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Oil Lamps
« on: October 21, 2009, 01:26:58 PM »

I need some input on oil lamps.  I ran acroos some oil lamps at Wal-Mart on sale for $6.  The lamp fuel is about $4 for a gallon.  Would that be a good buy or should I go to a good sporting goods store and spend the extra $$ and buy a good oil lamp and a good solar-powred lantern with LED lights?

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2009, 01:46:16 PM »

I need some input on oil lamps.  I ran acroos some oil lamps at Wal-Mart on sale for $6.  The lamp fuel is about $4 for a gallon.  Would that be a good buy or should I go to a good sporting goods store and spend the extra $$ and buy a good oil lamp and a good solar-powred lantern with LED lights?

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Lehmans  ( www.lehmans.com ) is generally considered the go-to place to order non-electric
tools, etc.. They have a reputation for quality, and I've been pleased with the stuff I've bought
from them, including oil lamps.

You will pay more for a lamp at Lehmans than you will at WalMart, but I think the quality is worth it.

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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2009, 03:36:49 PM »

I need some input on oil lamps.  I ran acroos some oil lamps at Wal-Mart on sale for $6. ...

If those are the metal-bodied "hurricane" lamps last seen stocked in Sporting Goods, run away. They are trash.

Pricey, but very nice are the Aladdin mantle kerosene lamps (which Lehman's does carry). I took a multi-fuel approach to off-grid lighting since you never know what will be available: duel-fuel Coleman gas lantern, assorted LED lights, propane lantern, Aladdin kerosene lamp, and yes, candles.
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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2009, 04:37:51 PM »

I have used kerosene lamps and lanterns for decades now. Most of the lamps currently available locally are from China, but they still function. I have older antique ones from the early 1900's ( and possibly earlier) and although they are definitely sturdier than newer ones, they function basically the same.

 When you purchase a newer lamp (not to be confused with a lantern for OUTSIDE light) there are two wick sizes. The smaller wick (5/8") burns longer on the same amount of fuel, with less odor but less light. The larger (7/8") gives more light but also uses more fuel. There is even a small round wick for those tiny nightlights, which use even less in fuel and give off little light but then again, a "little" light, when you are in the DARK, is a wonderful thing.

I also have a double wick lamp from Lehman's, which is great for a bright light (for a lamp) but is also very difficult to adjust and get a complete burn without the odor of incomplete combustion. I have a couple of Alladins but don't use them much as the regular kero lamps give me the basic light I need. I also don't like the mantle part of the Alladin as they seem, to me, to be high maintenance.

 I have been on grid AND off-grid when the electricity went out and I always brought out the old kero's. Compared to the dark, a kerosene lamp is a modern item of great value. They ALWAYS work. Yes, you must have fuel and wicks but I have used K-1, regular kerosene, diesel and even # 2 fuel oil. Just don't EVER use gasoline or Coleman fuels. They will explode, I'm told.

 You must keep the wick trimmed as it burns down, which is best done every few days in daylight hours. Most of the smell in modern lamps is from an improperly trimmed wick. Incidentally, you can trim them in various shapes to produce different flame shapes.

 All in all, I totally and completely recommend having several fuel oil lamps for any emergency, even a soft dinner by lamp light. They are cheap to acquire and use.

As to lanterns, they are for outside light and give off more smell than a lamp but will stay lit in pretty heavy gusts. If you don't have a modern flashlight they beat the heck out of a torch. Don't burn them inside though as the design is for wind protection not odorless lighting. Most modern ones are from China also and really are pretty flimsy compared to older American and German lanterns you can find at flea markets and antique shops. Just make sure on used ones that there is no rust or leakage around the bottom. Even the Dietz Lanterns are made in China now. Better than no light though,. without doubt.

 For both lamps and lanterns, you should stock extra glass globes and wicks. I get more breakage in lamps than lanterns though, because the glass is thiner and not locked down.

