana, Huey Long once opined, “When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in an American flag.” Indeed, he could have added that the corporate media will gladly provide the flag and the public relations campaign as they have with Falcon.
Falcon; new drills for a new world order
The Falcon operations can only be understood in the broader context of the ongoing assault on the constitutional system of checks and balances; including the repeal of habeas corpus, warrantless wiretaps and searches, and the use of torture.
For the last 6 years, the Bush administration has been busy dismantling the legal safeguards which protect the citizen from the arbitrary and, oftentimes, ruthless actions of the state. To that end, detention camps are being prepared by Halliburton within the U.S., secret courts have been established which deny due process of law, American citizens are arrested without charge, law enforcement is increasingly militarized, and the media has strengthened its alliance with the central government.
Additionally, in October 2006, George Bush quietly changed the Insurrection Act, which prevented the President from deploying troops inside the United States. Bush’s revision effectively overturns the Posse Comitatus Act which put strict limits on the executive’s power to use US troops in domestic situations. Just days earlier Bush signed a similar bill, "The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" which gives Bush the power to take command of National Guard units across the country which are traditionally under the control of the state governors.
Without fanfare, Bush has taken control of all armed forces and militias inside and outside of the country and now has a monopoly on all the state-sanctioned tools of organized violence. It’s a coup that could never have succeeded without the tacit cooperation of the media.
Bush is now free to declare martial law in response to a natural disaster, a pandemic or a terrorist attack. The congress is powerless to stop him.
Also, Bush recently signed the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which allows the president to arbitrarily declare citizens and non citizens “enemy combatants” and imprison them indefinitely without charge. The new law gives Bush the authority to disregard the Geneva Conventions and the 8th amendment’s ban on “cruel and unusual” punishment and apply “harsh interrogation” which may include torture. The act effectively repeals habeas corpus, the cornerstone of American jurisprudence and the Bill of Rights.


The Military Commissions Act cannot coexist with the US Constitution; the two are mutually exclusive.
The Military Commissions Act, The John Warner Defense Authorization Act, the Homeland Security Act, the Patriot Act, and the myriad presidential signing statements have conferred absolute power on George Bush. The question is whether or not some incident will arise that will persuade Bush to use his extraordinary new powers.
General Tommy Franks predicted that a “massive, casualty producing event” might cause “our population to question our own Constitution and begin to militarize our country;” a scenario that many see as likely now.
Is that it? Will another terrorist attack provide the rationale for overturning republican government and declaring martial law?
If so, then we should know what to expect.
According to FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) it would mean “the suspension of the normal functions of civilian government, implying the cancellation or postponement of state and federal elections.” (Global Research) It would also “close public and government facilities not critical for continuity of essential operations.” (FEMA)
Northern Command would assume control and under “the classified 'Continuity of Government” (COG) Operations Plan' a secret 'shadow government' would become functional, redeploying key staff to secret locations.” (Global Research)
(Article continues)