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Title: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Plinker-MS on November 03, 2006, 11:25:32 am
Whereas George has given permission to Bill St. Clair to repost his writing on the web, and Bill has agreed to do so:

https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=1244.msg147747#msg147747

Tell you what. All y'all post links to stories you DO find, in a new thread or emailed to billstclair at gmail dot com, and I'll collect them at billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/ . Whoever starts the new thread, post a link here.


I am starting this thread to collect the various gems George has scattered across the Net.  Here are a few:

Books
***Buy it Here***
Bad Patterns (http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=24712.0)

Non-Fiction/Autobiographical
micropiece (http://www.sunnimaravillosa.com/rogues/gp/micropiece.html)
Ghost, Part I (http://www.anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=233)
Ghost, Part II (http://www.anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=281)
Stray Dog, Part I (http://www.anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=263)
Stray Dog, Part II (http://www.anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=299)
Requiem For Ozymandias (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=7759.0)
Lullaby (http://www.theswordreview.com/Published/128_Lullaby/128_Lullaby.htm)
"...polite society" (http://anti-state.com/forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=4052)
Pyre (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=13780.0)


Fiction
The Liberators (http://www.sunnimaravillosa.com/rogues/gp/liberators.html)
...And Justice for All. (http://anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=446)
Xangurl (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=10348.0)
Roberta (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/roberta.html)
Untitled Sequel to Roberta (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/roberta-sequel.html)
"....to a gunfight...." (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=5333.0) (screenplay)
Sawhorse (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=5493.0)
God said 'Bang'! (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=5972.0)
Little Man Loved Fire (A Tale Of Jubal Early) (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=5594.0)
Round Eyes (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=11373.0)
Wake (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=4453.0)
Stilled-Life (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=11723.0)
Tessellation (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=12502.0)
Monkey (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=12524.0)
The Tale Of The Worthy Lord: A Fable (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=14821.0)
The Ballad of I Know Damn Right (I) (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/knowdamnright.html)
The Woman Who Hitch Hiked With Cats (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/cats.html)
Coyote Laid Low (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/coyote.html)
Broke Circle (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/broke.html)
Kin (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/kin.html)
In the Hall of Kings, Hungover (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=23492.0)
Four Scenes (From a Sick Culture) (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=23366.0)
The Most Perfect Of All Prayers (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/prayer.html)
Coffee With The Last Man On Earth (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/coffee.html)
The Fantasy Lives Of Those Tiny, Faceless Dancers (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=24980.0)
Succubait (http://markettheocracy.blogsome.com/2011/03/08/succubait/)

Poetry
Our Lady Of Blades (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=10760.msg138045#msg138045)
Odyssey: A Prose Poem (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=8139.0)
One Moment In The Long Cold Night Of The Hyperpower (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=7744.0)
A Meeting With A Friend, Home From War; An Enemy Of The People (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=4488.0)
To Those Left Behind (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=4843.0)
Billy The Kid In Hell (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=5309.0)
House Of Pain (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=5511.0)
Loki (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=5868.0)
In The Circle (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=10641.0)
They Took The Mask Off (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=4312.0)
Unbroken (for Debra) (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=17541.0)
Naiad (An Ode To Laura Dekker) (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=24925.msg316454#msg316454)
Shorn: A Poem (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=28221.0)

Songs
Shelby Valley (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=10615.msg135688#msg135688)
Summer (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=10615.msg135688#msg135688)

Unfinished Masterpieces (Hurry up and finish 'em already, you cruel bastard!)
Roadkilling (Part I) (http://anti-state.com/forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=9649&start=0)
King Of The Road (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=6980.0)
The Laws of Futility (Table of Contents) (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=5528.0)
The Laws of Futility - Chapter One (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=5582.0)
The Laws of Futility (Latest Draft) (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=24439.0)
Trenching (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=4286.0)
The Crumbler: Prologue (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=12553.0)
The Crumbler: Book I - Six Sides (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=12571.0)
The Prettiest Pillwhore In Pike County (A preview.) (http://markettheocracy.blogsome.com/2009/02/27/98/)

Essays and Rants
There Will Be No Revolution (http://billstclair.com/blog/stories/norevolution.html)
Frontierism (http://www.sciforums.com/printthread.php?t=21281)
The Last Argument Of Kings (http://market-theocracy.blogspot.com/2005/09/last-argument-of-kings.html)
Brass Tacks ( or: Where I Stand) (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/brasstacks.html)
Credo (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/credo.html)
A Map of Mankind (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/map.html)
Fidel Wanders Off (http://markettheocracy.blogsome.com/2008/02/21/fidel-wanders-off/)
Choices (A Statement on Abortion) (http://markettheocracy.blogsome.com/2008/08/29/choices-a-statement-on-abortion/)
Lessons (http://markettheocracy.blogsome.com/2008/09/01/lessons/)
Five Questions (With Insufficient Answers) And A Single Shining Maybe (http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/five-questions.html)


Book/Movie/Music Reviews
(right now it is a low priority for me to track down every thread where GP spouts off about something he didn't write, but some of them are unforgettable, like his review of Serenity (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=6842.0))

4 books by Stephen King (http://georgepotter.blogsome.com/2005/10/09/kingly-subjects/)
Howard Who? by Howard Waldrop (http://georgepotter.blogsome.com/2005/09/24/howard-who-by-howard-waldrop/)
Crash (https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=11929.0)
Sin City (http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10780416&postID=111799735762141776)
Achewood (http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10780416&postID=112559648168039164) (web comic)
Cory Doctorow's Little Brother (http://markettheocracy.blogsome.com/2009/04/13/cory-doctorows-little-brother-a-useful-anarchists-cookbook-that-wont-blow-your-hand-off/)
Remembering Kubrick (http://markettheocracy.blogsome.com/2007/10/02/remembering-kubrick/)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Plinker-MS on November 03, 2006, 04:02:34 pm
Whew! 

'Bout damn time somebody did that. 

I'm sure I missed a few things, so y'all don't be shy about posting them here.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 03, 2006, 05:36:31 pm
You guys are the best.

I gotta go cry now.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 07, 2006, 05:33:40 pm

My counterpoint to one of Bush's Katrina speeches:

The Last Argument Of Kings (http://market-theocracy.blogspot.com/2005/09/last-argument-of-kings.html)

I was a little pissed. :P
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Bill St. Clair on November 07, 2006, 08:10:01 pm
Wow, Plinker. That's quite a list! I've started on the Herculean task of getting everything formatted for my weblog. Have a look:

http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/index.html
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 07, 2006, 08:31:19 pm

Plinker & Bill --

Just wanted to say, once again, thank you both for doing this. I know how much time and effort you both put into it. I wasn't kidding about crying the other night. I was moved to tears.

From now on when people who don't get it ask me why I'm giving my writing away, I'll say: "Because the people I give it to appreciate it."

Best,
-G.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 07, 2006, 08:36:39 pm

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Removed for Commercial Reasons
cha-ching!  BTW, Whom do we have to pay to see this stuff now?
Lullaby
Stilled Life

Oops! Failed to see this until now. Actually, I have had rights returned for both now. I'll get you a linkage.

I especially want Lullaby back here. It's one of my favorites.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Plinker-MS on November 07, 2006, 09:34:57 pm
From now on when people who don't get it ask me why I'm giving my writing away, I'll say: "Because the people I give it to appreciate it."

Don't let me stop you from selling your writing.

