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papabug

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Constitution Free Zone
« on: April 29, 2009, 03:07:05 PM »

Did you know that the UNITED STATES has a "Constitution FREE ZONE"? If you live within 100 miles of ANY border you live in a "CONSTITUTION FREE ZONE" this includes ANY border even if it's the ocean.

Fact Sheet

The problem

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      Normally under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the American people are not generally subject to random and arbitrary stops and searches.
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      The border, however, has always been an exception.  There, the longstanding view is that the normal rules do not apply.  For example the authorities do not need a warrant or probable cause to conduct a “routine search.”
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      But what is “the border”?  According to the government, it  is a 100-mile wide strip that wraps around the “external boundary” of the United States.
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      As a result of this claimed authority, individuals who are far away from the border, American citizens traveling from one place in America to another, are being stopped and harassed in ways that our Constitution does not permit.
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      Border Patrol has been setting up checkpoints inland — on highways in states such as California, Texas and Arizona, and at ferry terminals in Washington State. Typically, the agents ask drivers and passengers about their citizenship.  Unfortunately, our courts so far have permitted these kinds of checkpoints – legally speaking, they are “administrative” stops that are permitted only for the specific purpose of protecting the nation’s borders. They cannot become general drug-search or other law enforcement efforts.
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      However, these stops by Border Patrol agents are not remaining confined to that border security purpose.  On the roads of California and elsewhere in the nation – places far removed from the actual border – agents are stopping, interrogating, and searching Americans on an everyday basis with absolutely no suspicion of wrongdoing.
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      The bottom line is that the extraordinary authorities that the government possesses at the border are spilling into regular American streets. 

Much of U.S. population affected

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      Many Americans and Washington policymakers believe that this is a problem confined to the San Diego-Tijuana border or the dusty sands of Arizona or Texas, but these powers stretch far inland across the United States.
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      To calculate what proportion of the U.S. population is affected by these powers, the ACLU created a map and spreadsheet showing the population and population centers that lie within 100 miles of any “external boundary” of the United States.
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      The population estimates were calculated by examining the most recent US census numbers for all counties within 100 miles of these borders.  Using numbers from the Population Distribution Branch of the US Census Bureau, we were able to estimate both the total number and a state-by-state population breakdown.  The custom map was created with help from a map expert at World Sites Atlas.
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      What they found is that fully TWO-THIRDS of the United States’ population lives within this Constitution-free or Constitution-lite Zone.   That’s 197.4 million people who live within 100 miles of the US land and coastal borders.
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      Nine of the top 10 largest metropolitan areas as determined by the 2000 census, fall within the Constitution-free Zone.  (The only exception is #9, Dallas-Fort Worth. )  Some states are considered to lie completely within the zone:  Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont.

Part of a broader problem

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      The spread of border-search powers inland is part of a broad expansion of border powers with the potential to affect the lives of ordinary Americans who have never left their own country.
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      It coincides with the development of numerous border technologies, including watch list and database systems such as the Automated Targeting System (ATS) traveler risk assessment program, identity and tracking systems such as electronic (RFID) passports, the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI), and intrusive technological schemes such as the Secure Border Initiative Network (SBINet) or “virtual border fence” and unmanned aerial vehicles (aka “drone aircraft”).
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      This illegitimate expansion of the extraordinary powers of agents at the border is also part of a general trend we have seen over the past 8 years of an untrammeled, heedless expansion of police and national security powers without regard to the effect on innocent Americans.
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      This trend is also typical of the Bush Administration’s dragnet approach to law enforcement and national security.  Instead of intelligent, competent, targeted efforts to stop terrorism, illegal immigration, and other crimes, what we have been seeing in area after area is an approach that turns us all into suspects. This approach seeks to sift through the entire U.S. population in the hopes of encountering the rare individual whom the authorities have a legitimate interest in. 

If the current generation of Americans does not challenge this creeping (and sometimes galloping) expansion of federal powers over the individual through the rationale of “border protection,” we are not doing our part to keep alive the rights and freedoms that we inherited, and will soon find that we have lost some or all of their right to go about their business, and travel around inside their own country, without interference from the authorities.

cut/paste: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=3523
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http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=3523

I urge you to call on Congress to hold hearings on and pass legislation to end these egregious violations of Americans' civil rights.




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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 11:14:07 PM »

Being in Michigan, our entire state is within this zone!  We don't have checkpoints like AZ but we do have drones patrolling the skies.  Land of the free*


*With drones(so far, without hellfires)

Peace
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livinright

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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 03:07:12 AM »

Being in Michigan, our entire state is within this zone!  We don't have checkpoints like AZ but we do have drones patrolling the skies.  Land of the free*


*With drones(so far, without hellfires)

Peace

Hey break 24, I'm in Michigan too. I've said lately that the constitution free zone puts us right in affect with secession. Yet, I don't know that anyone really knows what to do with it here....and this is a really hard state to convince against "government", especially where I live. What do you think?

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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 04:14:39 PM »

I don't like drones, that I'm sure of!  Haven't given the secession idea too much thought but it does seem to be on the mind of some folks.  It would be nice to keep most of the country intact though that may not be possible.  We have the water, manufacturing ability, the fertile soil and the like but I'd prefer, at this point, to see the people in Michigan flex Constitutional muscle first- 9th and 10th amendments.  The time may well be coming soon when we have to seriously consider such a move.  What kind of government would spring up?  The problem with government as I see it, is that no matter how well intentioned it claims to be, it's the same old process of tyranny.  I have to respect those who've been in the trenches standing up for liberty over many years.  I try not to rely on any state or organized movement.

