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[mouse]

I am sure we have all read numerous articles and comments by people ridiculing anyone questioning the 9.11 "official story".

However, there can be no doubt that there are so may "holes" in the "19 hijacker story", ones "big enough to drive a truck through".  It seems more and more clear the more I look at it that the "official story" is so utterly absurd, and expecting people to believe it is like expecting them to believe in fairies.

Personally it took me about three hours (or not much more) to see that there was something drastically wrong with the explanation that the media put out about the WTC destruction and the pentagon damage.  And at that time the only information I had to go on were endless pictures of the towers coming down, perfectly symetrically in their own "footprints" in clouds of dust.  And what clinched it for me was seeing a reporter saying that the concrete had been pulverised to a fine powder and thinking "fire just doesn't do that".  The questions began.

Where are the endless stories and articles ridiculing the "official story"?  The first totally unbelievable point was the "miracle" of Mohommed Atta's amazing fireproof passport that somehow escaped perfectly intact from the fireball and amid the blizzard of paper reigning down from the towers, came fluttering to the ground to be picked up by a passerby who was completely oblivious to danger of standing there looking at what was written on papers.  This is amazing when you consider that the demolition of the towers was a catastrophic event that melted structural steel designed to withstand a Hellish temperature of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, incinerated both planes’ cockpit recorders and black-box recorders, and vaporized the flesh and bones of nearly 3,000 human beings, but yet the passport survived without even a blemish or wrinkle.

Then there is the miracle of the discovery of a flight manual in Arabic and a copy of the Koran in a car hired by Mohammed Atta and abandoned at Boston airport.

Seriously this could be out of an episode of "Secret Squirrel" or maybe "Get Smart".  But it doesn't stop there.  We are really asked to believe that reality stopped temporarily on the morning of 9.11.01 and was replaced by a sort of cartoon world where a plane with a wingspan of 144ft can fit into a hole 16ft across.  Does anyone seriously, genuinely believe this or do they think that the media just exaggerates things?

After all no one I've spoken to about this who dismisses all questions as "outrageous conspiracy theories" will attempt to address these issues, the best anyone can come up with is "I believe it because it happened the way they said it did, and that is that" and then they block their ears and sing.

Any thoughts?

[knobster]

The first totally unbelievable point was the "miracle" of Mohommed Atta's amazing fireproof passport that somehow escaped perfectly intact from the fireball and amid the blizzard of paper reigning down from the towers, came fluttering to the ground to be picked up by a passerby who was completely oblivious to danger of standing there looking at what was written on papers.

Was this Atta's only passport?  If one were to claim their passport was stolen they would then be issued a new one.  Still, it is amazing that this was found amid all the chaos.

Then there is the miracle of the discovery of a flight manual in Arabic and a copy of the Koran in a car hired by Mohammed Atta and abandoned at Boston airport.

Why is this a miracle?  Flights were grounded for days after 9/11 so wouldn't the airport parking lots start to empty?  Having Atta's passport would lead authorities to his car rather quickly so if we prove the passport was a 'plant' then that leads to the car...

We are really asked to believe that reality stopped temporarily on the morning of 9.11.01 and was replaced by a sort of cartoon world where a plane with a wingspan of 144ft can fit into a hole 16ft across.

I'm not sure what you mean by this statement.  What hole was 16ft across?

I believed the story told me about 9/11 but there are bits of doubt starting to sink in.  Things that make you go 'hmmm...'.

[Kregener]

Atta's singed passport on the street is where the whole evil affair Jumped The Shark for me.

[mouse]

The first totally unbelievable point was the "miracle" of Mohommed Atta's amazing fireproof passport that somehow escaped perfectly intact from the fireball and amid the blizzard of paper reigning down from the towers, came fluttering to the ground to be picked up by a passerby who was completely oblivious to danger of standing there looking at what was written on papers.

Was this Atta's only passport?  If one were to claim their passport was stolen they would then be issued a new one.  Still, it is amazing that this was found amid all the chaos.