I, for one, would gladly pay for any book by George Potter - preferably a signed first edition so I will be able to put it on Ebay after you are famous or dead or both.   ^_^

In fact, I was going to list your http://lulu.com book Micropiece, but couldn't find it anymore.


The problem with getting good writing for free is that every time I go to the bookstore or the library, I have to trip over piles of unreadable shit ghost-written for politicians,"celebrities", and other unsavory people.  The only reason I even go to bookstores anymore is so I can dig through the discount pile of recently-obsolete computer books.  Those are darn-near unreadable too, but my profession is such that they are handy to have around sometimes.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Plinker-MS on November 07, 2006, 09:37:49 pm
I especially want Lullaby back here. It's one of my favorites.

Mine, too.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 07, 2006, 10:20:39 pm
From now on when people who don't get it ask me why I'm giving my writing away, I'll say: "Because the people I give it to appreciate it."

Don't let me stop you from selling your writing.

I, for one, would gladly pay for any book by George Potter - preferably a signed first edition so I will be able to put it on Ebay after you are famous or dead or both.   ^_^

The people who stop me from writing for money are editors. LOL. I've had very few summary rejections, but almost all of them want to tinker with the story. "I feel you need to flesh out the relationship between..." stuff. Umm. No. This story is done. I'll correct happily for grammer, vauge language, etc. but the damn story is DONE. I'm writing 3,000 more. Stop making my life hard.

It's not like there's some grand payoff at the end. 5 cents a word is about the best you can hope for. My stories are really short, for the most part. I write so slow that I'd never be able to make a career of it. So...I choose to let the stories be stories and give them to people who appreciate them.

What I might eventually do is have a writing only site and a tip jar. Those who tipped better be aware that sometimes it's a long haul between stories, though. And sometimes the stories go away. I would, of course, expect no tip if no new story material showed up. Hell, I wouldn't even expect a tip anyway. That goes against the very nature of the tip.:P

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In fact, I was going to list your http://lulu.com book Micropiece, but couldn't find it anymore.

I removed it. The (wonderful) lady who did the cover art wanted a new version put in place (actually, what she considered a finished version) and it failed every time I tried to upload it. Lulu tech support was unresponsive. I've tried a few other times to upload it and failed. What I'll probaly do is redesign it, expand it, and do her cover art up from a new account. I'll keep you posted.


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The problem with getting good writing for free is that every time I go to the bookstore or the library, I have to trip over piles of unreadable shit ghost-written for politicians,"celebrities", and other unsavory people.  The only reason I even go to bookstores anymore is so I can dig through the discount pile of recently-obsolete computer books.  Those are darn-near unreadable too, but my profession is such that they are handy to have around sometimes.

Yeah, the sheer VOLUME of crap is overwhelming. I've been reading since I was four. I was reading 'adult' books by the time I was seven. My choice pattern for literature is (to my mind) ancient and well oiled. I go to my sections and sometimes wander into other sections. Once chosen, a novel has 100 pages to interest me, or I close it.

A short story has 1 page to interest me, or I skip ahead.

I'm much more hardass about short stories.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Bill St. Clair on November 08, 2006, 07:49:49 am
I finished the fiction section in Plinker-MS' thread-originating post (except for the new one, "Wake"), created a category to make browsing easy, put a link in the left-column navigation section, and posted a blog entry inroducting it at http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad.html . Still lots to do...
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: debra on November 08, 2006, 09:10:19 am
Heh, this takes me back. I did the exact same thing with Claire's works .... which is how TCF came to be. :)

Thanks Bill -- it'll be great having all of George's stuff in one place.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: TDamned on November 17, 2006, 08:32:25 pm
A friend of mine gave me a well worn "book" by George Potter containing some of the stories listed - I believe it was printed off Lulu but am not sure. It had been passed around a lot and continues to be passed around to this day. I am in awe of his writing - of your writing George - it has had a lot of impact on people out there, many more than you could ever know.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 18, 2006, 11:00:14 am

Thank you for that. It's the most important thing in the world to me.

To this day, I can log onto various email accounts and find a letter from some godforsaken hole in the wall place in the world like Angola or Tibet or the heart of China. Broken english trying to tell me I moved them.

Once this chinese guy ripped into me for daring to insult America. I felt massive sympathy towards him. To him, America was the dream. I told him:

"I live here, but I want it to be better."

That guy risked death just to contact me and bitch at me for impugning his ideal. His story of a better world. Over my story of a better world.

Think what you want. That gives me hope.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: TDamned on November 18, 2006, 11:41:15 am

Thank you for that. It's the most important thing in the world to me.

To this day, I can log onto various email accounts and find a letter from some godforsaken hole in the wall place in the world like Angola or Tibet or the heart of China. Broken english trying to tell me I moved them.

Once this chinese guy ripped into me for daring to insult America. I felt massive sympathy towards him. To him, America was the dream. I told him:

"I live here, but I want it to be better."

That guy risked death just to contact me and bitch at me for impugning his ideal. His story of a better world. Over my story of a better world.

Think what you want. That gives me hope.


You are one of the new pamphleteers...providing a different way of thinking to the individual instead of their pre-packaged, easily digested, danger-removed indoctrination information.

Good luck on your path
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 18, 2006, 02:31:55 pm
Lullaby (http://www.theswordreview.com/Published/128_Lullaby/128_Lullaby.htm)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Bill St. Clair on November 19, 2006, 06:24:51 am
Lullaby (http://www.theswordreview.com/Published/128_Lullaby/128_Lullaby.htm)

Wow, George. I sobbed. Thank you.

Posted two more:

http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/wake.html
http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/lullaby.html
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on November 19, 2006, 07:24:26 am
Damn, George -- you are headed down Glory Road!

I've read several of your stories now (and still working on the rest), and you're as good as -- maybe better than -- O. Henry (which is saying a lot, being a fan of O. Henry as I am). Each in their own way -- touching, gritty, sad -- are all realistic, but not giving up, not compromising; the stuff of what makes a human so great.

Isn't there ANY way to put these in a book of short stories? You put some together and I'll try to publish them into book form.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 19, 2006, 12:04:08 pm
Damn, George -- you are headed down Glory Road!

I've read several of your stories now (and still working on the rest), and you're as good as -- maybe better than -- O. Henry (which is saying a lot, being a fan of O. Henry as I am). Each in their own way -- touching, gritty, sad -- are all realistic, but not giving up, not compromising; the stuff of what makes a human so great.

Isn't there ANY way to put these in a book of short stories? You put some together and I'll try to publish them into book form.

I could (thanks to Bill and Plinker, who did all the work) put them easily into a lulu book. I'd be willing to do so to raise money for TCF or Bill's blog.

What I can't do is charge money for stories I gave away freely, with massive joy.

My stories are my joy in life. The only payment I've ever desired is comments like yours. I'm not O. Henry. But O. Henry wasn't Fred Brown. This shit works out in the wash. :P

I can't put a price on joy. I'd rather just share it free.

But if we can put a few bucks towards Claire/Deb/Bill (the sites we love) I'm down for that. :)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on November 19, 2006, 01:04:28 pm
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I could (thanks to Bill and Plinker, who did all the work) put them easily into a lulu book. I'd be willing to do so to raise money for TCF or Bill's blog. .... But if we can put a few bucks towards Claire/Deb/Bill (the sites we love) I'm down for that.

So am I!
Do you want them all in the book, or selected stories? Do you/Bill/Plinker have any particular order you want them in? I can start doing page layout now. (Will have to back off when the cookbook recipes begin to come in, however; that takes priority right now.)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 19, 2006, 02:07:22 pm

Do it, Pagan.

