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Topic: Holbrook Garand rifle thumb saver (Read 1771 times)
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vlad
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the thumb saver is $45.00 postpaid
please send postal money order
John Holbrook
2015 24th St #57
Bellingham WA 98225
john.holbook@comcast.net
see Boston's Gun Bible page 11/30
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The Device is a replacement for the GI op rod catch and it stops automatic bolt release when loading a clip. It also prevents auto clip ejection when the last round is fired.
With it installed, the Garand operates much like the M-14/M1A. When a full clip is inserted into the receiver it will latch, however you must pull and release the bolt handle to charge the top round. It will operate in the normal manner until the last round is fired and the
bolt will lock open but the clip will not eject. To eject the clip you must push the eject button on the receiver...
With an empty clip latched in the receiver, single rounds can be loaded into the clip, 1 through 8. when you have as many as you wish, just pull and release and away you go.......
The rifle is not modified and can be converted back to GI by replacing the Device with the original catch.
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I received the Holbrook thumb saver, and promptly installed it in my Garand. It works exactly as described. I am delighted.
So long as the army supplies you with unlimited ammo it does not matter if the enbloc clips fly away never to be found.
The unreconstructed diehard resister/survivor skulking in the mesquite thickets will appreciate the Holbrook device. It allows him to remove the empty clip and keep it for reloading. That's good because he may not be able to find any more of them.
I was a rifleman in First Platoon Co B 27th Wolfhounds Sep 50 to Sep 51 in Korean War One. The rumor that the enemy waits to hear the PING of the ejected enbloc clip to charge your position is utter horseshit.
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And here I was doing it the hard way. I just hook my left hand around the back of the receiver, my thumb over bolt handle, and hold it (actually, pull back a little) while inserting a clip. The clip still latches and the bolt stays back until I tell it otherwise, but it doesn't cost any money. Then again, the clip still pings out when I fire the last shot doing it this way.
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...and I chose the third path ... learn from folks who understood John C's rifle.
It works fine as delivered ... actually, I learned to like it just as is and wouldn't want to remove the auto-eject feature. I admit to having enough clips that I can afford to lose quite a few without noticing. Proper technique prevents "Garand Thumb" while making reloading quick and efficient. I'm probably not as fast and confident as guys who shot them in the service, but I'm close enough.
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I chased the link as far as the first entry - the survivalblog one. At the bottom it mentioned one of my least favorite urban legends, the one where the "ping" of my ejecting Garand clip causes my enemy to jump out from behind his cover and charge me from 200 yards away in the 1.2 seconds it takes me to reload. Lotta guys are going to die realizing the reloading time lapse was a bad rumor.
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How many folks have been to a night club lately? Drop a clip on the floor, how close do you have to be to hear it? I suspect that a firefight is going to have a similar problem. If he is close enough to hear that clip hit, and charge to contact before you reload, use the club in your hands. (a solid butt stroke would tend to calm him down too. (Learn Gun Fu from 300 yards down to wrastling for your weapon)
Take a look at defendo.com/defendo_web_site.htm or anything about Krav-Maga. You will lose your rifle/pistol if you let someone with a bit of training get to close. try playing "Keep/Take away" with a good cap pistol that uses those plastic caps. Freeze when the thing goes bang, look where the barrel is pointing......highly educational.
A beer story: A couple of SEAL/ Recon marine types were telling me some stories over beer about using sim-munition to train weapon handling at CQB distances......... I seriously believe they were creating a legend, sim-munition would probably be highly injurious at that kind of range. (basically a blank load with just enough oomph to work the action and squirt a wax/paintball round out the barrel) Even blanks would be highly harmful at hand to hand range- gasses from the powder and such.
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........Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side, a darkside and holds the universe together. It is theoretically reinforced with strings too. (The dome has a darkside, lightside and strings of rebar for reinforcement too!)
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I've gotta jump on the bandwagon here - I think the Holbrook mod would great on a target rifle, but not desirable on a fighting rifle.
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"O this I have read in a book," he said, "and that was told to me,
"And this I have thought that another man thought of a Prince in Muscovy."
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is your objection that the Holbrook device prevents the Garand from ejecting the empty clip when the last round is fired?
what about the other guns that do not eject the mag when the last round is fired? are they suitable for target but not for combat?
M16
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Ian
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If you want an M1 for a fighting rifle, what advantage is there in changing to manual clip ejection? Having it done automatically takes a step out of your reloading procedure, speeding it up. And my M1, at least, doesn't throw clips very far - I have no problem finding them on the practice range. If I'm actually in a fight, I wouldn't be worried to leave a handful behind on the ground; they're cheap enough that I've already bought a whole lot.
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And Tomlinson took up the tale and spoke of his good in life.
"O this I have read in a book," he said, "and that was told to me,
"And this I have thought that another man thought of a Prince in Muscovy."
The good souls flocked like homing doves and bade him clear the path,
And Peter twirled the jangling Keys in weariness and wrath.
"Ye have read, ye have heard, ye have thought," he said, "and the tale is yet to run:
"By the worth of the body that once ye had, give answer—what ha' ye done?"
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+1 Buctoo,In a gunfight,I would prefer the Garand to function as normal. Punching paper would be a different thing all together. Ought 7.
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In another post, I mentioned a recent 3-gun match I competed in. One of the "competition" was using one of these doohickeys, or something similar. He's not a tyro with an M1, I can remember shooting with him 20 years ago. And he was reasonably fast, but "target-fast" just isn't the same thing as "combat-fast." He just couldn't shoot fast enough to get the required number of shots on target in the time available.
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I see John Holbrook fairly often at the WAC shows in Puyallup. He's demonstrated that Garand mod to me, because I mentioned my Garand. He made it clear that it's to make life easier on the range. And he reminded me the rifle can be changed back to stock; there's no machining.
John slowed down a bit after his stroke, but he's come back pretty well and his speech is almost like it was.
Around the show, John is sometimes known as "Mr. 1911." He has a very impressive display of 1911's and provenance. This is the guy who will count grooves on the mainspring housing of your Union Switch & Signal 1911 and tell you if it's the correct part. I saw one that he will not offer for sale: In 1968, during Tet, John was rescuing another Marine, a wounded officer, when he was attacked at close range by three AK-armed NVA. He drew that 1911 with his free hand and stopped them.
That's a Man.
That's a fighting pistol.
My gun show buddy who died last year was a 6th Marines WWII Vet, Pacific Theater. He said they'd sometimes make a point of letting the clips fly out onto the rocks, the lull suggesting the Garands were running dry. They tell the BAR man, "hold on, we'll have customers for you as soon as they charge." I sure miss him. In 1985, he did some metal detecting and found a 1911 on the beach in Okinawa, that had been dropped when the troops went ashore in 1945 (three rounds in magazine, hammer back). He managed to get it home, then went to work on it. When I saw it, the pistol looked horrible, but it functioned. New barrel and small parts, but original frame and slide.
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Well, in the first place an armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. For me, politeness is a sine qua non of civilization.
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