Maybe an awareness campaign is in order around Michigan.  I see good things happening too, don't get me wrong.  People are preparing to take care of their families and neighbors in ways that haven't been seen in decades. 

Peace and nice to chat with you livinright :)
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livinright

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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 04:59:17 PM »

Indeed. You're right, who know's where it would go. There are a few organized awareness campaigns, and some "disorganized" ones. I guess all of it will just take time. Lots of time.....

I've seen good things too, and some really scary things. Guess I'm just letting that get to me right now.

Thanks break24. Nice to chat with you too.

Peace and smiles

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break24

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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 11:25:21 PM »

I think ultimately, it'll come down to preparing friends and family- you and yours- to survive.  We really are at that "awkward stage"  (as one of the great authors once said.) We have been for many, many years but the technology has changed dramatically. The kind of tyranny we face today is the same as always but the ability to systematically carry it out is much greater. I believe that true freedom is within the mind and heart.  While we are around this planet, we can do our best to make life better for folks and fight hard to resist tyranny locally, and nationwide.  The people I talk to in State government are scared to death about what's going to go down in Michigan but they cling to that old familiar tune of corruption and left/right paradigm politics.  The power we have in the groups I'm involved with do so much more than running for office, legislating, or giving speeches to followers ever would.  What I do know for sure is that my family and my friends will fight until we are dead for the liberty of our children.  Hopefully, some good seeds are planted here and there for the future so that a new forest has a chance to grow. 

It may take time, but keeping at it is important.  We can all make a difference in the cause of liberty.  We can tell stories, paint pictures, organize real grassroots resistance in ways that can't be infiltrated, provide opportunities for folks to expand their reach, teach, and learn.  It's the eternal struggle, but I'm living now, so I fight for freedom and happiness now.

Connecting each group who shares your values and sense of liberty may be what pushes the State monster back, if only for a moment.  That moment can be used to expand the base of liberty.

It's more than a a few news article posts, IMO.  I come here because people have wisdom.  Some folks here are doing great things for liberty all over the country.

I get windy sometimes.  Post-911, it's more important than ever to fight.  I'll leave it at that. 

Peace, Smiles, and Strength

Edited to close a space ;)
« Last Edit: May 08, 2009, 04:47:46 AM by break24 »
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livinright

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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 11:43:47 PM »

Well, if that's how you sound when your windy....

You can get windy anytime....IMO. I like your style. Glad you're in my state. Nice to know we have people like you here. Gives me some hope somehow.

Thank you

And indeed, Peace, smiles and strength to you and yours

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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2009, 07:50:36 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSrge5hZ1Cw

Sure! It's in the right thread now :)

livinright

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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2009, 08:24:01 AM »

Looking forward to this one!! Like I said, you make a MA proud *wink*

Go get 'em Olin! Tell the gang I say hey!

Peace
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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2009, 11:16:11 PM »

We know already DHS is conducting checkpoints miles away from any border in the southwest and California. There is no "law" from my research but it's being justified and no federal court has taken it on in any satisfactory way.  Some things that stood out in the ACLU's commentary:

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As a result of this claimed authority, individuals who are far away from the border, American citizens traveling from one place in America to another, are being stopped and harassed in ways that our Constitution does not permit.

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Unfortunately, our courts so far have permitted these kinds of checkpoints – legally speaking, they are “administrative” stops

More information and videos of these checkpoints that make the Constitution Free Zones a sad reality:

https://www.checkpointusa.org/

Roadblock revelations:

https://www.checkpointusa.org/blog/

All kinds of video documenting what's happening on our inland roads:

http://www.youtube.com/user/CheckpointUSA

If someone can find the law, let us know.  I'm well aware of Supreme Court decisions- it can be argued that the entire country is a "Constitution Free Zone."  Since I'm in Michigan too, I'd like to know what law or court case says that driving down Woodward, Grand River, or I-696* at 3pm on a Tuesday is grounds for being stopped and harassed at an immigration checkpoint like the gentleman in the videos above shows...Papers, Please!

Peace and Liberty!

*Roads and Interstate in Metropolitan Detroit- Woodward is a state highway and basically runs from the Detroit River(border with Canada) through the inner central suburbs.  It, BTW, was also the first paved road in the US! (1909) ;)

« Last Edit: May 28, 2009, 04:59:11 PM by OOSpool »
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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009, 09:11:04 PM »

SO if it is constitution free zone, then can't you argue  you don't have to follow any law. If the COnstitution is the law of the land of the USA and It is a Constitution Free zone, Why can"t it be law of the jungle? I bet the jack booted thugs wouldn't like what would happen.
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livinright

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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 12:14:42 AM »

SO if it is constitution free zone, then can't you argue  you don't have to follow any law. If the COnstitution is the law of the land of the USA and It is a Constitution Free zone, Why can"t it be law of the jungle? I bet the jack booted thugs wouldn't like what would happen.

Well, that's what some of them there videos is all about.

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Re: Constitution Free Zone
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2009, 02:14:02 PM »

hahha, oops. I had not watched them yet
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