All I ask is that you make it purty. :)

And any money goes to TCF and Bill.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Claire on November 19, 2006, 02:29:51 pm
George it breaks my heart that you can't or won't make money on your stories. I know, it doesn't break your heart, and that's a blessing -- as long as you get plenty of joy in payment for your creations.

If you don't want the proceeds from a lulu book, then this time let them go to Bill and/or Plinker who did all the work to collect and post them. I'm grateful for any donations to TCF. But in this case, the "payoff" to me (and I'm sure to Debra) is merely having your work here.

Pagan, you began a lovely project that you sent me via snail. You know the one I mean. Much as I like what you did (and I do like it), I say put George's project first.

George is quite simply one of the greatest short-story writers alive in the country today, in any genre, and his work deserves to be seen.

George, all I want from you is an autographed copy.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on November 19, 2006, 02:52:04 pm
Gloryroad:
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All I ask is that you make it purty.


"Purty", it shall be.

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And any money goes to TCF and Bill.

ABSOLUTELY.

 
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Claire on November 19, 2006, 04:31:24 pm
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And any money goes to TCF and Bill.

ABSOLUTELY. 

I feel I might have been remiss above in not also suggesting that perhaps some share of any lulu book go to Pagan for her layout.

I hope you won't take it amiss, George (or anybody else) that I'm divvying up your profits! It's just that if I had my way, gold coin would be showered down abundantly on the whole damn bunch of you.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 19, 2006, 07:56:41 pm
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And any money goes to TCF and Bill.

ABSOLUTELY. 

I feel I might have been remiss above in not also suggesting that perhaps some share of any lulu book go to Pagan for her layout.

I hope you won't take it amiss, George (or anybody else) that I'm divvying up your profits! It's just that if I had my way, gold coin would be showered down abundantly on the whole damn bunch of you.

Pagan is more than welcome to a share. In fact I hereby give Pagan dictatorial control over all non-story related aspects of the as yet untitled George Potter project. I reserve the right to name the damn thing and the cover art has to be my friend K's. My little brother wants to draw a frontspiece. If anyone here would like to contribute a piece of art or anyting, feel free to chime in.

Clare, what I want to know is....you feel like writing that introduction?
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on November 19, 2006, 08:38:46 pm

No, no,no. Let's not get carried away here.

1) I don't want dictatorial control over anything. Like Claire, I just think it should be put together for others to read, and I'm willing to do what I can.

2) I don't want any compensation for this. (Well, I wouldn't mind a few rounds of 145 gr. .357's for any future need of mine. :-)) Any income from the sale should be used as originally agreed upon.

3) You should name the book (after all, it's your book), and one and all should have a hand as you so stipulate. That's between you and them.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Claire on November 19, 2006, 08:46:16 pm

Clare, what I want to know is....you feel like writing that introduction?

Hell yes! It would be my privilege and pleasure.

In fact, I already drafted an introduction more than a year ago. (Remember that?) I'll be glad to do it aagin. Any old time.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on November 25, 2006, 01:59:51 pm
BTW George, I can't find the link to "Stilled Life". You did say you had the rights to it now -- correct?
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 25, 2006, 02:17:23 pm
BTW George, I can't find the link to "Stilled Life". You did say you had the rights to it now -- correct?

Yep, but it may not be archived. I'll dig around on my old drives. I can't remember which one it's one. :D
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 26, 2006, 12:38:35 pm
BTW George, I can't find the link to "Stilled Life". You did say you had the rights to it now -- correct?

Found it.

Stilled Life (https://erte.hmdnsgroup.com/~tcftalk/clairefiles/index.php?topic=11723.0)

Sorry about the submission format. :P
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: TDamned on November 26, 2006, 12:45:36 pm
What about the essay about Frontierism?

This was one of the places that I was able to find it...

http://www.sciforums.com/printthread.php?t=21281
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on November 26, 2006, 03:06:53 pm
Gloryroad:
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Found it.

Thanks. The format's no problem. Do you know the original date you wrote it?

TDamned:
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What about the essay about Frontierism?

This was one of the places that I was able to find it...

http://www.sciforums.com/printthread.php?t=21281

Thanks, TD.

George, do you want "Frontierism" included, too? It is, in a sense, a more formal explanation of "There Will Never Be A Revolution".

Do you have any other gems hiding around? (But that was Plinker's original request, wasn't it?)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: TDamned on November 26, 2006, 03:11:58 pm
Gloryroad:
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Found it.

Thanks. The format's no problem. Do you know the original date you wrote it?

TDamned:
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What about the essay about Frontierism?

This was one of the places that I was able to find it...

http://www.sciforums.com/printthread.php?t=21281

Thanks, TD.

George, do you want "Frontierism" included, too? It is, in a sense, a more formal explanation of "There Will Never Be A Revolution".

Do you have any other gems hiding around? (But that was Plinker's original request, wasn't it?)

I wonder if any of the stuff George had on Anti-State is still there? There were some Sestinas (is that spelled right? - it is a form of poetry) and other works over there that I didn't see on the list that Plinker had put together. If George saved them or someone else then maybe that would be another treasure trove of "unpublished" Potter.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on November 26, 2006, 04:01:06 pm
Ghost, I & II, Stray Dog, I & II, and ...and Justice for all are all I can find there when I asked for Author.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: TDamned on November 26, 2006, 04:03:55 pm
Ghost, I & II, Stray Dog, I & II, and ...and Justice for all are all I can find there when I asked for Author.


Bummer, I remember so much more...damn!
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Plinker-MS on November 27, 2006, 02:04:29 pm
Just a note to say that I have emerged from a turkey-induced stupor to add Lullaby, Stilled-Life, There Will Be No Revolution, and Frontierism to the first post on this thread.  I have also started to add a couple book/movie reviews.

I am especially, umm, thankful, that Claire's Thankfulness (http://www.clairewolfe.com/wolfesblog/00002307.html) was the first thing I saw on the web when I came out of turkey-hibernation. 

I am also encouraged by the talk of publishing George's works in Dead-Tree Format, or at least PDF.  If such a project comes to fruition, the only compensation I am willing to accept is a signed "first-edition" copy of the book.  (OK, maybe 2 or 3 or 4 copies so I can share the luv, but that's it -- you can only exploit starving-artist types so much while they are still alive.)

Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 28, 2006, 12:20:25 pm
Pagan --

I need to know the size and file format you'll need for the cover art, front and back.

As to "Frontierism" (which is basically contained in the later 'There Will Be No Revolution') and some of the other bits and pieces that aren't poems, stories, essays, etc. How about a section in the back called 'Eratta' or something?

I have written a dedication, acknowledgments and picked a quote to slap at the beginning. I'm working on brief notes for each of the longer pieces -- where they came from and why I wrote them type stuff.

Plinker --

I can promise you one free signed copy. If you want more signed you can buy 'em and send 'em to me. I'm poor. :P

Also, I'd be willing to sign any copy of the book that is mailed to me with return postage, if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on November 28, 2006, 02:38:57 pm
Gloryroad:
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Pagan --

I need to know the size and file format you'll need for the cover art, front and back.

As to "Frontierism" (which is basically contained in the later 'There Will Be No Revolution') and some of the other bits and pieces that aren't poems, stories, essays, etc. How about a section in the back called 'Eratta' or something?

I have written a dedication, acknowledgments and picked a quote to slap at the beginning. I'm working on brief notes for each of the longer pieces -- where they came from and why I wrote them type stuff.

