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NEW CPR PROCEDURE
« on: June 09, 2012, 12:11:40 PM »

NEW CPR PROCEDURE. Watch - then share. This short video illustrates the best demonstration and gives the simplest explanation of exactly what to do if someone near you collapses and is presumably having a heart attack. You could very well save their life. Someone you share this video with might save your life..!
http://ahsc.arizona.edu/node/730

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Re: NEW CPR PROCEDURE
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2012, 12:23:43 PM »

Not new, really. We were taught this in nursing at least 8 or 10 years ago.

The interesting thing is that in 65 years of life, and 30 of that in nursing - all areas and populations - I have NEVER needed to do CPR of any kind. It is a rare thing in most places - probably even in a hospital.

Second, the idea that one does not need to train and practice is silly. Most people are not going to do either on their own, so the chance of having someone actually qualified to perform this procedure present at that rare occasion when it might help is - well, let's say the odds are very, very small.

Third, I've seen patients after PROFESSIONALS finish doing CPR... many times their ribs are broken and they are bleeding from the mouth. Most of the time they are DEAD.

If this is something a person especially wishes to learn and be prepared to do... God bless them and I hope they never need to use it. Odds are they never will.

I'd rather spend the time at the range practicing my shooting. At least that's fun. :)
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Re: NEW CPR PROCEDURE
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 01:42:39 AM »

I've used CPR on someone, so have people at my work place.
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Re: NEW CPR PROCEDURE
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 05:52:15 AM »

I've used CPR on someone, so have people at my work place.

It does happen. It's just rare, and often the person is not really helped with it. But it's like training for self defense... once is all it takes to make that training useful.

Where in the world do you work that you've seen so many use CPR? :)
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Re: NEW CPR PROCEDURE
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 08:25:02 PM »

I've used CPR on someone, so have people at my work place.

It does happen. It's just rare, and often the person is not really helped with it. But it's like training for self defense... once is all it takes to make that training useful.

Where in the world do you work that you've seen so many use CPR? :)
I've used it once when I worked as a volunteer Firefighter for a local city. The patient died BTW.
I've never seen it used here at work but that is what I'm told.
The refinery were I work has people who are employed for 40 plus years, so there is a long instutional memory.
That and old people doing blue collar work, so you can imagine.
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Re: NEW CPR PROCEDURE
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2012, 12:25:21 AM »

The refinery were I work has people who are employed for 40 plus years, so there is a long instutional memory.
That and old people doing blue collar work, so you can imagine.


Socal.....   refinery......   you're not by any chance at the Carson refinery are you?    if so, i'm producing a lot of your feedstock up in prudhoe...

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2012, 01:34:08 AM »

The refinery were I work has people who are employed for 40 plus years, so there is a long instutional memory.
That and old people doing blue collar work, so you can imagine.


Socal.....   refinery......   you're not by any chance at the Carson refinery are you?    if so, i'm producing a lot of your feedstock up in prudhoe...

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Re: NEW CPR PROCEDURE
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2012, 09:52:28 AM »

Basically make the blood circulate and replenish 02 as needed.  A lot of this stuff is pretty instinctive any way, what is the 1st thing everyone checks for?  Breath and Blood...........  If you find a body that isn't breathing, chances are who ever it was is now a WAS.  Maybe you will have a lottery winner on your hands if you choose to help.
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Re: NEW CPR PROCEDURE
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2012, 08:05:48 PM »

The refinery were I work has people who are employed for 40 plus years, so there is a long instutional memory.
That and old people doing blue collar work, so you can imagine.


Socal.....   refinery......   you're not by any chance at the Carson refinery are you?    if so, i'm producing a lot of your feedstock up in prudhoe...

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Re: NEW CPR PROCEDURE
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2012, 12:39:29 AM »

MAMA, I've been involved in MANY CPR episodes, most of the time when I was also a paramedic on the ambulance.  I recall that on a couple of occasions when good BLS // CPR was done from the start of the cardiac arrest we were able to save the victim who recovered their life.  One time, the most memorable time, before the units had GPS in them to show on the screen which was the closest unit to send to an emergency call, we just happened to be right on top of an ongoing CPR in progress.  I successfully shocked the patient out of V-FIB while my partner was intubating the older lady. Then I started the IV and gave the Lidocaine, as that's what we used back then.  We got a pulse back very soon as she collapsed literally onto the respiratory therapist on that scene at a McDonalds.  There was also an RN and a nursing student all three together there having lunch. I did have to put her on some dopamine to bring up her blood pressure but we transported emergency to the major hospital ER from where we all worked. She went to the ICU for a couple of days, then out onto the floor after angioplasty.  Later she was discharged home from the hospital.  She was a lady in her 60's who was still working, but the doctors told her to retire, and she did.  I don't know how much longer she lived but I understand from others who knew her in that small community that, the last we knew, she had been around quite a while.  Just good luck that we happened to be right there and heard the call on the radio in our unit, then we called dispatch as we hauled over there taking less than two minutes to get to the scene.

