The Mental Militia Forums

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

A welcome from Elias for all new members!

Pages: 1 2 [3] 4   Go Down

Author Topic: SSN for my baby...  (Read 6709 times)

amagi

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 688
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2012, 01:17:48 am »

Home birth is getting more popular but it went from 1% to 5%.  Most Americans never even consider not going to the hospital.  They have been frightened into thinking that something WILL go wrong and want to be in the hospital.  Once there they are subjected to many interventions "just in case". These cause complications leading to more interventions etc..  The US c-section rate is around 30% last I heard.  That is outrageous.  The best midwife I ever heard of has a complication rate of just 2%.  That is including congenital birth defects.

Uninsured people go on welfare.  The hospital is required by law to not turn away any medical emergency or woman in labor.  In the hospital where I volunteer there is a sign in every room stating this.  In MN  the state picks up the bill. I have no idea how other states handle it.
Logged
"I also find myself on fairly firm ground identifying good and evil without resorting to my opinion of God's opinion"
LJer Tigertoy

MamaLiberty

  • It's not that people are dumber, it's that stupidity used to be more painful.
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 20505
  • Individual Sovereign/ Personal responsibility
    • The Price of Liberty
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2012, 06:33:06 am »

Mouse, there is no doubt whatsoever that a home birth, with a competent midwife, is the ideal. It is simply terribly complicated in most places by the same government insanity of "licenses" and regulations as most anything else we wish to do here, but especially anything to do with medicine. The nationwide tendency to file a lawsuit at the drop of a hat is the frosting on that particular pile of crap.

So, your idea of a "libertarian" based birthing clinic or home birth company would simply never be allowed to operate here, wonderful as the idea really is. Even efforts to do that "underground" would be in constant danger of some customer becoming unhappy with them and "turning them in."

It's just not going to happen much in the current police state, unfortunately.
Logged
But, in the end, I live and therefore I am. I don't need any other person's permission to live or defend myself. I don't need anyone's vetting of my intentions or sanity, nor approval for the self defense tool I choose or how I carry it.

I don't NEED to explain myself. I don't NEED any reasons at all.

mouse

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5300
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2012, 08:45:15 pm »

Well there definitely needs to be a contingency plan for births.  When TEOTWAWKI occurs, there will be no hospitals to rush to, few doctors practicing (and those who are there will concerned with other medical emergencies - I am not trying to trivialise birthing, but then it is not a "medical procedure", it is just a natural occurence), and there will be FORTUNATELY NO bureaucrats to make everyone's life a major hurdle and enslave the baby as soon as it is born.

People here have been making plans to self medicate themselves, and to deal with accidents that injure them, so why not learn to deliver babies and look after newborns.

We really need to go back to the "pioneering spirit".

I was helping out an old woman in our neighbourhood a while back and she was telling me about her family.  She had one son born about five minutes prior to WWII and then two more born in the 1950s.  She was saying that during WWII all medical services for women were seen as very low priority and just about everything else came before it.  Something had gone wrong with her first son's birth and she was unable to carry more children until it was repaired in about 1952.

I guess TEOTWAWKI will be sort of like that, but there will no be magical "end" when everything can be repaired.



Modifed to fix typo
« Last Edit: January 02, 2012, 08:51:21 pm by mouse »
Logged

Moonbeam

  • Faith Hope Love
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3045
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2012, 04:41:51 pm »

I had considered a home birth, but ultimately felt more comfortable with a hospital delivery. The twins were both breech and there was no way for twin "A" to turn around. Like others have mentioned, some nurses are in the wrong business and others are angels. I ended up with a c-section, and that could be debated by people smarter than me whether or not it was warranted. I loved my OB/GYN, I was as educated as I possibly could have been at the time, and I do not regret having a c-section at the hospital. Now there are some other things I wish I would have done differently during that time. The pregnancy, delivery and hormones left me utterly exhausted and mentally weary. All in all, I'm glad that I had access to the a wonderful hospital, OB and health insurance.

As for the social security, I do wish I had my wits about me to reject the automatic paperwork...
Logged
I'm not where I want to be, but I'm better than where I was!

Freedom is not being able to do what you want to do; freedom is being able to NOT do what you don't want to do.

"We must not amuse ourselves with the notion that we have done something when we have only formed a good resolution. Power comes by doing and not by resolving." Charlotte Mason

"Don't hurt people and don't take their stuff." Courtesy of FreedomWorks

cz7

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 58
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2012, 10:07:51 pm »

Colin Powell apparently let the truth slip during a Fox News interview in 2001:

[Colin Powell] – “Finding the Russian scientists may be a problem being that Russia does not have a Social Security System, as here in America, that allows us to MONITOR, TRACK DOWN and CAPTURE an American citizen.” s.s is a rouge and wolf in sheep skin ...we need to find ways and means to undo this nightmare because of this mark of the beast goes too far ...
Logged
"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford ! when a nation turns on it's own and denies it's own founding culture ,this is a sign of the death pangs of a nation --- cz7

MamaLiberty

  • It's not that people are dumber, it's that stupidity used to be more painful.
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 20505
  • Individual Sovereign/ Personal responsibility
    • The Price of Liberty
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2012, 07:24:36 am »

this mark of the beast goes too far ...