Well, I'm not sure yet about the size -- depends on how much you're putting in; I could make it a neat-looking, coffee-table size book in 8.5 x 11 if you give me enough pages.
The format will probably be in Adobe InDesign (my son got it at discount and is giving it to me for an early B'Day present.) I'm going to be learning it in the next few weeks, and will be using it for the cookbook anyway. Right now, Word is doing a great job on your book. 

What "bits and pieces" are you talking about? If you mean the "unfinished" stuff (do you still want those left out?), it should hardly be called "Errata" -- more like... "To Be Continued". If you're talking about some other bits we haven't seen yet, that's different. There's no problem with a separate section -- I had that for the Unfinished stories anyway; I can change the name to suit.

If you're going to have notes, I need to know how long they'll be, and after which pieces.

One suggestion, if I may: don't write too much; the charm and impact of your stories are better left unexplained. Fiction especially is better left to the imagination; and the non-fiction, too, is nobody's business but your own.
Am not sure how other writers here feel about that; perhaps they would give their opinion, one way or the other. 
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 28, 2006, 05:03:00 pm


Well, I'm not sure yet about the size -- depends on how much you're putting in; I could make it a neat-looking, coffee-table size book in 8.5 x 11 if you give me enough pages.
The format will probably be in Adobe InDesign (my son got it at discount and is giving it to me for an early B'Day present.) I'm going to be learning it in the next few weeks, and will be using it for the cookbook anyway. Right now, Word is doing a great job on your book. 

Oh. I assumed you already had a size in mind, and by format, I was referring to image file format. Should have been clearer. As I already said, size, format, layout, etc. is up to you. I figured the least I could give you for your hard work was artistic freedom. :)  Go nuts.

The reason I need to know (there's no hurry) is that the lady who did the cover art needs to know what file type and resolution she needs to send me. That's all.

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What "bits and pieces" are you talking about? If you mean the "unfinished" stuff (do you still want those left out?), it should hardly be called "Errata" -- more like... "To Be Continued". If you're talking about some other bits we haven't seen yet, that's different. There's no problem with a separate section -- I had that for the Unfinished stories anyway; I can change the name to suit.

Even though it will knock the size down, I think the unfinished stories should stay out. I think they'll annoy the reader. (Sure got me lots of annoyed emails on the 'net. ;P).

I could start a poll, though. Since the people most likely to buy this thing are TCF members, a poll would show if said readers feel the same way.

By errata I mean bits and pieces that I've saved from various forums over the years, like the "Frontierism" piece, and a few flash fiction stories from a weird collaborative writing thread on ASC called 2064. Couple rants like 'The Last Argument Of Kings'. Stuff like that.

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If you're going to have notes, I need to know how long they'll be, and after which pieces.

I had in mind a couple pages at the very end.

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One suggestion, if I may: don't write too much; the charm and impact of your stories are better left unexplained. Fiction especially is better left to the imagination; and the non-fiction, too, is nobody's business but your own.

I don't think I could explain my stories if I tried. I meant more like "This story was inspired by..." or my own opinion of how well it worked. And by brief I mean brief, like 30-50 words each. For the non-fiction, it was actually the first stuff I ever sat down and wrote for an audience, and I'd like to talk a bit about how that felt. Most of the poetry is from my tradition of writing a Memorial Day poem, and I'd like to mention that.


Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on November 28, 2006, 07:23:11 pm
OK, I had to think about this and make decisions.
Much as I like the larger book, I think 6 x 9 page size will be perfect; some sizes are better for fiction, some for non-fiction -- 6 x 9 will cover both.
Book cover size made to accommodate that.

Image file format: TIF

Printer Resolution: 600 DPI

I like the idea of the extra stuff. Still don't think it should be called "Errata" though; maybe... "Bits n' Pieces". But that's your call.

Notes at the end will be good.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Claire on November 28, 2006, 09:59:43 pm
Pagan (and George),

Just let me know when you need that intro. George already has a draft intro I wrote for him a year or so ago. But I need to re-write that, customizing it according to the specific pieces that will appear in the book.

At some point, if you can give me an index and a couple of weeks notice, I'll get on the writing. But I'll wait until I hear from you before I begin.

Okay?
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 28, 2006, 10:31:16 pm

Pagan --

Thanks for the info, and all sounds good. How bout 'Apocrypha'?  ^_^

People, feel free to suggest something.

I'll try to get you everything you need from me by Friday. You can send Claire an index and say 'Go!' when you're ready.

Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Claire on November 28, 2006, 11:09:26 pm
At some point, if you can give me an index and a couple of weeks notice, I'll get on the writing. But I'll wait until I hear from you before I begin.

I shoulda said "table of contents." No, I really don't expect anybody to create an index of every key word in every one of George's stories ...
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 28, 2006, 11:11:18 pm
At some point, if you can give me an index and a couple of weeks notice, I'll get on the writing. But I'll wait until I hear from you before I begin.

I shoulda said "table of contents." No, I really don't expect anybody to create an index of every key word in every one of George's stories ...

LOL! I knew whatcha meant.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on November 29, 2006, 03:33:49 am
Claire:
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I shoulda said "table of contents." No, I really don't expect anybody to create an index of every key word in every one of George's stories ...

I understood too. (But an Index of 4-letter words might be appropriate -- so parents can know to keep the kiddies away from his book. :-) )

I'm ready now for the Introduction; the page is set up. I'll PM the list forthwith; but he's going to add a few things, so you'll have to get those from George.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: cowardly lion on November 29, 2006, 06:20:24 am
Came to this thread late, but I'm interested in a copy.

How about Unfinished Business . . .  for the odds 'n' ends bit?

cl
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Claire on November 29, 2006, 08:06:40 am
I like that. Very descriptive.

But I must admit I got a big chuckle out of "Apocrypha."
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: henshawe on November 29, 2006, 12:22:44 pm
G'Day All,

I have been holding my breath over this project coming to fruition. You know the hearding cats thing  :laugh: As this looks like the real deal I must shout HOT DAMN. BRO, I am absolutly jazzed, stoked, giddy etc THAT this book will soon be available. Way to go George, Pagan, MS, BsC and Claire.

I want 4 copies, all signed, 1 for me and the rest for my Grand-Kids, if the final product is not to spendy I most probably want more.

WAY TO GO Y'ALL

Regards,

Americus
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on November 29, 2006, 10:18:59 pm
G'Day All,

I have been holding my breath over this project coming to fruition. You know the hearding cats thing  :laugh: As this looks like the real deal I must shout HOT DAMN. BRO, I am absolutly jazzed, stoked, giddy etc THAT this book will soon be available. Way to go George, Pagan, MS, BsC and Claire.

I want 4 copies, all signed, 1 for me and the rest for my Grand-Kids, if the final product is not to spendy I most probably want more.

WAY TO GO Y'ALL

Regards,

Americus

Sometimes you can have a crapass day and come home thinking 'Is this shit worth it?"

Then pop on here and find a message like this.

Yeah. Well worth it.

Thanks, bro. :)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 02, 2006, 11:21:01 am

After some hand wringing I've decided not to wait until I'm finished with TWWHWC. Instead, I'll compile my list of "Apocrapha" and send it to Claire and Pagan tonight, along with the other material they'll need.

Let's try to get this out before Xmas. :)

Still hoping to post the rest of TWWHWC before the one year aniversarry of my original deadline. It's looking to be a short novel, around 30,000 words. Almost everything I'm writing lately is tending towards that length. Trenching, King Of The Road and The Ballad Of I Know Damn Right.