I had another CPR where the patient survived, but it's another long story that I don't want to put here. Mama is right. It seldom happens with care providers sufficiently close that it helps, and especially with the very old or very sick it usually is not successful, but it does work at times.

MAMA, the classes are good, but sadly they don't cover when NOT to start CPR.  We have had cases while I was a paramedic also that we'd get to a BAD wreck and someone had begun CPR.  Half of the blood volume of the poor person was in the floorboard of their car. Had been hit by a BIG 18 wheeler tractor trailer. NObody should have done CPR so we just loaded and did compressions over to the ER so the doctor could give us the order to stop when we went through the door of the ER. So many CPR's are done on patients who are not a proper candidate. Some 95 year old person who's family can't bring themselves to allow the doctor to give the order for NO CPR & just give it to hospice for comfort measures only.  Man that's what I'll have when I get to that point. I've had a good long talk with my primary doctor and cardiologist about my wishes so that we are all "singing on the same page of music."

Mama, you know how this is.  I could go on and on, but it's complicated. Hope I've been helpful to someone.

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Re: NEW CPR PROCEDURE
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2012, 06:49:34 AM »

Yes indeed, RN... when professionals can assess the patient and perform CPR, especially with the defibrillator and appropriate IV meds...  some patients definitely benefit.  One would EXPECT to run into a fair number of these cases as an EMT of any kind.  Hospice nurse, not so much. :)

The untrained folks doing CPR on a victim with a major bleed.. well, I rest my case. But having DNR tattooed on your chest probably wouldn't help... a lot of these bozos can't read... sigh.

A home health patient had a massive stroke just moments before I arrived one day. Her daughter met me at the door screaming, and I rushed in... to have the old woman expire before I could get my stuff set down. The daughter demanded I start CPR, and I was forced to do so since there was no DNR order... was glad the 911 call had already been made, so the EMTs showed up in a few minutes.

I was exhausted, disgusted and very sad. Instead of dignity and peace, that lady's passing was marked with hysteria, fear and physical abuse. The CPR was completely inappropriate, but I had no choice... which is why I said I'd never been in a situation where it was NEEDED.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2012, 10:46:56 AM »

Yes indeed, RN... when professionals can assess the patient and perform CPR, especially with the defibrillator and appropriate IV meds...  some patients definitely benefit.  One would EXPECT to run into a fair number of these cases as an EMT of any kind.  Hospice nurse, not so much. :)

The untrained folks doing CPR on a victim with a major bleed.. well, I rest my case. But having DNR tattooed on your chest probably wouldn't help... a lot of these bozos can't read... sigh.

A home health patient had a massive stroke just moments before I arrived one day. Her daughter met me at the door screaming, and I rushed in... to have the old woman expire before I could get my stuff set down. The daughter demanded I start CPR, and I was forced to do so since there was no DNR order... was glad the 911 call had already been made, so the EMTs showed up in a few minutes.

I was exhausted, disgusted and very sad. Instead of dignity and peace, that lady's passing was marked with hysteria, fear and physical abuse. The CPR was completely inappropriate, but I had no choice... which is why I said I'd never been in a situation where it was NEEDED.

Yes, Mama Liberty, I've been in a bunch of those too. I'd suppose most every nurse has.  I share your feeling that most of the time when CPR is done, it is NOT needed or appropriate. The two cases I was involved in where the patient survived to continue their lives were//are the VERY RARE exception and NOT the rule.

To those of you who are lay people and NOT professionals in health care in some area, please, Please, PLEASE learn when NOT to start CPR as well as when TO start it.

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2012, 10:37:56 PM »

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To those of you who are lay people and NOT professionals in health care in some area, please, Please, PLEASE learn when NOT to start CPR as well as when TO start it.

Thanks for the advice, RN :)
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2012, 11:43:18 PM »

One of the worst things that I see in NON appropriate CPR is that it gives loved one's a false hope.  They believe that there is one last hope when in reality most of the time there really is not. 

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