Too far? As opposed to?

How far is far enough? The whole thing is an abomination. I want no part of it.
Logged
But, in the end, I live and therefore I am. I don't need any other person's permission to live or defend myself. I don't need anyone's vetting of my intentions or sanity, nor approval for the self defense tool I choose or how I carry it.

I don't NEED to explain myself. I don't NEED any reasons at all.

MeyerLemon

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 134
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2012, 02:33:21 am »

Just out of curiosity, how does that work without a SSN when you go to get a job? Everywhere I have worked has required a copy of my Social Security Card, and when I lost the original one I had to get another one sent out when I switched firms.

Is there a way around this? I know my cousins somehow didn't have SSNs until they were about 15. I don't know how that happened, it wasn't intentional, but the whole thing came unraveled when they went to get jobs.
Logged

Destin Faruda

  • Opinion Lord
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2030
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2012, 03:01:40 am »

Plenty of black market work out there.  And thanks to all those tyrannical shitmonkeys, there'll always be more on the horizon.
Logged
"Time to beat those plowshares back into swords."  Robert Anson Heinlein
-------
"It'd be utterly ridiculous for him to be in the storyline - he doesn't belong there. He's not a God, he just kills them for a living. :P" ~ Draaza
-------
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you.

mouse

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5300
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2012, 06:12:09 am »

Here's where I show total ignorance of the American system, and I'm not being sarcastic, just fishing for information.

In America you need an SSN to work, right?  But I gather it is a city thing.  I mean Armish people don't have SSNs, do they?  Farmers do not have to have SSNs, do they?  If you are self employed (there's a tremendous lot of people who are self employed) or unemployed for life (maybe you are disabled) you wouldn't need an SSN, would you?  And you wouldn't need an SSN if you are going to be a housewife all your life, right?

You don't need an SSN to open or operate a bank account, right?  (I seem to remember reading somewhere, can't remember where, that "it speeds things up, but isn't absolutely necessary")

You do not need the SSN to buy or sell, do you?

Do you need to have an SSN to get a passport or driver licence?  If so, why?  I always thought it was about "paying taxes", that's all.
Logged

MamaLiberty

  • It's not that people are dumber, it's that stupidity used to be more painful.
  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 20505
  • Individual Sovereign/ Personal responsibility
    • The Price of Liberty
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2012, 07:43:27 am »

I always thought it was about "paying taxes", that's all.

It was supposed to be, but hasn't been for a long time now. Yes, you must give an SS number to get a driver's license most places. You must show one to open a bank account. Those who are self employed still need one, as well as a special tax number because they must pay both halves of the medicare tax, as well as make quarterly reports and pay part of the expected yearly income tax. And on and on. If you go far enough underground, you can live without one of course. I've known a few people who did. But life is extremely limited in some ways. A matter of priorities.
Logged
But, in the end, I live and therefore I am. I don't need any other person's permission to live or defend myself. I don't need anyone's vetting of my intentions or sanity, nor approval for the self defense tool I choose or how I carry it.

I don't NEED to explain myself. I don't NEED any reasons at all.

casca-503

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 441
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2012, 08:15:36 am »

your   ssn   was  originally     not   to  be   used as a means of identfication.../...  when i tell that to some pompus beuracrat ....   they usually get nervous  & say they need it to  handle  my issue...problem...whatever...sometimes  i give  & other times  i just leave...   F...   'em  ......
Logged

Destin Faruda

  • Opinion Lord
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2030
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2012, 03:53:38 pm »

Actually the SSN is how you avoid the free market.  For example, for those who need whatever features and advantages a monthly rate contract cellphone offers, you have the option (say you go with Verizon, since they're the biggest) of paying 400 bucks depost, or giving them your SSN.  Needless to say they'll do their damndest to take the SSN so there must be some kind of kickbacks better than getting to keep and invest your 400 bucks and return it to you 2 years later when it isn't worth 200.

So basically for most private services, including banking (until recently with all this federal "anti terrorist" population control methods) you could simply setup an account where you had to put 1000 bucks in, and leave it in or somesuch.  Basically short of closing the account you couldn't get it back (to cover overdrawing, supposedly.)  So it was inconvenient in those days but it could be done.  Now, some of the small banks still do it, here and there, but the big banks are SSN, TaxID (TID) or tough shit.  Try telling them you live on the road and don't feel like giving your house or garage address and they'll go apeshit.  In my case, that was often the case.