I have this idea to release the long stories in well designed, illustrated lulu editions. If my brother ever finishes his Roberta painting, I'll do that one. I have a weird idea about expanding it, based on the imaginary "index" and notes of Time Enough For Love. :P

Claire's quiet disappointment in me not making money for my writing is starting to get to me. This is a sort of painless way to test the water. If I could do one a month, that would be a lovely little chunk of supplemental income. :)

If anyone has any ideas about this (I myself plan on experimenting and using it as a learning experience), feel free to throw 'em on the table.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: ShortyDawkins on December 02, 2006, 11:26:19 am
Put me on the list to buy anything you publish, glory!

Shorty
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 02, 2006, 01:01:35 pm
Gloryroad:
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Let's try to get this out before Xmas.

If anyone has any ideas about this (I myself plan on experimenting and using it as a learning experience), feel free to throw 'em on the table.

Before Xmas!!! You were smiling, so I hope you're kidding about this...

Claire has other things to write, and I have a job and some holiday plans (including two upcoming B'days, a new printer to set up, and website to start -- which is moving slow at the moment due to circumstances beyond everyone's control).

Are you not planning to put in any long story? I was really hoping you would finish TWWHWC. If not that, then King of the Road. I think one long story (either of them) would swing the interest your way for longer books to follow. Even if this first book didn't sell well at first (except at TCF), the others (novels?) should bring sales around to it later so it could be re-published on a larger scale.

While I'm moving fast on the typesetting at present, the whole book project -- printing and binding, etc -- will take longer.
(BTW, I plan to submit a copy to my local bookstore when it's finished. Ownership has recently changed hands, I know the couple who bought it, and will be talking to them soon anyway. He runs the local ISP, and she runs the bookstore.)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 04, 2006, 11:05:31 am

I'm in absolutely no hurry, folks.

As I said, I hope to have TWWHWC (what a clunky acronym!) done by the 21st of this month. I also want to include the essay A Map of Mankind (my hillbilly anarchist social theory :P)and another short story.

Bleh. Was supposed to leave for MS on Saturday only to run into a rather catastrophic change of plans. I'm beginning to think a certain large part of me likes living on the ragged edge of chance.

I've said from the beginning that this isn't really my project. I'm doing none of the heavy lifting. I was mostly just trying to get what you needed from me in a timely fashion.

Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Claire on December 04, 2006, 12:34:37 pm
I've said from the beginning that this isn't really my project. I'm doing none of the heavy lifting.

Yeah, what a slacker. What a bum! What the hell did you ever do on this project besides write all those stories, essays, and poems?

 :laugh:  :rolleyes:  :laugh:

P.S. I'm sorry to hear about your catastrophe, whatever it may be. Hope you make it to MS in time for a warm happy Christmas.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 05, 2006, 02:04:48 pm

 Cover Art by Madame Axe  (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/doorintosummer/coverart.jpg)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 05, 2006, 02:57:34 pm
AB-SO-LUTE-LY BEAUTIFUL!!

micropiece is the first piece written -- and what is more fitting!

Does Madame Axe have anything for the back cover? She does great work.

May we use Odyssey's explanation (that you gave to Claire) as a "Prologue" for the book, as John DeWitt suggested in the Odyssey thread -- or even put it on the back cover to pique everybody's curiosity? (It really should not be left out, George.)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 05, 2006, 03:23:06 pm
AB-SO-LUTE-LY BEAUTIFUL!!

micropiece is the first piece written -- and what is more fitting!

Does Madame Axe have anything for the back cover? She does great work.

Yes, she has a back cover. She put this up so I could choose between three versions of the title/subtitle. She'll send me the full sized art when she's totally happy with it.

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May we use Odyssey's explanation (that you gave to Claire) as a "Prologue" for the book, as John DeWitt suggested in the Odyssey thread -- or even put it on the back cover to pique everybody's curiosity? (It really should not be left out, George.)

John's idea is good. Run with it. :)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Dare2BFree on December 05, 2006, 04:01:36 pm

 Cover Art by Madame Axe  (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/doorintosummer/coverart.jpg)

I love it - perfect fit for this as Pagan said!
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 05, 2006, 04:12:22 pm
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John's idea is good. Run with it.

Yes!! Thank you.
One Prologue page coming up...
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Claire on December 05, 2006, 07:41:05 pm
Wonderful cover art. That's the most stark & mysterious looking gas station I've seen in a long time. Kudos to Madame Axe.

"Symbols Flow" struck me at first as a very strange title. Then it struck me as just strange enough to attract the inquiring mind.

Introduction to come by this weekend. Pagan and George, you both tell me whether it's acceptible. I'll be glad to edit until it's right.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 06, 2006, 05:16:59 am
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Wonderful cover art. That's the most stark & mysterious looking gas station I've seen in a long time. Kudos to Madame Axe.

Actually it’s pretty friendly.

When I’ve traveled East-to-West or West-to-East in the past, I always loved to get up about 3 a.m. and hit the road for 3-4 hrs before I stopped for breakfast. Those lights, large or small, were a cheery “Hello” in the middle of the dark. If I stopped, the truckers were always nice and helpful, passing on info re: an upcoming speed trap, rock slide or detour ahead. They invariably blew their horns in greeting on the road, or waved if you caught their eye when it was light enough to see each other.

This artwork shows dawn starting to break, and that’s just how it looked and felt many mornings. It’s the most beautiful time of the day for me; I think it anticipates the best the world has to offer.

Enough of that... back to reality. :-(
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 06, 2006, 11:07:21 am
 Back cover art by Madame Axe. (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/doorintosummer/symflow-back.jpg)

Claire:

I agonized a bit over a title. I decided that the one thread that does run through my stories is the symbolflow in various forms. The eternal now of Round Eyes and the 'frozen moment' from Stilled Life. Hyperconnection in Roberta. The market in micropiece. The dream world of Lullaby.  All are about viewing the world and its systems as symbols. Even the woman in Wake functions as a symbol, and effects the others on a symbolic level. (A notable exception is The Liberators. That's ok. It is a symbol, a metaphor - so are most of the poems and songs.)

And what do symbols do? Among the human race symbols flow.

:)

**EDITED TO FIX ART LINK**
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 06, 2006, 11:17:09 am

Pagan --

Do you need the tiff graphics in PC or Mac format?
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 06, 2006, 12:08:56 pm
I'll be using PC.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 06, 2006, 12:32:13 pm
I'll be using PC.

Relayed  :)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 06, 2006, 01:26:40 pm


Thanks. The format's no problem. Do you know the original date you wrote it?

You know, for a guy who prides himself on his reading skills, I've missed a lot of stuff in this thread. Just saw this and checked the file properties:

August 10, 2005.


Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 06, 2006, 03:13:40 pm
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August 10, 2005.

Thanks for the date.
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I just saw the back cover. You know, George, the covers (both of them together) are going to use an awful lot of ink -- which raises the expense, I think.

The front cover is beautiful and intriguing, and people will stop to look; but somewhere on the outside should explain something about this writing: who you are, why this was written, and/or why it should be read. Even one blurb from some reviewer would help. Claire? John? Anyone want to write a review?

A “Collected Works” usually belongs to someone the reading public knows -- but they don’t know you. They might ask: “Why should I read George Potter? I never heard of him.”  They will for sure pick up the book and look through it -- but will they buy it?
I guess what I’m asking is, Where is this book going to end up? We (TCF) will buy it, but if even one copy gets out into the public, it’ll need some PR. The only promotion at this time is the book itself. I think some commentary should be on the back cover.