The entire point is that it was claimed that a passport (attributed to M Atta, but then it doesn't matter whose name was on it) was found amongst all the other paper that fluttered down, on that day.  It is more than amazing, it utterly incredible, unbelievable.  Consider that apparently this passport survived raging fires hot enough to melt structural steel designed to resist temperatures of 2000 degrees F., vapourised flesh and bones of nearly 3000 people and incinerated absolutely everything in its wake, and yet a paper passport survived this.  Not only that but it somehow managed to escape from its owner's pocket (it is pretty unlikely that he was flying the plane with the passport sitting on his knee waiting for an opportune wind to blow it to the ground just before the plane entered the building).  Even if it was "stolen" this still doesn't explain its amazing fireproof properties.

Then there is the miracle of the discovery of a flight manual in Arabic and a copy of the Koran in a car hired by Mohammed Atta and abandoned at Boston airport.

Why is this a miracle?  Flights were grounded for days after 9/11 so wouldn't the airport parking lots start to empty?  Having Atta's passport would lead authorities to his car rather quickly so if we prove the passport was a 'plant' then that leads to the car...

What is amazing about this is that a car rented by M Atta was there at all.  Here's a quote from the "9.11 commision report":  (Mohamed) Atta and (Abdulaziz) Alomari boarded a 6:00 a.m. flight from Portland to Boston's Logan International Airport. [SFGate]
A Mitsubishi sedan [Atta] rented was found at Boston's Logan Airport. Arabic language materials were found in the car. [CNN]  So How did Atta leave a rental car at Logan Airport in Boston when he supposedly flew there from Portland, Maine?

Another quote from the "9.11 commission report" says:  [Atta] rented a car at Logan Airport Alamo and drove to Maine [on September 10]. Then flew down from Portland, Maine, early Tuesday before connecting on Flight 11.  Now Why would Atta leave a rental car containing incriminating evidence at Logan Airport, rent another car in Boston to drive to Maine, then fly back to Boston again?

We are really asked to believe that reality stopped temporarily on the morning of 9.11.01 and was replaced by a sort of cartoon world where a plane with a wingspan of 144ft can fit into a hole 16ft across.

I'm not sure what you mean by this statement.  What hole was 16ft across?

Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?"

I believed the story told me about 9/11 but there are bits of doubt starting to sink in.  Things that make you go 'hmmm...'.   Like maybe all of it?

How about going "hmmm I wonder how the concrete from the twin towers was pulverised to a fine powder "by fire", when logic dictates that that just cannot ever happen, does not ever happen and the only way (that I can think of anyway) to pulverise concrete to powder is to grind it painstakingly in a "grinder" or explosions would do it.

How about the fact that it is physically impossible that the top of a building pass through the concrete and steel that comprises the lower portion of the building (or through any other building for that matter) at the same rate that it falls through air. The fact that the towers collapsed in 8-10 seconds is a statement that the upper portion of each of the towers passed through the lower portion at about the same rate that it would have fallen through air. The fact that the towers fell this quickly (essentially at the rate of free-fall) is conclusive evidence that they were deliberately demolished.

The fact that they fell at such a rate means that they encountered essentially no resistance from the supposedly undamaged parts of the structure. That is, no resistance was encountered from any of the immensely strong parts of the structure that had held the building up for the last 30 years. From this it can be concluded that the lower "undamaged" parts were actually very damaged (probably by the detonation of a multitude of small explosive charges as in a controlled demolition).

[mouse]

Atta's singed passport on the street is where the whole evil affair Jumped The Shark for me.

I didn't even realise that it was "singed", everything I've read on it says that it was found perfectly intact and not even slightly damaged.

I really hate to see people who seem to be rational intelligent people normally, accepting these preposterous tales about "terrorists attacking on 9.11".  It is like the story out of NZ in late 2002 (maybe I am assuming too much and you don't know what I am talking about) of the "taniwha" (or swamp monster) halting development on a motorway by the Waikato river.  Several people claimed to believe in the "taniwha" but I don't think anybody actually did believe it.  However, it must have made NZers sound like a bunch of complete plonkers, to anyone who read this story.

It would be one thing if some group or other (or whoever - I still haven't worked that out, and I don't think I can either) perpetrated this "false flag" scenario IF they came up with a plausible story to sell it to people, but this "official story" is so "full of holes" it gives the impression that "they" (whoever "they" are) really didn't try very hard.