Most people can't or won't inconvenience themselves (been there too, don't worry) by saving up some cash or going with a prepaid.)  Sure, some of it is business related (you absolutely need your email account and such, from your 100.00/mo data plan smart phone or tablet) but even the tablets and smartphones can be prepaid now.  Which really just means you treat your comm device as one would a gun.  When you run out of minutes of service, you slot in a fresh mag, right?  Human laziness has come to the point where the government doesn't have to send jack boots to your house unless you insist on doing things for yourself.  The average American will chip himself, when the injectables come out just so hopefully someone ELSE will go through the trouble to chew his food and top off his fuel tank.  That's all there is to it.  SSN is worthless to TPTB if you refuse to use it as much as possible. 

Just remember the hilarious words of the 3 Dead Trolls Privacy Song (youtube it): "For God's sakes lie!... Lie lie lie lie...."


Edit: sure thing casca, just don't forget that you're asking for so called "privileges" (right of travel is now "driving privilege") so you're "volunteering" that number in exchange for an "unnecessary privilege," turn over your drivers license and you'll notice that it has a commercial classification now, regular drivers are all Class C with Trailer, no airbrakes, and commercial guys can be A (tractor trailer/combination vehicle) class B (bus, dump truck, etc) and C (everything else down to taxi, I believe.)  By declaring everything interstate commerce, they've used the very system their ancestors designed to lawyer everyone out of their rights and freedom.  (Remember, in the socialist clique, making a living IS a privilege, since they decide who lives and who dies.)  They're psychos, and psychos get orgasmic pleasure from controlling others by force or fraud... by "getting one over on someone."  They're scum, man, and you and I and a few others know it.  The masses don't, but hey, the classwork is accelerating fast these days.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2012, 03:58:11 pm by khyeron »
Logged
"Time to beat those plowshares back into swords."  Robert Anson Heinlein
-------
"It'd be utterly ridiculous for him to be in the storyline - he doesn't belong there. He's not a God, he just kills them for a living. :P" ~ Draaza
-------
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you.

qmikep

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2012, 04:06:50 pm »

Here's where I show total ignorance of the American system, and I'm not being sarcastic, just fishing for information.

In America you need an SSN to work, right?  But I gather it is a city thing.  I mean Armish people don't have SSNs, do they?  Farmers do not have to have SSNs, do they?  If you are self employed (there's a tremendous lot of people who are self employed) or unemployed for life (maybe you are disabled) you wouldn't need an SSN, would you?  And you wouldn't need an SSN if you are going to be a housewife all your life, right?

You don't need an SSN to open or operate a bank account, right?  (I seem to remember reading somewhere, can't remember where, that "it speeds things up, but isn't absolutely necessary")

You do not need the SSN to buy or sell, do you?

Do you need to have an SSN to get a passport or driver licence?  If so, why?  I always thought it was about "paying taxes", that's all.


You do not need a SSN to work.  Although you will have a hard time convincing a business that you are not required to fill out a W4, it can be done.  And there is always under the table work.

You can open a non interest checking account without a SSN, again though it’s going to be a bitch.

You can also get a passport without a SSN. But “they” will fight you kicking and screaming.

As far as a “drivers” license is concerned, you’ll probably have to use a SSN since “driving” a “motor vehicle” is a privileged commercial activity. However traveling about the common way in a motorized conveyance is not, but that’s a whole other issue itself.
Logged

Destin Faruda

  • Opinion Lord
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2030
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2012, 09:39:45 pm »

Quote
As far as a “drivers” license is concerned, you’ll probably have to use a SSN since “driving” a “motor vehicle” is a privileged commercial activity. However traveling about the common way in a motorized conveyance is not, but that’s a whole other issue itself.

Yeah, and you'll get kidnapped to a gaole until you can convince a judge of that.  Cops are required to be under 120 IQ, last I heard, probably lower now.  They need predator cunning, not full blown intelligence.
Logged
"Time to beat those plowshares back into swords."  Robert Anson Heinlein
-------
"It'd be utterly ridiculous for him to be in the storyline - he doesn't belong there. He's not a God, he just kills them for a living. :P" ~ Draaza
-------
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you.

PJ

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 206
Re: SSN for my baby...
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2012, 04:12:57 pm »

Actually the SSN is how you avoid the free market.  For example, for those who need whatever features and advantages a monthly rate contract cellphone offers, you have the option (say you go with Verizon, since they're the biggest) of paying 400 bucks depost, or giving them your SSN.  Needless to say they'll do their damndest to take the SSN so there must be some kind of kickbacks better than getting to keep and invest your 400 bucks and return it to you 2 years later when it isn't worth 200.
I always thought that cellphone companies wanted your SSN to run a credit check.  The $400 is in case you don't pay your bill.  That's another reason business/gov wants you to have a SSN.  Gotta track that credit.
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4   Go Up