Anybody else want to input?
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 06, 2006, 03:46:12 pm

Are we using lulu?

From lulu's faq:

Will I get a discount if my cover is black & white instead of color?

No. The cost of a full-color cover is included in the production cost of all books. You may make your cover black & white if you like, but your book will not be discounted.


I think the cover price is set.

Hmmm. I'd really hate to mar MA's back cover art with text. Can anyone think of a compromise?

Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: henshawe on December 06, 2006, 04:16:29 pm
G'Day All,

Would a Short review and vita on George an the inside of the back cover work? Maybe on the inside of the front cover? or both? I'm assuming the text would be on white background?

I duh know, don't know much about the publishing insider stuff.

Regards,

Americus
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Dare2BFree on December 06, 2006, 04:17:55 pm
I"ve also seen reviews on the first few pages of a book - before the title page.  That may be an option as well.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 06, 2006, 04:38:29 pm
I"ve also seen reviews on the first few pages of a book - before the title page.  That may be an option as well.

This might be the best idea. I really am loath to mar the beautiful collage on the back cover.

Something like:


"*excerpt from Claire's intro*"
-- Claire Wolfe, author of RebelFire and
The Freedom Outlaws Handbook

"That damn Potter. All us kids hate him."
--Joel Simon, author of Walt's Gulch
and The Scroll Of Jeremiah

"At least he's not a penguin."
-- P.S. Me, author of Tactical Dance Moves

What if ordinary men decided to act like a government?
 What if a woman refused to allow society to control her self opinion?
 What if time stopped for the least likely person in the world?
 What if a famous pulp fiction writer woke up in a strange body and a stranger future?
 What if the universe itself had a plan for all of us?
 What if a low-paying job opened a window on the world?

What if?

Why not?
[/b]


We could have a blurb writing contest! :D
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Dare2BFree on December 06, 2006, 04:41:05 pm
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"At least he's not a penguin."
-- P.S. Me, author of Tactical Dance Moves

That's beautiful  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Joel on December 06, 2006, 04:42:41 pm
I've dealt with lulu on several occasions.  The amount of color on the covers does not affect the price.  All covers are full-color.

As far as I know, there's no way to put text on the insides of the covers, so it would have to be additional pages.

Did George (I love Robert Heinlein) Potter just call Heinlein a "pulp fiction writer"???

My blurb would have to be something along the lines of "He thinks he's so fucking cool, just because he's the best living short-story writer on the planet."
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 06, 2006, 04:43:18 pm
As to 'collected works' it was the least clumsy thing I could think of. "The stories, essays, poems and other material of George Potter" doesn't really roll off the tounge. "Crap by George Potter" might work, but I'm not that self effacing. :P

Once again, suggestions welcome.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 06, 2006, 04:46:43 pm

Did George (I love Robert Heinlein) Potter just call Heinlein a "pulp fiction writer"???

As Robert Heinlein did till the day he died.  :mellow:

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My blurb would have to be something along the lines of "He thinks he's so fucking cool, just because he's the best living short-story writer on the planet."

Sometimes I think you guys are insane.

Actually, J. -- a simplification of your hilarious Roberta intro might work well.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Joel on December 06, 2006, 04:48:43 pm
Actually, J. -- a simplification of your hilarious Roberta intro might work well.

I considered that, but there are too many references to some guy named DeWitt.  I don't know.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 06, 2006, 05:03:06 pm

Other people who would probably write blurbs for me:

Sunni Maravillosa (I think we all know Sunni. :) )

Bob Murphy (Of LRC and Mises Institute, author of Chaos Theory and Minerva)

Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 06, 2006, 06:40:47 pm
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As to 'collected works' it was the least clumsy thing I could think of.

Actually I like "Collected Works" (that's what it is, after all), I just wasn't sure how it would go over with people who don't know you.

I think the "what if"'s should definitely go in there.

Dare:
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I"ve also seen reviews on the first few pages of a book - before the title page.  That may be an option as well.

John DeWitt:
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As far as I know, there's no way to put text on the insides of the covers, so it would have to be additional pages.

I've seen text on the inside of a paperback cover, but not a hardback.
Additional pages sound good to me too. (But two pages, right and left side, are sufficient, including the "what if".) Don't think Claire's Intro should be a part of it.

OK, I can see where this would work with the two covers as Madame Axe did them. Forget the other stuff I said.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 07, 2006, 02:56:18 pm
The "What if" segment on the PR page preceding the Title page, is perfect -- the sort of thing that would go on the back cover. It's all that's needed to "explain" the book (not that it explains anything).

Now -- Which/whose "reviews" do you want? They should be fairly short, or I can take excerpts from them to fit the pages. Let me know and I'll contact them (or if they're here at TCF, they can just submit here, or PM me). There's room for several if they're not too long.

BTW, do you want the book/movie/music reviews in the book?
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 07, 2006, 03:07:24 pm
The "What if" segment on the PR page preceding the Title page, is perfect -- the sort of thing that would go on the back cover. It's all that's needed to "explain" the book (not that it explains anything).

Now -- Which/whose "reviews" do you want? They should be fairly short, or I can take excerpts from them to fit the pages. Let me know and I'll contact them (or if they're here at TCF, they can just submit here, or PM me). There's room for several if they're not too long.

Sunni agreed. Bob is emailed. I'd like one from Joel.

Cat Farmer maybe? She has complimented my stuff in e-mail a few times. She might be amenable to blurb writin'.

I'll give it some more thought.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Astoria on December 07, 2006, 03:30:33 pm
I could shrink the back cover graphic and put a blurb or two underneath it; let me know what you decide (and thanks for the compliments re the covers)
Regards,
~A  (f.k.a. MA)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 07, 2006, 03:44:42 pm
I could shrink the back cover graphic and put a blurb or two underneath it; let me know what you decide (and thanks for the compliments re the covers)
Regards,
~A  (f.k.a. MA)

You'll always be MadameAxe to me.  :wub:
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Joel on December 07, 2006, 05:19:06 pm
Who's this lovely lady who takes such beautiful photos and has been with TCF so long, but who posts so seldom?  I'm hurt!  Hurt!

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I'd like one from Joel.

You've got it.  Gimme a day or two and I'll PM you.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Astoria on December 07, 2006, 08:11:09 pm
Who's this lovely lady who takes such beautiful photos and has been with TCF so long, but who posts so seldom?  I'm hurt!  Hurt!
Aw, shucks.  (blush)

Mostly I am busy at my own place (http://www.the-boondocks.org/forum), and with my kids.  When I have time to visit other places I usually just :lurk:

Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 11, 2006, 11:57:27 am

Oops! No "...polite society." I'll track it down. :)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 11, 2006, 12:09:11 pm
"...polite society" (http://anti-state.com/forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=4052)

Pretty amusing little thread. I don't take well to being called a liar.

Also, my 'alternate ending' could go in 'Apocrypha'. :P

Oh, and there never was a part 2. I decided it stood well on its own.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 11, 2006, 04:55:47 pm
Nice... I like it. I've added it to the book.
The TOC is getting too long for one page.  :-)

BTW, have you got any Notes, Apocrypha, or other pieces noone else can find that you want to send this way? I'm not sure which unfinished pieces you want to add -- or are you editing them?

P.S: Do you want "micropiece" to remain in lower case, or with a capital M?
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Bill St. Clair on December 11, 2006, 05:14:13 pm
Nice story, George. Part 2 appears to have gone into the great bit bucket in the sky. :(
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 11, 2006, 08:42:45 pm
Nice... I like it. I've added it to the book.
The TOC is getting too long for one page.  :-)

BTW, have you got any Notes, Apocrypha, or other pieces noone else can find that you want to send this way? I'm not sure which unfinished pieces you want to add -- or are you editing them?