 Go out today and buy yourself 3 or 4 lamps and a lantern, lots of extra wicks (they are cheap and make great trade items) and 5 gal of kerosene or the more expensive lamp oil which is more refinned and gives off less odor. There might come a day when you will thank your lucky stars you are not in the dark. Don't forget some matches as they are a little hard to light with a flint and steel.  :rolleyes:

On somewhat of a side note, the kerosene lamps (or coal oil as they were first called) became popular during and after the War of Northern aggression. They replaced (almost immediately) the "betty lamp" which the world used for the first few thousand years. I keep some small round wick (just like the small nightlamps mentioned above) stored for use in a "betty lamp" because "someday" the kero might not be available and a betty can use vegtable oils and even animal fat for fuel. They just give off more smoke and less light. They also do not wick well due to low capillary action. That is why a betty style lamp has the wick at about the same height as the fuel level, like the original aladdin style, genie lamp (not the same as the modern Aladdin brand kero lamp.)

Kerosene lamps _  5 stars on The Basic list of "Cheap But Must Have Essentials".
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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2009, 04:55:50 PM »

I have used kerosene lamps and lanterns for decades now. Most of the lamps currently available locally are from China, but they still function. I have older antique ones from the early 1900's ( and possibly earlier) and although they are definitely sturdier than newer ones, they function basically the same.

 When you purchase a newer lamp (not to be confused with a lantern for OUTSIDE light) there are two wick sizes. The smaller wick (5/8") burns longer on the same amount of fuel, with less odor but less light. The larger (7/8") gives more light but also uses more fuel. There is even a small round wick for those tiny nightlights, which use even less in fuel and give off little light but then again, a "little" light, when you are in the DARK, is a wonderful thing.

I also have a double wick lamp from Lehman's, which is great for a bright light (for a lamp) but is also very difficult to adjust and get a complete burn without the odor of incomplete combustion. I have a couple of Alladins but don't use them much as the regular kero lamps give me the basic light I need. I also don't like the mantle part of the Alladin as they seem, to me, to be high maintenance.

 I have been on grid AND off-grid when the electricity went out and I always brought out the old kero's. Compared to the dark, a kerosene lamp is a modern item of great value. They ALWAYS work. Yes, you must have fuel and wicks but I have used K-1, regular kerosene, diesel and even # 2 fuel oil. Just don't EVER use gasoline or Coleman fuels. They will explode, I'm told.

 You must keep the wick trimmed as it burns down, which is best done every few days in daylight hours. Most of the smell in modern lamps is from an improperly trimmed wick. Incidentally, you can trim them in various shapes to produce different flame shapes.

 All in all, I totally and completely recommend having several fuel oil lamps for any emergency, even a soft dinner by lamp light. They are cheap to acquire and use.

As to lanterns, they are for outside light and give off more smell than a lamp but will stay lit in pretty heavy gusts. If you don't have a modern flashlight they beat the heck out of a torch. Don't burn them inside though as the design is for wind protection not odorless lighting. Most modern ones are from China also and really are pretty flimsy compared to older American and German lanterns you can find at flea markets and antique shops. Just make sure on used ones that there is no rust or leakage around the bottom. Even the Dietz Lanterns are made in China now. Better than no light though,. without doubt.

 For both lamps and lanterns, you should stock extra glass globes and wicks. I get more breakage in lamps than lanterns though, because the glass is thiner and not locked down.

 Go out today and buy yourself 3 or 4 lamps and a lantern, lots of extra wicks (they are cheap and make great trade items) and 5 gal of kerosene or the more expensive lamp oil which is more refinned and gives off less odor. There might come a day when you will thank your lucky stars you are not in the dark. Don't forget some matches as they are a little hard to light with a flint and steel.  :rolleyes:

On somewhat of a side note, the kerosene lamps (or coal oil as they were first called) became popular during and after the War of Northern aggression. They replaced (almost immediately) the "betty lamp" which the world used for the first few thousand years. I keep some small round wick (just like the small nightlamps mentioned above) stored for use in a "betty lamp" because "someday" the kero might not be available and a betty can use vegtable oils and even animal fat for fuel. They just give off more smoke and less light. They also do not wick well due to low capillary action. That is why a betty style lamp has the wick at about the same height as the fuel level, like the original aladdin style, genie lamp (not the same as the modern Aladdin brand kero lamp.)

Kerosene lamps _  5 stars on The Basic list of "Cheap But Must Have Essentials".