[Junker]

Govts everywhere need restraint by the people™. Govts show little
to no self restraint, rather continuous expansion, to the destruction of
the involved culture. That observation doesn't require any input from
the 9-11 farce.


And...  Wikipedia- Taniwha:

...

Modern controversy

...
In 2002, Ngāti Naho, a Māori tribe from the Meremere district, successfully ensured
that part of the country's major highway, State Highway 1, be rerouted in order to
protect the abode of their legendary protector.
...
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[mouse]

Govts everywhere need restraint by the people™. Govts show little
to no self restraint, rather continuous expansion, to the destruction of
the involved culture. That observation doesn't require any input from
the 9-11 farce.


And...  Wikipedia- Taniwha:

...

Modern controversy

...
In 2002, Ngāti Naho, a Māori tribe from the Meremere district, successfully ensured
that part of the country's major highway, State Highway 1, be rerouted in order to
protect the abode of their legendary protector.
...
[/list]

Well in a way this IS the people forcing restraints on government.  It seems governments only understand fantasy scenarios, so they did force government to re-route the highway, even if the taxpayer had to pay for it.

Funny how the government can only be forced to bend to the will of the people for the most questionable of reasons.

(BTW do you want a taniwha for a swamp near you?  Just contact the NZ embassy and I'm sure that can be arranged for a suitable sum.  Afterall it WOULD be the ultimate in conservation).

[knobster]

How about the fact that it is physically impossible that the top of a building pass through the concrete and steel that comprises the lower portion of the building (or through any other building for that matter) at the same rate that it falls through air. The fact that the towers collapsed in 8-10 seconds is a statement that the upper portion of each of the towers passed through the lower portion at about the same rate that it would have fallen through air. The fact that the towers fell this quickly (essentially at the rate of free-fall) is conclusive evidence that they were deliberately demolished.

The fact that they fell at such a rate means that they encountered essentially no resistance from the supposedly undamaged parts of the structure. That is, no resistance was encountered from any of the immensely strong parts of the structure that had held the building up for the last 30 years. From this it can be concluded that the lower "undamaged" parts were actually very damaged (probably by the detonation of a multitude of small explosive charges as in a controlled demolition).

Very interesting...  I just watched a video of the north tower collapsing and it does appear that dirt/dust is blowing out the windows at the lower levels as the tower is coming down.  Is this being pushed out by the collapse above or is this from demolitions?  Ponderous indeed.

[mouse]

How about the fact that it is physically impossible that the top of a building pass through the concrete and steel that comprises the lower portion of the building (or through any other building for that matter) at the same rate that it falls through air. The fact that the towers collapsed in 8-10 seconds is a statement that the upper portion of each of the towers passed through the lower portion at about the same rate that it would have fallen through air. The fact that the towers fell this quickly (essentially at the rate of free-fall) is conclusive evidence that they were deliberately demolished.

The fact that they fell at such a rate means that they encountered essentially no resistance from the supposedly undamaged parts of the structure. That is, no resistance was encountered from any of the immensely strong parts of the structure that had held the building up for the last 30 years. From this it can be concluded that the lower "undamaged" parts were actually very damaged (probably by the detonation of a multitude of small explosive charges as in a controlled demolition).

Very interesting...  I just watched a video of the north tower collapsing and it does appear that dirt/dust is blowing out the windows at the lower levels as the tower is coming down.  Is this being pushed out by the collapse above or is this from demolitions?  Ponderous indeed.

For the dir/dust to blow out the windows at the lower levels of the tower it would indicate that the lower levels are very weak indeed and offer no resistance at all to the top of the building falling down upon them, we were lead to believe that the building was totally undamaged at the lower levels, so how could that be?

Somewhere (I think it is on the series of videos featuring Richard Gage) there is a film of one of the towers collapsing alongside a building set up by deliberate demolition charges also collapsing.  The similarities are amazing, in fact it practically identical.

[knobster]

Wow.  I followed a Richard Gage site to some video footage (2+ hour long video from a Steve Jones and David Keller) comparing the WTC collapses to other buildings being brought down by demolitions. 

Consider this poor gullible fool awakened...