I'm gathering and editing into a single document. It will contain:

Dedication
Epigraph
Acknowledgments
Apocrypha
(The Last Argument Of Kings, Seasons Change, Hex, Transitory State, Letter To A Girlfriend In Prison, Korpsehandler, Smokey Wept, Fixture, Memorium, Phantazasm, Dead Cat, Open Letter To The Gungrabbers, Teh 10 Gratest Liberterean Books Evar@!!!!111) *Don't worry, all very short :P *
Story Notes

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P.S: Do you want "micropiece" to remain in lower case, or with a capital M?

Lower case, please. :)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Plinker-MS on December 11, 2006, 09:51:03 pm
I've added your "...polite society" link to the first post in this thread. 

Is it a different version from what was published in your old Lulu.com book?  I have the PDF of that book, and could probably extract the text from it if needed.

Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 11, 2006, 10:30:27 pm
I've added your "...polite society" link to the first post in this thread. 

Is it a different version from what was published in your old Lulu.com book?  I have the PDF of that book, and could probably extract the text from it if needed.



Nope, same thing. There never was a part two. :P
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 12, 2006, 12:29:39 am
Gloryroad:
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I'm gathering and editing into a single document. It will contain: ...etc.

Got it.

Are you planning to add any longer stories? I thought you said you were going to put one in.

And I need the rest of your Blurbs -- from Sunni or whomever. I only have the one from John. Fairly short please, or I (or you) can take excerpts from them.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 12, 2006, 08:43:49 am
Gloryroad:
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I'm gathering and editing into a single document. It will contain: ...etc.

Got it.

Are you planning to add any longer stories? I thought you said you were going to put one in.

I'm hoping to include two, actually: The Woman Who Hitchiked With Cats and Trenching. I'll try to get them to you before Xmas.

I should be able to send you the final version of my essay A Map Of Mankind by the end of the week, barring catastrophic events.

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And I need the rest of your Blurbs -- from Sunni or whomever. I only have the one from John. Fairly short please, or I (or you) can take excerpts from them.

I'll do my best...but it's tough to rush favors. :P

Oh, and there will be interior art -- B&W. At least two, possibly more. :)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on December 12, 2006, 10:13:16 am
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I'm hoping to include two, actually: The Woman Who Hitchiked With Cats and Trenching.

Great! I was hoping they would be included.

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I should be able to send you the final version of my essay A Map Of Mankind by the end of the week, barring catastrophic events.

Bring it on... I've been curious about that 'Map'.

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Oh, and there will be interior art -- B&W. At least two, possibly more.

No problem. Just tell me where you want them placed.
This is fun, and should be beautiful. Hope you like it as much as I do; I'm tweaking it daily, as you add and as inspiration hits.
I'm beginning to feel like I'm delivering a baby!

Dare2BFree is currently helping with the copy editing, which I appreciate immensely.  (Maybe she's my midwife... :-) )
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 12, 2006, 10:23:24 am

Well my thanks to Dare2BFree. :)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: George Potter on December 12, 2006, 12:57:58 pm
These are the story notes that will go at the books end, thought some here might like to read 'em:

Story Notes



Stray Dog

Everyone places this after Ghost, because of chronology.  But I wrote this one first, and it was my first attempt to write for an audience: a scary thing all by itself. That it concerned extremely personal events that were still raw to me at the time made it even scarier.  Over the course of a few weeks I serialized it on the forum of anti-state.com. I kept waiting for people to laugh, or to lose interest. Neither happened. So I kept going.

Ghost

Of a piece with Stray Dog. Both of these essays were a sort of therapy to me: allowing me to chew up and spit out the anger and self-pity that was keeping me from concentrating on fiction or important -- to be honest -- non fiction.

Odd trivia: created quite a little flame war when a well meaning bridge-builder posted it on the left-anarchist site infoshop.  Based only on a short segment where I praise the market as a civilizing force in even the most hellish of places,  I was called a liar, a fake, a fraud, a poseur, etc. That it was a true, not at all fantastical story of an ordinary guy kidnapped and abused by the state over nothing didn't matter. I was a dirty capitalist and deserved it.

That taught me everything I needed to know about socialism.

micropiece

When I first discovered the world of 'free market anarchism' I nearly exploded. At last someone made sense!
I tackled Ludwig Von Mises' Human Action and discovered something I hadn't experienced in years: a brilliant and difficult text that actually challenged me. That it rewarded me at the same time was the clincher: this guy knew what the hell he was talking about.

I consider this to be my first 'mature' piece of writing. Inspired partly by Leonard Read's I, Pencil this was also my attempt to explain free market dynamics on an emotional, passionate level.   To grab people by the balls rather than the brain, so to speak.  It seems to have worked, because this remains my fastest spreading, most 'viral' piece of work. It popped up all over the place in the months following my posting. I got loads of mail from it.

It's probably the perfect explanation of my philosophy, warts and all. I love it.

Wake

I'll be blunt: I dig big chicks. Plain and simple. I wonder, all the time, if the stressed out - need pills - need therapy paradigm of the 'modern woman' is the direct result of so many women wandering around permanently hungry because they are attempting to force their bodies to be something they'll never be. Have you ever met a content hungry person? I haven't. Hilariously, I struck a nerve amongst the starve-myself-skinny crowd. One lady called me a 'monster' and said I was encouraging teenaged girls to have heart attacks. Umm. OK. Have a cheeseburger and chill, hon.


The Liberators

I received more flack from (L)ibertarians for this story than I did from conservatives. Liberals seemed to love it (for all the wrong reasons, of course: one person actually thought it was a freakin' pro-gun control parable! *shudder*), the conservatives mainly accepted it as food for thought, but interventionist (L)ibertarians took it for the slap in the face that it was meant to be. I know why -- I was using their own first principles against them to show why they were wrong. It flat out pissed them off. Good.

Years ago I saw this little snippet of video on the news. A young Iraqi girl, dancing with great joy on a Baghdad street while her grandfather played the accordian. I looked at that baby girl and could see no difference between her and my baby girl.

When the war cranked up she stayed close to my thoughts. A lady I spoke to often on the phone (met and started flirting on the 'net) was pro-war. I asked her, as a mother, how she could condone an invasion where the youngest of the population took the brunt of the horror. She told me her children were different from 'raghead' children. I slammed the phone down in disgust and never spoke to her again. I started writing the story that day. It was hard: I got so pissed off that I had to take breaks. Eventually took me a year to finish.

The only one of my stories extensively edited. She knows who she his, and has more thanks.

Lullaby

My most personal story. Utterly self explanatory. If you don't get it, I apologize. I can't explain it any better than it explains itself.

Roberta

Probably my best story on a technical level, and probably my favorite. All this despite the fact that only a specialized audience will get the fundamental gag (not to mention all the in-jokes!). That's why it's my best -- and my favorite. once I thought of the concept, I couldn't not write it.

I gotta thank my bro Carl Rose for it. One night we were goofing off in IM talking about the 'perfect libertarian story'.

'Gotta have Rand. And probably Heinlein.' I said.

'And Zeppelins.' Carl reminded me.

"Hells yeah." But the voice took notice, and wheels started turning.

Oddly enough I think this just might be the perfect libertarian story in a sense. While serializing it I averaged about about 30-75 emails per DAY, demanding more. "Dear god," I said. "I've invented libertarian crack."