Don't some of lamps have the ability to use the vegetable oil methyl esters?
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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2009, 05:09:47 PM »

I have used kerosene lamps and lanterns for decades now. Most of the lamps currently available locally are from China, but they still function. I have older antique ones from the early 1900's ( and possibly earlier) and although they are definitely sturdier than newer ones, they function basically the same.

 When you purchase a newer lamp (not to be confused with a lantern for OUTSIDE light) there are two wick sizes. The smaller wick (5/8") burns longer on the same amount of fuel, with less odor but less light. The larger (7/8") gives more light but also uses more fuel. There is even a small round wick for those tiny nightlights, which use even less in fuel and give off little light but then again, a "little" light, when you are in the DARK, is a wonderful thing.

I also have a double wick lamp from Lehman's, which is great for a bright light (for a lamp) but is also very difficult to adjust and get a complete burn without the odor of incomplete combustion. I have a couple of Alladins but don't use them much as the regular kero lamps give me the basic light I need. I also don't like the mantle part of the Alladin as they seem, to me, to be high maintenance.

 I have been on grid AND off-grid when the electricity went out and I always brought out the old kero's. Compared to the dark, a kerosene lamp is a modern item of great value. They ALWAYS work. Yes, you must have fuel and wicks but I have used K-1, regular kerosene, diesel and even # 2 fuel oil. Just don't EVER use gasoline or Coleman fuels. They will explode, I'm told.

 You must keep the wick trimmed as it burns down, which is best done every few days in daylight hours. Most of the smell in modern lamps is from an improperly trimmed wick. Incidentally, you can trim them in various shapes to produce different flame shapes.

 All in all, I totally and completely recommend having several fuel oil lamps for any emergency, even a soft dinner by lamp light. They are cheap to acquire and use.

As to lanterns, they are for outside light and give off more smell than a lamp but will stay lit in pretty heavy gusts. If you don't have a modern flashlight they beat the heck out of a torch. Don't burn them inside though as the design is for wind protection not odorless lighting. Most modern ones are from China also and really are pretty flimsy compared to older American and German lanterns you can find at flea markets and antique shops. Just make sure on used ones that there is no rust or leakage around the bottom. Even the Dietz Lanterns are made in China now. Better than no light though,. without doubt.

 For both lamps and lanterns, you should stock extra glass globes and wicks. I get more breakage in lamps than lanterns though, because the glass is thiner and not locked down.

 Go out today and buy yourself 3 or 4 lamps and a lantern, lots of extra wicks (they are cheap and make great trade items) and 5 gal of kerosene or the more expensive lamp oil which is more refinned and gives off less odor. There might come a day when you will thank your lucky stars you are not in the dark. Don't forget some matches as they are a little hard to light with a flint and steel.  :rolleyes:

On somewhat of a side note, the kerosene lamps (or coal oil as they were first called) became popular during and after the War of Northern aggression. They replaced (almost immediately) the "betty lamp" which the world used for the first few thousand years. I keep some small round wick (just like the small nightlamps mentioned above) stored for use in a "betty lamp" because "someday" the kero might not be available and a betty can use vegtable oils and even animal fat for fuel. They just give off more smoke and less light. They also do not wick well due to low capillary action. That is why a betty style lamp has the wick at about the same height as the fuel level, like the original aladdin style, genie lamp (not the same as the modern Aladdin brand kero lamp.)

Kerosene lamps _  5 stars on The Basic list of "Cheap But Must Have Essentials".

Don't some of lamps have the ability to use the vegetable oil methyl esters?


FWIW, I think you need to break veg oil down into biodiesel to get at the esters directly. Otherwise, it's just oil.

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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2009, 05:39:12 PM »


FWIW, I think you need to break veg oil down into biodiesel to get at the esters directly. Otherwise, it's just oil.

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Yep, I have a source of large amounts of biodiesel but it is not used for fuel for them...

Not that hard to make... toxic fumes and chemicals but possible in the barn.

http://alternativefuels.about.com/od/biodiesel/ss/makebiodiesel1.htm
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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2009, 07:01:47 PM »

Tahn,   Great info...I have two kerosene lamps and an old lantern , I really like them. One of the lamps is a Queen Anne table lamp and is from the 30's I think,  the lantern is a Embury #2 Air pilot, it was made somewhere between 1939 and 1953.  Just put new wicks in all and a new chimney on the old Queen Anne, they all work like new again.

   
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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2009, 08:03:07 PM »

Thanks for all the info.  I have no idea who the manufacture was of the oil lamps.  The only thing I do know is that they were on sale for $6 a piece and they were also selling extra wicks and lamp oil (99% parafin oil) for $4 I believe.  The lamps were all glass and from what I have learned from research is that glass oil lamps are better to have then the metal or tin lamps since those can leak.

I think I'll pick me up a few with extra wicks and extra glass globes and stock up on both kerosene and lamp oil.
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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2009, 08:15:03 PM »

I have purchased Dietz kero lanterns from here before with success:

http://www.lanternnet.com/

Not affiliated with them or anything, they just have a good selection of hot blast and cold blast Dietz including the one with the cook pot.

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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2009, 09:13:16 PM »

Great post, Tahn. Thanks!
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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2009, 06:15:41 AM »

Tahn made a great post. Some points I'd like to reinforce:

Aladdin lamps put out a lot of light - as much as a Dietz I had - but the mantles are a pita. We used these lamps for bright lights when my diabetic father would mix his daily shots, so if you need bright light, get an aladdin or Dietz.

Make sure you get plenty of extra wicking, and mantles for aladdins. Just last year Lehman's had a lot of wicking on backorder for some time, so don't wait for it if you find it. Extra chimneys are helpful too.

The older lamps are a much higher quality than the new lamps. I have about a dozen old lamps (50-100 y/o) and several new lamps. The old lamps simply perform better for me. Parts are not hard to find on the 'net.

Fuel will make a large difference in the amount of soot and odor. A good fuel and properly trimmed wick will put out no noticable soot or odor. Poor fuel will put out both.

Kerosene does age. It takes a while, but it does evaporate and leave 'sludge' or 'varnish', so use and freshen your stock. Lamp oil seems to me to have a longer shelf life.

If you have kids, wall mount lamp holders are a good chimney saver.
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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2009, 10:27:34 AM »

Does anyone have experience with Petromax lanterns?

http://www.petromax.com/lanterns.htm
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Re: Oil Lamps
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2009, 10:48:08 AM »

Just a quick question... oil lamps are what part of guns and their gear? Should this be moved to general gulching? More folks might see it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2009, 11:02:58 AM »

Coleman used to make table lamps, intended for indoor use. They made them until the 1950's in the U.S. and the 1960's in Canada. The early ones needed pre-heating with a torch or later just matches, the last oens made were instant lighting like a regular Coleman lantern. They'll give the brightest light. Lehmans sells a modern version of them, they call it their Amish table lamp, in with the pressure lanterns. Stainless steel tank, shade and pump sold seperately. Here's my original Coleman from 1912, still works:





But I think in any extended incident, non-petroleum based fuels will be what is necessary. They aren't really bright by modern standards but they're enough. I've got a large collection of lamps including pre-kerosene lamps. These two lamps, the first being a tin lard lamp (was in rough shape when I got it, full of pinholes rusted in the font) from 1856, the other being a whale oil lamp from the 1840's, will burn many natural vegetable oils and fats or grease:





And, I did some experimenting with wood gasification some time ago and got this gas lamp from the late 1800's burning on it, fairly brightly at that:



And I would stay away from walmart lamps, they're poorly made. Some of their lamps leak right out of the box, and the burners are poorly made and prone to wearing out.

And vegetable oil/biodiesel will burn very poorly in a kerosene lamp. It's a heavy oil and travels up wicks poorly, hence why the old whale oil and lard lamps were made to heat the oil up so it would flow better (that whale oil lamp above, it has two small round wick tubes that go into the font to heat the oil, the lard lamp has a copper air tube in the center of the wick that serves the same purpose). Kerosene lamps are designed to not heat the oil up too much since that can be dangerous (particularly in the 1800's when oil refining wasn't too good).

Long first post but the thread caught my eye.


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