On a more serious note, this takes micropiece and screams off into speculation with it.

I hope to god this is where we're going. Call my hopes pinned. Watch 'em dangle.


Round Eyes

My most metaphysical piece, and a sort of attack on one of the silliest habits we humans have: living in the past, obsessing over the future, and ignoring the only thing that matters: now.

This was also a structural experiment -- I wanted to see if I could pull the tricky structure off without diluting the sheer emotion of the narrative.

I don't believe in destiny or fate, not really. But if it existed, I think it would be a little something like this.

Xangurl

Lots of people disliked this story, were offended and disturbed by it. Maybe that's why I wrote it. I know the gal I based this on, and consider her a friend. After she got it through her head that 1) she couldn't seduce me and 2) I didn't judge her, she was a pretty damn good friend right back.

This is one of the rare stories I sat down and wrote in one go. Lullaby is the only other.  The reason I wrote it is because the damn thing wouldn't leave me alone.

But the reason I posted it is a different animal. I readily admit that I write for a ghetto. I don't mean that as an insult. Hell, I love my ghetto. I write for libertarians and anarchists, and I do it for two reasons: The first is simply so that I don't have to explain why liberty and freedom are good things in and of themselves. The second is that it's hard for folks like us to find fiction that isn't insidiously statist in some way.

But that doesn't mean I can't challenge my audience to a certain degree. Not everything about liberty and freedom is sweetness and light.

Think what you want about my little Xangurl, but never deny that she lives life on her own terms and by her own rules. This little adventure in the skin trade and the party scene is a paean to freedom: the kind of freedom you might not like thinking about.

Of course, if she could just walk to the store and buy her drug of choice, maybe...

*Edited to fix bizarre word processor cut/paste/insert mistake by most likely stoned writer*
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Dare2BFree on December 12, 2006, 01:38:20 pm
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Dare2BFree is currently helping with the copy editing, which I appreciate immensely.  (Maybe she's my midwife... :-) )


Well my thanks to Dare2BFree. :)

My pleasure  :)  I'm having to read very carefully.... I enjoy the stories so much, I get lost in them and forget what I'm supposed to be doing!
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on March 11, 2007, 01:47:52 am
Hey George,

Is there anything more to come for Symbols Flow? PLEEEZE!
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: coloradohermit on March 11, 2007, 06:50:32 am
How is this project coming? Any ETA on when we can hope to see it available?
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Pagan on March 11, 2007, 07:15:52 am
I was under the impression that George was going to add to it with a novella and possibly another short work or two, so have been waiting for him. In the meantime we were doing the cookbook (which was promised first)  and working on some ideas for Outlaw Trail.

But George has said very little lately except to give us some works of other authors. I don't know where we stand with Symbols Flow. 
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Tahn L. on March 11, 2007, 11:21:09 am
After reading just a story or two, I would certainly be honored (if allowed) to purchase an autographed copy at extra cost!  Just tell me where & when. Thanks George!
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Bill St. Clair on August 06, 2007, 08:16:11 am
George has posted a new one, the first of seven parts on his blog, Market Theocracy.

http://markettheocracy.blogsome.com/2007/08/05/a-map-of-mankind-part-1/

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Because society as defined by the collectivists and powermongers and control freaks is an outright lie. Amusingly (if the bleakest of black humor amuses you), it’s not even a well told lie. It is a ridiculous, inept, un-clever, clumsy lie. Loki himself would speak truth before he used such pathetic trickery. Satan would bow before heaven rather than resort to such childish fibbing.

Society, as posited, praised and worshipped by the beehivers and leash-holders, simply does not exist.

Society as it is, however, does exist. It is as real as math and music and logic and language. Far from devaluing individuals, it glorifies them. Rather than being ‘more important’ than our flickering firefly selves, it is our servent and greatest tool. Instead of beating us down, it raises us up to great heights and allows wondrous achievement.

I mirrored it at http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/map.html , which I'll update as the other parts come out, goddess willing.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: carpediem on May 14, 2008, 10:59:05 am
After reading just a story or two, I would certainly be honored (if allowed) to purchase an autographed copy at extra cost!  Just tell me where & when. Thanks George!

I would too...am a member of another board that I met George at almost 5 yrs ago?
Frankenfood is my handle there...
Hi George!!
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Claire on August 22, 2009, 08:55:54 am
I know this thread is stickied, so it's already very visible to anybody who enters the Writers Block forums. But for newbs and others who might not be familiar with the world-class writings of TMM's resident genius George Potter, I thought I'd give it a bump.

Check out the links Plinker-MS posted at the start of this thread.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Undefined on August 26, 2009, 03:03:06 am

Since the removal of 'George's Place', it seems a few of the links in the first post are dead. Starting tomorrow, I'll post the missing pieces on my blog and send Plinker a list so that he can re-link when he gets a chance.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Plinker-MS on September 08, 2009, 11:31:03 pm

Since the removal of 'George's Place', it seems a few of the links in the first post are dead. Starting tomorrow, I'll post the missing pieces on my blog and send Plinker a list so that he can re-link when he gets a chance.

Let me know when you are done, and where the links are.  I'll be ready B)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Plinker-MS on October 04, 2009, 10:25:50 pm
I have just updated the first post in this thread.  I added some of George's more recent stuff, and cleaned up a few dead links, etc...

Enjoy!
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Undefined on October 04, 2009, 11:56:30 pm

Appreciated as usual, Plinker.

I'll get around to posting some of the stuff with broken links on the blog soon. I've got them all arranged. Lately, though, our always horribly crippled dialup is even more crippled than usual. These freakin' phone lines must date back to when Bell was a risky looking startup -- we average a 21.6 connection. Yeah. They're supposedly doing an overhaul, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Undefined on December 01, 2009, 02:23:31 am
Bad Patterns: 14 Weird Stories (http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=24712.0)
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: MamaLiberty on May 31, 2010, 10:06:50 am
I have not read any of Potter's work yet. Is there any available on line to sample? Thanks!
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Bill St. Clair on May 31, 2010, 11:58:38 am
I have not read any of Potter's work yet. Is there any available on line to sample? Thanks!

There are a bunch of links in this thread. I've got quite a few collected at http://billstclair.com/blog/gloryroad/ . And then there's George's blog, http://markettheocracy.blogsome.com/
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Clip Johnson on May 31, 2010, 01:44:50 pm
What ever happened to George? Wasn't he the "Undefined" poster above in this thread?
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: MamaLiberty on May 31, 2010, 03:22:43 pm
Thanks, Bill. I got the idea that all the old links were not good anymore. Should have known you'd capture at least some of it. :)

Will explore.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: Bill St. Clair on June 01, 2010, 04:26:51 am
What ever happened to George? Wasn't he the "Undefined" poster above in this thread?

George has been on and off the forum a couple of time, under a couple of different nyms. He's currently off. That's what it means when a poster's name doesn't link to their profile page and it says "Guest" underneath. And, yes, it appears that George changed his name to "Undefined" before leaving this time.
Title: Re: The Best of George Potter
Post by: buck19delta on January 16, 2011, 09:07:14 pm
i have read A LOT, of books, and i have to say that the story " the crumbler", is as good as ANYTHING i have ever read. i am not a big steven king fan, ( think he is too long winded), i am a dean koonz fan and have read everything he has written. i have to say " the crumbler", is top notch, and would sell like hotcakes. did it ever get finished??????    i saw where he mentioned something about writing 90,000 words for it or something. if anyone knows where it can be read, purchased, or anything else please let me know... :huh: